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  • The Bulletproof Executive 2013

    Transcript of 304 with Gerald Pollack

    Bulletproof Radio podcast #304

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    Female: BulletproofRadio,astationofhighperformance.

    Dave: YouarelisteningtoBulletproofRadio,andIamDaveAsprey.Thanksfor

    listening,youcanfindBulletproofRadiooniTunesbulletproofexec.com,podcast1,andeverywhereelsepodcastscanbefound,butyouprobablyalreadyknewthatbecauseyoufoundus.Today'scoolfactsofthedayisthatraincanbemorethanjustwater.RainonVenusoronotherplanetsormaybeevenmoonscanbemadeofsulphuricacid,orevenmethane.Andscientistfoundtheplanet5000lightyearsawaythathasrainmadeoutofiron,whichiswaycoolifyouaskme.Idontknoweverymanhastosayaboutthat,butit'sgottobecool.Today'sguestisaguyIhavewantedtointerviewforalongtimeeversinceI,Ireadhisbook.

    AndheisadistinguishedprofessorofbioengineeringattheUniversityofWashingtonwhereheconductsresearchonwaterscienceatthePollacklaboratory.HeistheexecutivedirectorofTheInstituteforVentureScience,andthefoundingeditorinchiefoftheJournalofWater.HeisalsoafoundingfellowoftheAmericanInstituteofMedicalandBiologicalEngineering,andafellowoftheAmericanHeartAssociationandtheBiomedicalEngineeringAssociation.Inotherwordsheisacompletebio-hackingbadassalthoughIdontthinkanyonehasevercalledhimthat,andhisnameisDr.GeraldPollack.Gerrywelcometotheshow,it'sanhonortohaveyou.

    Gerald: OhthanksDave,I'mreallyhappytobehereanduhthanksfortheintroduction.

    Dave: Youre,youresowelcome.Uhyourbookthat'sprobablymostfamousatleastinthecircleswhereIhangiscalledTheFourthPhaseofWater:BeyondSolid,LiquidandVapor,anditsonamazon.com.Andthatskindofwhatyouareknownforbecauseyouresayingwhydoeswaterdotheweirdstuffitdoesthatnoonehaseverexplained,andyouhavethatnaturalsenseofcuriositycombinedwithsomeprettylegitimatescientificresearchbackground.Butyouvealsolookedattheotherbookthat,thatchangedmyviewonuh,onhowtohackthehumanbodywhichwascalledCells,GelsandtheEnginesofLifefrom2001.

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    ItjustplayedapivotalroleonmeprobablylikeIthinkIdohavecontrol

    ofmyownbiology,andyou'vedonesomeotherworkonmusclesandmoleculesandallthis.And,andIwanttoknowhowdidyougetintothisstuff,likeyou'vedoingthisfor,forlongerthanIhavelikebyalongtime.What,whatbroughtonthislevelofcuriosityandinterestinsuchsmallthings?

    Gerald: Whydoyouthinktheyaresmall?

    Dave: (laughs)well,wecan'tseethemiswhyIthinktheyaresmall,Ithinktheyarefun

    Gerald: Ohyoumeanthemolecules;Ithoughtyoumeantuhthesubject.

    Dave: No,nothesubjectsareactuallyfundamentaltoeverythingweare.Imeanhowourbodiesproduceenergy,uhhowweturnthatenergyintomotionIthoughtis,isfundamental.AndalmostallofwhatIdoisaroundtweakingthosethings.And,buthowdidyougetintothosethings,whenyoustartedthisresearchsolittlewasunderstoodaboutthisstuff.What,whatmadeyougothere?

    Gerald: UmIwasstudyingmusclesandhowmusclescontract,andwhatstruckmeisreallyweirduhonedayuhisthatwhenwethinkofmusclesatthemolecularlevelweconsidertheproteinsandhowtheproteinsinteracttoproduceforce.Butyouknowmusclescontainnotonlyproteins,butalsowater,infacttwothirds,twothirdsofuhbyvolumeofourmusclesandallothercellstooareroughlytwothirdsofwater.Umit'sactually,it's,itsevenmoredominantthanthatifyouconsiderthe,thefractionofmoleculesthatarewatermolecules.Youknowthewatermoleculeissosmallthatinordertofillthattwothirdsbyvolume,youneedtoputinuh,uhalotofwatermolecules.Andifyoudothemolecularcount,itturns,itturnsoutthatum99,morethan99outofevery100moleculesarewatermolecules.

    Anditstruckmeasoddthatyoucoulddiscount99outofa100moleculeswhentryingtofigureouthowmuscleswork.Thereisa

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    theoryuhthatprevailsnowaboutmusclecontractionandhowitworks,anditdatesbackabout60yearsormore.UhitwasdevelopedbyfamousNobellaureate,amemberoftheHuxley,famousHuxleyfamily,SirAndrewHuxley,andalmosteverybodyfollowsit.UhbutIfoundsomedifficultywith,withthattheorynamelythattheevidencedidn'tfit.

    Dave: Oops.

    Gerald: Andsoyeahoopsisright,oops.Uhpracticallyeveryexperimentthatwedidinthelaboratoryfailedtofitthetheory,and,andsowebeganthinkingalongotherlines.AndIbegantorealizethatcriticaltotheentiresubjectofcontractionwasthewater,that99outof100moleculesdidplaysomerole.

    Sothenwestartedtofigureout,uhnotsomuchtheparticularroleofwater,but,butofwateritselfbecause,becausewaterasyousaidis,isacomplicatedsubject.Oritseemscomplicatedbecausetherearesomanyanomaliesuhthatuminotherwordspropertiesofwaterthatwecan'tpredictfromanytheory.AndsoIbegantoscratchmyhead,andIhadafewinterestingcontactswhouhIwouldntsayguidedmeuhalongtheway,butprovidedsomecluesthatwerereallyinstrumental.Andthenweturnedtowater,westoppeddealingwithmusclecontraction,andwebegantofigureoutthepropertiesofwater,andwefoundsomereallysurprises.And,andthosesurprisesare,arefoundinEspeciallyinTheFourthPhaseofWaterbook,butalsosomein,intheCells,GelsandtheEnginesofLifebook.AndI'mflatteredthatyoureadthem.

    Dave: Well,Cell,CellsandGelsisoneofthereasonsthatI,Ivebecameahugefanofcollagenprotein,becauseifyouwanttomakeagelyougottohavecollagen,andIpreparedcollagenproteinin,inmycoffee,andIthinkhavingproperlyphonecallsandit'sprobablyreallyimportant.AndofcourseyourbookmademepayattentiontothatandthatSothetakingtherightaminoacidstoformcollagenoreatingbonebrothisthewayswegetitproperly.EventhoughIprobablyhadnocollageninmydietforaverylongperiodoftime,soIdidn'tknowthatthatwouldbeimportant.

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    So,sothanksforthatfirstpartthere,butthenewbookblewmeaway,because,letmejustaskyouafewquestions,IknowyouknowtheanswersbutjustbecauseIthinkourlistenersdont.Iswateractuallyliquid,what'syourtakenowthatyou'vestudiedit?

    Gerald: Well,yesandno,uhsowaterisobviouslyaliquidbecauseyouhaveaglassofwateranditbehaveslikealiquid.Butthereisanotherphaseofwaterthatwediscovered,andthat'sreallyinbetweenaliquidandasolid.Somostofushavelearnedthatwaterhas3phases,weknowthereisthesolidphaseorice,thereistheliquidphase,theonethatweputintheglass,andthevaporphase.Umandumsothat'swhatwelearned,butwhatwefoundoutisthatyeahthereisafourthphasethat'sdistinctfromallofus.Andsoit'snot,itsnotaliquidandit'snotasolid,butsomewhereinbetweenthosetwo,andifyouhavealittlebitofitinyourglassofwaterwhichyouprobably,probablydo,youwon'treallydetectthedifference,butyouhavealotofitincertainexperimentalsetups.

    Andyoucanactuallymeasureandfindoutthatthisishighlyviscous,it'skindoflikehoney.Uhit'sinbetweenhoneyisnotexactlyliquid,butnotexactlyasolid,andthisistheconsistencyofthisfourthphaseofwater.

    Dave: Wow.

    Gerald: Well,yeahuhithasuh,ithasalotofimplicationsbecauseyeahthereisalotofitaround.Andit'snotacompletesurprisebecauseuhtherewasaphysicalchemistmorethana100yearsago.UmtherewasHardy,andheprojectedthis,hewas,hewasacolloidchemist,andhesaidyouknowsomethingeven100yearsago,somethingdoesn'tmakesense,becausetherearepropertiesofwaterthatarebasicallynot,notunderstood.Andifyoutrytounderstandthemintermsofthe3commonphases,youvefailed.Andheprojectedthatthereisaforthphaseofwater.Andanumberofpeopleactuallypickedthatupuhovertheyearsum,andthefourthphasewaskindofcalledstructuredwater.

    Structuredyeahmeaning,meaningthemoleculeswerenotrandomlydisposed,buttheywereactuallylinedupinsomeway.Anduhthere

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    wereactuallyquiteafewsuchpeople,themostprominentbeingGilbertLinn.

    Dave: Yes,Ivejustbookedhim.

    Gerald: YeahGilbertLinnisnowYeahheisnowIthink97yearsold,andstillactive.UhandthentherewasalsoAlbertSaintGeorge,andSaintGeorgewas,youmightcallhimthe,thenobelistamongnobelistsbecausehewasuhrespectedandrevered.HegothisNobelPrizefordiscoveringvitaminC,andthenheworkedonmusclesandheworkedonwater.Andhesfamousfor,forafewquotesandoneofthemisthat,Lifeiswaterdancingtothetuneofsolids.

    Soheknewthatthewaterwasintimatelyinvolvedineverythingthatthecelldoes.Andwhathappenedisthatuhpeopleumintheearlypartofthelastcenturyuptothemiddlepartweredeeplyinterestedinwater,theygot...Youmightsaydeeplyimmersedin,inthesubject.Andumandthentherewere2debaclesthatuhsetthescienceofwaterbackward.Therewere2incidentsthathappened,oneofthemiscalledthepolywaterincident,andtheotherwascalledwatermemoryincident,andumIcantellyouaboutthisbecauseuh,uh,theyre,theyarekindofinteresting.Uhwhatthe,thesummaryof,ofthestoryisthat,isthatthepeoplewhowerestudyingthese2phenomenawereroundlycriticizedbyuhbyscientists.And,andsoitbecamewater,thestudyofwaterbecameakindofscientificjoke,andpeoplethenbecamereluctanttopursueit.

    So,sothefirstone,uhthesocalledpolywaterincidenttookplace.Anditbecamefromt