speaker 1: bulletproof radio. a state of high performance
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Speaker1: BulletproofRadio.Astateofhighperformance.
DaveAsprey: You'regoingtolovelisteningthroughtotheendoftoday'sepisode.You'regoingtolearnsomethingaboutbonedensityyouprobablydon'tknowabout,howyoucanincreaseyourbonedensityinasmallamountoftime.You'llalsolearnsomethingsabouthowyourbodyputsonmuscle,andthisworkswhetheryou'reabodybuilderorwhetheryoujustwanttohaveadequatemusclemasswithoutalotofwork.Andattheveryendoftheshow,you'regoingtolearnanewwaytodopushupsthatcancompletelychangetheamountofmuscle,andtheamountofbenefityougetfromdoingit.It'sactuallyawaytocheatinapushupthatgivesyoumoremusclegrowth.AndifyoulistentoBulletproofRadio,youknowI'mallaboutsavingyoutime,andsavingyouenergy,andgettingmoreresultsfromlesseffort.You'relisteningtoatopexpertfrommultiplefieldsandeditorofmedicaljournalsinordertolearnthisstuff.It'safascinatingepisode.Listenthroughalltheway.You'llloveit.
You'relisteningtoBulletproofRadiowithDaveAsprey.Today'scoolfactofthedayisalittlebittroublesome.ItturnsoutthatkidsandteenagerswhotakestimulantdrugstotreatADHDcanhavelowerbonedensityasaresultofthat.AndasyouknowfromreadingHeadStrong,lowerbonedensityisaresultofchangesinmitochondrialfunction,aswellaschangesintheenvironmentalthing,liketheamountofloadthatyouhaveonyourbones.There'sanewresearchstudythatsaysthatpeoplewhohaveusedthesedrugsmightneedlifetimemonitoringofbonedensity,sothatyoucanseewhetherit'saffectingthem10,20,30yearslater.Theresearchershaven'tyetsaiddecisivelythatRitalinandamphetaminearetoblame,butthey'vedrawnaverystrongcorrelationthere,andthey'relookingtoseethatit'ssomethingthatisactuallycausation.
Sowhatdoesthismean?Ifyoudon'treallyneedthosestimulantdrugs,youmighttrysomethingelse.Thingslikechangingtheenvironmentaroundyousoyouhavemorecontrolofyourbiology.Wecallthatbiohacking,andI'veseenitworksowellforthousandsofpeoplewhohaveADHD,orlikeme,whohadAsperger'sandADD.Whenyougetenoughenergyinthebrain,it'lldowhatit'ssupposedtodo.It'sprettyamazing.Speakingofhavingyourbraindowhatit'ssupposedtodo,there'sabrandnewflavorofBulletproofFATwater.It'scalledBulletproofDragonFruitFATwater.Ifyouhaven'teverseenadragonfruit,that'sokay.Youprobablyhaveandyoudon'tknowit.AnytimeyouseealienseatingfruitonasciencefictionTVshow,it'salwaysadragonfruit.They'retheseincrediblyvibrant,tropicalfruitswithbrightpink.Itlookslikealienseedpodkindathings,andtheinsideiseitherapinkorawhitefleshthat'svaguelylikeakiwifruit.Very,verycoolthing.
Ifirsthadone,actually,inThailandonthesametripwhenIfirstdiscoveredyakbuttertea,whichledtothecreationofBulletproofCoffee.IwasreallyexcitedtoputthisintoFATwater,andyoucangetFATwaterontheBulletproofwebsite.ThisFATwaterhasbrainoctaneoilinmicrodroplets,soinsteadofusingsugartogetalittlebitofenergy,youdrinkthisstuff.Ittastesamazing,andyou'reusing
fatforfuelinsteadofsugar,andyoufeelreally,reallygood.There'safewBvitaminsinitthatalsocanhelpwithmitochondrialfunction.
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Today'sguestisafriend,aguyI'veknownforseveralyears,andtheguywhowasinspiredtodowhathedoesbecausehismomhadosteoporosis.Hefiguredoutsomebiochemistry,andlookedatwhathecoulddo,andendedupbecomingabiomedicalengineer,andhasdoneprofoundthingsthere.Ifyou'rewatchingthisonYouTube,youcangotobulletproof.com/YouTubetogetaquicklinktotheYouTubechanneltoseethis.You'llseethathe'skindof,Ithink,builtlikeabrick,somethingoranother,kindofasolid-lookingdude.Thatmightbebecausehe'sdonesomethingslikehackingmaletestosteroneoptimization.
TheguysitsontheBoardofDirectorsoftheAmericanBoneHealthInstitute,he'sontheeditorialboardoftheJournalofSteroidsandHormonalScience,andDiabetesOpen,andhe'sworkingonacouplereallycoolprojects,oneofwhichIwasthefirstpersontoeversee.SoIwanttosharesomeinterestingfactsaboutbones,muscles,hormones,andsomeotherthingslikethatthataregoingtobereally,reallyimpactfulandusefulforyou.Andalso,showyousomenewstuffthat'shappeningouttherethatcanmakeadifferenceforanyofthosedomainsofyourownhealthandwellness.HisnameisJohnJaquish.John,welcometotheshow.
JohnJaquish: Thanks,Dave.
DaveAsprey: Allright,John.We'vetalkedpersonallyaboutthis.Howdidyougetintoallofthisattheverybeginning?Tellmeaboutyourmom.
JohnJaquish: Well,itwas,yeah.Iwasyoung.Iwasanundergrad.Mymothercametomeandsaid,"I'vebeendiagnosedwithosteoporosis."SoIquicklyrealizedthisisadiseaseofdeconditioning.Anythingthat'sdeconditionedcanbecomereconditioned.SoIlookedintowhatresearchtherewasforpeoplewhowerebuildingsuperhumanbonedensity,whohadthemost,anditwasgymnasts.Itreallyhadtodowiththewaytheywouldimpacttheground.Anotherinterestingthingaboutgymnastics,fromaresearchperspective,isthatwecanseewhatagymnastdoes.Theirmovementpatternsastheystrikethegroundisveryrepeatable.Theyhavetodoitthesamewayeverytime,otherwisetheyinjure.Soverywell-practicedastheydothat.
SoIwantedtocreateadevicethatemulatedhighimpactforces.Soit'stheforcesgoingthroughthemuscularskeletalsystemthattriggertheeffect.SoIrealizedtellingmymothertobeagymnastwasn'ttherightthingtodo,but...Yeah,sheappreciatedthat,too.But,whatwewoulddoiscreateafixturewherepeoplecouldgetintothepositionstheywouldnaturallyabsorbbyimpactforce,andthenallowthemtoself-loadandgivethemcomputerizedbiofeedbackrightinfrontofthem,sotheyknowwheretheyareandwheretheywerethelasttimetheydidit.Therefore,ifanadaptationoccurredinthatparticularkineticchain,thattheywouldbeabletoproducemoreforce,showingagreaterleveloffunctionalboneperformance,becausethisisafunctionaltestofbone,andalsoastimulus.Sotheyactually,they'reabletoseethefunctionoftheirbonefromadecelerationperspective,andfromanactualperformanceandreal-worldperspective,astheyusedtheproductweek,afterweek,afterweek.
Mymotherreversedherosteoporosis,buthere'sthethingthatreallynailedithome,andnowI'mpartneredwithTonyRobbinsintheprojectthat'scalledOsteoStrong.There'sgoingtobeclinics.There'salready50clinicsintheUnitedStates,andthere'salreadyagreementsforhundredsmore,andwe'reexpandinginothercountries.Sowhatweknowaboutbone,andwhatbonereallyisintermsofmusculoskeletalhealth,ifyouhaveweakboneandyoufireamusclethat'sconnectedtothatweakboneinthatconnectchain,there'sgoingtobeneuralinhibitionbecauseyoucan'tengageamuscletosuchahighdegreewhereitwillbreakthebone.Yourcentralnervoussystemhasaprocesscalledneuralinhibition,you'vetalkedaboutitbefore.Neuralinhibitoryprocesseswillstopthebodyfromdamagingitself.Sobyraisingbonedensitytoahigherlevel,mylevelis+2,twostandarddeviationsabovenormal.Thatenablesmetohaveastrongerchassis,whichistakingawayalimitofmusclegrowth.
DaveAsprey: Soweakbonesequalssmallerandweakermuscles?
JohnJaquish: That'sright.
DaveAsprey: Andthat'sbecauseifyouhadstrongmusclesandweakbones,you'dbreakyourbones.
JohnJaquish: Right.
DaveAsprey: Makesalotofsense.
JohnJaquish: Right.Youcanusethat.Ilikeusinganautomobileanalogy.IfyoutakeaFormulaOneengineandputitinaHondaCivic,youwouldjustripthethingapart,justblowthewheelsrightoffofit.Yourcentralnervoussystemissmarterthanthepeoplewhodothatsortofthing,andputabigengineinaneconomycarbecauseit'stryingtokeepyouinhomeostasis.Butifyouputthebodyinanenvironmentwhereitischallenged,anextremeenvironment,thenthebody'sgoingtoseethatextremenessandmaketheadjustments.Therefore,theentiremusculoskeletalsystemwillbenefit.
Peopleallovertheworldhavehadtremendousgains,tremendousthings.TheCEOofOsteoStronghadchronicbackpain,chronicshoulderpain.Notafrozenshoulder,butclose.You'regoingtomeethimnextweek.Hisname'sKyleZagrodzky,greatguy.Hehadallkindsofbiomechanicsproblems,andhewaseveninthefitnessindustry.Hehadabunchofdifferentfitnesslocations,andhewasoneoftheguyswhowasearlydaysandCurves,togetthatoutthere.Alwayslookedtowardsgettingaudiencesthatweren'talreadyinvolvedinexercise,totryandgetthemexcitedaboutwhattheycando,fromthephysicalmedicineperspective.Sohejustthought,"Oh,I'mgettingold."He'sinhislate40sandhehadalotofchronicpain.Hestartsdoingthistherapyafterwemet,andinstantly,thepainwentaway.It'sbecausehe'sbuilding...Notjusttriggeringalittlemusculargrowth,it'sthebonethat'sgettingstronger,andtheassociatedtendonsandligamentsinthewholeconnectedchain.
DaveAsprey: Soforsomeonelisteningnow,they'relike,"Whattheheckisgoingonthat'scausingstrongbones?"IhadaninterviewrecentlywiththeguysfromPulseCentersinGeorgia.Theywereusingpulseelectromagneticfrequenciestodrivebonedensity.You'veprobablyseenmeonFacebookliveoronmyInstagrampagedoingthatonoccasion,andthat'sonewaytodoit.Butyoufoundawaythattakes,probably,lesstimethananythingelseI'veeverheardof,stuffthat'salmoststupidlyeffective.
JohnJaquish: Yeah.
DaveAsprey: Howdoesitwork?WhatistheOsteoStrongthing?
JohnJaquish: It'sacoupleseconds.Theactualactionofwhat'sgoingon.Sowhenpeopleaskme,oh,"Thewholetherapyprotocoltakes10minutes?Nothingcouldtake10minutes."Youonlydoitonceaweek,also,becausethemetabolicrateofboneislongerthanthemetabolicrateofmuscle.
DaveAsprey: Bytheway,that'soneofthereasonsIwantedyouontheshow,isthatexercisingforanhourandahalfaday,everyday,sixdaysaweek,likeIdidwhenIweighed300poundswhenIdidn'tgetresults,it'sahugefrickin'wasteoftime.Iwanttheminimumamountofexercisethat'sgoingtogetmewhatIwant.Whenyoutoldme10minutesonceaweekinordertodrivebonedensity,anditworksforyourgrandmother,anditworksforbodybuilders,thatgotmyattention.Iknowthatyouknowyourscience'causeweknoweachotherandwe'vetalkedatlengthaboutstuff.Sothisiswhythisisdisruptive.Thisiswhythisisbio-hackingandjustworthyoftalkingabout.Sopeoplegoin...Yousaidthere's50locationsandI'veseenthegearonce,sojustdescribewhattheprocessisandwhyyoucoulddrivebonedensitythatway.
JohnJaquish: There'sfourpositionsyougothrough,andyousitinthesefixturesthataretherobotic.Soyouloginandit'sgotallyourmeasurements,anditclosesinonyousothatyou'reinexactlytherightposition,soit'shighlycalculatedroboticmusculoskeletaltherapy.Thenyoubasically...Let'ssayyou'reinanimpactposition,youpushawayfromyourself,andthemovementyouseeisactually
thecompressionofbone.Themachine'snotmovingatall.Andthenyouhaveacomputerscreeninfrontofyouthat'stellingyouwhatyourfunctionalboneperformanceisinthatkineticmovement.
DaveAsprey: Soyou'redoingsomethingthatlookslikeapushup,butit'sapushupwhereyou'reonaseatthat'snotgonnamove,pushingagainstasurfacethatwon'tmove.
JohnJaquish: Right.
DaveAsprey: Soalltheenergygoesintoflexingandcompressingthebones.
JohnJaquish: Compressingaboneonitsaxis.Sothisistheaxisofmyclavicle,Iwanttocompressitthisway.
DaveAsprey: Doyouhavetocompressitfromendtoend,towardsthemiddle?
JohnJaquish: End,toend,toend,right.Soeveryonceinawhile,I'llcomeacrosssomebodywhosays,"Well,Ifoamrollforbonedensity.That'showIgetthepressureonbone."I'mlookingatthemlike...
DaveAsprey: Bonefibersarealignedacertainway.Itdoesn'tworklikethat.
JohnJaquish: Right,right.Likeyoudo,doIreallywanttohavethisargument,orjustgo,okay?
DaveAsprey: Yeah,allright.Foamrollinghasitsplace,forsure,butforbonedensity,that'snotoneofthetechnologiesthatIwouldnecessarilyrecommend.
JohnJaquish: Correct,yeah.
DaveAsprey: Allright.So,you'redoingwhatamountstoanisometricexercise,whereyou'rewedgedintoaplacewherenoneofyourbodycanmove,soalloftheforcehastocompressthebonesbecauseyou'realignedproperly.
JohnJaquish: Right.
DaveAsprey: Oneisapushup-likeposition.Whataretheotherthreepositionsthatpeoplegothrough?
JohnJaquish: Oneiswherethehips,likethe120degreeanglebehindthekneewhereyour...Likeyouwouldstriketheground.
DaveAsprey: Likealegpress,sortoflikeasquat?
JohnJaquish: Yeah,likealegpress,kindofsquatkindofthing.Thenthere'sanotheroneforthecoretodistorttheribs.Theboneactuallygetsdistortedslightly,sowehavesomestopmotionphotographythat,Ithinkit'sontheOsteoStrongwebsite,
whereyoucanactuallyseeanindividual,postmenopausalfemale,gofromrelaxationtocompression.Youcanseemovement,butnothingmovesinthemachine.Themovementisfromtheaxialcompressionofbone.
DaveAsprey: Wow,soit'sactuallymushingherbone.
JohnJaquish: Yeah.IwasjusthavingaconversationwithHeadofOrthopedicsinSweden,hugemedicalgroup.Thisguywasaskingme,like,"Doyouthinkwecouldevergetsomesortof,like,PQCT,whichisaCTscanoflimbs,wherewecanseealittlebitofthecompression?"Thisguy'ssoexcitedaboutlearning.Orthopedicsurgeonsalwaysunderstandthisbecausetheyunderstandthephysicalmechanicsofbone,andtheyalsoputscrewsandpinsintobadboneandgoodbone,sothey'reveryfamiliarwiththis.Theguysays,"MaybeatinyCTscanofabone,andmaybewecanactuallyseesomeofthecompression."Isenthimthatpicture.Youcanseeitwithyoureye.Youdon'tneedaCTscan.
DaveAsprey: Soyoucancompressyourlegsthatway?Soyoudoasquat,youdoapushup,andtheothertwopositions?
JohnJaquish: There'soneforthecore,theribcageandthenthere'soneforthespine.
DaveAsprey: Okay,that'sbasicallylikeadeadliftkindofposition,buttheseareallwithoutanyactualmotionotherthancompressionofyourbones.
JohnJaquish: Right.
DaveAsprey: Youdoit,ittakesabout10minutesonceaweek.TheideabehindOsteoStrongisthatthegeartodothisisprettybigandheavy,soyou'regoingtogointoalocationonceaweekfor10minutes,likeonyourlunchhourorsomething.Dothisandthengetadigitaltrackingofwhat'shappeningtoyourbonedensityandyourstrength'causetheygouptogether.
JohnJaquish: Right.
DaveAsprey: Yourligamentsgetbetter.Yourbonesgetbetter.Thisisoneofthosewaysoftakingwhatwouldbetensofthousandsofdollarsofgearandmakingitveryaccessibletopeople.
JohnJaquish: Hundredthousanddollarsofgear.
DaveAsprey: It'sahundredthousanddollarmachine,thereyougo.Idon'thaveone.
JohnJaquish: Yeah,they'reextraordinarilyexpensive.
DaveAsprey: Yeah,Idon'thaveoneathome.
JohnJaquish: No,no,youdonot.Iwouldnotrecommendthat.GetalocationnearyourplaceinCanada.
DaveAsprey: Andalso,10minutesonceaweekisnotworthit.That'senoughtogodoit,butifyouweretospendahundredgrandtohavesomethinglikethatathome,youshouldprobablybuyaTesla.
JohnJaquish: Right.Youdon'thaveabarberchairatyourhouse,either.
DaveAsprey: Exactly.Butit'sasmallenoughamountoftimewithabigenoughbenefit.That'swhyI'mintriguedatthis.Allright.Let'ssaythatsomeonedoesn'thaveanOsteoStronglocationnearthemandtheywantedtodosomebonedensitystuffathome.Whatcouldtheydotoimprovebonedensitynow?
JohnJaquish: Itwouldbeverydifficultformetoethicallysaythattheyoughttogooutanddohighimpactexercise.However,someathleticpeople,theymaynotbedoinghighimpactactivity,ortheymaybeandtheydon'tknow.AnotherthingIcreatedisaniPhoneapplicationcalledFractureProof.WhatFractureProofdoesisyoudownloadtheapplication.TheapplicationactuallybenefitsAmericanBoneHealth,sotryingtohelptheeducationsystems,tryingtogetpeoplemoreuptospeedonwhattheyneedtodotogrowbones.So,alittlebitofitgoesbacktoastudythatwasdoneinBristol,UnitedKingdomacoupleyearsagothatdetermined...Thisisoneofthemostimportantthingsinthisdiscussion:Theminimumdoseresponse.Anytimesomebodytestsadrug,it'slike,howlittleofthisdrug...Whenyouwereexperimentingwithbrainoctane,howlittleofthisdoweneedtotriggertheintendedaffect?Increasedcognitiveabilitiesifyou'reallowedtosaythat.I'mpartofthecompany,soIam.
DaveAsprey: Moremitochondrialenergydoesinterestingthingstothebrain.Icansaythat.
JohnJaquish: Right,okay.Theminimum...They'rethisgroupintheUnitedKingdom.Theydidastudywheretheyattachedaccelerometerstopeople,andthentheyhadthemgothroughhighimpactactivitiesthroughwhatevertheydid,whetheritwassportsorsomeoftheolderpeoplejustwentthroughtheiractivitiesofdailyliving,orexerciseclass,cardiotypestuff,andtrytodetermine,ortheydiddeterminewithcrossingtheaccelerometerdatawithregularblooddraws,becauseyoucantestsomebody'sbloodforbloodturnovermarkers.Ifyougothroughhighimpactandwetestyourblood,iftheimpactishighenough,therearemarkersthatshowthattherehasbeenanaffectofgrowth.It'scalledtheremodelingeffect,soosteoclasticactivityhappensfirst,andthenosteoblasticactivityhappenslater.Whatwassoprofoundaboutthisstudyistheydiscoveredwhattheminimumdoseresponsefortriggeringbonegrowthis.Thisisawesome.
DaveAsprey: Whatisit?
JohnJaquish: Okay,butletmebackup.Forahundredyears,Dr.JuliusWolff,hehadpeoplejumpingoffoftables.Aftertheywoulddie,thiswasahundredyearsago,aftertheywoulddie,he'dgetthecadaverandhe'dsaw-
DaveAsprey: Fromjumpingoffthetable?
JohnJaquish: No.Whentheywoulddieofnaturalcauses,hewouldsawintotheirboneandlookatitandsay,"Okay,thepeoplewhowentthroughhighimpacthadhigherbonedensity."It'scalledthelawofmechanotransduction.Everybodywhohasbeentomedicalschoolstudiedthis.Whilehemadethatobservation,hehadnowaytodeterminewhatthatminimumdoseresponsewas.Thisiswhyeveryeducationalbodyrecommendsresistancetogrowbone.Now,resistanceinhighimpactisalotdifferentthanresistancelikeatagymbecauseagymnast,forexample,get10timestheirbodyweightwhentheyslamagainstthegroundfromadismountoftheunevenbars.Nobodygoestothegymandlifts10times.Hardlyanybodylifts2times.Infact,accordingtotheAmericanCollegeofSportsMedicine,theaverageofpeoplewhoexerciseonaregularbasis,theyloadtheirlowextremitieswith1.3timestheirbodyweight.Iftheminimumdoseresponse,whichwasdiscoveredinthisstudy,was4.2multiplesofbodyweight,that'swhatitwas.That'stheminimum.
DaveAsprey: Soyou'resayingliftingweightswon'treallyaffectbonedensity?
JohnJaquish: Itcanhappenifyouareataveryhighdegree,maybeifyouaredoingstrongragepartials,maybeifyou'realsodoinghighimpact.
DaveAsprey: Imean,there'sothervariablesbesidestheenvironmentalsignalthattellsthebonesthey'restrong.
JohnJaquish: Ofcourse.
DaveAsprey: 'Causeifyou'relifting,you'regoingtogetmoretestosterone,bonedensity.You'regonnagetmoreIGF1.You'regoingtogetmoregrowthhormone.You'regoingtogetbettercirculation.Youmightchangehowyoueat.YoumightgetmorevitaminK2.You'llgetmorecollagenstimulus,butthosearetinythingsthataffectbonedensitycomparedtotherightloading,whichisahugesignal.
JohnJaquish: Sure,thosearebuildingblocks,butyoustillneedthesignal.Aguywithhightestosteronethatdoesn'tdoanyexerciseisnotgonnabuildbigmuscle.
DaveAsprey: Right.
JohnJaquish: YoucanhavetheIGF,youcanhaveahightestosterone,youcanhavethecalcium,thevitaminD.Ifyou'renotputtingloadonbone,notawholelotisgonnahappen.
DaveAsprey: Right.
JohnJaquish: That'sbeenshown.Yes,therearesomelittledegrees,usuallycalciumandvitaminDcanslowdowntheloss'cause...
DaveAsprey: K2seemstobeparticularly-
JohnJaquish: K2,yeah,yeah,theyusethem.
DaveAsprey: Okay.
JohnJaquish: Whatthisstudydiscovered,this4.2multiplesofbodyweight,theydeterminedthatthepeoplewhofailedtoachieve4.2didn'tgrowanybone.Theyhadneverhadtheturnovermarkerspresentwithahighlevelofstatisticalsignificance.Butthepeoplewhoexceeded4.2multiplesofbodyweightdidhaveboneturnover,sotheywereabletogrowbone.
DaveAsprey: WhataboutthingsliketheBulletproofVibe?Oneofthethingsthattheyusewholebodyvibrationfor,andthereasonwechosethefrequenciesthatareintheBulletproofVibeisit'swhatNASAusestohelpastronautsgetreconditionedaftergettingnostimulusontheirboneinspace.
JohnJaquish: Right.
DaveAsprey: Sothisisaverticalvibration30timesasecond.Iknowyou'vestudiedthewholebodyvibrationsspaceveryextensively.Isthereanyusefulnessforbonedensityforpeoplewhoarealreadyhealthywithbonedensitythere?It'sokaytosayno.Imean,therearestudiesthatgobothwaysthatIknowof.
JohnJaquish: Yeah,therightanswerisno.Well,but,there'sabut.
DaveAsprey: Therearestudiesthatgobothways.
JohnJaquish: No,thevibrationdoesnotdoanythingforbone.Whatthevibrationcandoisincreasesomebody'sbiomechanics.Ifsomebodyishighlydeconditioned,verypoorbiomechanics,kyphotic,theycanstarttofiresomeofthestabilizingmusclessothentheycangoonanddomoreimpact-likeactivity,ortheycandothisosteogenicloadingtherapy.
DaveAsprey: Soonatypicalvibrationplate,howmanytimesyourbodyweightisgoingtohappenatthebottomofvibration?
JohnJaquish: Justthebodyweight.
DaveAsprey: Bodyweight?Well,no,there'sacceleration,9.2metersper-
JohnJaquish: Tohaveitberelevantintrabecularbone,youhavetoaccountfortheaccommodationofskinbeingpushedtogether.Youhavetoaccommodateforthenaturalprocessofallthetenderness,ligamentousmaterialthere,whichis
designedtodeceleratesomeone.And,muscleiscompletelydesignedtodecelerateyou.
DaveAsprey: Right.
JohnJaquish: It'sdifficulttodeterminebecausealotofthevibrationmanufacturers...
DaveAsprey: There'salotofcrapoutthere.
JohnJaquish: Theyplayedasillygamewithmathematicstosaythatgravityissixtimesnormalwhenyou'restandingonavibrationplate.That'sridiculous.That'slike,theymightaswellputablinkinglightonitandsayyou'reexercisingatthespeedoflight.Iwasinvolvedwithavibrationcompany.Thestuffthatisouttherewasappalling,nothingIwasinvolvedwith,but...
DaveAsprey: Yeah,butthere'salotofstuffthatwillruinyourlowback.WhenIstartedexperimentinglike15yearsago,Ihadhurtmyhipsandmybackwiththesidetosidestuff,andIbrokeacouplemachines,butIsawbenefits.That'swhyIendedupdoingitthewayIdidit.Soyou'resayingthattherearebenefitstoit,butthey'remostlyneurologicalandcirculationbased?
JohnJaquish: Yeah.
DaveAsprey: Right,okay.Iwouldsupportthat.Therearestudiesthatsayifyouhaveosteoporosis,ifyourbonesareveryweak,youcanseebenefitsfromit.Butifyouhavestrongbones,they'renotgonnagiveyousuperhumanbones.
JohnJaquish: Butsee,thehighlycontrolledstudiesfoundnoeffect.Someofthepoorercontrolledstudiesdidseesomeeffect.Icansaytherewassomethingnefariousgoingon,butwhatIthinkwhatwasgoingonistheydidn'tcontroltheactivityoftheparticipantsinthestudy.Ifwetakesomebodywhoiskyphoticanddoesn'thave-
DaveAsprey: Definekyphoticfortheaudience.
JohnJaquish: Hunchedover,likesomeoftheolderpeople,ortheirheadisjusttranslatedalittlebit.
DaveAsprey: AnyonewithaniPhone.
JohnJaquish: Yeah.AnyonewholooksdownattheiriPhones.Whenyouhavepoorbiomechanics,you'renotgonnabeabletoabsorbimpactlevelforce.Whenyouimprovesomebody'sbiomechanicsanddon'tcontroltheirotheractivitythroughthewholeperiodofthestudy,ifyou'regonnastudysomebody'sbonedensity,it'sgonnabeoveralongperiodoftime.Youcan'ttellthem,oh,allofasudden,ifyoufeelfantastic,you'renotallowedtogooutandrunaroundinafieldandplaysoccerwithyourkidsorsomethinglikethat.Ifallofasuddenthey
startimprovingtheiractivity,thatmayhaveatinybonedensityeffect.Eventhebeststudiesthatshowedabonedensityeffect,whichlikeIsaid,theywerethepoorlycontrolledones.Itwasveryminuscule.
DaveAsprey: It'smoreaboutlymphaticcirculation,andIdoseealotoftightnesswhenIdoit,versusgoingforawalk.There'samitochondrialstimulationandthings.Iremainafanofwholebodyvibrationdoneright.
JohnJaquish: Oh,oh.
DaveAsprey: Butforbonedensity,it'snotasstrongsignal,comparedtojumpingofftablesorinthecaseofwhatyou'redoingwithOsteoStrong,loadingthebonesproperly.Idefinitely...Youfeelitwhenyoudoit.It'saverydifferentkindofexercisethanliftingweightswhenyou'redoingOsteoStrong.
JohnJaquish: Yeah.
DaveAsprey: Allright.SoOsteoStrongwillbecomeavailableforpeople.I'massumingit'sOsteostrong.com?
JohnJaquish: Osteostrong.me.
DaveAsprey: .Me,okay,cool.That'ssomethingthatyou'repartneredwithTonyRobbinson.Okay,well,let'stalkaboutTonyforaminutebecauseI'mfortunatethatTonyhasinvitedmetospeakathisUnleashthePowerWithinconference.I'montheregularagendanow,soIspeaktolike15,000peopleonaregularbasis.
JohnJaquish: It'sawesome,yeah.
DaveAsprey: Itjustblowsmeaway.AndTony,whenyougobackstage,he'sgotatrampoline,likeaminitrampoline.Idon'tknowanyhumanbeing,andIknowalotofcrazymadmenoutthere,whohastherawenergyproductionabilityofTonyRobbins.Hethrowsoffheat,he'sgotairconditionersblowingonhimonstage,andhe'sjustemoting.He'ssendingasignalthatbackstage,he'sgoteverypieceofbiohackinggear,everythinghecantojustgivehimmoreenergy.Andrightthereisatrampoline.Whataretheaffectsofreboundingonbonedensity?
JohnJaquish: Becauseit'scushionedatthebottom,verylittle.
DaveAsprey: Now,youmightgetligamentimprovements,though,fromvibrationandbouncing,ordoesthatalsorequirethesamething?
JohnJaquish: That'snotasresearched,soitwouldbedifficulttosay.Icouldguessitwouldbemoreofone.
DaveAsprey: You'rearesearchprofessional.You'vebeenstudyingthisstuffyourwholelife.Youworkedwithproathletes,andlotsandlotsofpeople,sowhetherornot
therearestudies,inyourexperience,whatwouldyouguess,giventhatyouknowmorethanalmostanyoneelseandyou'veseenmorethanalmostanyoneelseandyouhadtoflipacoin,whatsideisitgonnalandon?
JohnJaquish: Itwouldlandonthetendonandligamentimprovement.
DaveAsprey: Okay.Itendtothinkthat'sright,too,butIdon'thaveanywherenearyourlevelofexperienceinthatpartofit.Itseemslikely.
JohnJaquish: Oneoftheproblemshereisthatit'slikenoonedoescancerstudiesondietswithalotofhighfatinvegetables,right?
DaveAsprey: Yep.
JohnJaquish: Becausethere'snotalotofbusinesstobedone.Nobodyisgonnasellaproductthat'sgonnapotentiallymakeatrilliondollarsorbillionsofdollarsorsomethinglikethattotellpeopletogoeatvegetablesandahighfatdiet.Right?
DaveAsprey: Yeah.
JohnJaquish: Sowe'rejustnotgonnagetthatlevelofstudy.
DaveAsprey: Right,noone'sgonnapayforit.
JohnJaquish: You’renotgoingtobeapharma-levelstudythere.That'stheproblemwithallphysicalmedicineinterventionslikethat.
DaveAsprey: Ihearyou.Andfrankly,ifyouhaveastudythatsaysafoodhasamedicaleffectonyou,you'renotallowedtospeakaboutitbecausethenyou'reaccusedofsellingfoodasadrug.Soalotoftheresearchthatexistsaroundthingslikecollagenorbrainoctane,I'mlegallyforbiddentotellyouwhatitactuallydoes.
JohnJaquish: Right.And,tomakethingsevenworse,ifyoudidaclinicaltrialonit,theywouldsay,oh,thisneedstobecontrolled.
DaveAsprey: ButIstillcan'tsayit.
JohnJaquish: Yeah,youstillcan'tsayit.
DaveAsprey: Itdrivesmenuts.
JohnJaquish: SoevenifyoudoeverythingrightandplaybytheFDA'srules,thenyou'rejustfencedoffinanotherarea.
DaveAsprey: Icantellyou.Itmakesyoufeelgood.Now,you'reworkingonanotherproject,whichistheoneImentionedatthebeginningoftheshow.Iwasthefirstpersonoutsideofyourcompany.
JohnJaquish: Thefirstguyshowed.Icouldn'twaittogetittoyou.
DaveAsprey: Yeah,youflewuptomyhouse,actuallyBulletproofLabsAlphathere,andIplayedwiththisandwaslikewow.WeendeduptestingitwithfourdifferentpeopleontheBulletproofteam.Theseweretheonlyfourprototypesinexistence.Wediditforaboutsixweeks.Allofthemwerelike,"CanIkeepthis?"You'relike,"No,"andtookitback.
JohnJaquish: Afewofthem...Theprototypescost$2,000apiecetobuild.Acoupleofthem,twoofthemsaid,"I'llgiveyou$2,000ifIcanjustkeepthis."OfcourseIneededit,so...
DaveAsprey: Yeah,thiswasveryearlystagestartupstuff.ThisdeviceiscalledtheX3.
JohnJaquish: TheX3.
DaveAsprey: IkeepwantingtocallittripleXbecauseIgottajusttellyouguysthis.Johnisanincredibleresearchscientist.He'sgotbiceps,atleastasbigasmyhead,andknowswhathe'sdoing.ButhewantedtocallthisproducttripleX.I'mlike,"John,thatmighthaveaconnotation."He'slike,"But,itmakesyougrowmusclethreetimesasfastasliftingweights."
JohnJaquish: Yeah,there'sresearchthatsaysthat.
DaveAsprey: IthinkX3wastherightnameforit.
JohnJaquish: Well,IthoughttripleXwouldbelikeacontroversialname,anditwouldbe,right?Everyone'sgonnalaughwhentheyhearthatname.Oh,yeah,Igottacheckthatoutandthey'llrememberit.Theproblemwasfromasearchengineperspective,that'sliketheworstthingyoucandobecauseit'slikeanybodywillfindit.
DaveAsprey: Itwouldbetheshakeweight.Itwouldbeterrible.
JohnJaquish: Yeah.Callthenextthreebecauseofthegainscomethreetimesasfast.
DaveAsprey: Inallofyourresearchonbonedensityandonmusclebuilding,andjustbeingabodybuilderandworkingwithalotofthetopbodybuilders,someofwhomhavenowendorsedthisthing.I'lljusttellyou.Mydealis,IwouldlovetoworkoutlessandgetallofthebenefitsbecauseIhavestufftodo.I'dratherrecordanotherepisodeofthis.I'drathergo,likethismorning,Itookmykidstothezoo.IfIcouldgetanotherhouroftimetogotothezooversushitthegym,I'lltakethat.
JohnJaquish: Right.
DaveAsprey: SohowdoIputmuscleonandjustmaintain,mostly?Idon'twanttolooklikeabodybuilder.IfIdecideto,thenI'mgoingtocommitmoretimeandmoreeffort.Butinthemeantime,Iwanttomaintainthealmostmuscularphysique,whichisonethatIthinkisgonnahelpmelivethelongest.
JohnJaquish: Sure.
DaveAsprey: So…thewaytodothisthatyoudiscoveredinvolvesloadingthemusclesinadifferentwaythangravityandweightsdoes.Canyouwalkmethroughthat?
JohnJaquish: Right.Whenyou...Letmewalkbackalittlebitandtalkaboutsomeofthebonedensityresearch.
DaveAsprey: Sure.
JohnJaquish: OneofthelaterstudiesthatIdidonbonedensity,IjustwrotetheprotocolandIhadahospitalinLondondotheresearch.ItwaspublishedintheJournalofOsteoporosisandPhysicalActivity,greatjournal,bytheway'causetheycoverphysicalmedicine.Whatwediscoveredwasthatwe'vealwaysknown,andit'sbeentalkedabout,isinrangeofmotion.IfI'mgonnapushsomethingawayfrommyself,let'ssayabenchpressbar.Whenit'slayingonmychest,Icanhandle,let'ssayX.ButwhenIpushitfurtherawayfromme,likelet'ssayhalfwayup,it'smore.Weallknowwehavegreatercapability.Sowhenweselectaweightinthegymtodoweightliftingwith,wewillselecttheweightthatwecanhandleinourweakestrangeofmotion.
Whileit'sbeenknownwhatthedifferenceisandthecapability,whatwasdiscoveredinthatstudy,aguynamedBaselHunt,who'saclinicalpsychologistintheUnitedKingdomhealthcaresystem,hewasabsolutelyblownawayatthedifferences.RememberIsaid1.3multiplesofbodyweightiswhatpeople,onaverage,loadtheirhipswith.Whatweseeinthatstudyandinthedataingeneralisthepeopleactuallyloadthehipsinamaximalperspectiveandimpactdecelerationperspectiveatninetimestheirbodyweight.
DaveAsprey: SotranslatethatintoEnglishforpeoplelisteningwhodon'tknowwhatmaximal-
JohnJaquish: I'mgoingto,right.AllthatstuffIsaid,forgetallthat.Whatyouneedtoremember,thetakeawayhereis,youareseventimesmorepowerfulinyourstrongrangeofmotionthanyouareinyourweakrangeofmotion.
DaveAsprey: Thereyougo.
JohnJaquish: Right.IfI'mgonnadoabenchpress,basically,I'mlosingamagnitude,hugemultipleofthegrowthpotentialbecausewhateverweightIpick,Icanhandleintheweakrangeofmotion,whichmeansinthestrongrangeofmotion,it'snotreallydoinganything.Thiswastheproblem.Becauseinconventionallifting,we
pickastaticweight,we'reonlystimulatingintheweakerrangeofmotion,whichisalsowherejointdamagehappens.Theguyswhotryandtrainheavyoverandoveragain,theyhavetendonitis,theyhaveallkindsofdamagedjoints,biomechanicsproblems.Whenyougotoapowerliftingevent,alotoftheolderpowerlifters,they'rewalkingwithcanes.Youkindoflookaroundandyousay,"Thissportwasabouthealth,right?"
DaveAsprey: No,itwasaboutpower!
JohnJaquish: Excuseme,guys.Thiswasabouthealth,Ithought?Idon'tknow.Imean,well,Ilovepowerlifting,fascinatedbyit.Ialwayshavebeen.It'swhydon'twe,andthequestionwhenIlookedatthisresearchdata,Ithought,whydon'twedevelopsomethingthatisaccommodating?Whycan'twehaveavariableresistanceproductwhereintheweakrange,wehaveaverylowamountofweighttoprotectjoints.Inthestrongrange,wehaveaweightthatwecanneverun-rackatthegym,muchhigher.ThenItookitastepfurtherandbuiltaprotocolaroundthisso,andthisisanothertakeaway,diminishingrangewithvariableresistance.Sowhenyoudoit,youneverlockout.'Causeyoulockout,youturnthemuscleoff.It'saveryconfusingsystemforyourcentralnervoussystemandthenitendsupdoingnothing.Let'ssayIgotofullextension.Let'ssaywithonebandthatIhave,youknow,thisone.
DaveAsprey: Just,wehaven'ttalkedaboutthat.Sowhatyou'reusingiscustommadebandswithareallyinterestingballbearingdevicethatallowsyoutonottwistyourjointsasyou'redoing...
JohnJaquish: Right.
DaveAsprey: Youbuyresistancebandsfor,like,Idon'tknow,$30orsomething,buttheydon'tdowhatthisdoesatall.
JohnJaquish: Right.Thebandsarespecialinthatthey'relayeredlatex,asopposedtomoldedrubber.Thepowerbehindthemisverydifferent.It'skindofdifficulttoexplainthatovertheinternet.Peopleseeatinyvideoandtheyseearubberband,andit'slike,isn'tthatthesameasalltheotherones?No,it'snot.
DaveAsprey: Youhadtocustommakethebands.
JohnJaquish: Yeah,yeah,yeah.Whatwedoiswevarytheresistance.Solet'ssayIhave80poundswhenit'sonmychest.
DaveAsprey: Onabenchpress?Okay.
JohnJaquish: It's200pounds.Yeah,onabenchpress.200poundswhenI'mhalfwayawayfrommetofullextension,andthenit's350poundswhenI'matfullextension.Let'sjustsaythatthat'swhatthepowercurveis.That'swhatitiswhenIuse'causeItesteditwithaloadcellwhenIusedthatparticularband.Solet'ssayI
gothrough10repetitionsandallofasudden,Ican'thitthat350anymore.Now,I'vebuiltuptothis.Hitting350atapeakisnotwhatpeopledoondayone.
DaveAsprey: You'reaprettysolidguy.
JohnJaquish: Yeah,yeah.It's...I'mgonnapatmyselfontheback.Iamridiculouslystrong.SoI'mabletogotothis350until,like,let'ssay10repetitionsandthenIcan'tgetthere.Then,Idiminishtherange.
DaveAsprey: Soyoudon'tpushasfar?
JohnJaquish: Right,right.Andso,Icanonlygo,like,let'ssayhalfwayandIdomaybeanotherfiveorsixrepetitionsthatarehalfwaytowhereIgettothe200pounds.Then,I'mtooexhaustedtodothat.
DaveAsprey: Andthere'snopauseatthebottom.Youneverunloadthemuscle.
JohnJaquish: Right,exactly.
DaveAsprey: That'simportant.
JohnJaquish: Constanttension.It'sconstanttension.First,it'svariableresistancewiththeheavybandsandtheveryparticularlymadebarthat'llhandlehundredsandhundredsofpoundsthathasanOlympicbarfunction,soitswivels.Ifyouturnyourwrist,youdon'tlosegriponit.That'shuge.That'spartofwhythiswassuchaprofoundthing.Thenthere'salsoagroundplatetohookittotheground.
DaveAsprey: Soyoucandothecurlsandthingslikethat.
JohnJaquish: Right,right.
DaveAsprey: Gothrougharangeofmotion.We'redoingthisonvideoliveattheBeUnlimitedBulletproofconference,we'redoingholotropicbreathingwithStanGrofandthingslikethat.Ifyouwanttowatchthisonvideo,bulletproof.com/YouTubewillgiveyouthelink,butwe'lltalkeverythingthroughsoifyou'redrivingoryou'reatwork,youdon'thavetowatchthevideo.It'sthisheavybarabouttwofeetacrosswithextremelyheavyhardaroundtheends.Youcouldjustfititinyourluggage,itlookslike.
JohnJaquish: Yeah,it's21inchesandyoudropitrightin.
DaveAsprey: Itweightswhat?Sixpounds?Eightpounds?
JohnJaquish: Eight.
DaveAsprey: Eightpounds.It'sasolidthing,andit'sgottheseswivelinghooksontheendsthathooktosomebands.Icantellyou,havingdonethisforthattimeabout18
monthsago,youdothisforlikefiveminutes,youfeellikeyou'regonnadie.Yougetdizzyfromit,andthenwhenyou'redone...
JohnJaquish: Yougottasitdown.Youcandolikeoneset,andyouhaveto...Thelevelofexhaustion-
DaveAsprey: It'sinsane.
JohnJaquish: Thatwiththevariableresistance,ofcourse,it'sadeepermuscularstimulus.Keepingtheconstanttension,that'shuge,andthenthethirdthingisthediminishingrange.Youenduptheendofoneset,youhaveoneinchrepetitionswhereyou'rejustexercisingtheweakerrangeofmotionssoyoufatiguedallrangesofmotionsimultaneouslyinoneset.Itis[crosstalk]triggeringanadaptationtothehumanbody,typically,thegreaterthestimulus,thegreatertheresponse.Youdon'tgetmuchofatanonChristmasday,butyouwillinJuly.Youdon'thavetobeoutsideforverylong.Theexposuretothestimulus,themoreintenseyoucanmakethat,andsowe'rebasicallytrickingthebodyintobeingabletoputtremendousforcesthroughthemuscularskeletalsystemwithverylittleriskofinjury,andthentrigger,andthengoingthroughthatfullrangeofmotiontriggeringmassivemusculargrowth.
DaveAsprey: It'saninterestingthing.WhatIwoulddoisIwouldhavemyBulletproofcoffeeinthemorning,andthenIwoulddothisbasicallyaround12:00or1:00whenI'minafastedstatesoI'vegotnothingbutketonesfromtheBulletproofcoffee.ThenIdothis.Afterwards,it'slikeIgottaeatnow,andIgoeat.
JohnJaquish: Sothisisvery,verycontroversialwithallthethingsI'veseenonline,yeah.Peoplehaven'texperiencedit.Theirexposures,theyseeavideothat'soneinchbyoneinchandahalfontheirphonescreen,soit'sverydifficulttoseethecomplexityandqualityoftheproduct.Andso,whenIsayIputon30poundsinayear,inmuscle,andIdroppedbodyfatatthesametime,likesomeofthese...Ithinktheycallthembroliftersorbroscienceorwhatever.
DaveAsprey: Oh,thesciencetrolls,yeah.
JohnJaquish: Yeah,yeah,wheretheyreadanarticlebyArnold,whichwaswrittenbynotArnold,buthadhisnameonitinthe1970s.Theyassumetheyknowabsolutelyeverythingthereistoknowabouteverynuanceofhumanphysiology.Godblessthem.They'renicepeople.Theymeanwell.Theythinkthey'reprotectingtheirfriendsfromsomegoofyproduct,butit'snotgoofy.There'satonofsciencebehindit,andyes,Ididputon30poundsofmuscleinayear.
DaveAsprey: YouarelookingsubstantiallythickersincethelasttimeIsawyou.
JohnJaquish: Sincethelasttimeyousawme,yeah.I'veevenbeenfilmingthe12weekprogram.Wehaveafree12weekprogramwiththeproduct.I'vebeenfilmingthe12weekprogram.Eveninthevideosfromweektoweek,thereareusersof
theproductwhoboughtthepreorderwhohavebeensayinglike,"Iactuallyseeyougettingbiggereveryweek."
DaveAsprey: Igottatellyou,veryclearly,John,X3isascambecauseIputon30poundsofmuscleinsixweeks.
JohnJaquish: Oh,insixweeks?
DaveAsprey: AndIdidn'texerciseanymore.
JohnJaquish: Right.
DaveAsprey: Actually,Idid,butIwasusingSARMs.
JohnJaquish: Yeah.
DaveAsprey: Andyou'renot.That'sthereasonIbringthisup.You'renotdoingthat.You'renotusingSARMs.
JohnJaquish: IhavenotexperimentedwithSARMs.
DaveAsprey: Whatabouttestosterone?
JohnJaquish: IhadlowtestosteronewhenIwasyounger.
DaveAsprey: Sure,IhaditsinceIwas26.
JohnJaquish: 28forme.
DaveAsprey: Okay,cool,soyoutakephysiologicaldosesofit?
JohnJaquish: Yeah.
DaveAsprey: Okay,cool.Whatphysiologicaldosesofbioidenticaltestosteronedoistheymakeyoulivelongerandlikeyourlifebetter.Anytimesomeoneelsesays,"Oh,you'retakingtestosterone,itdoesn'tmatter."Actually,youdon'tknowwhatthehellyou'retalkingabout.
JohnJaquish: Yougetsuchalittledose.Imean,youfeelbetter.Yougrow.
DaveAsprey: Youdon'tgetbigfromthat.
JohnJaquish: Whatyoudoisyoudon'tlosemuscleifyougettheprescription.Mostpeoplegettheprescriptionwhenthey'relike40or50.Infact,partofthereasonthatIreallygotexcitedaboutthisproductwasworkingwithheadoftheclinicaldirectorofphysicalmedicineforTitanBiomedical.That'salabthatprescribes
testosterone,anditwasfunnybecausepeoplewillgetaprescriptionfortestosterone.Theywouldn'tseeanyresultsatall.
DaveAsprey: Yep.
JohnJaquish: IhadafriendatCenegenicsthatsaidthesame,that'sthesimilartypeofservicesaidthesamekindofthing.Wehavepatientsthatjustdon'tgainanymuscleatall.
DaveAsprey: They'rehappierandthey'reprobablybetterinbed,buttheydon'tgainmuscle.
JohnJaquish: Right,right.Andalso,Ithinkfrequently,theythinkthey'regonnalook18again.There'ssomeunrealisticexpectationsthatareoftenevenonthefaultofthepersonwhois...
DaveAsprey: Yeah,itstillhelps,anditreallycanimproveyouroutlookonlifeifyouhavethelowtestosterone[crosstalk].
JohnJaquish: You'renotgonnaputonatonofmusclefromtestosteronetherapy.So,Iwasalwaysanathleticmuscularguy.Thenwhendevelopingthisthing,Ihadjustridiculouslyawesomeresults.
DaveAsprey: Wehavenoformalaffiliateoranythinglikethat.I'manadvisortoacouplecompaniesmakinginterestingmuscledevelopingstuff.I'mnotofficiallyanadvisorhere.We'rejustfriends.We'retalkingaboutthisstuff.Thisis,I'mguessingit'sX3.com.Iactuallydon'tknow.
JohnJaquish: X3bar.com.
DaveAsprey: X3bar.com.Icantellyouguys,thisislegitimatestuff.I'mreallyimpressedwithit,whichiswhyIwantedtohaveJohnon.Plus,Imean,youknowathingortwohere.You'vestudiedthisextensively.You'velookedattheeffectsofwholebodyvibration,andyou'velookedattheeffectsofwhathappenswhenyoudon'tallowthemusclestorelax,whenyoujustkillthemthewaytheX3bardoes.Ifeltit.Itriedit.Ithinkthisisoneofthosetimesavingthingsthatmaybeprobodybuilders,Iguessyouhavesomeproswhoarenowusingthis,canuse.Butalso,justnormalpeople,whetheryou'reastayathomemomwho'slike,look,Idon'thavetimetoworkout.Iwanttodealwithmykids.Thishappensalot,actually.Ihearthis.Ithappenedtomywife.Iusedtohaveayogapractice.Iusedtodoallthisstuff.Andnow,thedemandsoflifearejusttoomuch,butIstillwanttomaintainmymusclemassbecauseit'simportanttofeelgood.
JohnJaquish: Remember,oneofthereasonswe'refriends,Irememberthefirsttimeyoucalledme.Ithinkitwaslikeatwoandahalfhourconversation.
DaveAsprey: Yeah.
JohnJaquish: I'mnotevensurewhereyougotmynumber,butitwasjustlike,"Hey,thisisDaveAsprey."Iwaslike,"Really?"
DaveAsprey: Icalled1-900-Big-Musclesandyouansweredit.
JohnJaquish: Thereyougo.Sowetalked,andit'snotevenjustthethingsthatwe'reworkingon.Whilethey'redifferent,they'regoingtowardsaverycommongoalofwhatyoujustsaid,butalso,they'reoptimizing.Ididn'twanttodevelopthissopeoplecouldsavetime.Iwantedtocreatetheabsoluteultimateseriousstrengthtrainingthing.
DaveAsprey: Yeah,you'reaperfectionist.
JohnJaquish: Yeah,andapartofitisalotofpeoplehavesaidthatthisisalittleoverbuilt'causeithandlesover500pounds.Infact,IgotavideoonYouTubewhereI'mdoing550pound,Ihadaloadcellinthemiddleofthechain.Imean,betweenthebandandthebar,550poundsforreps.Noteveryoneisgonnadothat,butIwantedtoshowthatsomethinglikethis,thatthis,withvarianceinresistance,couldmakesomebodyasstrongaspossiblebecausenowwe'releveragingwhatwe'velearnedaboutthehumanbodyandthedifferencesofthecapabilityinrangeinmotion.So,Imean,anybodywhosays,"Oh,it'stooexpensive,orwhatever.Isay,"Whatifit'sthelastfitnessdollaryoueverspend?Soisittooexpensive?"
DaveAsprey: You'rechargingabout$400forthis?
JohnJaquish: At$429,yeah.
DaveAsprey: Allright,gooddeal.Icantellyou,Idon'thaveoneofthese.Itriedtheoriginalprototype,whichlookedalittledifferent,butitwasprettysimilar.Thiswasbackquiteawhileago,soI'mabouttogetoneofthesethings.Iguesswedohaveafinancialissue.You'regivingmeoneforfree,right?
JohnJaquish: Yes,Iam.
DaveAsprey: I'vebeenbought,guys,butIamtrulyimpressed.Ihavegearthatcostsupto$45grand.Actually,onepieceofgearis$130,000thatimprovesstemcellproductioninmylabsathome.I'mwillingto...
JohnJaquish: IthinkI'veseenit.
DaveAsprey: Yeah.I'mwillingto...That'stheCVAC,bytheway.I'mwillingtonot...Idriveapickuptruck,notsomesportscarorsomething.
JohnJaquish: I'vebeeninyourpickuptruck.
DaveAsprey: It'sanicetruck,butIputmyRandDdollarsintothingslikethis.Icantellyou,forthemoney,thisblowsmymusclesoutinawaythata$15,000ElectricalStemdoesn't,eventhoughI'mabigfanofElectricalStem,still.Ihavemultipletechnologiestodothis.Ialsolikethecomputer-drivenresistancethings.But,this,fortravelandforpeoplewhodon'thavealotofspace,orwantsomethingthat'smuchmoreeconomical,Ithinkthisabsolutelydeservesrealattentionasabiohackingdevice.That'swhyyou'rehere.Whatelsecanwetalkabout?Let'ssaythatsomeonedoesn'thaveaccesstotheX3andtheywanttoputonsomemusclerelativelyquicklyusingmoretraditionalstuff.TheyhaveachoiceofNautilusmachinesor24-hourkindofmachines,ortheyhaveachoiceofbarsorjumpropesorsomething.What'sthebestoption?
JohnJaquish: Yeah.Well,partofitisiftherewasaneasywaytoaccomplishthatobjectiveofvariableresistancereally,like,thehighestdegreelikewhatwe'redoing,iftherewasawaytodoit,Iwouldn'thavebotheredtobuildaproduct.Iwould'vejustadvocatedwhateverthatwas.
DaveAsprey: Whatifyou'vegot,like,theDougMcGuffbodyweightexercise,youknow,therealslowthingslikethat.Thatseemstobeeffectiveinasmalleramountoftime,atleastforaveragemuscles.Noone'susingthat,Ithink,tojustgetcompletelybodybuildergrade,butifwe'relookingatthatequation,whichishowdoIgetenoughinaminimalamountoftime?
JohnJaquish: Right.
DaveAsprey: Anyrecommendationsforthat?
JohnJaquish: There's...Withoutrecommendingsomuchgarbageoutthere...Thereissomuchbadadvice.
DaveAsprey: Let'ssayyou'vegotmaybebodyweightexercises.Imean,shouldIbedoingslowpushups,fastpushups?Giveme…whatIcandoontheroad.
JohnJaquish: Slowisalwaysbetterinanytypeofmovementbecauseyougetstabilityfiring.WhatItellpeoplewholiketobouncethebarofftheirchestwhentheydoabenchpress,orthey'rekindoftheCrossFitstylepullupswheretheylettheirbodyweightdropandthenbounceofftheirbiceptendonastheytryandjerkthemselvesbackup,youcanprobablytellbymytone,I'mnotabigfanofthat,thoughCrossFitisdoingaverygoodjobofcleaningthatkindofstuffup.
DaveAsprey: Yeah.Imean,it's-
JohnJaquish: Averygoodjob.
DaveAsprey: IwouldsaythattheCrossFittrainersthatI'vemetandworkedwith,they'reveryfocusedonform.
JohnJaquish: Thelasttwoyears...
DaveAsprey: Yeah.Let'sfaceit.Ifyou'rerunningCrossFitgymandyouaren'twellenoughtrainedtofocusonform,you'renotgonnarunasuccessfulgymbecausepeoplegetinjured.
JohnJaquish: Yeah,totally.
DaveAsprey: Butwhenyoutrainthemright,they'llbecomeverystrong,right?
JohnJaquish: Right,yeah.I'maCrossFitfan.Bodyweightexercises,I'mprobablymostlyafanofbalanceandstabilitytypestuff.IsaythistobodybuildersandImentionedafriendofmine,PhilHernon,whowasa1996Mr.USA.Awesomebodybuilder,herunsareallysuccessfulsupplementbusinessnow,andhe'sjustoneofthesereallymindfulindividualswhooffershishelptoaspiringathletesandbodybuildersbasicallyforfree,thoughhedoestrainsome...He'strainingafewofthetopbodybuildersrightnow,butheis...Jeez.Ilostmytrainofthought.Why'dIbringthatup?
DaveAsprey: Becausewe'relookingatwhatyoucoulddowithoutgear.
JohnJaquish: Oh,right.Phil,IsharedabunchofresearchthatIhadcomeacrossandthenastudythatgotpublishedlastyearinTheJournalofSteroidsandHormonalHealthwithHenryAlkire.Hewasmy...He'sinstrumentalinputtingtheseprojectstogether.Heworkswithme.Andso,IshowedPhilthisresearch.Thisgoesbackalittlebitfullcircletothevibration.So,stabilityfiring,stabilityfiringisoneoftheprimarymechanismsthattriggersgrowthhormone.That'swhatyou'rereallydoingonVibe.That'swhatyou'redoingwhenyoudoaoneleggedsquatandtryandbalanceyourselfwhenyouhavetostabilize.
Thisislikewhenyoudrawalineonapieceofpaperandyoudrawitreallyfast,it'seasytodrawitstraightbecauseyou'reusingmomentum.Whenyoudrawastraightlineveryslowlyacrossapage,that'sharderbecauseyou'reactuallyfiringstabilizingmusclestokeepthatlinestraight.That'sthewayyouneedtolookatyourliftingbecauseyoudon'twantjusttheprimaryactors...WhenI'mpushingsomethingawayfrommyself,it'snotjustmypectorals.It'sallthestabilizingfiringbecausenotonlyfromasafetyperspective,whenallthosestabilizersareenacted,they'reprotectingmefrominjury.
Butsecondarily,whenamusclefireswithoutyourintentionalactions,it'scalledaspinalreflex.Itmeansatendonismovingandyou'renotmovingit,sothebodyfiresthatmuscletoprotectallthejointsaroundit.Whenthathappens,whenthatspinalreflexfiringhappens,especiallyinarapidsuccession,growthhormonegoesup.Andso,HenryAlkireandIdidastudywherewelookedatall23differentdatasets,soit'sameta-analysis.Doeseverybodyknowwhatameta-analysisis?
DaveAsprey: I'mguessingmostlistenersdo,butincaseyoudon't,meta-analysisissomethingwhereresearcherslookatalloftheotherstudies,decidewhichonesareworthpayingattentiontoandlookandsay,wellthereare25studies,5ofthemwerecrap.The20thatwereanygood,thisiswhattheyfound.
JohnJaquish: Right,yeah,exactly,justrammingabunchofresearchtogetherandusingstatisticstodetermineabetteranswer.Also,ittakesalotofbiasesoutifyouhadonebiasedresearcherorsomebodywhowasmaybelookingatthewrongvariablesorsomething.
DaveAsprey: FundedbyMonsanto…
JohnJaquish: Right,right.
DaveAsprey: Whereyoujustlieblatantly.
JohnJaquish: So,23datasetsallcametothesameconclusion,whichwasstabilityfiringrapidlyincreasesgrowthhormone.
DaveAsprey: Sothiswouldimplythatifyou'reusingtheBulletproofVibe,youwouldwantto...Actually,well,thisiswhatIdidwhenIwasusingtheprototype.IwouldstandontheVibeandIwoulddotheexerciseswiththeprototype.Isthereavaluetodoingthat,orwasIjusttryingtodoubledunk'causeI'mlazy?
JohnJaquish: Itwasabsolutevalue.
DaveAsprey: Oh,okay.
JohnJaquish: Infact,ifyougothroughtheX312weekprogram,itgetsmoreandmoreaggressivenotonlywiththeheavinessofthebandthatyou'reusing'causethathasalottodowithstabilityfiring,too.Youdon'tneedastabilityfirewhenyoujuststandononefoot,butwhenyoustandononefootandthenyoubendyourotherkneesothatyourfemurisparalleltotheground,yougotalotofstabilityfiringtherebecausethat'stough.Sowedefinitelygothroughthat12weekprogram.We'reshiftingpeopletowardsthisstabilitybasedexercise.Westartwiththetwoleggedsquat,andthenpeoplemigratetoasplitsquatwheretheyjustbasicallyhaveatoeonthegroundbehindthem,andthey'reputtingthebandandtheygotthebaracrosstheirshoulderslikeafrontsquatloadedposition.Sothey'reputtingmassiveforcesthroughoneleg,butthecoreistotallylitup.Ifweweretodoelectronmyographyonthosemuscles,youwouldseefiring,justlikecrazythroughthewholecore,which,that'stremendous.That'sgonnaupregulategrowthhormone.
DaveAsprey: Allright.So,youwouldsuggestforpeoplewhoareexercisingwithoutX3,withoutanyspecialgear,withouttheBulletproofVibe,iftheycandothingsthatengagestabilizingmuscles,thesewouldbebodyweightexercises…
JohnJaquish: Oneleggedsquats,it's...IsaythistotrainersandtheylookatmelikeIhavetwoheads.Isay,"Doyoudotwoleggedsquatswithyourclients?"They'llsay,"Ofcourse.It'sthemostfunctionalexercise."Isay,"Oh,youmusttrainkangaroosbecausepeoplewalkononelegatatime."
DaveAsprey: Right.
JohnJaquish: Soweloseourbalance.Wegenerallydon'thavetwofeetfirmlyplantedontheground.Weloseourbalancewhenwehaveonefootontheground.Soitwouldmakethemostsensetotrainononefootatatime.Thatisnotwhatwedo,butit'sjust,there'salotofthingsthatwedon'tdothatarejustkindofthecommonpractice,whichis[crosstalk].
DaveAsprey: Alotofyourcareerhasbeenwhat'stheverybestwaytodothis?
JohnJaquish: Right.
DaveAsprey: Versusthewaywedoit.
JohnJaquish: ThatwastheimpetusbehindX3andOsteoStrong,samething.
DaveAsprey: That'swhyIliketohangoutwithyou'causeyou'reaperfectionist.
JohnJaquish: Awesome.
DaveAsprey: Allright.Let'sdotwomorethings.One,I'vegottaaskyouthequestionthatIaskeveryoneonBulletproofRadio.Thenforpeoplewhoarewatchingonvideo,let'sactuallyhavemedoacouplecurlsorsomethingjusttodemonstrate.
JohnJaquish: Yeah.
DaveAsprey: I'velostsomeofmygainsfromtheSARMs,whichhappenswhenyoustopusingSARMs,butitwasstillafunexperiment,butI'mstillreasonablystrong.ButIjustwanttoplayaroundwiththething.Domeafavor,don'tblowmeoutbecauseI'minterviewingtwooftheworld'stopspiritualandmeditationmastersafterthisattheBeUnlimitedevent,soIdon'twanttogotosleepwhenwe'redone,sowe'lljustdoalightworkout.
JohnJaquish: Okay.
DaveAsprey: Butbeforethen,andthat's...I'mnotsurewe'llputthatontheradioshow,butthat'llbeonbulletproof.com/iTunes.Sorry.Bulletproof.com/YouTubeiswhereyougoforthatjusttogetalinktoallthechannel.Andthen,letmeaskyouthequestion.Ifsomeonecametoyoutomorrowandsaid,John,basedoneverythingyouknowinyourlife,exercise,physiology,bioengineering,andnot,whatarethethreemostimportantpiecesofadviceyou'dhaveformeifItold
youIwanttoperformbetterateverythingasahumanbeing?Threemostimportantthings.Whatarethey?
JohnJaquish: Well,onewouldbe...Thefirstone,actually,wouldbetheorderthatwejustwentthroughthem.Bemindfulofbonedensity,andImentionedFractureProofisagoodwaytofigureoutifyouarecapableofhittingthegroundandfunctionallyswitchingonbonedensity.
DaveAsprey: That'saniPhoneapp?
JohnJaquish: That'saniPhoneapp,right.
DaveAsprey: Okay,sotellpeoplewatchyourbonedensity.Thatactuallycouldsoundlikeyou'relike,okay,bonedoesn'tmattersomuch,butthereasonforthatwouldbethatbonedensitydrivesalmosteverythingelseinthebody.
JohnJaquish: Right.It'sthechassisthatyourenginesitson.
DaveAsprey: Gotit.
JohnJaquish: Addressingbonedensityisanabsolutekeytoperformance.
DaveAsprey: Cool.
JohnJaquish: Andthat'sintosomethingthatTonyRobbins,likewhenhelookedatmytalktrack,howIwouldgonotjustspeakatmedicalconferences,'causeIdothat,it'sverydifferent.Igottareallypresentthedata,notbesoexcitedasIamtoday.Theywon'treally[crosstalk].
DaveAsprey: Doctorsgetpissedwhenyou'rehappy.It'sweird.
JohnJaquish: Yeah,yeah,yeah.Well,theydon'twantanyonewho'spromoting,soIunderstand.Theywantthedata,andtheywanttomaketheirowndecision.
DaveAsprey: Yeah.
JohnJaquish: Ifthey'reexcited,that'sfine.It'shavinganeyetowardsbonedensityandthenbuildingit.
DaveAsprey: Allright.
JohnJaquish: Sothere'stwodifferentwaystodothat.
DaveAsprey: Thatwouldbethefirstthingyouwouldrecommend,though,justintermsofthethreethings?
JohnJaquish: Yeah.
DaveAsprey: Allright,sohaveastrongchassis'causethatmattersalot.What'sthenextmostimportantthingforpeople,justtheywanttoperformbetter,notjustinthegym,butjustinlife?
JohnJaquish: Variableresistance.Forexample,iflikearealeasywaytogetsomevariableresistancegains,ifyou'reaguywhoreallydoesn'tdoanytypeofexercise,getinapushupposition.Startdoingpushups.Whenyoucan'tdothem,droptoyourknees,putyourkneesagainsttheground,pushawayfromyourself.Sonowyou'redoingtheuppartofthepushupwithyourknees.Thenwhenyougettothetop,liftyourkneesupandgiveyourselfthenegativeofyourwholebodyweight.
DaveAsprey: Okay,sojusttheloweringpart?
JohnJaquish: Right,soyou'rebasicallycheatingthrough...Theycallitcheating.Ihatethatbecause...
DaveAsprey: Ilovecheating.It'sgreat.
JohnJaquish: Well,it'slikeabiohackforhowtogettoagreaterlevelofexhaustion.LikeIsaid,thegreatertheexhaustion,thegreatertheeffect.
DaveAsprey: Okay.
JohnJaquish: Soyou'reexhaustingyourself,you'reforcingreps.
DaveAsprey: That'saneathack,okay.
JohnJaquish: Yeah.Youdroptotheknees,pushyourselfup,liftyourkneesup,andtheninthenegative,intheconcentricmotion,yougetyourwholebodyweight,andthendoitagain.Doithowevermanytimesyoucandoituntilabsolutefatigue,andyou'llseejustatinylittlebitofwhatX3cando,butthat'svariableresistance.You'rechangingtheresistance.
DaveAsprey: Sostrongchassiswouldbenumberone.Numbertwowouldbetoswitchitupsoyougetthevariableresistance.Allright,thirdmostimportantthingyoucoulddotobeahighperformancehuman?
JohnJaquish: Stability.
DaveAsprey: Allright.
JohnJaquish: Thisisoneleggedsquats.Thisisbuyingabalanceboardwhileyou'rewatchingyourfavoriteTVshow.
DaveAsprey: Juststandonthebalanceboard?
JohnJaquish: You'rewatchingOrangeIstheNewBlack,andyouputthebalanceboardinfrontofyou,andyoujuststandonitandletyourstabilizerskeepyouthere.Youdon'tevenhavetothinkaboutit.Thesearemuscles...Thisisexactlywhat'sgoingononvibration.Thehormonaleffectsofstabilityfiring,like,thedatasetsweren'tallonwholebodyvibrationplatforms.Theywereinalldifferenttypesofdifferentthings.Oneofthemwasjust,like,aprecursortestforsomeonewhowouldputaprecursoronanAchillestendon.IthinkitwastheAchilles,oneofthetendons,andforcingthemusclefirebecauseyou'realteringthelengthofthetendon.Sofiringinspinalreflextoprotectthejoint,butithadthehormonaleffect.
DaveAsprey: Gotit.Soforpeoplewhowanttobehighperformance,haveastrongchassis,getvariableresistance,andthenbemorestable.Thesehaveacombinationofneurologicalandhormonaleffectsthatjustgenerallymakeyoustronger,moreenergetic,thingslikethat,okay.Beautifulanswer.
JohnJaquish: Yeah.
DaveAsprey: Allright.You'vebeenlisteningtoJohnJaquish,whoisafounderandcreatorofX3andOsteoStrong.Iguess,withOsteoStrong,Idon'tknowifyou'reafounder,butyou'reamedicaldirector.
JohnJaquish: No,no,no,I'mnot.TheyhadstartedbeforemeandI...
DaveAsprey: You're,MedicalDirector,Ithinkisyourtitle?
JohnJaquish: IamtheDirector...
DaveAsprey: Jeez.Lookatyourarms.That'sinsane.Allright.
JohnJaquish: The...Whatismytitlethere?It'sMedicalandScientificAdvisoryBoard.
DaveAsprey: Thereyougo.Iwouldencourageyouto,ifyou'reinterestedinthisstuff,youjustlearnedhowtodoapushupthatgivesyousomeofthesebenefits.Ifyou'reabiohackerandthingslikethat,youmightwanttocheckouttheX3.Nomatterwhoyouare,OsteoStrongis,Ithink,goingtobeareallybiggamechangerbecauseit'ssuchasmallamountoftimeforareallybigthing.Allright.Let'sofficiallyendtheshowforpeoplewhoaredriving,unlesswhenyougettowork,youwanttogotobulletproof.com/YouTubeandthenyoucanseemegettingmyasskickedbytheX3.We'lljustdosomecurlsrealquicksoyoucanseewhatthegearlookslike.
JohnJaquish: Nice,allright.
DaveAsprey: Attheendoftheshow,JohnandIwerechattingandhejustdecidedhe'sgoingtooffera10%discountcodetopeoplewhowanttogivethisatrywhoareBulletprooffans,probablybecausehe'saBulletprooffanandjustbecause,well,