Mike: Bulletproofradio.Astateofhighperformance.

Dave: You'regoingtowanttolistenthroughallthewaytotheendoftoday'sshow,becauseyou'lllearnareallycooltechniquetoturnonamuscleinyourbodycalledthepsoas,thatisprobablytight,atleastifyousitmostofthetime,likealotofusdo.It'ssomethingthatiscompletelynon-obvious,andit'sareallycoolhack.So,listenthrough,learnaboutthat,andlearnaboutsomeofthenewtechthat'scomingoutofSweden.Prettyinterestingstufftoday.

You'relisteningtoBulletproofRadiowithDaveAsprey.Today'scoolfactofthedayisthatscientistsdiscoveredbrainpipes,ordrainpipesinourbrains.AndtheyscannedhealthypeopleattheNIHandfoundthatyourbrainactuallydumpswasteproductsthroughthelymphaticsystem.Ifyoudon'tknowwhatthelymphaticsystemis,thisisbasicallythesewagesystemofyourbodythatdoesn'thaveitsowncirculatorysystem.Thisiswhy,I'lltellyouinthebooks,andprettymucheveryonewilltellyoulike,"Movearoundsomealready.Goforawalk."It'sbecausethatpumpsthelymphaticsystem,whichisreallyimportant.That'swhyI'lldowhole-bodyvibration,justtogetthegunkoutofthecells,sothatitcandrainandbeexcreted.

But,wealwaysthoughtourbraincouldn'tdothat.Infact,there'sawholesystemcalledtheglymphaticsystemthatusescerebralspinalfluidtowashyourbrain,andin“Headstrong”Iwriteabouthowtoupgradetheperformanceofthat.ButitturnsoutthattheguysatNIHactuallywatchpeople'sbrainsdrainfluidintothosevessels.Wejustnevernoticedthevessels,becausethey'rerunningrightalongsideamajorartery,sothroughoutallofmedicalhistorywejustoops,didn'tnotice.So,that'skindofcool,becauseitcompletelychangeshowwethinkaboutthebrainandtheimmunesystem,andhowtheyinterrelate,anditbringshugedogmasintoquestion.Thingslike,oh,there'sablood-brainbarrierthatdoes,actslike,"Oh,sorry,there'sthesebigdrainpipesinthemiddleofthebarrierthatwejustdidn'treallyknowabout."

Andwhatthey'relookingatnowiswhetherpeoplehaveAMSorotherneuro-inflammatorydisordersmayhavedifferencesinthatpartofthesystem.Mytheoryisthat,notheydon't,becausethey'regettingexternaltoxinsthatdamagetheirmitochondria,thatdamagenervemyelination.That'swhyyoushouldkeepyourmitochondriastronganddon'teattoxicmoldforbreakfast.It'sabadidea.

Speakingofthingsthatyoumightwanttothinkaboutforbreakfast-Bytheway,didyouguysseethatsegway?ThatwasthesmoothestsegwayinallofBulletproofRadio.So,thankyouforyourroundofapplause.I'mjustkidding.ButthatwasasegwaythatIdidn'tplan.

Beforewegetintotoday'sshow,IwantedtotellyouaboutthefactthatwehavethreeroastsofBulletproofcoffee.Andthere'sathreeroastBulletproofcoffeevarietypack.We'vegottheMentalist,whichismycurrentfavorite.I'mactuallydoingitinespresso,anditjustdrivesmecrazy,Iloveit.TheOriginalmediumroast,whichismyfavoritefor

pour-over.AndFrenchKick,whichisadarkroastthatwedialedinwithoneoftheguyswhotrainsthejudgesintheCupofExcellence,whichisliketheworldchampionshipofcoffeetasting,andIhavealwayssaid,"Darkcoffee,seriously?Thatruinscoffee."Hewaslike,"No,wecandoit."So,somethinglike60-plusroastslater,wecameupwithadarkroastthatIactuallylikethatdoesn'ttastelikeburntcharcoalorsomething.It'sgoodstuff.Yougotobulletproof.comandgetthethree-pack,savealittlemoney,andwell,yougettotrythemall.

And,there'ssomeotherexcitingnews.“TheBulletproofDiet”isnowpublishedinHungarian.AndbecauseIamnotoneofthosepeoplewhospeaksHungarian,althoughthatwouldbeanawesomeskilltohave,IcannotsaythetitleproperlyinHungarianyet.So,I'mnotgoingtotry.But,Iwilltellyou,yayit'sinHungarian.Inmywildestdreams,Ineverwouldhaveexpectedthat“TheBulletproofDiet”wouldhavesold,Ithinkatthispointalittlebitmorethanhalfamillioncopies,andit'savailablenowin11or12languages.AndwhenIwenttoJapanrecentlywhereitwaspublished,Icouldn'tbelieveit.Iwenttoabooksigning,andpeoplewereliftinguptheirshirtstoshowmetheirsix-packs.Andifyou'vebeentoJapan,peopledon'tliftuptheirshirtsinJapan,andIwaslike,"ThisisthecoolestthingI'veeverseen."Soanyway,Hungarianisaddedtothelist,soifyou'reinHungarylisteningrightnow,thankyou,andyoushouldpickupacopyinyournativelanguage,becausethat'sawesome.

Alright,nextup.Let'stalkabouttoday'sguest.Thisguyisoneofthe100peoplewhoattendedthefirstannualBulletproofConferenceaboutfiveyearsago.So,thiswasaprettyexclusivegroupofpeoplewhowerereallyearlyonthebio-hackingscene,andhewasaspeakerattheBulletproofConferencein2014.Hisname'sMikeHoban.He'sastrengthandconditioningcoachwhoworkswithathletesattheprofessionallevel,collegiatelevel,andknowsallsortsofweirdstuff.Andhe'sgoingtoteachussomethingstoday,andtalkaboutsomenewtechhe'sworkingwith.Mikewelcometotheshow.

Mike: Thankyouforhavingme.

Dave: Now,Iforgottomention,you'recoaching,whateveryoucallit,it'scalledEliteSpeed,thisisthenameofyourthing?

Mike: Mycompany,yeah.

Dave: Yeah.AndI'vebeenouttoseeMikeathisfacilityinNewJersey.It'sreallynice,andhe'sgotastrangeassortmentofbio-hackingtechnologies.Butthere'sathingthatsomeofthetoppeopleonEarthcandoinsportstrainingwheretheylookatyouandthey'relike,haveyoueverseenNeointheMatrix?Iknowit'sgettingtobeanoldermovie,it'sstillmyfavoritemovie,buthelooksatrealityandit'sallonesandzerosdroppingthrough?WithMike,helooksatyouandyou'relikeallplanesandangles,andit'slike,"Ohyeah,something'swrong."

Solastnightwewerehavingdinner,andhegoes,“There’ssomethinginyourshoulder."Andagain,it'sbeenpoppingalittlebitlately.Hegoes,"Ahhere,Igotit,"andlike

pushesonmypalm.AndhepushesonlikeweirdthingsthatnothingtodowithmyshoulderinthewayIseetheworld,becauseI'mnotNeoofthehumanbody.Andallofasuddenmyshoulderstopspopping,andit'sfinetoday.Like,Icanruncurrentoverit,Icanlaserit,likethere'salotofstuffIknowhowtodo,butit'soneofthesecrazythingswherethere'sallthesenetworksandmovementthatarejustnotvisibletous.AndMikeisaproatthisstuff,whichiswhyIhadhimontheshow.

SoMike,welcome.

Mike: Thankyou.Thankyouforhavingme.

Dave: AndthanksforcominguptoVancouverIslandtofilmthislive.So,thisgavemeachancetoplaywithsomeofthosenewtoysandjusttogetachancetohangout.Plusanytimewegettointerviewinperson,it'sprobablymorefuntowatch.OnYouTube,gotobulletproof.com/youtube.YoucanfindtheYouTubechannelwhereyou'llfindtheshowifyou'renotdriving,inwhichcase,well,maybeyoushouldjustlisten.Andifyou'reatwork,andyourbossisgoingtoseeyouwatchingavideo,ah,justkeeplistening,that'sfine.

Mike: Justkeepitunderthedeskifyou'regoingtowatchit.

Dave: Yeah,thatworks.Justputyourcellphonedownlow.

Mike: Exactly.

Dave: You'llbefine.You'llbegoodtogo,andwellwait,ifyou'recellphone'sdownlow,whatareyouradiating?

Mike: It'snotanythinggood,that'sforsure.

Dave: That'sright.Keepyourcellphoneawayfromyourjunk,rulenumberone.

Mike: Yeah.Bigtime,rulenumberone.

Dave: SoMike,whatgotyouintoallthiskindofweirdstuff?

Mike: Beingastrengthcoach,oneofthethingsyoucomeacrossisalwaysinjuries,andgettingpeoplefrompointAtopointB,frominjuredtohealthy,isalwayskindofatrickyprocess.

Dave: Right.

Mike: Youhavestandardrehab.Youhaveobviouslydoctors,chiropractors,andtheissueis,theyalllookattheirownthing.Andnoonereallytalkstoeachother.Andthat'skindofwheretheissuecomesfrom.Becausenormallywhenwegethurt,it'samulti-levelthing.It'sthemuscledidn'tfireproperly,sothejointtooktheload,andnowtheligamentgotstressed,andyadayadayada.Andsomethingcausedachainreaction.And

becausenoonereallylookedatthemuscularsystem,IdecidedthatwassomethingIhadtogofurtherinto.

Dave: Now,inthatwayyouactuallydidsometrainingwithCharles[inaudible]yearsago,andyou've,certainlywhenwefirstmetyouweretalkingaboutsomeofthatcoolstuff.

Mike: Yeah.

Dave: AndCharleshasbeenarealpopularguestontheshowaswell,andhe'safriendandapparentlyabigfanofUnfairAdvantage.Hesentanotetheotherday,he'slike,"Dave,what'sinthere?MethandPCP?Ifeelsogoodonthis!"I'mlike,"Don'tminceyourwords,myfriend."

Mike: Yeah.

Dave: SoCharles,ifyou'relistening,thanksforthat.Andjustthanksforyourtraining,becausetrainingwasreallyhelpfulforyou[inaudible]

Mike: Oh,definitely,definitely.HewasthegroundworkforallthestuffIdotoday.

Dave: Okay,beautiful.Nowyougotintothis,andhowdidyougettobeworkingwithproathletes?

Mike: Basically,justbuildlocalkidsupuntilIgottothatpoint.Ifyougetakidwhenthey'reyoungenoughandthey'redrivenenough,andtheyhavethetalenttobeginwith,youcanbuildallthosethingsnecessarytogetthemintothatrealmtowheretheycanbecomeaproathlete.Imean,it'sjustamatterofdevelopingthemproperlyfromsteponetothelaststep.

Dave: What'stheearliestthatyoustartworkingwithkids?

Mike: I'vestartedwithasyoungasten.

Dave: Wow.

Mike: Andthat'smostlyjustcoordination,gettingtheirbodytosynchronize.Wehavealotofkidsnowwhofallintothe,excusetheexpression,amotormoroncategory.Becausesomanyofusspendallourtimehere,we'reoncomputers,we'resitting,andit'snotwhatourbodiesaremadefor.Ourbodiesaremadetomove.WhichI'msureeveryone'sheard[inaudible]butit'saverytruething.That'swhyeveryonekeepssayingit.Youhavetomove.

Dave: Especiallyatthatagewhereyou'regettingthemovementreflexesstillwiredin.

Mike: Yeah,andespeciallywithallthethingswedowithkidsnowadays,Imean,kidsdon'tcrawlanymore.Andthat'swherealotofourdevelopmentcomesfrom,it'swherewedevelopourcross-crawlpattern.That'swherewedevelopourcervicalcurve,from

lookingupfromlookingupatpeople.Andwetakethataway.Wehavekidsintheserompersandtheserollers,sothey'rewalkingbeforetheyshould.We'reskippingdevelopment.

Dave: Yeah,Iactuallyhaveaproblemwithmyinfantmotorreflexes.Whathappenedtomeisthat,Ilearnedtoreadat18months,whichiskindofcool,becauseitdevelopsyourbrainalot,

Mike: It'skindofimpressive,yeah.

Dave: ButwhenIreallygotintolookingatwhat'sgoingoninmynervoussystem,ifIclosemyeyesandjustmarchinplace,Iwouldspininacircle,withnoknowledgeIwasgoingthat.

Mike: Oh,wow.

Dave: AndthedevelopmentalophthalmologistIwasworkingwithwaslike,"Oh,yeahyouneverlearnedtocrawl,didyou?"Andlike,"Yeah,howdidyouknow?"Hewaslike,"Well,lotsofadultshavethesepatterns,yourfeetdon'tdothis,theydon'tdothat."Andit'sliterallythiswhole,onehandcrossesthebody.So,you'reseeingthisinten-year-oldsnow.

Mike: Ohyeah.Yeah,yeah,yeah.Wegetthesekidswhothey'lltrytorunsamearm,sameleg.So,astheyliftuptheirleftknee,they'llpumptheirleftarm-whichisnotthewayournervoussystemworks.

Dave: Soit'sjust,it'sawiringthing.Soyou'refixingwiringatyoungerages.But,you'reworkingwithlike,therealseriousathletickidsusuallyabitlaterthanthat.Soyougetteenagers,Iknowyou'redoingalotofworkwithsoccerteams,right?

Mike: Somesoccerteams,yeah,andalotof-Soccerteams,thebiggestthingisthatwehavetodoisdeveloptherearofthebody.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: Becausethosekidstendtodevelopcompensationpatterns,becausetheystartsocceratsuchayoungage,theyrelyonthequadriceps,whicharelargemuscles,buttheglutesandthehamstringsarelarger,plusthere'stwomusclesversusone.So,youworkbetterandyou'remoreefficientthatway.You'regoingtobefaster,you'regoingtocutbetterandyou'regoingtodeceleratebetter.Whichiswhatthegameofsocceris,it'sstartandstop.Startandstop.

Dave: Okay.Soyoudoallthiskindofwork,andthenovertime,youdevelopedsomereallyspecifictechniques.AndwhatIwantedtochatwithyouabouttoday,wasthatyou'vegot,actuallyholdon,what'syourfavoritesport,liketoworkwith?Likewhatkindofproathleteisthebestathletetoworkwith?

Mike: Iworkwithalotofbaseballplayersrightnow.Imean,Ihaveakidwho'stryingoutfortheNFL,he'salotoffuntoworkwith.I'vetrainedhimsincehewas14.He's22now.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: So,thosearereallygoodsportstoworkwith.Probablythosetwo.

Dave: Gotit.Sofootball,baseball.

Mike: Mm-hmm(affirmative).

Dave: Andwhatyoufoundoutisthateveryone,evenpeoplewhoarenotathletes,andthere'sactuallyalotofproathletes,severalprofootballteamsarereligiousBulletproof,Iknowbecausetheye-mailmeandI'mlike,"Areyouserious?No!"Andstufflikethat,butIknowthatyou'vebeenworkingonthingsthatproathletesandCrossfittersandallmaybenefitfrom,butthatprettymucheveryonehasaproblemwith,becausewesitandbecauseofthingslikethat.

Mike: Definitely.

Dave: Andyoucallitlikethebigthreemusclegroupsthatareinactivated.

Mike: Yeah.

Dave: Whatarethebigthree?

Mike: So,thethreemajormusclegroupsthatwelookatineveryactivationarethepsoas,theglutesandthehamstrings.So,thosearemainpropulsionmusclegroups,andthosearetheonesthatbasicallymakeupalotofourposture.

Dave: Talkaboutthepsoas,becauseyouknowthepsoasis,butI'mguessing,unlessyou'reintoyogaorsomesortofstudyofanatomy,mostpeopledon'tknowwhatapsoasis,andtheycan'tspelliteither.

Mike: Yes,sofirstofall,it'sspelledveryfunny.Ithasapinthebeginning,whichkindofthrowsmostpeopleoff.Butthepsoasisthedeepestmuscleinthebottom,itconnectsyourfemur,orthighboneallthewaytoyourspine,andit'swhatcauseshipflexion.So,ifyoueverthinkthatyourcoreisyourabs,likeItellpeople,"Trytotakeastepjustusingyourabs,"because,youcan't.

So,thatmuscleisbasicallyourmainpropulsorymusclelikeIsaid,andittendstogetveryshortonus,becausewespendthebulkofourdayseated.Everyoneworksatacomputer,worksatadesk,wehaveourkidssittingatadeskinschoolallday,andthatmusclejustshortens.So,weneedtoopenitup,weneedtogetitworkingrightso,forpeopletoexploretheirfullpotential.

Dave: Allright,sothat'spsoas.Andthenglutes,thatthebuttmuscleobviously,andthat'sbecauseitopposesthepsoas,isthatright?

Mike: Yeah,soessentiallywhentheglutegetslockedup,you'regoingtokindoftipbackwards,becausethemuscleshortens,andyourpsoasisgoingtobeputinavulnerableposition.So,youhavetobeabletohavebothofthemfiringattherighttime,otherwiseyou'renotgoingtomoveanywhererealefficiently,andyou'reprobablygoingtohavesomepainbecauseofit.

Dave: Alright.So,wegotyourbuttandthethighbonetothespine,thepsoas.Andwhatwastheotherone?

Mike: Thehamstring.

Dave: Thehamstring,alright.

Mike: Yeah.

Dave: Thehamstringis,Iguessit'samuscleandit's,well,atendonright?So,you'retalkingaboutthemusclethat'saroundthehamstring?

Mike: Yep.Yeah,thehamstringmusclewhichrunsallthewayupanddownfromthe[inaudible]tuberositydowntothenape,whichcausesbothhipflexion,orI'msorry,hipextension,sorryaboutthat,andkneeflexion.

Dave: Okay,sothesearethethingsyouseemostpeoplebecausewesaidwedrive,evenifwemovearoundsome,thesearetheareasthatgetweak.Andwhatdoyoumeanbyinactivated?

Mike: Sobasicallywhathappensis,themusclejustgetsintoapositionwhereitcreatesmorestability,soitstopsfiringorlocksup,andit'snotactive.Itcan'treachitsfullrangeofmotion.Itcan'treachitsproperpowerpotential,becauseit'sprotectingsomething.It'stryingtokeepsomethingsafe,especiallyinthecenterofourbody.

Dave: Okay,sothere'sanautomaticreflexthatwehave,it'slike,thispartofthebody'satrisk,solockup.

Mike: Exactly.

Dave: Andthatdefinitelyworks.Likethere'sdistributednetworkofsensorsinthebodytryingtokeepyourbodyalive,wecallthemmitochondriawhichfeedintothenerves,

Mike: Youknowanythingaboutthose?

Dave: Yeah,Iheardaboutthem.

Mike: Okay.

Dave: Andtheydoworktoprotectthosethings-andthisisn'taconsciousbehavior,right?

Mike: No,completelyunconscious.

Dave: IfIwaslockeduporinactivatedinoneofthoseareas,wouldIevenknowit?

Mike: Yeah,butyouprobablywouldn'trealizedirectlywhatthecausewas.Alotofpeoplewhohaveashortenedpsoasaregoingtoenduphavingrighthamstrings,becauseit'sreflexive.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: So,oneisshortononeside,sotheothersideshortenstoaccommodateforit.

Dave: So,youcan'tbendoverandtouchyourtoes,sothereforeyourpsoasneedswork.

Mike: Mm-hmm(affirmative),yeahthatwasactuallyoneofthethingsIdidattheconferencewhenwewerecallingpeopleuponstage.Firstwe'lltestthehip,andifthehipisn'tfiringproperly,we'lltestthehamstringlength.Andninetimesoutoften,peoplewhotheirhipsaren'tfiring,theirhamstringflexibilityistrash.

Dave: ThisisanareaIdefinitelydiscoveredIhadaproblemaboutfiveyearsago,whenIwasreallygettingintothisstuff,andmyhamstrings,notmyhamstring,mypsoaswasinactivated,eventhoughIdoalotofyoga,Icanputmyanklesbehindmyhead,IcanputmyhandsflatonthefloorandI'mlike,andfora6’4”guy,kindofusual,butitstillwasn'tactivated,whichisodd.So,youdidsomething,maybeatthefirstconference,Idon'tknow,certainlyinthelastfewyears,wherelike,"Ohhere,sorryaboutthis."Andlike,tookyourthumb,andbytheway,ifyou'rewatching,youwouldseewhatMikelookslike,buthe'sapowerlifter.Areyoulikeapropowerlifter,almost?

Mike: Icompetedforawhile,butIwasneverapro.

Dave: Butbasically,hehadshouldersbiggerthanlikethesheepinmybackyard.Like,themanisawallofmuscle.Andatleast,somemuscle.

Mike: Somemuscle.

Dave: Justkidding.

Mike: It'sallgrass-fed.It'sallgrass-fed.

Dave: Butyeah,IputhimontheVaspermachine,thatthecoldcardiothingthatweuseatBulletproofLabs,andtheVelcrobandsalmostdidn'tgoaroundhisarms.Like,therewasahalfinchofVelcroleft.So,I'veneverseenthatbefore,butgoodGod.Anyway,sothisnotsmallmantakeshisthumbandjust,youjustdigitinlikerightsomewherearoundlike,totheleftofthegroinouthere,andit'slike,Iscreamedlikeachild.Butthenlike,

"Ohwowlook,Icanmoveagain."Butitwasprobably,youjustkindofvibratedyourthumbalittlebit.

Mike: Thatmuch.

Dave: Itwaslikemaybeafive-secondthing,whereitwasprettyintense.

Mike: Ohyeah.Yeah,nowhenyoureactivateatissue,it'll,

Dave: Whatwereyoudoing?

Mike: So,essentiallywhatwedidwaswentinaroundthelymphaticpoint,whichweweretalkingaboutthelymphaticsystembefore,andwhenlymphaticsgetcloggedup,ninetimesoutoften,you'regoingtolosefunctioninthatmuscle.

Dave: So,there'snosewage,sothesewagegetsbackedup,andthenthataffectsmuscle.Butthat'snottheprimarycauseofinactivation,it'sneurological…

Mike: No,that'snotthe,it'sneurological,it'slymphaticlikeIsaid.It'smulti-level.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: Soitcanbeanything.

Dave: So,youdidthatandthere'sanoticeablechange.Samethingyoudidlastnight,myshoulderquitpoppingafteryoufoundtherightpoints.Andyouaregoingtoteachourlistenershowtoreactivatetheirpsoastoday.Andthen,you'vealsojustlikecreatedaprogramforthis.Andguyslistening,Mike'sagoodfriend,andhe'sgoingtotalkabout,he'sgotanewprogramwherewe'regoingtoteachthesepeopletodothis.Wehavenobusinessrelationship,otherthanthatheknowswhathe'stalkingabout,andhe'staughtmesomecoolstuffovertheyears.Andactually,hewrotetheexercisemanualfortheBulletproofVibetoo,right?

Mike: IbelieveIdid,yeah.

Dave: Thatwasawhileback.But,soanyway,we'lltalkabouthisprogram,butthisisnottosellittoyou,butjustifyoulikethiskindofstuff,youcanlearnaboutit.Ifnot,thendon'tlearnaboutit.

Mike: Exactly.

Dave: Soanyhow,you'regoingtoteachhowtoactivatetheirpsoas.

Mike: Yeah,I'mgoingtogiveyoutherealeasyone.I'mgoingtotalkeveryonethroughit.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: There'sacoupleofwaystodoeverything,butIfigurejustforthe,sincewe'redescribingit,it'sjustgoingtobeeasiertogowiththisone.So,theeasiestwayI'veeverfoundtoactivateyourpsoasisyoufindyourbellybuttonorumbilicus,right?Andthenbasically,youjustkindofdiginaroundthatarea.

Dave: Likeunderneath,above,orjuststraightthrough?

Mike: Underneathandaround.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: We'regoingtomakeacirclearoundthebellybutton,sotospeak.

Dave: Clockwise,counter-clockwise,doesn'tmatter?

Mike: Doesn'treallymatter.Andyou'regoingtofindtenderspots.

Dave: Andifyou'reaninnieoranoutie,doesitmatter?

Mike: No,doesnotmatter.Veryimportantquestion.

Dave: Nooneeveraskedthatbefore,right?

Mike: No,no,no,that'sanewone.

Dave: Youhearditherefirst.

Mike: Exactly,so.

Dave: So,you'redoingacircle,likehowdeepdoyoupush?

Mike: Well,youwanttopushprobablyaboutfour,fivepoundsofpressure.

Dave: Okay,soprettyhard.

Mike: Enoughtomakearesponse.Andyou'regoingtolookforcertainthings.Like,you'llfeel,we'rebothsittinghereoncamerarubbingourbelliesrightnow,it'sprettyawesome.You'llfeelcertainareaswherethere'slikeahotspot.Thattendstobelikeinflamedareas.

Dave: Alright.

Mike: So,ifIcomeinonDave,startrighthere.

Dave: Yeah,you'llfindsomespot,yeah,that'sthetenderspotonthatsideontheleft.

Mike: AndifImoveupalittlebit,it'snotsobad.

Dave: It'slesstender,yeah.

Mike: Soyeah,weworkourwayaround.There'sanotherone.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: Andthenwegolower.

Dave: Yeah,it'stenderonthatsidetoo.Alright.So,youfindthetenderspotsandwhatdoyoudo?Just-

Mike: Juststayintherealittlebitlongerandjustkindof,it'salmostlikethesameideaasfoam-rolling.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: Verydifferentfromfoam-rolling.

Dave: Yeah,there'snofoamroller,foronething.

Mike: Yeahexactly,that'sonething,andfoamrollingwon'treactivateatissue,it'lljustkindofbreakupadhesion,andmake[crosstalk]…

Dave: So,thisisnotadhesion,soifIfindthetenderspot,whatdoIdo?

Mike: Juststayinthereandjustkindofgoincircles.

Dave: Justkindofcircle,liketinylittle,thesizeofaquarterkindofthing.

Mike: Yeah.

Dave: Alright.So,youdothatforhowlong?

Mike: Justaboutfive,tensecondsandthenmovetothenextspot.You'renotlookingtoresolveeverythingrightaway,we'rejustlookingtoclose[inaudible]

Dave: Right,andthisisgoingtoturnaroundyourpsoas?

Mike: Ohyeah.

Dave: That'snotobvious,becauseyourpsoasdoesn'tgothroughyourbellybutton.

Mike: Exactly.

Dave: Right,andhowdoyouknowthisworks?

Mike: Triedit.Multipletimes.

Dave: OhmyGod.Evidence.Ohyeah.Evidencebasedstuff,whoknew?Gotit.Andaretherelikeacupuncturesystemsthatwouldpredictthis,oranyotherschoolthatthisborrowsfrom?

Mike: SometimesitwillborrowfromChapman,Chapmanreflexes.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: That'sonething.Acupuncturedoeshaveitsownsystemofactivations,buttheytendtobetiedtoorgans,soyoucangetintosomefunkystuffthatway.

Dave: Okay.Sobasicallyyou'resaying,peoplewhoarelisteningrightnow,don’tdothisifyou’redriving,maybejustkeeponehandonthewheel,orifyou'reinaTesla,it'lljustdriveforyou,don’tevenworryaboutit…

Mike: Thereyougo.

Dave: But,soyoufindthesetenderspotsandit'sweird,ifyoudoacircleyouwillfindsomespotsarewaymoretenderthanothers,andyouwouldn'tfeelitunlessyoupushed.Andthenyoustanditfortenseconds,andhowamIgoingtoknowmypsoas,likeifIdoaforwardfoldandthenIdothis,amIgoingtodoadeeperforwardfold?

Mike: Whatwewouldnormallydoiswewouldtestyoubeforehand,andobviouslygiveyouthatevidenceaswell,andmakesureyouknowyourmusclesarefine.Butalotofpeople,whatyou'llrealize,aneasytesttodoonyourownisstandupandliftyourkneeashighasyoucan,

Dave: Okay.

Mike: Andfirstofall,yourbalanceisprobablygoingtobeabitwobbly.Mostpeople.Especiallyifthepsoasislockedup,becauseit'skindofpullingonyourpelvisandpullingyouinthewrongdirection.Thenwhenyouactivateit,yourkneeisgoingtogohigher,andyou'realsogoingtohavebetterbalance,becausenowit'snotpullingonyourpelvisimproperly.

Dave: Ihavedefinitelyfoundifyoupayattentiontoyourbalance,ittellsyouallsortsofstuff.Theyhavethosewobbleboards,orevenlikethedigitalones.IboughtaSonyPlayStationtenyearsagoorsomething,whatever,theWii,[crosstalk]theNintendoWiibecauseithadaboard,butIfoundoutwhenyougotit,unlessyoudidallsortsofhacking,youcouldn'tactuallyseeit.I'mlike,"IjustwantedtostandonthereandseehowmuchIwobbled."Istillhadtoplayvideogames,thatwerefun.So,ifyougotohigh-endneurologyclinics,they'relike,they'llactuallylookathowyouwalkandwhetheryourweightisbalanced,butjust,

Mike: Whichpartofthefootyoumakecontactwith.

Dave: Yeah.Andlike,whenyoustand,youwouldn'tknowthis,butyouactuallygoinlikeacone-shapedcircle,right?

Mike: Mm-hmm(affirmative).

Dave: Anddoyougetintothatstuff?

Mike: Notinthefirstlevelwe'regoingtobeteaching.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: Welookmoreatbreathing.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: Whichisgoingtobeabigcontributortothat.Andposturalanalysisaswell.Whichisahugepredictorfor,thatmightevenbemoreimportant,inmymind,thanbalance,becausethatkindofcontrolsalotofthebalancewehave.

Dave: Okay,sojustlookattheposture.Andthen,soifyouwantedtotestthisathome,youwouldstandstill,raiseyourkneeashighasyoucould,andcheckin,"Okay,amIbalanced?AmItippingover?DoIneedawall?"Anddoitwithbothlegs?

Mike: Yeah.Bothlegstoseeifone'sbetterthantheother.Andthengothroughyouractivationandseewhatchanges.

Dave: Okay,andtheactivationisaroundthebellybutton,smallcircle,findthetenderspots,andkindofrubthemfortenseconds.

Mike: Exactly.

Dave: Alright.Sothat'soneof,andyouteachthisfortheothermuscles?

Mike: Ohyeah.Wehave,we'regoingtoteachatleasttwoorthreeactivationsforeachmusclegroup.

Dave: Okay,that'sprettycool.So,thereyougo,that'sausefulthingyoucantry.Well,Iguessifyou'redrivingyoucan'treallytestyourself.

Mike: Andwaittillyou'rehome.

Dave: Andwouldyoutryaforwardfoldaswell?Orjustfold?

Mike: Definitely,youcantotallydothat.Iwouldprobablytryoneseated,becauseaforwardfold,Imean,wecanhiphinge.

Dave: Likeaseatedforwardfold?Okay.

Mike: Yeah.Andthatchangesthings.So,Imeanatoetouchandahiphingeare[inaudible]

Dave: Whohasahardtimewiththeforwardfoldsitting?Isthat?

Mike: Yeah,alotofpeoplewithyourkneesstraight.

Dave: Oh,withyourkneesstraight,okay.

Mike: Yeah.

Dave: Gotit.Iwasthinkinglike,Icouldprobablytouchtheflooralways.

Mike: Ohyeah,no,no,no,rightnow,no.

Dave: [inaudible]

Mike: Sittingonthefloorwithyourlegsextended.

Dave: OhIgotit.Okay,sothat's[crosstalk]

Mike: Yeah.

Dave: Ohokay,notIgetit.So,actuallythat'sagreattest,becausethat'sreallychallengingformostpeople.Exceptsoccergoalies.

Mike: Yeah.Yeah.Thosebastards.

Dave: Iusedtoplaygoalie,butthatwasn'tmymove.Mymovewasrunningintotheotherplayerssotheywouldn'tscore.Idon'tknowwhythatworkedforme,but.

Mike: Oh,Ididthesamethinginfootball,so[inaudible]usedmyheadasabluntobject.

Dave: Seemstowork,untiltheTBIkicksin.

Mike: Exactly.

Dave: Alright.Andthentheotheronespeopleoughttopayattentiontoarethebuttandthehamstrings.Andifyou,okay,anotherquestion.

Mike: Sure.

Dave: Foractivatingamusclelikethis,howoften,Imean,doIneedtowalkaroundpokingmygutalldaylong?

Mike: Irecommendmostpeopleifyouhaveanissuewithit.So,alotofpeople,Imean,howmanypeopledoweknowwithbackpain?

Dave: That'salotofthem,right?

Mike: Yeah.So,ifyouhavebackpainorifyouhaveanyissueslikethat,that'sanotherwaytotesttoo,bytheway,ifyou'rebackishurtingandyouactivateyourpsoas,andallofasuddenitloosensup?

Dave: Okay.

Mike: Guesswhatyouhave?Youdon'thavebackpain,youhaveatightpsoas.That'sanothertip.Anotherwayyoucantest.ButItellpeople,Imean,itneverhurts,anditactuallyhelpswithsomedetoxification,becausewegetthelymphmovingagain.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: So,twotothreetimesaday.

Dave: Alright.

Mike: Imean,ittakeslittletonoeffort.Ittakesalittlebitofapaintolerance,butthemoreyoudoittheeasieritgets.Sowhynot?

Dave: Alright,justkindofmassageoutthoselittlepainpointsaroundthe[inaudible].Andifyougoinandyouseelikealotofacupuncturists,likethey'llprobethesameareas,findoutwhereit'stender,andthenbasedonthat,they'llputaneedleinsomewherelikeyourknee.Like."Whyareyouputtinganeedlein?"But,assoonastheneedlegoesin,like,"Oh,itdoesn'thurtanymore."

Mike: Exactly,themeridians.

Dave: I'mfascinatedbythosesystems,butIamnotatrainedacupuncturist.AndthepeoplewhoIknowwhoaregoodarejustconstantlystudyingit.It'sanamazingnetworkofstuffthere.

Mike: Itreallyis.

Dave: Now,theotherthingthatyou'reworkingonthat'skindofcool,isyou'realwayslookingattechnologyforproathletesthatcouldgivethemanadvantage.Andyou'reoneofthefewguyswhohasoneofthoselike,dual,waveformRussianstimulationkindofthings,theold[inaudible]itusedtobecalled.So,itwaskindofcoolwhenIwenttoyourplaceinNewJersey,Iwasreallywipedout.Ihadbeenonthis,thatmighthavebeenfor“TheBulletproofDiet”booktourorsomething,

Mike: Ahyeah[inaudible]

Dave: ButIwas,Ihadbeenonwiththemediaallday,andI'm,"I'mkindoftrashedhere,"soyouusedsomeofthe[inaudible]stimthatIhadathomethatIhadbroughtwithme.Iwaslike,"Oh,thisisliketheoneplaceintheentirestatewhereIcanfindit."Andthat

stuffreallycanberegenerative,butasidefromtheactualstimulation,whataresomeoftheotherkindoftoysthatyouplaywith?

Mike: ThebiggestthingI'musingrightnowissomethingcalledaminoneurofrequency.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: Whichis,basicallyit'sreallycool.It'sthesediscsthatwhenyouapplythemtoyourbody,theradiantheatinyourbodyactivatesthem,andtheyemitafrequencywhichcausesaresponseinyourbody.

Dave: Whenyousaytheyemitafrequency,I'malwaysalittlebitlike,"Okay,whatexactlyisthefrequency?"

Mike: Thefrequenciesare,they'reharmoniouswiththeonesinyourbody.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: Solike,there'sonestolikegetinflammationoutofyoursystem.

Dave: Isitlikeheatorlightorradiofrequency?

Mike: No,Ibelieveit'sjust,Iwouldsayit'sprobablymoreoflikearadiofrequency.Notaradio,butlikeasoundwave.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: That'swhatI'llgowith.

Dave: So,there'salotofpeoplethatsay,"Ohfrequencies."

Mike: Yeah,ofcourse.

Dave: Andit'slike,okaywell,frequenciescanbemeasured,andokaywhat'sthefrequencyofyourceilingfan?That'sverydifferentthanwhat'sthefrequencyofyourradiostation.Andalighthasthefrequencyofthelightitself,andthenthere'sablink,right?So,I'mhonestlylike,whatdoesfrequencyreallymean,becauseitjustmeanshowoftenpersecond.Buthowoftenwhatpersecond?

Mike: Exactly.

Dave: Andwhatyou'retalkingaboutthere,soundshavefrequencies,andyoucanmeasurelightorsoundinhertz,becauseit'sjusthowoftenpersecond.ButsomethingcalledthePiezoelectriceffectabsolutelyhappens,andweknowthatlightandheatcantriggerPiezoelectricity,right?Whereyoucangetasmallelectricalsignalfromsound,andso,liketherearematerialsthatrespondthatway.So,thesearediscsthatuseinfrared,andthen,Isupposeitcouldalsobelight,Idon'tknowthetech.

Mike: Ibelieveit'sinfrared.

Dave: Okay.Ifitwasinfrared,thatwouldpowerthemprobably.Andthatactually,there'sgoodsciencebehindthat.Likeinfraredlightfromyourmitochondriachangeswaterintoexclusionsonwater.Sothereisbasically,it'sthecoreofreallyanytimeyou'redoingorganicbiochemistry,thisishappening.So,there'saconceivableanglethere.AndI'malways,I'vehadlike,probably50differentpeoplesay,"Oh,trythispatch."AndI'malwayskindoflike,"Ifit'sanicotinepatch,[inaudible]"someactionthere.Butothertimes,Ifindreallyweird,there'scellsinyourbodythatdostuffyouhavenoknowledgeof.Andbytheway,thestuffinyourgut,Ihadnoknowledgeofthat,butitturnsthingsonandoff.

Mike: Ofcourse.

Dave: Alright,soI'mopen-mindedtotheideathatyoucansendasignalintothebodythatyoudidn'tconsciouslyknowabout,andeventhenmaybethenit'slisteningtothingsthatwedon'tknowabout.So,inthiscase,you'vedoneacoupleofclassesonthestuff,you'reusingitonproathletes.

Mike: Usingitoneveryone,actually.It'sallthestuffthatweuseforourproathletes,alsoworksforgeneralpopulationaswell.

Dave: Yeah.

Mike: Andthecoolthingthatitdoesformostgeneralpopulationpeopleisitgetsthenoutofpain.Whichisaverygoodthingtodo.

Dave: OneofthethingsIlikeaboutyou,partofthereasonyoucametothefirstbio-hackingconference,isyou'relike,"Iliketodowhatworks."

Mike: Basically.

Dave: There'sthatverypragmaticbio-hackerperspectiveisthat,"Well,wethinkweknowthemechanismofaction,butit'smoreimportantthatwegottheresult,thanthatweunderstood."

Mike: Yeah.

Dave: Andso,how'dyoufindthesepatches?Like,thesearenotyourinvention.

Mike: No,notatall.Notatall.I'mnotaffiliatedwiththecompanyinanyway.Basically,backinJanuaryIrupturedmybiceptendon,whichisnofun.Hadsurgery.Myrecoveryfromsurgerywasbecomingveryslow,whichisveryfrustratingbecauseoneofthethingsIdoisIgetpeoplebackfromsurgery.Igetpeoplebacktotheirtopformorevenbetter,quickerthantheywouldnormallygetthere.

Dave: Right.

Mike: So,everythingwasmovingreallyslow,Iwasgettingveryfrustrated.Asyoucan,youknowmeprettywell,soafrustratedMikeisnotagoodthing.

Dave: No,youtendtopickupcarsandthrowthematpeople.

Mike: Yeah,yeah,andIcouldn'tdothat,becauseIhadatornbicepright?So,itwasreallybad.

Dave: TossPriuses,they’rekindoflight…

Mike: Priusesandmotorcycles.So,Ifoundagentlemanwhousedthistechnique.Oddlyenough,heandIworkedinthesametown.Andwentandgotworkdone,andImean,Isawahugeincreasejustinthestrengththatday.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: So,Imean,mybicep,itwasabicepcurlandIwasusingeightpounddumbbells,whichisabiggerpilltoswallow.AndInoticehe'slookingatmyarm[inaudible],andthatdayIendedupusingfifteens.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: Sothatwasabigjumpforoneday.

Dave: Howdoyouknowitwasn'tplacebo?

Mike: Becauseitkepthappening.

Dave: Okay,thereyougo.

Mike: AndeverytimeIgottreated,itwentupalittlebitmore.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: So,yeah.

Dave: Now,you'vebecomewell-trainedinhowtousethesediscs,andyouactuallydidsomeworkonmywife,[inaudible]andmelastnight,anditwasnoticeable.Like,Ihavefulldisclosure.PostBurningMan,I'vegotthisdustintheeyeproblem,ansoIwasgettingfluidbuildupinamannerthatlooksparticularlyobnoxious,andyouputsomepatchesonthismorninganditwasgone,whichiskindofcool.

Mike: Yeah.

Dave: Butyou'vealsotestedonabunchofyourathletes.Andtellmeabouttherunning.OneofthereasonsIwanttotalkaboutit,becauseyouhadabunchofexamples.Tellmeabouttheguywiththerunningspeed.Whatdidyoudothere?

Mike: Oneofmysoccerplayers,sobasicallywhatIdidwas,Idevelopedaprotocolforathletestorunfaster.So,Ijustkindofagain,brokehimdown,lookedathim,figuredwhatwasgoingon,figuredwherehisweaknesseswere.Andweappliedsomediscstobasicallyfacilitatetheprocess.So,ImeanIputsomestuffonhisfeettomakehimalittlemorespringy,putsomediscstoincreasestrengthoftheglutesandthehamstrings,themusclesIwastalkingaboutbefore.Andsoweranthatday,weweredoingasprintworkout,andallhistimesdroppedacouplehundredthsofasecond.Whichdoesn'tsoundlikemuch,butit'sonatenyardsprint.

Dave: Okay,soshortsprints.

Mike: Yeah,veryshort,sothat'saverybigmargin.Thenlaterthatnight,hetextedmeoutoftheblue,andjustsaid,hiswords,excuseme,"Holyshit,thesediscsaremagic."Andhehadtoldmeherana5:45milethatnight.Andthisisafterafull-onsprintworkoutwhichisverydifficulttodo,obviously.Anditwaslike,"Wow,that'sgreat.Whatwasyourbesttimebeforethat?"Andhesaid6:15.

Dave: So,itreallyshortenedthings.

Mike: Yeah.

Dave: Now,didyoutellhimthediscsweregoingtomakehimfaster,orwastheresomeplacebo?

Mike: Itoldhimthatthediscsweweregoingtoexperimentonhim.HewasaGuineapig,willinglyhewasaGuineapig.AndIsaid,"Itshouldhelpyourshort-sprintspeed.Yourshortbursts."Anditendedupreallyaffectinghismile.I'mguessingitjustreallymadehisstrideveryefficient,whichhelpedhimoverthelonghaul.

Dave: Gotit.SometimeIwantyoutohavethepiecesoftapeorsomething.[inaudible]thisisgoingtoimproveyouspeed,andseewhatitdoes.

Mike: Wecandothat.Wecantotallydothat.

Dave: Yeah.Youcouldtellhimafterwards.

Mike: I'llgetsomedummydiscs.

Dave: Yeah,Ithinkyoushould.

Mike: Yeah.Icantotallydothat.

Dave: Yeah.Becausethereisthetapeyoucanputon[inaudible]increaseperceptiveawarenessorthingslikethat.

Mike: Yeah.Stickytapeorsomething.

Dave: Yeah.Imean,partofmeisalways,"What'sreallygoingonhere?"But,Icantellyou,puttinglittlediscsaroundmyeyeprobablywouldn'tmakeitdrainatnight,becauseIdon't,maybeaplacebocandothat,butIthinkthatjustknowingyouandknowinghowyouworkwithathletesandjustyourkindofrelentlessandlittlebitruthlessaboutfiguringoutstuffthatworks,andthennotcaringifpeoplelikeitornot.Whichiswhyyoumakepeoplecrywhenyoupokethem.

Mike: [inaudible]andmyfingersdon'tbendeither,so.

Dave: Right.

Mike: Iwaskindofmadeforthisstuff.

Dave: Right.Andso,I'mintrigued,aminoneurofrequencythings,Ihaven'tstudiedallthemechanismsofaction.They'reoutofSweden.GuyhasadualPhDwhodoesthis.Ihaven'thadachancetotalktohimyet.Itsoundslikehe'skindofalittlebitreclusive.

Mike: Yeah,fromwhatIunderstand,yeah.He'sverybusyrightnow,he'sdealingwithalotofcasesinSweden.

Dave: Andhejustrunssometrainingcourses.You'vebeenthroughabunchofhistrainings,anduseddiscswithproathletes.

Mike: I'veactuallyneverbeenthroughoneofhistrainings.I'vebeenthroughpeoplewhoworkatitforhim.

Dave: Okay,sohehasagroupoftrainers.Okay,cool.

Mike: Yeah.Ihaven'tactuallymethimyet.

Dave: Okay.Whatothertechareyouworkingwiththatyou'reexcitedabout?

Mike: So,stillusingthedualwavestimunit.

Dave: Theelectricalstim,okaycool.

Mike: Yeah.Andthebiggestthingwedowiththatis,it'skindofnewhandoroldhand,howeveryouwanttolookatit,webasicallyjustfirethingsupthroughthegammaloop.

Dave: Whatdoesthatmean?

Mike: Sobasically,allthesesensorsofthebodyareconnected,alltheflexorsofthebodyareconnected.So,ifwewanttofireup,let'ssayahamstring,whichconnectasahipextensor,akneeflexor,wecanhookituptoyourtriceps.Andbystimulatingyourtriceps,yourhamstringsandyourglutesaregoingtofireharder.

Dave: Becausealloftheflexorsarewiredtogethertorecognize[inaudible]…

Mike: Allthroughthenervoussystem,yep.So,ifyouhitone,youhitallofthem.

Dave: Soifsomeone'sinjured,sayintheirhamstring,youmightruntheelectricityoverthetricep,sothatit'llget,"Oh,IguessIshouldstrengthenallofthese,"andthenthey'llhealfaster?

Mike: Mm-hmm(affirmative)Youcandoitthatway,orwecanevenjustapplyitdirectlytotheinjuredareaaswell.

Dave: That'swhatIusuallydo.

Mike: Yeah,butthat'snofun,Imean,yeah.

Dave: Well,youliketomakepeoplecry.

Mike: Yeah,andthat'lllike,thefirst[inaudible]wesaidwiththetricep,that'llhelptofacilitatetraininginthelatterendafterwe'veknockeddowntheinitialinflammationandkindofhelpretrainthemusclewithoutdirectlystimulatingit.Becauseyoucanoverstimulatetheareaveryeasily.

Dave: Whataboutlikefoamrollingandstufflikethat?Isthatapartofwhatyoudowithathletessometimes?

Mike: Imeanyeah,foamrollingisgood,it'shealthy.Ithinkit'salittlebitoverdone.Iseealotofcoachesnowrecommending45-50minutesoffoamrolling.

Dave: Whohastimeforthat?

Mike: Idon't,andIworkinagym.Imean,Idon'tthinktheaveragepersondoes.

Dave: WhatIdo,forwhateverit'sworth,IputthefoamrollerontheBulletproofVibe,

Mike: That'sawesome.

Dave: AndthenIroll,andyoudon'tneed45minutesofthat,because30timesasecond[inaudible]

Mike: Yeah,it'sgettingintheredeeperthananyotherfoamroller,Icandefinitelyseethat.

Dave: Yeah,andtheBulletproofVibeisthe,IrealizeI'msayingthis,butsomepeopleIthinkdon'tknow,it'sthewholebodyvibrationplatformthatBulletproofmakesthatvibrates30timesasecond,whichisthekindoffrequencythatNASAusesforastronautrecovery.So,Istandononeofthoseeverymorninginfrontofatanninglightinwinter,nottogetanicetan,butjusttogetmyVitaminDandtogettheultravioletlightasasignalintothebody.So,Imightaswellgetthebenefitsofwalkingandmovingandlymphaticdrainageandallthat.

Mike: Andgetatanoutofit.

Dave: Yeah,butI'llroll,ifIknowIhaveanadhesion,I'llrollwiththevibration.Andit'sprettyintense.

Mike: Ohyeah.That'sgoingtobelikeadeeptissuemassage.

Dave: Andthere'salso,someoftherollershavethoselike,nobsonthem.

Mike: OhGod,thetorturedevices.

Dave: AndI'llputoneofthoseontheVibeandit'slike,"Ahhh!"IfIcanhandleit,Iknowit'sgoingtobreakuptheadhesion,butImightmakesomeoddsoundswhenIdothat.

Mike: Well,atleastyou'reinthelab,you'reoutofthehouse.

Dave: Exactly.Lana’swakingupatmidnight,"Whatarethescreamscomingfromthelabs?"Whatabout,anythingelseinthere,you'renotanacupuncturist,Imean,isthereanythingthatyourecommendforpeople,anyothertechthatyou'reusing?

Mike: We'veactuallyfoundusingsomeofthediscsonacupuncturepointscausedaneffect.

Dave: Partofme'slike,alright,Iabsolutelyknowthatyoucangetasignalintothebody,andI'mnotclearonsomeofthenuancesofhowthisactuallydoes,likeIcantheoreticallyguess.Butalso,isitpossiblethatthere'ssomesortofmarketingmumbojumbo?Ifyounamesomething,thisisthe[inaudible]frequency,likeyou'regoingtoimmediatelysellabunchofthese,butthisguydoesn'tevenreally,doeshesell,likeyouhavetobeacertified[inaudible]…

Mike: Yeah,youhavetobecertifiedthroughthecompany.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: Yeah,youhavetoworkfor[crosstalk]…

Dave: So,there'snotmulti-levelmarketing?

Mike: Nope.ThankGod,Iwas[inaudible]…

Dave: "Nope,you'reoutofhere!"Iknowallthatcrapontheshow,foravarietyofreasons,but,

Mike: No,there'snoneofthat.There'sno,youcan'tcallmeupandI'llmailthemtoyou.Thatdoesn'thappen.

Dave: Okay,gooddeal.Sobasically,youfindsomeonewho'sthroughpremiersportstrainers,massagetherapists,whohasthesethings?

Mike: So,alotofmassagetherapistswereinthecourse,chiropractorsweretakingthecourse.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: Whoelsewasinthere?Primalreflexpeople.

Dave: Okay.Somovementcoaches.

Mike: Movementcoaches,anyonewhodealswithsofttissueinjuries.

Dave: Right.Thoseareaminoneurofrequency?

Mike: Yeah.

Dave: Alright.Andagainguys,Imentionproductsallthetime,likecooltech.I'veneverevenmetthiscompany.Ilearnedabouttheseafewdaysago.I'mlike,"Oh,let'stalkaboutthis."

Mike: Yeah.

Dave: Icannotvouchforthem,butIcantellyouthatifMikesaysthathe'sseeingthemworkwithproathletesandwithhimself,Mikedoesn'tmessaroundso,oneofmytechniquesasabio-hackeris,Igowiththetrustedexpertswhotestthestuffout,andItestalotofstuffmyself.So,I'llbeplayingaroundwithsomeofthese.I'massumingyou'rewillingtoleavemeafew.

Mike: Ohyeah,yeah,yeah.

Dave: Yeah.

Mike: I'llthrowafewonyoubeforeIleave.Makesurethey'reintherightspot.

Dave: AndIplayedwiththemlastnight.So,thisisnotafull-on,"Oh,thesearegreat!"

Mike: Yeah,notanendorsementbyanystretchoftheimagination.

Dave: Yeah,butyouwouldsaythattheywork,andso,

Mike: Ithinkthey'reagame-changer,personally.

Dave: Alright,let'sseeelectricalstim,Ithinkyouhave[inaudible]vibrationwithyourathletes,okay.Whatotherstuff,aretheytrainingwithweights?Ormostlysprints,like,tellmemoreaboutwhat'smakingthemostprogressintheleastamountoftimeontheproathletes?

Mike: So,withthoseguys,Imean,obviouslyIhavetheluxurytobreakdowneverything,andtheycanspendmoretimeinthegymifnecessary.

Dave: Yeah.

Mike: Ihavesomeguyswhocomeintwiceaday,justbecauseit's,iftheyneedtoloseweight,let'ssayaguycomesofftheseason,he'stoobig.Sowecandosomething,wehavetheluxuryofdoingenergysystemsinthemorning,weighttrainingatnight.So,it'sreallydriventowhattheathleteneeds,orwhatthebodyneeds.So,Idoalotofweighttrainingwithpeople.That'sthewayIwastaught.

Dave: Right.

Mike: Andit'swhatIlikedoing,it'swhatI'veseenthemostbangforthebuckfor.There'sareasonwhywestillhavebarbellsanddumbbells.Theywork.

Dave: Youpeopleusedtousegravity.It'ssoold-fashioned.

Mike: Ithinkit'sthemostpowerfulforceinphysics.

Dave: Andhowdoyougetthestrongest,orIsaythemostusefulsignalintothebodyintheleastamountoftime?That'swhatIwant,that'swhatwe'redoingatBulletproofLabsaswell.

Mike: Mm-hmm(affirmative).

Dave: Likeisthereawayaroundthoselimitations?ButIthinkforproathletes,there'ssomethingtobesaidforworkingatthespeedofgravity.

Mike: Andthere'ssomethingtobesaidjustforgettingGod-awfulstrong,andgettingstrongintherightposition.

Dave: Andthisisofcourse,aguywhocouldobviouslybenchpressme,so.AndI'mnotexactlyasmallguy,so.

Mike: Maybesquathim.

Dave: Thereyougo.ButIdidkickyourassinping-pong.

Mike: Yes,youdid.Therewasnot,notevenclose.IthinkIlostby18pointsinagameto12.Idon'tknowhowthathappened.

Dave: Soyoucouldsquashmelikeagrapeinyourbicep,butwhenitcomestoping-pong…!Alright,let'ssee,andyouareteachingthesemuscleactivationthings.

Mike: Yes.

Dave: Youjustsetupsomenewcourses.AndifIremember,it'ssomethingaboutyou,peanutbutter,somethinglikeUPB,Idon'trememberthefullthing.

Mike: LetterUPerformBetterInstitute.So,ifyou'reinterestedinfindinganyinformation,we'regoingtostartsettingupseminars.Thee-mailwe'regoingtobeusingrightnowisinfo#upbinstitute.com.

Dave: Alright,gooddeal,andI'llputthatintheshortnotesforyou.Thisiscuttingedgestuff,andMike,I'veknownhimfor,Godthisisgoingonsixyearsnow,

Mike: Yeah.

Dave: You'vedone40YearsofZenwithme,andjustatrustedresource.IfIwasinjured,he'soneoftheguysIwouldcall.Andifthere'ssomethingweirdgoingon,I'dbelike,"Hey,youheardaboutthis?"So,IjustwantedtointroduceyouguystoMike.Ifyou'reattheconference,you'vealreadyprobablyseenhim,Buthe'soneofthoseguyswho'sinthetrencheslookingatwhatworksandwhatdoesn'twork.

NowMike,Ihaven'thadachancetoaskyouthequestionforBulletproofRadio,whichhopefullyyouhaven'tpreparedaheadoftimefor,becausethenit'snofun.Alright,sosomeonecomestoyoutomorrowandsays,"Hey,IwanttoperformbetterateverythingIdoinlife,notjustmysport.Whatarethethreemostimportantthingsyouhavetoofferme?"Whatwouldyousay?

Mike: Numberone,educateyourself.Findoutwhatyouneedtodotogettothenextlevel.

Dave: Alright.

Mike: Andthat'sineveryaspectofyourlife,Imean,whetherthatbework,school,findoutwhereyou'relacking.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: Soessentially,insteadofeducatingyourself,we'llsaybewillingtolookatyourweaknesses.

Dave: Okay.

Mike: So,Ifeellikethat'smuchmoreimportant.Becauseyourweaknessesarealwayswhatholdyouback.Achainisonlyasstrongasitsweakestlink.

Dave: Andthenyousaytraintheweaknesses?

Mike: Yeah,traintheweaknesses,Imean,justlikeany,don'tloseyourstrengths,butbringupyourweaknesses.Andthat'sthebalancingact,that'sverydifficultformostpeopletodo.

Dave: Mm-hmm(affirmative),okaythat'sone.

Mike: That'sone.Ithoughtthatwasthree.No,I'mjustkidding.So,twomore.Anotheronewouldprobablybedon'tgettoofullofyourself.

Dave: Alright,sosomeego.

Mike: Becausethesizeofyourfuneralisgoingtodependontheweather.IlearnedthatonefromAlVermille.Andthethirdoneisbasically,goodthingsin,goodthingsout.So,takecareofyourbody.Youonlygetone,andthecostoftakingcareofthisbodyisalotlessthanthecostoffixingthebody.

Dave: Goodthingsin,youmean,eatright?

Mike: Eatright,taketherightsupplements,dotherightthingsforyourbody.

Dave: Okay,sotakecareofthehardware.Gotcha.So,thefirstone'sinteresting,andnormallyI'mjustlike,"Oh,that'scool."AndI'mnotjudgingtheseatall,butitjustmademethink,soalotofthefirsthalfofmycareerwasallaboutaddressingmyweaknesses.Andlike,Iwasn'tgoodatpublicspeaking.Irealizelike,I'dgointothis,I'dhavenoideawhatIsaid,becauseI'mkindofterrified,butI'lldoitanyway,tothepointthat,IguessIshouldbecomeateacherthen.Right?SoItaughtforfiveyears,andIbecametheheadofglobalevangelismforbilliondollarcompanies,whereIhaveasenseofjoygoingonstage,notasenseoffear.

Butthatwasaddressingweakness.ButIalsointhelatterhalfofthetimeI'vebeenworkingandall,I'veactuallybecomereallygoodatidentifyingmyweaknesses.Butinsteadoftryingtobecomeaverage,whichifyouputalotofeffortintoaweakness,you'llget,"Okay,that'skindofokay."Iactuallydecidedtofocusonlyonmystrengthsandtooutsourcemyweaknesses.

Mike: Nice.

Dave: Which,it'sadifferentperspectiveonthat,butifyoudon'tknowwhereyou'reweak,likeyou'rehosed.

Mike: Yeah.

Dave: Right?ButIjustrealizedprojectmanagement,IknewIwasweak,soIneedtobecomeacertifiedprojectmanager.Liketheproblemis,doingstuffthatyou'renotverygoodat,youmaygodownthat,okayyoubecomegoodatpublicspeakingandthenyoubecomeproficientandthenyoubecomelike,"OhGod,Ireallygetjoyfromthis."Butmorelikely,you'relike,"Wow,noI'mcertified,IknowallthestepsforprojectmanagementandwhenIdoit,Idon'tlikemylife."Right?So,Ilearnedthataboutprojectmanagement.Andso,Icouldbeamediocreprojectmanager.Andtherearepeoplethatarelike,"Iwakeupinthemorning,IjustloveIhaveacomplexprojectandIhaveGantcharts,andlikeohmyGod,I'msoexcited."AndI'mlike,"Couldyoujuststickapencilinmyeye?"Icannotmakemyselfcare.

So,mytakeonthatwas,itwasinteresting,becauseI'vegonebothwaysonthat.Soitmademethinkaboutthosetwosidesofthecoin.

Mike: OnethingIwasthinkingaboutsomeonelikemyselfbeingahard-headedIrishmanthatIam,sometimesthequickestwaytowhereyouwanttogettoisthroughcollaboration.

Dave: Yeah.

Mike: Andthat'salwaysbeentheissueforme,solikewiththisUPerformBetter,I’mactuallyworkingwithmygoodfriendSteveMurato,who'sbringingatonofinformationtothetablethatIfeelis,he'sgoingtobalancemeoutverywell.

Dave: Well,there'scertainlysomethingtobesaidthatyou'resomewherearoundguest450,Ithinkmaybe440-somethingdependingonwhenwegetthisout.

Mike: Nice.Nice.

Dave: Butyeah,collaboratingtolearnafewthingsmightbeuseful,becauseI'veneverheardofaminoneurofrequencies,

Mike: Exactly.

Dave: Andyou'vetaughtmesometrickswiththeelectricalstimmachinetoo,thatIdidn'tknow.Iwouldjustsaycultivatingrelationshipswithpeoplewhoknowallthestuffyoudon'tknow,it'senrichingifnothingelse,right?

Mike: Well,there'stoomuchtolearnitallyourself,so.

Dave: Yeah.

Mike: Awesome.

Dave: Beautiful.WellMike,thanksforbeingontheshow.YouguysarelisteningtoMikeHoban,who'sbasedinNewJerseyandtrainsproathletesandsomesemi-proathletes,and

Mike: Andnormalpeopletoo.

Dave: Andnormalpeopletoo,andjustknowsalotofcoolstuff.WaymorethanI'vefoundinatypicalsportstrainerwhichiswhyyou'reontheshow.So,thanksagain,Mike.

Mike: Awesome,thankyouagainforhavingme.

Dave: Ifyouliketoday'sshow,youknowwhattodo.HeadonovertoiTunes,andyougotoBulletproof.com/iTunes,soyoudon'thavetodoanythinkingaboutit,andthat'lltakeyourighttothepageforBulletproofradioandjustleaveareview.Ittakesliterallylike,fivesecondstoexpresssomegratitudethatway.Andifyou'vebeenlisteningforalittle

while,youknowthatgratitudeisactuallyoneofthesimplestthingsyoucandotochangeyourmindstate.So,ifyouactuallysaidthanksbyleavingareview,hey,you'regoingtogetmygratitudebecauseIlookatthatstuffeverydayjusttoseehowI'mdoing.Andifyouthinkthattheshowisn'twhatyouwantittobe,oryoudidn'tgetsomevalueoutofthis,oryou'renotgoingtowalkaroundpressinginacirclearoundyourbellybutton,postonFacebook.Like,tellmewhatyouwant.I'mtotallyallears.

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