from the lmc conference
TRANSCRIPT
BMJ
From The LMC ConferenceSource: The British Medical Journal, Vol. 281, No. 6233 (Jul. 12, 1980), pp. 159-166Published by: BMJStable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/25440588 .
Accessed: 28/06/2014 08:26
Your use of the JSTOR archive indicates your acceptance of the Terms & Conditions of Use, available at .http://www.jstor.org/page/info/about/policies/terms.jsp
.JSTOR is a not-for-profit service that helps scholars, researchers, and students discover, use, and build upon a wide range ofcontent in a trusted digital archive. We use information technology and tools to increase productivity and facilitate new formsof scholarship. For more information about JSTOR, please contact [email protected].
.
Digitization of the British Medical Journal and its forerunners (1840-1996) was completed by the U.S. NationalLibrary of Medicine (NLM) in partnership with The Wellcome Trust and the Joint Information SystemsCommittee (JISC) in the UK. This content is also freely available on PubMed Central.
BMJ is collaborating with JSTOR to digitize, preserve and extend access to The British Medical Journal.
http://www.jstor.org
This content downloaded from 193.105.245.71 on Sat, 28 Jun 2014 08:26:06 AMAll use subject to JSTOR Terms and Conditions
BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL 12 JULY 1980 159
tr?m the LmC Conference
GMSC chairman reports on pay, certification, and ancillary staff
Reporting on the work of the General Medical Services Com
mittee, Dr R A Keable-Elliott recalled that in 1977 the conference had made two
important decisions?to keep
*mmm^m^HmMw^w tne Review Body system and
about the system and the
juniors walked out of it.
There had been some dissidents among GPs. He remembered
one angry representative coming to the microphone and saying "The trouble with Dr Keable-Elliott and with the GMSC is it is always jam tomorrow." So, said Dr Keable-Elliott, it gave
him pleasure to say that this is jam. day today. The Tenth Report of the Review Body had increased average
net income by 32-15% and practice expenses by 26*85%.
Fortunately, the relationship between practice expenses and
target net income was now so close that it would not be necessary to explain again the difference between gross and net. This was,
he emphasised, the final phase of a catching-up period. The
profession was not overtaking comparable groups; it was
merely drawing level with them. The money was due to doctors.
Every GP present should have an increase of at least ?3000 a
year and for many the increase would be nearer ?4000 or ?5000. The trainees had been disappointed that their supplement
had not been increased. Dr Keable-Elliott pointed out that if
there was medical unemployment the hours worked by juniors would decrease and so would their UMTs and he would not be surprised if in a year or two's time junior hospital doctors were asking for the 15% additional money which GP trainees received. Practice expenses, which now stood at ?6850, reflected far more accurately the true expenses of practitioners.
When the budget had been announced it was obvious that the
increase in petrol and VAT would hit GPs. So he had written to the chairman of the Review Body inviting him to take the additional factors into account when fixing expenses for 1980-1
and the Review Body had agreed. Because of the delay in the
publication of the report the negotiators had been able to
anticipate budget changes and ensure that GPs received a fair
sum. In his view Dr Keable-Elliott said that the new chairman, Sir Robert Clark, was an independent thinker who would not
be unduly influenced by the Government, which was good, and perhaps not unduly influenced by the profession, which
was not so good. In looking to the future he drew attention to three statements
in the report. The first was "Detailed comparisons with earning movements will have a less direct role to play in our delibera
tions." He viewed any move away from the Earnings Survey and comparable earnings with disquiet.
Secondly, there was the statement "Next year we hope to be
able to base our recommendations on a more detailed exam
ination of the value of pension arrangements." Dr Keable
Elliott said he had no reason to believe that doctors would lose
index linking. But there was no doubt that the value of the
pension would be assessed and taken into account. The third statement was "The total remuneration package comprehends levels of direct pay, pension benefits and fringe benefits with
such unquantifiable benefits as job security and job satisfaction."
Not only would the Review Body take into account job satis
faction and job security but possibly the general prestige of
being a doctor. It would, he warned, be necessary to look
closely at the thinking of the new Review Body in the year ahead.
Last year Gateshead had proposed "That
social security certificates for periods of
incapacity of three days or less be abolished
with effect from 1 January 1980." That was
not achieved on 1 January but it had been
achieved now. There would be no three-day certificates and there would be no linkage. It
had been abolished by an Act of Parliament
and it would be law by September. The
profession had not been consulted before the
publication of the Green Paper, which was,
however, a discussion document. It did not
reflect Government policy and the Govern
ment had given an assurance that it would
discuss the details with the profession. At a
preliminary meeting with Mr Reg Prentice,
The Conference of Representatives of
Local Medical Committees met on 25
and 26 June. Dr W B Whowell was in the chair and was re-elected for
1980-1. Dr John Noble was re-elected
deputy chairman. Last week (p 89) we
published some of the conference's
decisions. This week we publish a
report of the speech by the GMSC chairman, Dr R A Keable-Elliott, who
announced his retirement at the con
ference dinner, and reports on some
of the debates.
Minister of State for Social Security, Dr Keable-Elliott said that he had put three
points. Firstly, it remained the objective of the profession if possible to do away with
medical certification altogether. In the short term any legislation introduced by the
Government must lead to a reduction in
certification, and anything that could result in an increase would be totally unacceptable. Secondly, the profession would not agree to the detailed diagnosis of a patient's illness
being statutorily available to the employer. Thirdly, the profession would not accept a
statutory obligation to issue medical certificates
{continued on page 160)
This content downloaded from 193.105.245.71 on Sat, 28 Jun 2014 08:26:06 AMAll use subject to JSTOR Terms and Conditions
160 BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL 12 JULY 1980
Remuneration and expenses
Delay in Review Body report
Kent LMC was unsuccessful in persuading the conference to support its motion regretting "that the Review Body Report was once more
not published at its appointed time," and
reproving the GMSC "for its apparent unconcern at the delay." According to Dr L P
Ribet, the uncertainty caused by not knowing the timing or the content of the report was
wearisome, particularly to GPs. As independent contractors they needed to know what extra
money they could expect in the future. The
GMSC seemed to have done little to try and
expedite publication of the report. Dr Keable
Elliott pointed out that the Review Body's recommendations went to the Prime Minister,
who had to make a decision after consulting the Cabinet and others. That took time. There
would always be a delay of about three weeks
but the negotiators had urged that this delay should be reduced to a minimum. The alterna
tive was for the report to be published in
February or March but the indices on which
incomes were compared did not come out until
late Spring so that if there were an earlier
report the profession would receive less money. Dr D K Bose (Wolverhampton) wanted the
GMSC "to be aware of the gradual increasing differential within the profession when placing their evidence to the Review Body next year."
His LMC was concerned at the gap that had
emerged between the average net target remuneration and the maximum point of
consultants' remuneration. In 1976 it was
?2096; in 1977 ?2079; in 1978 ?2299; in 1979 ?1932; and in 1980 ?3580. Furthermore,
average net target remuneration included a
figure of ?1069 in respect of items not recieved
by all GPs, and just over a third of consultants
From the LMC (continued from page 159)
free of charge to employers. Mr Prentice
wished to come to a satisfactory understanding with the profession. Other people were
concerned and a meeting was being arranged with the CBI and there would also be one
with the TUC. After that negotiators would return to the Government with their views.
Related ancillary staff
On related ancillary staff the profession's view remained what it had always been?
namely, that there should be no differentation
in payment between related and unrelated
staff. But Ministers would not agree to this.
They had shown a duplicity in the matter
which was deplorable. They had declined to
allow 70% reimbursement for related staff.
Two years ago the profession had made a
breakthrough when the related staff of rural
doctors received an allowance. The scheme
had now been extended to the related staff of
all doctors who held a recognised nursing
degree and carried out some nursing duties.
It was totally illogical that it should be
confined to staff with a nursing degree. The
question before the conference was whether
it believed that what the Government had
received a merit award of some form, so the
gap was actually wider.
In principle, Dr Keable-Elliott accepted the motion. Dr Bose had compared the average
net income of the GP with the top of the
consultant grade, whereas the average net
income of a GP was higher than the bottom of
the consultant grade but the GMSC would
look into it. The motion was carried.
Proposing "that the target net income should
relate solely to general medical services," Dr
R V H Jones (Devon) said that general medical
services were what every GP gave and the job had been recognised as a specialty. Target net
income must relate to the everyday work of all
GPs. Unless items of service and other things included in target net income were cut away
GPs' overall income would not rise as they took on more work and responsibility. Dr
Keable-Elliott accepted the motion on the
understanding that the desire was that the
Review Body should make it clear what was
being paid for medical services. The Review
Body compared the medical profession with
other professions and it was to the advantage of GPs that they should be so compared. In
making that comparison other professions took on other duties and responsibilities and
he would not want the Review Body to leave
that out of their calculations in fixing the
medical profession's level of remuneration.
The motion was carried.
Practice expenses
In the section on practice expenses Dr J Ruffell (Kent) moved: "That this conference
has no confidence in the methods used by the
offered should be accepted, which was a
move forward, or whether it should be
rejected. At present the allowance paid was
half of 70% of the average salary. The same
allowance would be paid in the extended
scheme (28 June, p 1638), which was for those
in post on 1 January 1980. It would operate from 1 October but payments would not
start until 1 April 1981 as the Government
had only agreed to the scheme on the under
standing that it would not cost additional
money. The money was coming out of indirect
practice expenses and the Government had
to work out the necessary adjustments. Dr Keable-Elliott said that Dr Gerard
Vaughan had agreed that if patients going abroad required drugs the GP could charge them for issuing the prescription. He had
also agreed in principle that a fee might be
accepted from a third party for work con
nected with referral of patients to a private consultant provided that the GMSC and the
provident associations could reach agreement on how to operate the arrangement. Discussions
were going on and he hoped for a satisfactory outcome later in the year.
In conclusion the GMSC chairman issued
a warning. The pattern of medicine, he said, was changing and the GPs' position had
Review Body on Doctors' and Dentists'
Remuneration to determine practice expenses." The present system used by the Review Body to determine practice expenses, he said, was
insensitive to the rapid monetary fluctuations
of many of the factors affecting expenses, such as motoring expenses, inflation, and fuel costs.
Replying to the criticism, Dr Michael Wilson
explained that the Review Body received
statistical data from the Technical Sub
committee based on Inland Revenue inquiries. These gave firm figures for average expenses of a sample which included 1200 to 1300 tax
returns. But that was two years out of date so
provisional figures for the following year from a sample of approximately 300 returns were
also used. The Review Body then had to
project from 1978-9 to 1979-80 with only the
price movements as a guide and from 1979-80 to 1980-1 with a forecast of the inflation for
the year ahead. Over the 11-year period the
figures from the Inland Revenue inquiry were
a check on the estimates that the Review Body had made of practice expenses each year. The
highest ever was in 1976, when the profession was overpaid by 3-5% on practice expenses.
The motion was lost.
Dr I Smith (Merton, Sutton and Wands
worth) wanted the conference to request the
GMSC "to investigate the possibility of
average expenses reimbursement being cal
culated on an area rather than a national basis."
But this was lost after Dr Wilson had warned
that breaking the information down too much
meant that it was not statistically valid.
Angus Division was successful in its request "that direct reimbursement of expenses for
general practitioners should be investigated."
changed. For him a good GP was one to
whom a patient could turn for help with a
medical or social problem. Giving some
examples of change he said that in the past if a
patient had an obstetric problem she turned to her GP?now many women went to
consultant units; if there were problems over
baby feeding or immunisation mothers would
go to their GP?now they turned first to the
health visitor; if there was a social problem
patients might now turn to a social worker; for a medical problem at an inconvenient
hour they might turn to a deputising service; and if it were a medical problem at a reasonable
hour some might even turn to organisations such as Medicover.
So long as the GP was head of the primary care team, Dr Keable-Elliott declared, he was
not worried. But when he was just a member
of the primary care team and to the patient not the most important member then there were problems ahead. It was sometimes said
that the LMC Conference concerned itself too
much with money and terms and conditions
of service and not enough with the care of
patients. Dr Keable-Elliott did not accept
that, for the former was one of the conference's
tasks. But it should not be a task which was
followed to the preclusion of all else and he
asked the conference to bear that in mind
during the ensuing debates.
This content downloaded from 193.105.245.71 on Sat, 28 Jun 2014 08:26:06 AMAll use subject to JSTOR Terms and Conditions
BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL 12 JULY 1980 161
National Insurance certification
Vote of censure defeated
From North Tyneside, Dr W K Deegan moved : "That this conference proposes a vote
of no confidence in the chairman of the GMSC
because in his action in unilaterally revoking the policy re certification as laid down by the
profession he exceeded his powers."
Dr Keable-Elliott speaking during the censure motion on certification.
The strong wording of the motion, Dr
Deegan said, reflected his LMC's long
standing feeling of intense dissatisfaction with
the GMSC's handling of certification. It also
ensured that the motion would be lost. Had
the information given by Dr Keable-Elliott in
his speech (p 159) been available earlier it was
unlikely that the motion would have been
tabled. On two occasions in the past six years the GMSC had had clear mandates to act. On
neither occasion had it done so by the stipulated date and his LMC had thought that the GMSC
was not prepared to enter into a conflict with
the DHSS on the matter. The latest informa
tion now proved that such concerns had been
misplaced. As a matter of principle, however, the
GMSC and its leadership had the power to
reverse major policy decisions without first
consulting LMCs. The general practitioners of North Tyneside were the staunchest
supporters in any action instigated by the
GMSC. Perhaps they might be forgiven the
luxury of a little loss of confidence when
confronted with the facts which had been
available to them at the time. Dr Deegan said
that he moved the motion "with no pleasure." Saddened to see the motion on the agenda,
Dr I Bogle (Liverpool) said that mud, once
cast, would stick if the matter was not debated*
His committee believed in the abolition of
short-term certification but what would have
be?n the consequences if unilateral action had
been taken on 1 January? It would have
jeopardised the negotiations and it would have
made certain that the Government would not
have agreed to implement the Review* Body award. If the conference wanted* the GMSC
chairman to be an "unthinking?puppet" then
he wanted to be counted out. They needed, and had, a man of'Vision and integrity. The
motion was untimely; unfair, and totally
unacceptable.
According to Dr J H Marks (GMSC), the motion showed a monumental misunderstand
ing of the powers of the GMSC chairman.
He could not deny that the GMSC had not
carried out the conference's policy to the letter
but the motion spoke of the "unilateral action
of the chairman." It had been the unanimous
view of the GMSC that the profession should
be recommended not4 to stop certifying on 1
January. Dr Keable-Elliott expressed his gratitude to
the conference and to the mover of the motion for the temperate way he had put it. The
Government had agreed that three-day certification and linkage should be abolished.
This would be done by Act'of Parliament at
the earliest convenient moment. Had this been
thrown back the Minister of Health and his
party would have been alienated and it would
have given ammunition to the Opposition, who
would vote against the bill. Any doctor who
did not issue a certificate would have been in
breach of his terms of service. Remuneration
would have been withheld. To have taken
industrial action in support of individual
doctors would have severely prejudiced the
Review Body report. There was another reason. In January junior doctors and some of
their consultant colleagues had been taking action at Charing Cross Hospital to break
industrial action by workers who were trying to prevent oil going in. Where would the
profession have stood if GPs had started
industrial action at a time when their colleagues were trying to break it ? Not one person on the
GMSC had dissented from the action pro
posed. He had written to every GP setting out
the position. If North Tyneside GPs had felt so
strongly they could have invited him or one
of the negotiators to explain the position.
They could have asked for a special conference.
He was saddened at the motion but did not
want the conference to vote against it on
emotive grounds. The motion was lost unanimously and the
GMSC chairman given a standing ovation.
Another motion from North Tyneside was
also turned down unanimously: "That this
conference is appalled at the action of the
chairman and members of the GMSC in
failing to apply the mandate given them to
cease short-term certification on 1 January 1980. We demand that the policy regarding short-term certification as passed by con
ference be instituted forthwith." Dr Deegan said that he was pleased that the second part of
the motion was already in hand. Dr A Lask
(Ealing, Hammersmith, and Hounslow)
opposed the motion, which asked for some
thing to be done straight away. He was against short-term certification but the conference
should not "upset the applecart and stop
signing these wretched certificates." Dr W
Keith Davidson (GMSC) pointed out that it was because of pressure from the GMSC that
legislation was now going through the House
of Commons which virtually abolished short term certification. It would be folly to ask for an immediate decision. By September it
would be the law of the land.
Then Dr D J Strath (Devon) proposed: "That it is deplored that the abolition of
short-term NHS certificates has not yet been
achieved." Dr Keable-Elliott pointed out
that in the Bill [Health Services Bill] now
going through Parliament anybody who was
sick for three days would not be entitled to a
certificate; anyone sick for three days in one
week and three days in the following week
would still not be entitled to one. If a person was ill for four days in one week then he would
be entitled to a certificate but would only get sickness benefit for one day. If he was ill for
three days in the following week there was no
linkage and he would not be entitled to a
certificate. If, on the other hand, he was
sick for four days or more within a subsequent six-week period he would get linkage in the
sense that he would receive enhanced benefits
but the certification remained the same. On
being put to the vote the motion was lost.
From Cornwall and the Isles of Stilly
..W????????; ^B^m??????mm??Hm/ / :LJr ,.....,J.. K* - j
mm ' ̂ HmHHHv i ^ wW^f '%.% ^b?:?m
Thtf secretary of the GMSC, M&s Lavin?a M?ddings; the chairman of the conference, Dr Brian Whowell^ and the deputy chairman, Dr John Noble.
This content downloaded from 193.105.245.71 on Sat, 28 Jun 2014 08:26:06 AMAll use subject to JSTOR Terms and Conditions
162 BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL 12 JULY 1980
Dr D J Hudson proposed: "That this con
ference demands the removal from the terms
of service of all National Insurance certifica
tion." The GMSC had not made much
progress, he said, because so long as there was a National Insurance scheme somebody had to give certificates. GPs were the best
people but the terms under which they were
given were debatable. Opposing the motion, Dr
M J Illingworth (Forth Valley) thought that in
certain circumstances it was right and proper that a patient's entitlement to benefit should
be certified expeditiously. Having looked at
his own certification for a week recently,
however, he had found that of 10 issued on a
Monday morning, nine were to allow the
patient to go back to work the following
Monday; most of them were not ill. Dr B D
Morgan Williams (Warwickshire) asked repre sentatives to remind themselves how much
time they spent on certification. If they were
not burdened with this paperwork they would be able to see many more patients. What was in the motion had been conference
policy not long ago. That policy had been
rescinded so that progress could be made
with the actual form of the certificate.
But Dr J Alcock (Fife) supported the motion. All certification was a gross waste of a
GP's time. It caused friction between patients and doctors. If a patient was adamant that he
was unfit for work few doctors would argue. The motion was a difficult one, Dr Keable
Elliott said. If GPs stopped issuing certificates
it would cost the country a lot of money, which would be taken out of the running costs
of the NHS and conceivably out of doctors'
pay packets. He opposed the motion but if it
were passed then it had to be on the under
standing that it was a long-term objective. The motion was lost.
No certificates for seven days or less
A motion from Enfield and Haringey
demanding "the removal from the terms of
service of the requirement to issue National
Insurance certificates for periods of sickness of
less than 14 days," was lost after Dr Keable
Elliott had reminded the conference that the
Government wanted to reduce certification to a
minimum but that 75% of all certificates were
for 14 days or less and that was the period where the heavy financial burden fell. Dr J
Margaret Foot (Croydon) was, however, successful in persuading the meeting to
support "the removal from the terms of
service of the requirement to issue National
Insurance certificates for periods of sickness of
seven days or less."
Dr P M Kinloch (Liverpool), who supported the motion, said that there were times where
it was necessary to give a certificate?some
times even when the patient did not want it. In
an area of high redundancy and unemployment
people sometimes wanted NI certificates for
short periods so that they would not lose their
jobs. If the rules stated three days with no
certificate then people would just stay off for
four days but they would think twice about
staying off for a week.
Asked if after the Bill which related to
three-day certification became law the period could be altered to seven days or 14 days by
regulation, Dr Keable-Elliott, who supported
Croydon's proposal, explained that the
Health Services Bill included a provision for
the abolition of the three-day certificate and
M ' '^ gar
LMC representatives in the Great Hall at BMA House.
linkage. The Bill that the Government would
introduce in the autumn would be an entirely new one covering the whole question of
certification and making radical changes. A
decision would have to be made as to whether
certification was statutory and, if so, for what
periods. "That the terms of service must not be
changed to include the provision of certificates
for the use of employers." Proposing this, Dr G R Outwin said that whatever changes were made two things had to be made plain. Doctors should never accept an obligation to
disclose the cause of incapacity to an employer and the provision of certificates for the
employers' use must not be included in the
terms of service. Dr Keable-Elliott reminded
the conference that it had already agreed that
certification should continue. If the Govern
ment changed it so that certificates were
required by employers instead of th? DHSS
then there would be a potential conflict. If
the employers were prepared to pay a sub
stantial sum of money for this quite a number
of GPs might be prepared to go on issuing certificates. He asked for the motion to be
passed as a reference; Dr Outwin did not
agree and the meeting carried it as a sub
stantive motion.
Resignation rider rejected
Dr B L Alexander then wanted to add as a
rider to the motion, "Such a change
unilaterally enacted by Government would be a resignation issue." This was the first
opportunity, he said, that the conference had
had to discuss the Green Paper, Income
During Initial Sickness: A New Strategy. The
negotiators had told the Secretary of State of
the profession's abhorrence of the proposal to
alter the terms of service in order to enforce
the issue of certificates to employers. He asked
the conference to support the rider to
strengthen the arm of the GMSC chairman.
But Dr Keable-Elliott denied that it would
do so and asked the meeting to oppose the
rider, which it did.
Dr P Stanesby (Enfield and Haringey) moved: "That in the opinion of this con
ference the proposals in the Government's
Green Paper offer no prospect of a realistic reduction in the certification load and are
therefore unacceptable." The regulations had been changed but unfortunately he did not
think that the information had got through to
employers and patients, who were still being pressed by management to provide certificates within two days of being ill. Many employers no doubt felt that they needed documentary evidence for the initial four days in case they subsequently had to pay sickness benefit.
Dr Jane Richards (GMSC) considered that the Green Paper was a licence for every
employer to demand a certificate whenever he wanted one after three days' sickness and it would encourage a vast increase in work load.
In her opinion the proposals could not
realistically reduce work load and should be
completely rejected. As an independent contractor she wanted to provide general
medical services and not a certification service. Dr Keable-Elliott could not accept the motion. The Green Paper was a discussion document and the Government was prepared to discuss it in detail with the profession. The
motion was lost.
Dr G Jones was successful with his motion from Dyfed rejecting paragraph 35 of the
Green Paper, which reads : "If a member of an
occupational sick pay scheme wishes to claim he will normally, as under the State scheme, submit a statement on which his doctor has advised him not to work and indicated the nature of his incapacity. The Government consider it would clearly be right for this
arrangement to continue and they have in mind to propose to the medical profession an
amendment to doctors' terms of service
whereby statements will be available without
charge to people claiming the payment which would be obligatory for a sick pay scheme to
make."
Dr R W Smith (Redbridge and Waltham
Forest) moved: "That this conference con
siders that certificates provided under any new arrangements for sickness certification should not be provided by GPs free of
charge." One or two speakers were against the
motion. But Dr Keable-Elliott was surprised at the opposition. If a doctor did not wish to
charge it was up to him. He accepted the
general principle of the motion and it was
carried. -
This content downloaded from 193.105.245.71 on Sat, 28 Jun 2014 08:26:06 AMAll use subject to JSTOR Terms and Conditions
BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL 12 JULY 1980 163
Vocational training
Dr S E Josse told the meeting that the
GMSC had managed to agree with the
DHSS that a single certificate of prescribed or
equivalent experience would be issued by the
Joint Committee for Postgraduate Training. A recent modification of the Statement of Fees
and Allowances meant that the appointment of
a trainer between one approval date and the
next could be reviewed in the light of cir
cumstances by the GP Advisory Committee.
One matter still unresolved was the position of
doctors unable to become GP trainees because
they had been in practice in the British Isles
for more than a year. The first amendment in the section was
from the Junior Members Forum: "That
vocational training in general practice should
not be a legal requirement." At one time, Dr Alison Hill said, she thought it distasteful
that vocational training should be governed by statute. But there was still a tendency for
general practice to be thought of as a happy rest
ing place for the hospital specialist who did not
make it to the top of Lord Moran's ladder.
Until general practice had the respectability of the hospital specialties and until the RCGP
had acquired the necessary stature to command
that respect, some sort of regulation was
necessary to cement efforts at raising standards.
If vocational training were not mandatory, no
provision would be made to provide and
maintain good training posts in hospital. Dr J W Chisholm (GMSC) said the proposal
was the sort of thing that could only discredit
the Junior Members Forum. If ever an
amendment sought to shut the stable door
after the horse had bolted, this was it. The
Vocational Training Act had been passed and
regulations laid before Parliament.
But Dr M H Stuart (Essex) supported the
amendment. He favoured adequate training and vocational training programmes but the
increasing number of rules and regulations
governing every facet of life was stultifying. The doctor who equipped himself properly for general practice received a vocational
training allowance but that would be lost once
vocational training regulations were in full
swing.
Dr Josse regretted that there was no
representative from the forum. He suspected that it had come as a shock to many hospital oriented doctors that easy access to general
practice would no longer be possible. The
regulations were flexible. Any type of
experience anywhere in the world could be
considered by the joint committee. The crux of
the matter was that no evidence existed to
suggest that without mandatory requirements all doctors would train to the standard
required. The amendment was lost but the meeting
approved a motion from Leeds which noted
with concern "the rigidity of the regulations for entry into general practice for some
doctors fully registered before December
1979," and asked for their future consideration.
Dr B D Morgan Williams (Warwickshire)
proposed: "That there should be more than
one body in charge of any assessment process deemed necessary for accreditation to any future specialist register for general practi tioners." One of the glories of general practice
was its infinite variety, which had depended on the many portals through which a doctor
could make his way to qualification. He
warned the conference that it was open to any academic organisation to set up a course in
higher general practice and for it to become
customary for it to be essential to hold that
qualification before entering practice. It was
never too soon to be on guard against some
thing which would damage the body politic or
the care of patients. Dr Morgan Williams seemed to be saying,
Dr Josse thought, that the RCGP should not
be the body to assess; if so, that was fair. So
far as he was aware, it was no part of the
policy of the GMSC or the Joint Committee
for Postgraduate Training that there should
be terminal assessment. Nor was there any
suggestion that there should be a specialist
register for general practice. The motion was carried.
The conference affirmed its support of the
principle that the number of potential GP
trainees should place no limitation on the
number of GPs approved as trainers, and
instructed the GMSC "to ascertain the
various criteria used in different regions in
respect of the selection of trainers and to
report them to next year's conference."
Dr S M Parrack (Sefton) moved: "That
this conference supports the efforts of the
GMSC in its efforts to secure more training
posts, particularly in obstetrics and paedia trics." Leeds wanted to add "provided that
college approval is maintained," to ensure
that a post continued to be recognised for
educational purposes. Dr J G Ball (GMSC)
opposed the amendment because he said that
the conference had just agreed that there may be several bodies providing approval.
The amendment was lost by 98 votes to 81
and the motion was carried.
Dr M G F Crowe (Leicester) called the
following motion from Clwyd unnecessary: "That this conference ensures that where they are required additional SHO posts should be
made available for vocational training in
general practice by the redesignation of
existing posts." The DHSS and the Man
power Planning Commission, Dr Crowe said, should have sorted out the inevitable con
sequences of obligatory vocational training. Consultants who controlled existing posts seemed to believe that all their SHOs would
try to specialise. They forgot that in the past at least half had become GPs. Dr G Caplan
(Manchester) also opposed the motion. If an
increased number of posts were necessary to
support a training programme, they should be new posts and in sufficient number so that
hospital experience took two years and no
longer. Dr Josse was confused by what was meant
by redesignation of existing posts. If it were
simply a question of altering the nomenclature
of the post it might be acceptable, provided the underlying educational remit within the
post was maintained. Nationally there were
sufficient hospital junior posts to suffice for
the vocational training of GPs, though there were pockets where there were difficulties,
particularly in obstetrics and gynaecology and
paediatrics. Only about half of those doctors
going into general practice in fact were likely to go through the vocational training scheme.
The other half would do their own thing and
provide their own course.
The motion was lost.
The conference . . .
instructed the GMSC to negotiate superannuate remunera
tion for GPs on district or area management teams irrespective of whether this is attainable for consultants.
decided that patients' signatures should not be required on
night visit forms as this gave a distorted picture of the number
of visits carried out.
asked for an expansion of the panel of doctors available to
act as advisers to the Secretary of State at oral hearings, appeals, and medical advisory committees.
agreed without debate to a request for an investigation of
direct reimbursement of all expenses.
invited the GMSC to negotiate a fee for doctors providing a
casualty service at their surgeries.
regarded the maintenance of an efficient flying squad service
for obstetric emergencies as essential.
GMS defence trusts
Good response from LMCs
DrWGA Riddle, deputy treasurer of the GMS defence trusts, reported that despite an increase in total income of
?37 000 in 1979 only ?31 000 had been transferred to the accumulated fund compared with ?34 000 in the previous year. It had been agreed that the quota to be paid by LMCs would be increased on 1 July 1980 by ?57 000 and,
in the first full year-?1981-?by ?115 000. Even so, because of rising costs, he could give no guarantee that
contributions from local medical committees could be
held at the present level. Of just under ?250 000 due in 1979, only ?874 remained outstanding from two LMCs.
Out of a quota of ?307 000 for 1980 Dr Riddle reported that he had already received over ?150 000. The defence trusts assets exceeded ?l-3m.
This content downloaded from 193.105.245.71 on Sat, 28 Jun 2014 08:26:06 AMAll use subject to JSTOR Terms and Conditions
164 BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL 12 JULY 1980
Rural practice: Clothier standstill supported s,^
Dr J C Oakley (Kent) moved: "That this conference considers that the present Clothier
standstill agreement* should be terminated."
The agreement had become a farce, he said. It was obstructive to the doctor, the pharmacist, and the patient. It was not law and would not
stand up if current regulations were enforced. Dr B D Morgan Williams (Warwickshire) said he had never liked the standstill. It was a
fix between two professions to the dis
advantage of the patient. But he opposed the
motion because if the standstill were to be
disrupted by the profession it would stir up a
hornet's nest.
Dr Michael Wilson, chairman of the Rural Practices Subcommittee.
Dr A J Rowe (GMSC) thought the stand still had led to a much more stable position than had ever existed between the two
professions. The standstill had not been a
farce, Dr Michael Wilson said. It had been
extremely successful. Those concerned had
worked patiently over the last five years to secure agreement in the Clothier Committee, and he urged the conference to be patient a little longer. The motion was lost.
The conference endorsed a motion from
Cambridgeshire calling on the GMSC "to give its unequivocal reassurance that adequate
compensation will be obtained by any doctor
whose right to dispense is curtailed." Dr Michael Wilson, chairman of the Rural
Practices Subcommittee, pointed out that the
GMSC did not have funds to compensate doctors but it was the policy that adequate
compensation should be achieved for any doctor whose right to dispense was curtailed.
But there were problems. He accepted the
motion but the GMSC was unable to give the
unequivocal reassurance asked for. The
motion was carried.
When the National Joint Committee of the Medical and Pharmaceutical Professions on the
Dispensing of NHS Prescriptions in Rural Areas
(Clothier Committee) reported in 1977 there had
already been a voluntary standstill on rural
dispensing arrangements since October 1975. The two professions had agreed that the stand still should continue so long as progress was
being made towards implementing the recom
mendations of the Clothier Report. A clause has been included in the Health Services Bill, now
going through Parliament, which will enable the recommendations to be implemented through regulations.
Dr M J L Mort (Highland) asked the GMSC "to negotiate the application, of the
formula used by the Scottish Medical Practices
Committee (in assessing whether or not an
area is underdoctored) in calculating list size to determine eligibility for full basic practice,
supplementary practice, group practice
allowances, etc." He referred to the problem of
the singlehanded doctor with a list of about
1500 up to but not exceeding 2000, especially if the work load was increased by temporary residents. The work was too much for one
man. As things stood with a list of less than
2000 it was impossible to get a basic practice
allowance, and without it such a practice was
not viable for two men.
If the motion was passed, Dr R S C
Fergusson (Scottish GMSC) suggested, it
would do more to raise morale and take the
pressure off a number of singlehanded practi tioners than any other motion on the agenda.
Of the 80 odd practitioners in Scotland who
would be eligible, only about 50 would take
advantage of it because the Scottish MPC
Speaking to one of the motions, D.r B D Morgan Williams from Warwick shire.
still had to be satisfied that there was a need
for another doctor.
Dr Michael Wilson said that there were
about 500 doctors in Britain?urban and
rural?who did not receive a full basic practice allowance. If every one received it the cost
would be about ?160 000. The motion was
carried.
Cameron Fund seeks co-operation of LMCs
The general activity of the Cameron
Fund, which was set up 10 years ago to relieve poverty, hardship, and
distress among general practitioners and their dependants, showed a
' marked increase in the past year and
reached its highest level to date. The number of new applicants for assist
ance more than doubled when com
pared with the previous year and
nearly 50 visits were made to families
in different parts of the country. For
the first time disbursements totalled more than ?80 000, representing an
increase of 30% over the previous
year. Income also increased, though at a lower rate. At the annual general
meeting of the Cameron Fund during the LMC Conference the chairman,
Dr P J Bryce-Curtis, emphasised that LMCs should notify the fund if they knew of families who could benefit.
Related ancillary staff
In his opening speech Dr Keable-Elliott had
explained the latest proposals to extend the
related ancillary staff scheme to ,all doctors
(p 160). The following motion from North
umberland had been submitted before the
announcement: "That this conference ex
presses concern at the failure of Government
to agree equitable arrangements for the direct
reimbursement of related ancillary staff and
calls upon the Secretary of State to remove
this injustice forthwith." Dr B D Morgan Williams (Warwickshire) wanted to amend the
motion to add: "and decline to accept the
present DHSS proposals until they shall have
been fully considered by LMCs." Information
on the matter was fragmentary and insufficient,
he said. He was suspicious when the DHSS
conceded something late in the day. If the
amendment was accepted, Dr Keable-Elliott
warned, there would inevitably be a delay. There was no prospect of getting the views of
LMCs back in time to unscramble the process.
According to Dr J H Marks (GMSC), the GMSC had followed the conference's policy
right the way through. It now had to choose to
accept what was offered or to wait. But Dr
R S C Ferguson (Scottish GMSC) said that he could not expect Scottish GPs to accept the
offer without more information. There seemed
no reason why the conference should be
stampeded by the motion. But the amendment
was lost and the main motion carried, though Dr Keable-Elliott thought it was too temperate and Dr B L Alexander thought the piecemeal
approach should be rejected. MPs, he said, were directly reimbursed for the salary they
paid their secretaries and nobody asked whether
they were related, ancillary, or anything else.
This content downloaded from 193.105.245.71 on Sat, 28 Jun 2014 08:26:06 AMAll use subject to JSTOR Terms and Conditions
BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL 12 JULY 1980 165
Underprivileged areas
Dr Mervyn Goodman had chaired a working
party on underdoctored areas and the GMSC
had just considered its report (28 June, p 1639). He said that many of the problem areas were
neither underdoctored nor inner cities and the
working party had suggested that the term
"underprivileged" should be used. GPs should
make inner cities their first choice as they were
areas of high patient demand generated
primarily by social environment. The main,
though not the only, solution was financial and
his working party had considered that payment should be related in some way to the degree of
underprivilege. So it was suggested that a large section of the payments would depend on
where the patient lived rather than on where
the doctor practised. To achieve that an
enhanced capitation fee was proposed based on
enumerated districts of a particular area
representing about 150 families.
In addition there were social factors which
affected the vulnerability of doctors, their
premises, and their possessions. There were
also the local amenities?schools and the
unattractiveness of an area. So the working
party had suggested there should be fixed
allowances. The first was an initial allowance
to attract doctors into the area; one for the
singlehanded practitioner to get him to set up
practice premises of good standard and the
other to compensate a partnership for tem
porary loss of income when it took in another
doctor. Having established themselves in
practice, the doctors should receive a con
tinuing allowance to keep them in the area
and the allowance paid for as long as they remained.
A high turnover of patients was another
factor that increased doctors' work load and
therefore it was appropriate to introduce a
registration fee. That would, of course, be for
the country as a whole. Because of the stress in
those areas it was felt that GPs should be able
to retire at 55 and the pricing of the package should at least reflect a total superannuate income at 55 equal to that of the average GP
at 65, as well as being able to cover other
aspects in those areas, such as the repair of
vandalised property and high wages that had
to be faced.
The following 'A' motion from Sunderland
was carried: "That this conference recognises the urgency of implementing the views of the
working group on underdoctored areas, both
in identifying the factors peculiar to those areas
and in providing financial and other incentives
to doctors who work in them."
Then Dr I Bogle (Liverpool) proposed:
Some conference debates in brief...
Reimbursement for all ancillary staff
was supported by the conference. Proposing
this, Dr D Hunter (Orkney) said that greater reliance was put on ancillary staff in country areas and particularly the Scottish islands.
The GMSC has been urged to make arrange ments to include physiotherapists in the
ancillary staff reimbursement scheme, after
Dr Keable-Elliott said that he rejected the
argument put up by the DHSS that as there
was a shortage of physiotherapists they would
be better employed if hospital-based. Kent
was unsuccessful in its request that
"reimbursement of the employer's 'reasonable*
contribution to private pensions for GP
ancillary staff be structured on a unified
scheme, based on the one operating for
schemes which were accepted by FPCs for
100% reimbursement." Dr L P Ribet pointed out that some GPs were reimbursed 100% and
some 70%. But the matter was not negotiable, the GMSC chairman told him. If a doctor
took on new staff who did not have a pension scheme there was nothing to stop him paying them more than older members of staff so
that they had additional money for their own
pension scheme.
Casualty services provided by GPs in
their surgeries should be paid for just as GPs
receive a fee for casualty services in GP
hospitals. The position now was an anomaly, said Dr M J L Mort (Highland). Rural GPs treated casualties and should continue to do so
because it removed the need for long journeys to hospital. Dr P J Enoch (GMSC) supported the motion. GPs should be encouraged to
provide an accident service if they wanted to.
They should be given nursing help and
financial compensation. Casualty work was
part of the work commitment and should be
paid for, in the view of Dr M F Hudson
(Cheshire). It would encourage more GPs to
do it and in the long run would save money. Dr Keable-Elliott sympathised with the
motion; but what was a casualty ? Some people
might consider a fly in the eye a casualty but
he supposed the motion was referring to deep lacerations and even fractures. There might be a different solution for rural and urban areas.
He suggested the motion should be passed as a
reference and the meeting agreed.
GP obstetricians should not be absolved
from responsibility when women insisted on
being delivered at home in direct contradiction
to medical advice nor absolved from any
liability to the child born at such a confine
ment. The meeting confirmed the status quo in
defeating a motion from East Sussex. Dr M H
Knott wanted the terms of service to be
amended as fewer GPs did home deliveries and
the practical obstetric experience at under
graduate level had decreased. But most of the
speakers opposed the motion. Dr S E Josse
(GMSC) said that providing maternity services implied more than delivery at home; the DHSS could not absolve the doctor from
this provision. Dr L Kopelowitz pointed out
that doctors did not have to accept patients for maternity services if they did not wish.
The only obligation was under paragraph 13
of the terms of service, where they were
required to give services in an emergency. If a
doctor signed someone on for maternity
"That this conference believes that social criteria can be identified in the 'underdoctored' areas and in this respect disagrees with the
report of the joint working party." Once
again, Dr Bogle said, he was addressing the conference in his role as Liverpool's expert on stolen ballcocks, doctor mugging, and obscene
graffiti. The joint working party had rejected the idea of being able to obtain, update, or use
meaningfully social indices with a view to
negotiating a weighting payment. It had stated that it had not been able to devise any single comprehensive criterion and therefore did not
think such payments practicable at present. Educational priority areas had existed for the last eight years. This had resulted in increased income to the teachers concerned and such a
system could be applied to primary health care.
In medically deprived areas the state of
employment, or lack of it; sickness benefit
paid; housing; family size; delinquency; and medical factors, such as mortality rates and
morbidity statistics, could be used. Dr M Wilks (GMSC) welcomed the motion.
As a member of the original working party he
said that recommendations had been submitted to the GMSC which based several allowances and inducement payments for underprivileged areas on social criteria which had yet to be
fully investigated. Dr Goodman said that he was prepared to accept the motion and it was
carried.
services and subsequently regretted it under
regulation 12 he could apply to the FPC to
have that contract terminated; that application could not be refused without the LMC being consulted.
FPCs should inspect premises regularly,
suggested Dr Lionel Kopelowitz (GMSC). He was speaking against a motion calling for
procedures to ensure that FPCs were told
when a GP was practising below the minimum
standards acceptable to be discussed with the
DHSS. If a GP did not provide proper and
sufficient accommodation the FPC already had
the power to bring the matter to the service
committee as a breach of the terms of service.
The conference, however, passed the motion as
a reference to the GMSC on the understanding that it referred to premises after hearing that
Dr G F E Edmondson-Jones (Leicester) had
had to accompany the FPC administrator to
premises which he called "appalling and
filthy." He argued that it was a problem for
the LMC to tackle. The FPC, after consulting the LMC, should be given power to withhold
reimbursement under the rent and rates
scheme and, if necessary, the power to close
the premises.
Community health councils ought not
to be abolished, the conference decided by 114 votes to 79. Dr H C Palin's LMC?
Lancashire?did not support the view in the
annual report that CHCs played an important
part in maintaining good relations between
This content downloaded from 193.105.245.71 on Sat, 28 Jun 2014 08:26:06 AMAll use subject to JSTOR Terms and Conditions
166 BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL 12 JULY 1980
patients and the NHS. In many cases they had initiated complaints to FPCs on behalf of
patients against GPs. In his view they wasted more than their ?4m estimated cost by, for
instance, publicising themselves by giving away T shirts and even beer mats in pubs. Lay
members of the FPC represented the
consumers. But the chairman of the Trainees
Subcommittee, Dr J W Chisholm, pointed out
that doctors lived in an age of consumerism.
CHCs could form a useful line in the fight to
move resources from secondary to primary care. Dr Palin had some support from Dr G W
Taylor (GMSC), who did not believe that the
NHS could afford even a small sum for an
organisation which was not helpful and could
not justify its existence in terms of value to
patients. Dr Keable-Elliott thought it would
be a pity to do away with allies who opposed the closure of GP hospitals and GP obstetric
units. There were one or two unsatisfactory CHCs but it would not be politic to recom
mend this abolition.
Notional rents should be equated to their
equivalent commercial value forthwith and
the conference deplored the lack of progress in
achieving this. Owner occupiers, according to
Dr W S S Maclay (Surrey), were being
prevented from securing equitable payments for their premises. The initial system of
assessing the notional rent was fair. Then the
proposed rent went to the district valuer for
approval; dissatisfied doctors could appeal to
the Secretary of State but he was advised by the valuer who had set the rent. An in
dependent appeal mechanism was one of the
negotiators' goals, Dr John Ball, GMSC
deputy chairman, said, but it was important for the GP to take independent advice himself.
A panel was to be set up to advise GPs. Some
progress, however, had been made: from
1972 to 1980 net remuneration had increased
threefold, whereas the return on premises
paid to doctors had risen fourfold.
Exemption from prescription charges was the subject of a motion from Cambridge shire. The LMC wanted the GMSC "to
review the regulations whereby patients obtain
exemption from prescription charges for
certain specified conditions." Cambridgeshire welcomed the provision made for expectant and nursing mothers and children and the
assistance given to those on supplementary benefit. But why, the proposer asked, should
someone suffering from diabetes or epilepsy take precedence over a sufferer from ulcerative
colitis or hypertension. Dr D A Richardson
(Hertfordshire) opposed the motion. If the
Government wanted to exempt some people from prescription charges the doctors could
offer professional advice but it would be
dangerous to breach the principle that they were not responsible for the way that the
provision of NHS resources was carried out.
Agreeing that the category had been wished
on doctors by politicians, Dr J S Happel
(Hampshire) did not want the categories
extended, though there was an excellent case
for abolishing them altogether. The proposer
pointed out that the motion did not ask for an
extension of the list, only that it should be
reviewed, and that was carried.
Professional advisory committees for
deputising services should not be financed by a statutory levy imposed by the LMC, nor
should subscribers to the services finance the
committees, the conference decided. As they were approved by and accountable to the
LMC, Dr M Hamid Husain (GMSC) thought that they should be paid for by the LMC to
ensure their independence. But as independent contractors GPs should be responsible for their own affairs was the view of Dr A Nawrocki
(Croydon). Dr G R Outwin (GMSC) pointed out that the independence of PACs did not
depend on who paid for them but on by whom
they were nominated. As they were nominated
by the LMC their independence could be
guaranteed. It was unjust, he thought, that by
contributing to the statutory levy doctors
would be contributing to services they would not all use. Some LMCs dealt with rural
problems and city doctors had to bear the cost
of that part of the LMC financing even though rural work did not apply to them, Dr Lionel
Kopelowitz told him. Dr Kopelowitz is chair man of the BMA's Central Advisory Committee
for the BMA Deputising Services. He said
that to say there should be "a charge against the income derived from subscribers" was too
inflexible and he urged rejection.
Paediatric surveillance was the job of the
GP, who should be paid for it. The DHSS had agreed to this in principle, Dr Keable
Elliott reported, and as the RCGP had the same view he hoped that there would soon be some result. Dr D J Godfrey (Leeds) wanted
support for his motion "that a scale of fees for
paediatric developmental assessment should be
introduced urgently." Dr Arnold Elliott
agreed with the word "urgently." Some
people thought the work should be done by
paediatricians and clinical medical officers.
Developmental assessment was not being done as thoroughly throughout the country as it should, Dr J W Chisholm said. The work
belonged in the province of GPs but it was new work and not currently an integral part of general medical services. So new money had to be provided on an item-of-service
basis. But Dr J C Oakley (Kent) disliked the
principle of fragmentation; he thought looking after a child was part of general
medical services. The GMSC chairman said that because some GPs did not do the work the DHSS appointed other doctors. It was a
job for general practice; it required special
expertise and should be paid for.
EEC directives on postgraduate
training for general practice should not be
any less demanding than those of vocational
training regulations in the United Kingdom.
Proposing this motion, which was carried, Dr R B L Ridge (Enfield and Haringey) congratulated Dr Alan Rowe, chairman of the
Committee on the EEC, for his work. The
draft directives referred to two years' vocational training, which compared with
three years in this country. Dr Alan Rowe
explained that nine countries had to agree on
minimum standards?some had no vocational
training, some had four years. A compromise had not yet been reached. The Advisory Committee on Medical Training had recom
mended that the EEC Commission should act on one of the directives that already existed
?namely, that the host country should
require the migrant to carry out the training of the host country, taking into account the amount of training the doctor had done in his own country. The Commission had dis
regarded this and jumped ahead saying the directive should be based on two years.
Nevertheless, Dr Rowe emphasised that the matter was still at the consultative stage and he
supported the motion.
Practice attachment of supporting staff was preferable to geographical zoning.
This is GMSC policy and the conference endorsed it. For financial reasons some
administrators were agitating for a return to
zoning, Dr R W Smith (Redbridge and Waltham Forest) said. In Barnsley, Dr W Ashmore told the meeting, some doctors had to contact up to 10 nurses and health visitors
which meant there was not the same rapport as with the attached nurse. Dr A A Clark
(Scottish GMSC) pointed out that it had taken a long time to achieve the attachment of district nurses, health visitors, and, sometimes, social workers. Only by the proper use of such
members of primary health care teams could modern general practice be achieved.
A4 record folders should be available to GPs who want to use them. Proposing this
motion, which was carried, Dr J Ivory (Northumberland) said that at present the folders were available on request. Dr J C
Oakley (Kent) opposed the idea. All GPs
might be forced to change, which would be a
contradiction of 1974 policy. But, supporting the proposal, Dr D J Hudson (Cornwall and Isles of Scilly) referred to a recent RCGP
report which had suggested that all records would be computerised in the next decade. It
had, however, taken 30 years to persuade the Government to change the present archaic
system. Computerisation was a red herring: it would take 90 years to introduce computers into general practice.
Development of commercial organisa tions which advertise private medical services
was condemned. The proposer, Dr D Lynch (Ealing, Hammersmith and Hounslow), said that he was aware of the possible implications on other organisations such as pregnancy
testing services but he wanted the advertising habits checked. The words "without the constraint of the General Medical Council"
were removed after Dr J S Happel had pointed out that all registered practitioners came under the GMC's surveillance. Anyone could make a
complaint to the GMC but it had to be
supported by evidence and a statutory declara tion. Medicover was not mentioned in the
motion but Dr M H Stuart (Essex) referred to
it and said that if people thought they were
getting a raw deal from the NHS and wished to pay for care they should be free to do so.
Rather than being protective, GPs should make sure they were providing a good service, and
he opposed the motion.
This content downloaded from 193.105.245.71 on Sat, 28 Jun 2014 08:26:06 AMAll use subject to JSTOR Terms and Conditions