week 12 selecting schools kent l. barrus pre-professional advisor

Week 12 Week 12 Selecting SchoolsSelecting Schools

Kent L. BarrusKent L. BarrusPre-professional AdvisorPre-professional Advisor

Bio 311 - Professional School Bio 311 - Professional School PreparationPreparation

Managing the Interview DayManaging the Interview Day Before the InterviewBefore the Interview

Get plenty of sleep.Get plenty of sleep. Arrive early!Arrive early! Don’t bring a family member or friend to the interview.Don’t bring a family member or friend to the interview. Review you application and personal statement.Review you application and personal statement. Be polite to EVERYONE at the office.Be polite to EVERYONE at the office. Treat every interaction as if it is a part of the interview.Treat every interaction as if it is a part of the interview.


Managing the Interview DayManaging the Interview Day During the InterviewDuring the Interview

Use peoples names.Use peoples names. Shake hands.Shake hands. Maintain eye contact.Maintain eye contact. Don’t fidget, cross arms, etc.Don’t fidget, cross arms, etc. Don’t touch anything on the interviewer’s desk.Don’t touch anything on the interviewer’s desk. Don’t speak too quickly.Don’t speak too quickly. Smile.Smile. Avoid being arrogant and dogmatic.Avoid being arrogant and dogmatic. Don’t be antagonistic, even if the interview is.Don’t be antagonistic, even if the interview is. Don’t make up answers to questions you don’t know.Don’t make up answers to questions you don’t know.


After the InterviewAfter the Interview Shake hands and say good-bye.Shake hands and say good-bye. Write your interviewer a ‘professional’ thank you note.Write your interviewer a ‘professional’ thank you note. Don’t grovel.Don’t grovel. Don’t touch anything on the interviewer’s desk.Don’t touch anything on the interviewer’s desk. Don’t speak too quickly.Don’t speak too quickly. Smile.Smile. Avoid being arrogant and dogmatic.Avoid being arrogant and dogmatic. Don’t be antagonistic, even if the interview is.Don’t be antagonistic, even if the interview is. Don’t make up answers to questions you don’t know.Don’t make up answers to questions you don’t know.

Managing the Interview DayManaging the Interview Day


Questions to Ask YourselfQuestions to Ask Yourself What type of Professional do I want to be?What type of Professional do I want to be? Will a school provide the learning and Will a school provide the learning and

experiences necessary for me to excel in my experiences necessary for me to excel in my profession?profession?

Will a school treat me the way I want to be Will a school treat me the way I want to be treated?treated?

Would I like to be a student there?Would I like to be a student there?


Things to ConsiderThings to Consider Be RealisticBe Realistic Geographic considerationsGeographic considerations FinancesFinances Familiar with BYU-IdahoFamiliar with BYU-Idaho School PhilosophySchool Philosophy Early Decision ProgramEarly Decision Program RankingsRankings


1. Be Realistic1. Be Realistic Don’t waste your time if you don’t have Don’t waste your time if you don’t have

outstanding credentialsoutstanding credentials GPAGPA MCAT, DAT, OATMCAT, DAT, OAT

Do you want to be accepted by a good school or Do you want to be accepted by a good school or rejected by a top school?rejected by a top school?

It may be OK to apply to a few top schools, but It may be OK to apply to a few top schools, but do NOT apply to all top schools.do NOT apply to all top schools.


1. Be Realistic1. Be Realistic If you are a white male:If you are a white male:

Add 0.2 to the GPA listed.Add 0.2 to the GPA listed. Add 1 Point to each MCAT section score.Add 1 Point to each MCAT section score.


Admission Statistics ExampleAdmission Statistics Example

ACCEPTEDACCEPTED

SGPASGPA APPLAPPL. . MDMD DODO %% 4.0-3.94.0-3.9 40 40 34 34 0 0 80 80 3.89-3.83.89-3.8 24 24 19 19 0 0 79 79 3.79-3.73.79-3.7 34 34 2424 2 2 76 76 3.69-3.63.69-3.6 44 29 44 29 2 2

70 70 3.59-3.53.59-3.5 34 34 16 16 4 4 59 59



ACCEPTEDACCEPTED

SGPASGPA APPLAPPL. . MDMD DODO %% 3.49-3.4 283.49-3.4 28 14 3 14 3 61 61 3.39-3.3 243.39-3.3 24 11 4 11 4 63 63 3.29-3.2 17 6 33.29-3.2 17 6 3

5353 3.19-3.1 10 5 13.19-3.1 10 5 1

6060 3.09-3.0 14 73.09-3.0 14 7 1 1 57 57



ACCEPTEDACCEPTED

SGPASGPA APPLAPPL. . MDMD DODO %%

2.99-2.52.99-2.5 21 21 3 0 3 0 14 14

2.49- <2.49- < 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0


Admissions StatisticsAdmissions Statistics Research SchoolsResearch Schools

1.1. HARVARD UNIVERSITYHARVARD UNIVERSITY 2.2. JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITYJOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY 3.3. WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY 4.4. UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIAUNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA 5.5. DUKE UNIVERSITYDUKE UNIVERSITY 6.6. UNIV. CALIFORNIA AT SAN FRANCISCO UNIV. CALIFORNIA AT SAN FRANCISCO 7.7. COLUMBIA UNIVERSITYCOLUMBIA UNIVERSITY 8.8. UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGANUNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN 9.9. YALE UNIVERSITY YALE UNIVERSITY 10.10. UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTONUNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON


AppliedApplied AcceptedAccepted

1. HARVARD1. HARVARD 50 50 00

2. JOHNS HOPKINS2. JOHNS HOPKINS 74 74 44

3. WASH. UNIV. 3. WASH. UNIV. 62 62 33

4. 4. UNIV. OF PENN. UNIV. OF PENN. 17 17 00

5. DUKE 5. DUKE 45 45 11

6. UCSF6. UCSF 43 43 22

7. 7. COLUMBIA COLUMBIA 15 1555

8. 8. UNIV. OF MICHIGAN UNIV. OF MICHIGAN 39 3977

9. 9. YALE YALE 46 46 22

10. UNIV. OF WASH10. UNIV. OF WASH 86 86 55


Admissions StatisticsAdmissions Statistics Primary Care SchoolsPrimary Care Schools

1.UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON1.UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON 2.OREGON HEALTH SCIENCES 2.OREGON HEALTH SCIENCES 3.UC SAN FRANSICO3.UC SAN FRANSICO 4.UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO4.UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO 5.U MASS WORCESTER5.U MASS WORCESTER 6.UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA-C.HILL6.UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA-C.HILL 7.HARVARD UNIVERSITY7.HARVARD UNIVERSITY 8. UNIV OF ROCHESTER8. UNIV OF ROCHESTER 9.UNIV OF COLORADO HEALTH SCIENCES9.UNIV OF COLORADO HEALTH SCIENCES 10.UNIVERSITY OF IOWA 10.UNIVERSITY OF IOWA


AppliedApplied AcceptedAccepted 1.1. UWUW 86 86 55 2.2. OHSUOHSU 106106 99 3.3. UCSFUCSF 43 43 22 4.4. UNIV NMUNIV NM 5 0 5.5. U MASSU MASS 3 3 00 6.6. UNCUNC 28 28 22 7.7. HARVARD HARVARD 50 50 00 7. ROCHESTER7. ROCHESTER 40 40 66 9.9. COLORADO COLORADO 46 46 44 9.9. IOWA IOWA 54 8


Schools AcademicsSchools Academics Residency Match Rates.Residency Match Rates. National Board Pass Rates.National Board Pass Rates. Licensing Exam Pass Rates.Licensing Exam Pass Rates.


Schools AcademicsSchools Academics What is course load like?What is course load like? How many hours are spent in classes and labs?How many hours are spent in classes and labs?

Services.aamc.org/currdir/start.cfmServices.aamc.org/currdir/start.cfm Do they have notes online?Do they have notes online? Clinical Experiences?Clinical Experiences? Tutoring and Retention Programs?Tutoring and Retention Programs? Academic ScheduleAcademic Schedule Research OpportunitiesResearch Opportunities What is the grading system?What is the grading system?


Non-AcademicsNon-Academics What is area and community atmosphere?What is area and community atmosphere? Housing availability and costsHousing availability and costs Fees, tuition, and equipment costsFees, tuition, and equipment costs What kind of student/spouse support services What kind of student/spouse support services

are available?are available? Financial Aid, grants, scholarships, etc.Financial Aid, grants, scholarships, etc.


Do your researchDo your research Professional school guidesProfessional school guides Web sitesWeb sites Interview / school visitInterview / school visit


2. Geographical Considerations2. Geographical Considerations Apply to schools in your area, especially in your Apply to schools in your area, especially in your

home state.home state. Most state schools accept 90-100% from state Most state schools accept 90-100% from state

residents.residents. East vs West coast.East vs West coast. Small Town vs Big citySmall Town vs Big city Church presenceChurch presence Include your spouse in the processInclude your spouse in the process


3. Finances3. Finances Don’t apply if you:Don’t apply if you:

Can’t afford to go to the schools to interview.Can’t afford to go to the schools to interview. If you would not go to the school, if accepted, because If you would not go to the school, if accepted, because

of tuition, living expenses, tec.of tuition, living expenses, tec. Don’t waste your time, your money, or the schools Don’t waste your time, your money, or the schools

time.time.


4. Schools Familiar with BYU-Idaho4. Schools Familiar with BYU-Idaho If a school has never accepted a BYU student If a school has never accepted a BYU student

before:before: You may be wasting your time and money unless.You may be wasting your time and money unless.

Your father owns the school.Your father owns the school. Uncle Joe can give a million dollars to the school.Uncle Joe can give a million dollars to the school.

Or it may be an advantageOr it may be an advantage Unfamiliar with BYU-IdahoUnfamiliar with BYU-Idaho Unique applicantUnique applicant


4. Schools Familiar with BYU-Idaho4. Schools Familiar with BYU-Idaho DangerDanger

Many LDS students apply to the same schoolsMany LDS students apply to the same schools Competition with other BYU-Idaho studentsCompetition with other BYU-Idaho students All look the sameAll look the same


5. School Philosophy5. School Philosophy In what specialty are you interested?In what specialty are you interested? Do students match their preferred residency.Do students match their preferred residency.


6. Early Decision 6. Early Decision Apply to one school by August 1Apply to one school by August 1stst.. Notified of acceptance by October 1Notified of acceptance by October 1stst.. If accepted you must go.If accepted you must go. If not accepted you reapply to other schools.If not accepted you reapply to other schools.


6. Advantages of Early Decision 6. Advantages of Early Decision Shows school it is your top choiceShows school it is your top choice Receive decisions earlyReceive decisions early Saves time, money, anxiety, etc.Saves time, money, anxiety, etc.


6. Disadvantages of Early Decision 6. Disadvantages of Early Decision Makes you later for all other applicationsMakes you later for all other applications Interview later at other schoolsInterview later at other schools Fewer seats availableFewer seats available


8. Rankings8. Rankings Are they representative?Are they representative? What criteria do they use?What criteria do they use? Does it really matter?Does it really matter?

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