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  • DaveAsprey: You'relisteningtoBulletproofRadiowithDaveAsprey.Today'scoolfactofthedayisthat3Dprintersarestartingtohelpusgrowtissuesandcreatereplacementbodyparts.Youmighthaveheardaboutthat,butresearchersatThePellingLabarestartingwithexisting3Dstructuresasascaffoldforcells,likeanappleslice.Sothey'llwashtheminsoapandwaterandsterilizeitandleaveafinemeshofcellulose,andthentheyinjecthumanstemcellsintoit,orhumancells,andthentheygrow.Sobasically,ifyoueverwantedanapplesliceofyourself,apparentlyyoucouldmakethat.Rightnow,ofcourse,anapplesliceisshapedlikeanear,butimaginethepossibilities.Onlyhalfofthemaregross.

    Ifyouhaven'thadachancetocheckoutBulletproofSleepMode,youoweittoyourselftogivethisashot.I'velookedatallofthedifferentherbsanddifferenttechniquesforsleephacking,and,infact,mostofthestuffyou'llseewrittenontheinternettodayaboutblackingoutyourroomatnightandabout,say,takingcollagenbeforebedtimecamefromsomeoriginalpostsaboutincreasingsleepefficiencythatIwrote.IcreatedanewsupplementcalledSleepModesoyoucanpowerdowneffectivelyatnightusingsubstancesandtechniquesthataren'tcommonlyknownandaren'tcommonlyavailable.It'skindofeasytodrugyourselfwithherbs,butyouwakeupfeelinggroggy.

    Instead,there'swaystogothroughyourbiochemicalpathways,soyoucantargetefficientsleep.Ithinkyouwanttocheckthatout.It'scalledSleepMode.It'sontheBulletproofwebsite,andit'saveryinterestingwaytosleep.IdothiswheneverItravel.Infact,Idoiteverynight,alongwiththespecialglassesandthingslikethatcalledTrueDark,blackingouttheroom,andalltheotherstuffatHeadStrongbutSleepModeisnewontheblock,andit'sapowerfulandaffordablewaytogotosleep.Hitituponbulletproof.com.

    Allright.Today'sguestisaworld-renownedbreathingexpertwhospentthelast15yearshelpingthousandsofpeoplearoundtheworldwiththingslikebreathingdisorders,sleepdisorderedbreathing,highstresslevels,poorconcentrationandanxiety.He'swritteneightbest-sellingbooksonthissubject,includingsomethingcalledTheOxygenAdvantage,thatarefullofdifferenttypesofbreathingtohelpathletesimprovetheirperformance.Thisisaguywhohackedhisownasthmathroughthisbreathingtechniqueandhasbeenasthmafreeformanyyearssince.Hetravelsaroundtheworld,andwe'retalkingtohimtodayfromGalway,Ireland,andI'mtalkingaboutnoneotherthanPatrickMcKeown.Patrick,welcometoBulletproofRadio.

    PatrickMcKeown: Thanksverymuch,Dave.Greattobehere.

    DaveAsprey: Nowyouareahugefanofarelativelyoldbreathingtechniquethat,forourlisteners,isnottheWimHofbreathingtechnique,althoughIamabigfanofWimHof,aswell.Thisis,obviously,unrelatedtoWim'sstuff.It'scalledButeyko.Canyoutellmeaboutthis?

    PatrickMcKeown: Sure,basicallyinthe1950sand1960stherewasaRussiandoctorhisnamewasConstantine,Dr.ConstantineButeykoandpartofhisresearchwasworkingwith

  • astronautsduringtheSovietspacerace.Sohisworkwastotrytofindwhatwastheidealcompositionofoxygenforrocketsfortravelupintospace.Soalotofresearchintermsofoxygen,breathing,etc.,andhealsoturnedtoEasternmedicine.Hetookalotfromyoga.Then,atonepoint,hewasobservingasickpatient,andheobservedthatthesickerthepatienttheheaviertheybreathed.Sohewondered,hesaid,"Wasittheirsicknessthatwascausingthemtobreatheharder,orwastheirhardbreathingfeedingintotheirsickness?"Hehadveryhighbloodpressureatthetime.Hestartedslowingdownthebreathandreallyquietinghisbreathing,andhewasfindingthathisbloodpressurewascomingdown.Soheputthatlinktogether.

    ItcameoutofRussiain1990becauseofCommunism.WiththefallofCommunismitcameoutin1990,andIwasmainlyusedasamethodforhelpingpeoplewithasthma.Butthen,ofcourse,thebasicprinciplesarebreathethroughyournoseandbreathelightly.Don'tbreathehard.Sobreathethroughyournose,breatheusingthediaphragm,andhavegentlequietbreathing.That'stheprinciplesthatareespousedandanybreathingtechnique...andbythewaywe'renotsofarawayfromtheWimHofmethods.Wedoalotofbreath-holdstoo,butwedon'tdothehyperventilationbeforehand.Sowe'rebreath-holdingandstrongbreath-holding,butnottheheavybreathing.Ithinkshort-termhyperventilationisfine.It'sbringingonthatstress,youknow,thatstressinthebody?ButwhatwewanttodoisIwanttolookatbreathing24/7.SoifsomebodyisdoingtheWimHofmethod,andthey'retakingbigbreathsover30breathsthat'sfine,buthowaretheybreathingfortheother24hours?That'swhereIcomein.

    DaveAsprey: Gotit.Thisisoneofthosethingswhereyouwouldhaveheardalmostnoonetalkaboutthis10yearsago.TheRussianspaceprogramhasprovidedsomanyamazingtechnologiesforbio-hackingthatmostpeopledon'tevenknowareRussian.ThecerebralelectricalstimulationthatIuseat40YearsofZenthatI'veusedforalmost20yearstoimprovemysleep,thesebreathingexercises,weirdmartialarts,likeIabsolutelyadoreRussianspacehumanhackingtechnology.EvenintermittenthypoxictrainingfromHeadStrongderivedthere,whichIthinkwe'regonnagetinto.ButwhydidyouzoominonButeyko'smethod,giventhattheseRussianhackersdoallsortsofcoolstuff?Bytheway,I'mnottalkingabouttheRussianhackerswhohackAmericanservers,andthenwehacktheirsback.That'smyoldbusiness.I'mtalkingabouthumanhackers,justsowe'reallclear.

    PatrickMcKeown: Sure.

    DaveAsprey: ButwhyButeyko?

    PatrickMcKeown: Icameacrossitbyaccident.SoIhadasthmafor20years,andIdidn'trealizeatthetimebutbasicallyIwasconstantlytiredinschool.Mynosewasconstantlystuffedup,andIwasamouthbreather.Soyou'rehavingasthma.You'retired,andyoudon'talwaysputthesethingstogether.NowI'dbeentodoctors.Iwasinandoutofhospitalafewtimes.Igraduatedwithacompletelydifferentdiscipline.IreadanarticleinanIrishnewspaper,andittalkedabouttheworkof

  • theRussiandoctor.Iwentinonline,andtheinternetwasinitsinfancy.Therewasanexercisetoopenupthenose,soIpracticedit.It'sbasicallybreathein,breatheoutthroughyournose,pinchyournose,andgentlyholdyourbreath,andnodyourheadupanddownforaslongasyoucan.Iwasabletofreemynose.

    Ithenmadeadeterminedefforttoswitchtonosebreathing,andIkeptmymouthclosed.Iwasfeelingverysuffocated,butIkeptondoingit,andIremembergoingtosleeponthesecondnight.ItwasthefirstnightIwokeupfeelingalert.Now,oftentimeswehearofasthma,butwedon'tputtheconnectionwithrhinitis.Rhinitisisastuffyorblockednosebecausewhateverishappeninginthelowerlungstravelsuptotheupper,andwhateverishappeninginthenosewilltraveldowntothelower.Butalsowedon'tputtheconnectionwithsleep,anditliterallytransformedmylife.Iwasinthecorporateworld,butIwasoneofthesecharacters,anditwasprobablypartofmybreathing.Iwasverystressed,mouthbreathing,etc.,andImadethenadecisiontochangecareers.SoIwenttoRussia.ItrainedinRussia.IwasaccreditedbyDr.Buteyko.Icameback,andtherestishistory.

    DaveAsprey: Now,whenIwasakidIhadasthma.IrememberonenightIwokeup,andgoingupstairs,kindalikecrawlingtomyparent'sbedroom,andbeinglike,"Ican'tbreathe."Andthey'relike,"What?"

    PatrickMcKeown: Yes.

    DaveAsprey: Youknow,thefreakingoutsort-ofsituation,butthatwasonlyafteritgottothepointwhereIthoughtIwasgonnapassout.Idon'tknow,whenyou're10youdodumbstuff.ItturnsoutIwaslivinginabasementthathadtoxicmoldinit.

    PatrickMcKeown: Yes.

    DaveAsprey: Whichalwayscausesrhinitis.I'vehadstrepthroatorsinusinfectionslikeeverymonth.Soalotofpeople...infact,Iwasdaysawayfromhavingsinussurgeryinmyearly20s,whenIfiguredoutsomewaystofixmysinusesthatactuallyweren'tbreathingrelated.Theyweremorejustaroundgettingthecrapout,andnowit'srareformetohaveasinusproblematall,andIcanbreathethroughmynose.ButI'mguessingthathalfofpeoplelisteningrightnowreallydon'tbreathethroughtheirnosebecauseit'sinflamed.

    PatrickMcKeown: Yep.

    DaveAsprey: Howdoyouuseyourbreathingtechniquesifyournoseisclogged?

    PatrickMcKeown: Itwasdiscoveredbackin1923ifyouholdyourbreath,andbyholdingyourbreathyou'rebuildingupcarbondioxideintheblood-

    DaveAsprey: Yep.

  • PatrickMcKeown: -andthetheorybehinditwasthatthebuildupofCO2openedup,ordecongested,thenose.Nowtheremightbeotherthingsgoingon.Asyouholdyourbreathyouactivatethestressresponse.Asyouholdyourbreaththerecouldbeabuildupofheatinsidethenasalcavity,andalsoabuildupofnitricoxide.Sotherecouldbeanynumberoffactorsthere,butliterallyI'veusedbreath-holdingtodecongestnosesinabout7,000individuals.Andit'sareally,reallywonderfulandeasywaytodoit.

    DaveAsprey: SoI'mgonnagetonaplane...andjustfulldisclosure,IjustgotbackfromBurningMan,andIgotdustinmyeye.Igotalittleeyeinfectionthatirritatedmysinuses,andIgotasinusthinggoingonfor,like,thefirsttimeinayearI'dsay.SoI'malittlecongested.I'mgonnabegettingonanairplane.

    PatrickMcKeown: Okay-

    DaveAsprey: WhatdoIdo?Realtimehackinghere.

    PatrickMcKeown: Okay,welldothisformenow.Justblockonenostril,andtakeabigbreaththroughit.

    DaveAsprey: Throughtheonethat'sblocked?

    PatrickMcKeown: Anyone.Okay,andnowtrytheotherone.Trytheothernostrilthenwhenever[crosstalk].

    DaveAsprey: Oh,youwantmetolettheotherbreathout?Okay.

    PatrickMcKeown: Yeah,noofcourse.

    DaveAsprey: Likebreatheouttoo?Okay.

    PatrickMcKeown: AllI'mdoingislistening.

    DaveAsprey: Okay.

    PatrickMcKeown: Okay,fromwhatI'mpickingupnowandit'snotgoingtobeperfectbutI'mpickingupthattherightseemstobefreerthantheleft.Thereseemstobemorerestrictionontheleft.

    DaveAsprey: Iputozonegasuptherightnostrilrightbeforetheshow.Ididn'thavetimetodotheleftnostril,whichismynormalhackforthis.

    PatrickMcKeown: Okay,soyourleftnostrilisalittlebitmorecongested.Sowealwaysdothatfirstofall,andthenliterallyit'saboutjustkeepingthemouthclosedandtakeanormalbreathinthroughyournose.Anormalbreathoutthroughyournose.Onlynormal,butanywayI'lltryitagain.

  • DaveAsprey: Okay.

    PatrickMcKeown: Justanormalbreathinthroughyournose.Anormalbreathoutthroughyournose,andpinchyournosewithyourfingers.

    DaveAsprey: Withmylungsempty?

    PatrickMcKeown: Yeah,justafteranormalexhalation,pinchyournoseandswayholdingyourbreath.Keepholdingyourbreathuntilyoufeelarelativelystrongairshortage.Sokeepholdingyourbreathuntilyoufeelafairlystrongairshortage.Sowhatyou'redoingthereisjustchangingbloodgasses,andasyouholdyourbreathnitricoxideisgoingtobereleasedfromtheparanasalsinusesintothenasalcavity.Whenitgetsprettytoughletgo,butbreathinthroughyournose.Sowhenitgetsprettytoughletgo,and

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