TEST GOOD MORNING VOLUSIA COUNTY. TODAY IS A FEBRUARY 19th, 20 '1H 15. IT IS PRETTY COLD EVEN IN FLORIDA. WE'RE HERE FOR THE VEHICLE STIPULATE COUNCIL MEETING WE'RE ON THE RECORD

GOOD MORNING. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. TODAY IS FEBRUARY 19th 2015. THIS IS THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AT 8:30 FOR THE VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL. WE HAVE ONE PERSON THAT WOULD LIKE THAT IS GOING SPEAK BEFORE YOU FOR THREE MINUTES TODAY. I WILL TREAT DISCLAIMER. THE VEHICLE COUNCIL WELCOMES YOUR INVOLVEMENT AND IS INTERESTED IN HING YOUR COMMENTS. PLEASE COMPLETE A PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SLIP AND INDICATE IN THE SUBJECT LINE THE ISSUE YOU WISH TO ADDRESS. YOU MAY USE THE BACK IF YOU HAVE TO. ONCE YOU RECOGNIZED STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, BEFORE BEGINNING YOUR COMMENTS YOU MAY SPEAK UP TO 3 MINUTES. THE COUNTY COUNCIL WILL NOT ANSWER QUESTIONS OR REQUEST DURING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL OF THE VIEWS OF OTHERS. OUR FIRST PERSON UP THE MORNING IS MR. BILL MORIARTI.

GOOD MORNING MR. CHAIRMAN ONE SEVEN YEARS OH GOD FRIDAY IN UNINCORPORATED VOLUSIA COUNTY.

THE REASON I AM HERE THIS MORNING THERE IS A PROPOSED ENTER LOCAL EDGEWATER. WE HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF BEING IGNORED BY EDGEWATER FOR THE DEMANDS OF WHAT OUR CITIZENS WANT TO HAPPEN IN OUR COMMUNITY. FOR THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH WATERFRONT PARK. IT IS A WATERFRONT COMMUNITY 133 HOMES. A NICE PIECE OF OLD FLORIDA WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE JUST THE WAY IT IS. THE PROBLEM HERE IS THIS ISBA IS ANOTHER THE CITY HAS A HISTORY OF IGNORING WHATEVER THE RESIDENTS WANT IN WATERFRONT PARK INCLUDING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE PINE HURST PUD. IT HAS RESULTED IN A 21 UNIT HABITAT DEVELOPMENT. IT WAS OPPOSED BY THE RESIDENTS. THEIR WISHS WERE IGNORED. WE DO NOT WANT TO BE ANNEXED IN THE CITY OF EDGEWATER. WE DO NOT WANT TO BE GOVERNED BY THE CITY OF EDGEWATER. WE DON'T WANT TO BE REGULATED BY THE CITY OF EDGEWATER. THE REASON I AM HERE THIS MORNING IS TO TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE PROCESS FOR THE PINE HURST PUD AND THE HABITAT PURCHASING THE PROPERTY FROM ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS INCIDENTALLY, WE HAD STRONG MEETINGS. AND GOT TO KNOW THE SENSE OF THE COMMUNITY. I HAVE LIVED THERE SINCE 2007, AFTER I RETIRED OUT OF MIAMI DADE AT THE EXECUTIVE LEVEL. WHAT HAPPENS WITH EDGEWATER IS THERE IS NOBODY GETS NOTIFIED. IT GETS DOWN TO THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING. IT IS A DONE DEAL AND THEY DO WHAT THEY WANT. HERE HERE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS ISBA IS IN A GEOGRAPHIC AREA FAR BEYOND JUST OUR ALSO ENCLAVE THAT WE WOULD LIKE OUR LITTLE ENCLAVE TAKEN OUT OF THE BOUNDARIES OF THE -- I HAVE TWO SPECIFIC REQUESTS. I WOULD REQUEST THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPT A RESOLUTION AND INVITE THE CITY OF EDGEWATER COUNCIL TO COSPONSOR A WORKSHOP FOR OUR RESIDENTS SO THEY CAN BE FULLY INFORMED PRIOR TO THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING OF WHAT IS GOING ON. AND YOU CAN HEAR THE SENTTIMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY. SECONDLY IF YOU CANNOT DO THAT, IF AT LEAST YOU WOULD TAKE NO ACTION ON THIS ISBA UNTIL THE CITY OF END WATER HOLDS AN APPROPRIATE WORKSHOP PRIOR TO THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING. THAT'S MY REQUEST.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR. IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, MA'AM, YES, MA'AM.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION AT THIS POINT.

MISS CUSACK YOU ARE RECOGNIZED COUNCIL WOMAN.

THANK YOU, SIR FOR COMING. MY QUESTION IS YOU SAID THE RESIDENTS IN THIS ENCLAVE ARE ALL OPPOSED TO THE ANNEXATION.

PRIMARILY. NOT ALL BUT PRIMARILY.

I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WERE ANY LISTING OF THE NUMBERS AS TO WHO WAS OPPOSED.

WE HAVE NOT DONE A FULL SURVIVAL ECONOMY TELL YOU THE MEETING WE HAD DURING THE PINE HURST PROCESS, THERE WERE APPROXIMATELY 40 TO 50 HOME OWNERS THERE. AND ABOUT 90% WERE OPPOSED TO HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH HAVING EDGEWATER, ANY GOVERNANCE REGULATORY.

IT WOULD BE GOOD IF YOU COULD GET SOMETHING FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT WOULD SUPPORT THAT. NOT THAT I -- I BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAY BUT IT CERTAINLY MAKES AN IMPRESSION WHEN YOU HAVE --

WELL ECONOMY DO THAT. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I AM ASKING FOR WORKSHOP. SEE I AM FORTUNATE BECAUSE MY CAREER WAS PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION. I TEND TO KNOW HOW TO FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND YOU KNOW HAVING DEALT PERSONALLY WITH THE CITY OF EDGEWATER ON STUFF THEY HAVE DONE INCLUDING PUTTING A HOUSE -- THAT THEY DIDN'T. I KNOW HOW THEY WORK, OKAY. THEY DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.

THANK YOU FOR COMEING.

WHAT YOU ARE ASKING ME IS TO GO AROUND AND DO A PETITION.

I AM TRYING TO ASK YOU IF THERE ARE MORE FOLK THAT WILL BE.

COUNCIL WOMAN YOU KNOW I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR. I ACCEPT. THAT I WILL DO MY BEST TO MARSHAL THE TROOPS AND GET JUST WHAT YOU WANT.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST TO DO THAT.

THANK YOU, SIR FOR COMING. IS.

HAVE A GOOD DAY.

THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

NO, SIR.

VERY WELL WE WILL BE IN RECESS UNTIL 9:00 %F0

THANK YOU. THE MEETING WILL START IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES. WE'RE WAITING FOR A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SHOW UP. WE'RE IN A HOLDING PATTERN THANK YOU.

CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE.

MR. LOWRY.

HERE.

MR. PATTERSON.

HERE.

MR. WAGNER.

HERE.

MISS CUSACK.

HERE.

MISS DENYS.

HERE.

ALL PRESENT.

MR. DAVIS HERE.

INVOCATION PLEDGE OF ALLAY A LLEGIANCE BYPASS OR THE.

LET'S PRAY. OUR LORD, AND OUR GOD, WE GATHER HERE TODAY TO BEGIN ASKING YOU TO HELP US TODAY TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO. THE DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE. YOU THE GREAT GOD AND OUR SAVIOR. AND WITHOUT YOU WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING. AND WE BOW OUR HEADS BEFORE YOU AND OUR HEARTS AND SAY LORD, HELP US TODAY. GUIDE THESE MEN AND WOMEN, THESE COUNCIL MEN AND WOMEN IN THEIR DECISIONS AND GIVE THEM WISDOM AS THEY HEAR WORDS FROM THIS PODIUM FROM OUR COUNTY AND OUR COMMUNITY. WE PRAY THAT WOULD YOU PROTECT US LORD FROM THOSE WHO WOULD NOT GUIDE US PROPERLY. WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GUIDE US AND PROTECT US FROM PEOPLE WHO WOULD MISLEAD US. AND WE JUST SAY, LORD, HELP US. WE NEED YOUR HELP. WE LOOK TO YOU TODAY TO GIVE US WHAT WE NEED. WE THANK YOU TODAY FOR THESE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE SACRIFICED THEIR TIME TO LISTEN AND TO STUDY AND TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT AFFECT ALL OF US IN THIS COUNTY. WE PRAY FOR ALL THAT ARE GATHERED IN THIS CHAMBER THAT YOU BLESS THEM TODAY AND HELP THEM, LORD, TO BE AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND WE WILL THANK YOU FOR THIS? JESUS NAME. AMEN.

ATTENTION SALUTE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDERGOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

COULD YOU COME AND SHAKE HANDS WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS.

WE WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING. THE CHAIR WILL BE BACK. IF YOUR CELL PHONE IS WITH YOU IF YOU COULD TURN IT TO VIBRATE, STUN OR TURN IT OFF. WHATEVER YOU DESIRE. BUT I AM SURE THE CHAIR WOULD PROBABLY CHOP YOUR HEAD OFF IF YOU INTERRUPTED HIS PRESENTATION THIS MORNING. PULL CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. I DON'T HAVE AN ORDER HERE. I WILL START WITH MISS DENYS.

NOTHING MR. CHAIR.

MR. DANIELS.

NOTHING MR. CHAIR.

MR. LOWRY.

NONE.

NONE. I HAVE NONE. CHAIR HAS NOTHING. WE HAVE NOTHING BEING PULLED OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA THIS MORNING. MOVING ON.

I MORE.

SORRY. MOTION.

SO MOVED.

THIRD. FORD.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY MISS CUSACK, SECONDED BY MISS DENYS. ANY DISCUSSION, ANY DEBATE. ANY OBJECTION. WITHOUT OBJECTION SHOW THE MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE THE CHAIR STANDING OVER HERE, READ TOY GO. MR.CHAIR.

WOULD YOU COME FORWARD. YOU ARE RECOGNIZED TO, FOR THE STATE 20 '1STATE OF COUNTY ADDRESS, SIR.

THANK YOU.

YOU ARE WELCOME.

GOOD MORNING. YOU CAN SPEAK. IT IS OKAY MORNING I AM JASON DAVIS THE VOLUSIA COUNTY CHAIR. WITH GREAT PLEASURE TO BRING YOU THE 2015 STATE OF THE COUNTY ADDRESS. FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE AND THANK MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THEIR HARD WORK ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY. ALSO THE COUNTY MANAGER JIM DEMEAN.

I MEMORIZED THAT. NOW I HAVE TO WHERE MY GLASSES. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GET STARTED. LET'S GET STARTED BY LOOKING AT THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE MADE ON OUR TWO MOST IMPORTANT GOALS. GROWING THE ECONOMY AND CANNED -- ADDING JOBS. LAST YEAR VOLUSIA COUNTY MANUFACTURING FIRMS, CONSPIRACY TAN, RAY DON'T AND U.S. FOODS WON NEW MULTI MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACTS. FRONTIER AND BOSTON WHALER EXPANDED. TOURISM IS UP. UNEMPLOYMENT IS DOWN. TWO VERY IMPORTANT DIRECTS. AN OUTLET MALL IS IN THE PLANNING STAGES. CONSTRUCTION UNDERWAY ON SEVERAL.

OF COURSE WE'RE TREMENDOUSLY EXCITED THAT JET BLUE AIRWAYS WILL BEBEGIN SERVICE BETWEEN NEW YORK CITY AND DAYTONA BEACH.EACH.

CUP DO THAT.

SPECIAL THANK TO RICK CARL.

KARL.

STRENGTHING LOCAL ECONOMY ONE OF THE BEST WAYS WE CAN INSURE A BETTER FUTURE FOR OUR CITIZENS AND COUNTY GOVERNMENT CAN REP BY CREATING A EXPERTIVE CLIENT THAT IS CONDUCTIVE TO CREATE JOBS. INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT ONE DAYTONA. A PROJECT THAT IS EXPECTSELD TO GENERATE MORE THAN $800 MILLION IN NEW CAPITAL INVESTMENTS AS WELL AS 52 MILLION DOLLARS IN PROPERTY AND SALES TAX OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS. ANOTHER GREAT MILESTONE THE COUNTY ALSO CONTRIBUTED MORE THAN 1 POINT $6 MILLION IN INCENTIVES AND SECURED A 2 POINT 9 MILLION-DOLLAR ROAD IMPROVEMENT GRANT TO BRING TRADER JOES DISTRIBUTION CENTER TO DAYTONA BEACH. DISTRIBUTION CENTER WILL SUPPLY THE STORES IN FLORIDA AND THE EASTERN UNITED STATES. CAPITAL INVESTMENT IS $88 MILLION WITH MORE THAN 450 NEW JOBS ANTICIPATED. HERE ARE A FEW MORE INDICATIONS THE ECONOMY IS ACTUALLY IMPROVING. PROPERTY VALUES GREW ALMOST NINE% COUNTY WIDE. A POSITIVE SIGN FOR ON VOLUSIA COUNTY'S REAL ESTATE MARKET. THE MORE THAN 3.1 BILLION DOLLARS. THE MOST IMPROVEMENT IN THE MARKET SINCE 2006. ANOTHER GREAT MILE STONE. YOU CAN CONTINUE TO APPLAUD IF YOU LIKE RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY IN 2014 WAS DOWN SLIGHTLY PROSECUTE THE PREVIOUS YEAR. BUT THE NUMBERS ARE STILL STRONG. HOME BUILDERS ARE ANTICIPATING FUTURE GROWTH. LAST YEAR 1182 RESIDENTIAL PERMITS WITH A VALUE OF $329 MILLION WERE ISSUED BY THE COUNTY AND CITIES. COMPARED TO THE 1270 PERMITS THAT WERE VALUED. THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2014 WAS OUR BEST QUARTER WITH PERMITS FOR 4 -- 348 NEW HOMES ISSUED BETWEEN JANUARY 1st AND MARCH 31. THE CITY OF DELAND POSSESSED THE MOST RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION PERMITS IN 2014 WITH A TOTAL OF 329. 97 NEW COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION PERMITS VALUED 324 MILLION WERE ISSUED IN 2014. THIS INCLUDES THE SINGLE 152 MILLION DOLLARS FOR BUILDING PERMIT GRANTED FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE DAYTONA BEACH INTERNATIONAL SPEED WAY. THE SPEED WAY PROJECT HAS ONE WAS ONE OF 34 PERMITS ISSUED BETWEEN JANUARY 1 AND MARCH 31 WITH A TOTAL OF $216 MILLION. THIS MADE THOSE FIRST THREE MONTHS OF 2014 ONE OF THE BEST QUARTERS VOLUSIA COUNTY HAS EVER EXPERIENCED. AS I NOTED EARLIER MORE PEOPLE ARE WORKING. LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN. MORE PEOPLE ARE WORKING. UNEMPLOYMENT IN VOLUSIA COUNTY IS NOW AT 5 POINT 3%. A GREAT MILESTONE. MEANING, SOME 5,000 MORE RESIDENTS HAVE FOUND WORK IN THE PAST 12 MONTHS. THAT'S A LOT OF NUMBERS. THE MOST IMPORTANT NUMBER IS LIVE LEARN WORK AND PLAY IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. WHO DEPEND ON OUR CONTINUED ABILITY TO HELP X-RAYING BUSINESSES GROW SUCCESSFUL SUCCESSFULLY BRING IN NEW EMPLOYEES. ONE WAY THE COUNTY CAN BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY IS TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE COMPANIES TO NAVIGATE THE PROCESS. OUR ONLINE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. IT IS ALLOWING CUSTOMERS TO APPLY FOR PERMITS. SCHEDULE INSPECTIONS. PAY PERMIT FEES AT THEIR CONVENIENCE AND ALL FROM THE COMFORTED FROM THEIR HOME AND OR OFFICE. INFRASTRUCTURE IS CRITICAL AND FOR EVERY COMMUNITY. BUT EVEN MORE SO WHEN YOU HAVE GROWTH SPURT IN THE ECONOMY LIKE WE HAVE

EXPERIENCED WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE YOU MUST INCLUDE ROADS AND TRANSPORTATION. AN EFFECTIVE ROAD NETWORK IS CRUCIAL. IT IMPACTS EVERY PART OF YOUR LIFE. FROM YOUR COMMUTE TO WORK OR SCHOOL TO DECISIONS ABOUT OPENING OR EXPANDING A BUSINESS. LAST YEAR, TWO MAJOR ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AIMED AT IMPROVING SAFETY AND TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC FLOW. THEY WERE COMPLETED. SAXON BOULEVARD WAS WIDENED TO SIX LANES. A MEDIAN WAS ADDED BETWEEN INTERSTATE FOR AND DELTONA. THE TIMBER CREEK ROAD WAS WIDENED TO FOUR LANES BETWEEN STATE ROAD 40 AND PERU VICK IAN IN ORMOND BEACH. FROM COURT LAND BOULEVARD TO NORTH TO STATE ROAD 415 IN DELTONA AND ALSO TO INSTALL PAVEED SHOULDERS TO DUNN AVENUE TO CLYDE MORRIS AVENUE IN DAYTONA BEACH. ENGINEERING AND DESIGN PLANS HAVE BEEN LARGELY COMPLETED FOR THE NEW HIGHRISE BRIDGE THAT WILL REPLACE THE OLD VETERANS MEMORIAL BRIDGE AND THIS CONCRETE ARCH IS THE FIRST OF ITS KIND IN FLORIDA IT WILL INCLUDE ABA COMPLIANT FEATURES AND FISHING PIERS. AN ADVISORY BOARD HAS BEEN ASSISTING THE DESIGN TEAM AND HAS CONTRIBUTED TREMENDOUSLY TO THE INSURING THAT THIS NEW BRIDGE WILL BE A SHOWCASE STRUCTURE OVER INTRA COASTAL WATERWAY.

HUNDREDS OF DEDICATED EMPLOYEES IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, FIRE SERVICES, CORRECTIONS, BEACH SAFETY. EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES, AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WORK TIRELESSLY TO SAFEGUARD OUR COMMUNITIES. LAST YEAR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE EMBARKED ON AN AMBITIOUS PROGRAM TO OUTFIT PERSONNEL WITH BODY CAMERAS. WHEN FULLY IMPLEMENTED IN A FEW MONTHS THE PROGRAM WILL HAVE SIGNIFICANT BENEFITS. INCLUDING ENHANCED TRANSPARENCY IN OUR OPERATIONS AND IMPROVED OFFICER SAFETY. THE USE OF BODY CAMERAS IS EXPECTED TO STRENGTHEN EVIDENCE IN CRIMINAL CASES AND POSITIVELY IMPACT CITIZEN COMPLAINTS AND LITIGATION. LOOKING FOR A WAY TO QUICKLY UNITE CHILDREN WITH THEIR FAMILIES HIT ON THE IDEA OF HAVING YOUNGSTERS WEAR PAPER WRIST BANDS.

I JUST LOST MY PLACE. THERE IT IS. AND THIS HAS THE CONTACT INFORMATION OF THEIR PARENTS. MORE THAN 1000 BRACELETS HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO, THROUGH THE TOLL BOOTS. LOCAL HOTELS AND PORTABLE LIFE GUARD TOWERS CALLED RES -- Q OR RESCUE THAT STANDS FOR REUNITING EVERYONE SAFELY AND QUICKLY. THIS SIGNIFICANT THIS IS SIGNIFICANT. OUR BEACH EMPLOYEES FIND A LOT OF MISSING KIDS. MORE THAN 230 LAST YEAR. BEACH OFFICERS ALSO RESCUED MORE THAN 225 PEOPLE FROM THE SURF. AND HELPED MORE THAN 1350 STRANDED MOTORIST. GOOD JOB GUYS. TWO MONTHS AGO IN THESE VERY CHAMBERS I ADOPTED A RESCUE CAT. ONE OF THE MANY THOUSANDS OF ABANDONED CATS ROAMING OUR COMMUNITY. ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS HAVE SPENT AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME RESPONDING TO NUISANCE CALLS. THE COUNTY HAS SPENT HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO IMPOUNDS THESE ANIMALS MOST TO NEVER BE ADOPTED. PROVEN TRACK RECORD FOR REDUCING THE ABANDONED CAT POPULATION. IT IS CALLED TNR. TRAP, NEUTER AND RELEASE.

THEY ARE SPAYED OR NEUTERED. THIS IT IS A MUCH MORE HUMANE APPROACH. SAVES MONEY AND WILL ULTIMATELY REDUCE THE ABANDONED CAT POPULATION. THE CRUISER LAST YEAR PERFORMED OVER 2400 SPAY, NEUTER SURGERIES IN UNINCORPORATED VOLUSIA COUNTY. THE CITIES OF DAYTONA AND DELAND. INCREASED USE OF THE CRUISER COUPLED WITH THE COUNTY'S ORDINANCE RESULTED IN MORE THAN 245 ANIMALS COMPOUNDED WITH MORE THAN -- BY THE PET VET CRUISER SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN 2007. AND AS FAR AS SMOKY THE CAT GOES, HE IS ADAPTED WELL TO THE NEW HOME. HE HAS HIS OWN LITTLE

PRIVATE CAT CONDO AND SKIPPER AND SHASTA OUR TWO DOGS ARE LEARNING TO TOLERATE AND BECOME FRIENDS. EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE WORKING AND PLAYING WELL WITH EACH OTHER AND IN ADDITION TO MAINTAINING INFRASTRUCTURE AND INSURING THE SAFETY OF OUR RESIDENTS, THE COUNTY IS CHARGED WITH PROTECTING OUR NATURAL RESOURCES. OUR BEACH, RIVERS AND PARKS AND GREEN SPACES ARE WHAT MAKE VOLUSIA COUNTY APPEALING. IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT WE SAFEGUARD THESE. BEACH ACCESS AND COASTAL BEAUTY. TEAS INCLUDED THE RIVER VIEW AVENUE RESTROOMS AND PARKING AREA IN DAYTONA. THE DOLLY UP IN NEPTUNE AVENUE PARKING IN ORMOND BEACH AND PARKING AREA AND.

WE CONTINUE TO SEEK WAYS TO REDUCE COST AND BE MORE EFFICIENT W THE GOAL OF PROVIDING THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF SERVICE AT THE LOWEST COST TO TAXPAYERS, A CASE IN POINT IS THE COUNTY'S LIBRARY SYSTEM. ACCORDING TO A 2013 STUDY TAXPAYERS RECEIVED AN ECONOMIC RETURN OF $10 AND 18 RENTS FOR EVERY DOLLAR INVESTED. THAT IS $10 AND 18-CENTS FOR EVERY DOLLAR. I WISH I HAD THAT ON MY 401K. LOWEST STATE. CITIZENS RECEIVING A HIGH RETURN ON THEIR INVESTMENT. VOLARES DENTS VOLUSIA RESIDENTS CONTINUE TO VISIT OUR.

THE REAL GROWTH IS IN E BOOKS. THERE WERE MORE THAN 5 MILLION VIRTUAL VISITS TO NETWORK LIBRARY RESOURCES WHICH ARE OF COURSE 24, 7. NOW VOTRAN HAS LAUNCHED A NEW WEB SITE AS WELL AS AN I PHONE APP. THERE IS AN APP FOR THAT WITH A TRIP PLANNER AND REALTIME BUS ARRIVAL INFORMATION. VOTRAN CUSTOMERS CAN GATHER INFORMATION ON BUS SCHEDULES, FARE INFORMATION AND FIND OUT WHERE THEIR BUS IS LOCATED DURING ANYTIME OF THE DAY. LAST NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE. ON LAST YEAR, MORE THAN 1 10,000 POUNDS, OF FOOD WAS COLLECTED DURING THE THIRD ANNUAL FEED THE NEED COUNTY WIDE FOOD DRIVE. FOR OUR COUNTY EMPLOYEES, PLEASE GIVE THEM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE. THAT IS TREMENDOUS THESE ARE ALL PUBLIC EMPLOYEES FROM COUNTY GOVERNMENT OUR LOCAL VOLLEY MUNICIPALITIES.ITIES. THIS IS A.

ANOTHER EXAMPLE NEW ROUNDTABLE OF VOLUSIA COUNTY. IF I MAY, MR. DANIELS, WOULD YOU PLEASE RISE FOR A MOMENT. MR.DANIELS HAVE A VOLUSIA COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR FOR SERVING ON THAT BOARD THEY MEET ONCE A MONTH. AND THEY SEEK SOLUTIONS TO ISSUES THAT AFFECT ALL OF US. TRANSPORTATION, WATER QUALITY. IT IS A GOOD WAY TO IMPROVE COMMUNICATION AND STRENGTHEN THE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN VOLUSIA COUNTY AND ALL OF OUR MUNICIPALITIES. THEY MEET ONCE A MONDAY. THEY MEET AT THE AIRPORT, IN THE WHAT DO THEY CALL THAT? THE VOLUSIA ROOM. IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. SO IT IS A PUBLIC MEETING. IF ANY BODY WOULD LIKE TOZO GO TO THAT IT IS ON THE FIRST MONDAY OF EVERY MONTH. SO PLEASE COME ON OUT. ENJOY. IT STARTS AT NOON. AS OUR COMMUNITY GROWS AND CHANGES, COUNTY GOVERNMENT MUST CHANGE AS WELL. WE MUST DON'T LOOK FOR WAYS TO WORK WITH OUR CITIES AS WELL AS OUR BUSINESSES. EDUCATION, A COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS. FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYONE. WE MUST SEEK OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE GREATER SERVICES WITH LESS COST AND LESS DUPLICATION. SO, IN CONCLUSION, THE STATE OF OUR COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND THE PEOPLE OF VOLUSIA COUNTY IS GOOD. BUT I DON'T WANT TO SETTLE FOR GOOD. I WANT YOU TO AIM, FOR A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH THAT CONCLUDES THE STATE OF THE COUNTY ADDRESS SEEING AS HOW I AM NOT THE CHAIRMAN I GET TO DO THIS. MR.CHAIR I WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR A SHORT RECESS.

WE HAVE A SHORT RECESS. 10 MINUTES, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH

I WAS ACTUALLY R IS THIS YEAR AGAIN. CAPTAIN ALGREAT PERSON TO DO THAT. WE.

IS HE GOING TAKE US UP THROUGH DUNES AND DO A DUNE BUGGY.

OKAY.

NO. WE DID NOT DO THAT. THAT WAS A LITTLE HUGH MORE. FOLKS. VEER FEAR NOT. WE'RE ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW AT ALL-TIMES. WITH THAT MR. DIDINEEN WE WILL MISS YOU. ARE YOU GOING TO WANT TO DO SOMETHING.

MR. DINEEN.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. JUST A FEW COMMENTS. IT HAS BEEN AN INTERESTING LAST NINE YEARS TRYING TO MAKE THE CHANGES THAT WE ALL NEED TO MAKE ON THE BEACH. ESPECIALLY WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAD BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE. IT ISMAN ONGOING EVOLUTION. I THINK WE HAVE COME ALONG WAY. WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, EVERYBODY WELL FIRST OF ALL EVERYBODY HAS AN OPINION ON THE BEACH. ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT DON'T HAVE ANY RESPONSIBILITY. THEY AND THE LESS RESPONSIBLE THE MORE OPINION THEY REALLY HAVE. BOTTOM LINE IT IS A VERY, VERY. IT IS OUR FOCAL POINT. IT IS THE BIGGEST ECONOMIC ENGINE WE HAVE. VIP SO MANY THINGS GOING ON, IN TERMS OF KIDS, SIFT, CARS DRIVING UP AND DOWN AND PEOPLE SWIMMING AND FISHERMAN AND SURFERS. YOU HAVE THIS INNER MIX. YOU HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE TO MANAGE IT ALL, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT. P TO BE HONEST WITH YOU WHAT I CAME ON THE CONCLUSION OF FAIRLY EARLY ON. I AM VERY PROUD OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE ON THE BEACH. VERY PROUD OF WHAT THIS HAS ALLOWED ME TO DO. I DO BELIEVE THAT THE WAY IT IS ORGANIZED, FROM THE GOVERNMENTAL PERSPECTIVE AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THE CITIZENS WANTED THE COUNCIL TO TAKEOVER THE BEACH, NO BETTER IDEA THEN TO HAVE THESE SEVEN PEOPLE IN CHARGE. I WILL THINK WE GET THE BALANCED VIEW BECAUSE OF THE AREAS THAT EVERYBODY REPRESENTS. I DO THINK IS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT. I THINK IT IS A DIFFICULT SITUATION TO MANAGE OF IT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. IT IS THE BIGGEST ECONOMIC ENGINE THAT WE HAVE. WHAT I BELIEVE, I SUMMED IT UP IN FRONT OF ALL THE TROOPS ONE TIME. I BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE HAVE LOST WAS THIS IS AN ELITE FORCE. I THINK THEY HAD LOST THAT. I THINK WE HAD BECOME COMPLACENT AND I THINK WE FORGOT WHAT WE WERE ABOUT: OR THEY NO INTEREST IN THAT AND ALTHOUGH WANTED TO DO WAS BE IN LIFE SAFETY AS A LIFEGUARD. IT WAS NOT ABOUT. THAT IT WAS ABOUT OWNING IT AMOUNT IT WAS ABOUT EVOLVING. THES ON THING I THAT I HAPPENED TO THE BEACH WAS, WE STOPPED. YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO STOP. YOU THINK ALL THE THINGS WE WERE DOING WITH VENDORS. EVERY TIME YOU TURN AROUND THAT IS SOME NEW ISSUE ON THE BEACH. I MEAN THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE IN THE LAST NINE YEARS TO MAKE CHANGEs, IT IS ALL ABOUT CHANGE. THAT IS THE THING. YOU KNOW, THE OCEAN AND THE BEACH CHANGES EVERY DAY BASED ON WHERE THE TIDE IS. THAT IS THE WAY THE FORCE HAS TO CHANGE. MOST ANY OTHER FORCE LIKE THIS, HAS A MORE STANDARD SET OF RULES THAT ARE THAT ARE INFLEXIBLE. I AM REALLY PROUD OF THESE PEOPLE BEING TRIPLE TRAINED. THERE IS HARDLY NEIGHBOR CAN HAND THAT KIND OF RESPONSIBILITY. I BELIEVE WE HAVE LOST FOCUS. THEY NO LONGER SAW THEMSELF THE WAY I SAW YOU AS AN ELITE FORCE. I THAT I HAS CHANGED. I THINK WHAT I FOUND WAS THAT ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE IN HAD NOT LOST THAT PERSPECTIVE WAS SCOTT.

THE SAD PART WAS, HE WAS IN THE MINORITY. I BELIEVE THIS ORGANIZATION WOULD BE A LOT BETTER IF YOU WERE THE MAJORITY AND MORE PEOPLE WERE LIKE SCOTT. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TODAY. I THINK THE GOOD THING, HE KNOWS HOW I FEEL ABOUT HIM LEAVING THAT IS BITTER SWEET TO ME. THE ONE THING I FEEL GOOD ABOUT, AT LEAST HE IS LEAVING THIS PLACE WHEN IT HAS FINALLY GOTTEN BACK TO WHERE IT SHOULD BE AND WHERE PEOPLE LIKE HIM FROM THE NORM AND NOT THE EXCEPTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

MR. PATTERSON.

AS SOMEONE WHO ABOUT THE TIME YOU WERE STARTING OUT AS A JUNIOR LIFE GUARD, I WAS GETTING OUT OF THE NAVY. I USED TO SURF UP AND DOWN THE COAST OF FLORIDA ALSO. I TOOK A LIFE SAVING COURSE. I REALIZED REAL SOON AFTER ABOUT OF THAT CLASS GOT BOUNCED OUT BY THE INSTRUCTOR. I KNOW I FAST FORWARD TO 1995 WHEN I COME ON THE COUNTY COUNCIL. THAT'S WHEN WE WENT THROUGH SOMEWHAT CONTROVERSY THROUGH DUAL TRAINING, THE CROSSOVER. AND THOSE THAT REALLY STOOD UP AND SAID THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING, I REALLY AGREED WITH IT. I THINK SOMEONE WHO IS TRIPLE TRAIN 10 PROBABLY REPRESENTS OUR SPECIAL FORCES OF TRAINED INDIVIDUALS. I HAVE BEEN THROUGH FIRE FIGHTING TRAINING MYSELF WHEN I WAS IN THE NAVY. I KNOW RESPONSIBILITY YOU HAVE THERE. I REALLY THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE FOR VOLUSIA COUNTY. WHEN THE LIFE GUARDS ARE OUT THERE AND ALL OF THEM OUT THERE, THEY ARE REPRESENTING VOLUSIA COUNTY JUST AS I AM HERE REPRESENTING VOLUSIA COUNTY AND ITS PEOPLE. THEY ARE REPRESENTING US AS OUR WELCOMING PEOPLE TO VOLUSIA COUNTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

MR. WAGNER

THIS IS YOUR FAULT SO 1975 I WOULD HAVE BEEN NEGATIVE TWO YEARS OLD. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. EVERY TIME YOU BRING THAT UP I AM GOING THROUGH IT.

SOMETIMES I STILL THINK YOU ARE.

HE HAS BEEN WAITING ON THAT JOKE FOR A LONG TIME FOR SOMEONE OF HIS AGE HE HAS TO REALLY THINK BY THE THAT. THAT WAS WELL PLAYED MY MAN.

SCOTT, ALL ECONOMY SAY IS YOU KNOW MY WHOLE LIFE YOU HAVE BEEN THE FACE OF IT. THE NAMES HAVE CHANGED A COUPLE OF TIMES. IN P T MEDIA YOU HAVE DONE A AN EXCELLENT JOB OF REPRESENTING US WELL. MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT OVER THE LAST 37 YEARS PROBABLY, I GUESS I STARTED SUFFERING WHEN I WAS 10. YOU NEVER PULLED ME IN FOR SUFFERING TOO CLOSE TO THE PIER. IN THE LAST SIX YEARS I HAVE YET TO BE CAUGHT. THAT IS ALWAYS NICE TOO. I JUST HAVE PADDLED FASTER AS I HAVE GOTTEN OLDER. ECONOMY TELL YOU IN ALL SERIOUSNESS THE LEGACY YOU HAVE CREATED. THE IMAGE YOU HAVE LEFT IN THE REALLY BRINGING IT TO THE ELITE FORCE AND GETTING IT BACK. I THINK THERE WAS A DIP. I THINK YOU DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF HAVING IT REFLECT YOUR VISION. I THINK THAT IS BY HOW YOU HANDLE. I THINK THE

PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEEN IT, THE YOUNGSTERS COMING. THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE IT HAS BEEN MORE POLICE FORCE IN ONE DIRECTION.

IT IS PEAKS AND VALLEYS.

I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN THAT CONSTANTS. I THAT I HAS HELPED SIGNIFICANTLY. IT HAS HELPED WITH SURFERS. IT IS ALWAYS THERE. AS I HAVE GOTTEN OLDER A LOT OF THE SURFERS ARE BECOMING FISHERMAN. ECONOMY TELL YOU JUST GROWING UP, BEFORE BEING A COUNCILMAN, YOU ARE I BRING MY KIDS TO THE BEACH I AM SO GLAD YOU WERE THERE. TO LEAVE THAT LEGACY, OBVIOUSLY YOU GOT BIG SHOES TO FILL. I THINK YOU WILL DO A GREAT JOB AS WELL. YOU HAVE SHOWN TO PEOPLE LIKE ME AND TO MY KIDS AND MY FAMILY JUST GREAT RESPECT AND A GREAT VISION. I AM GLAD TO SEE IT GO THIS WAY AND I AM SORRY TO SEE YOU LEAVE, MAN.

ENJOY COASTING.

YOU GOING TO PAN THAT MA.

GO DOWN THERE AND HAVE A GOOD TIME.

THANK YOU.

MISS DENYS JOSH FOR THE RECORD. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT NOT GETTING CAUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IN THE RIPTIDES, RIGHT. I WANTED TO CLARIFY THE COMMENT. I WAS JUST GOING IN THAT ZONE, TRY TO PULL THEM OUT. AND EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT IT IS WRONG TO SURF THERE.

JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR MY COLLEAGUE NOW. ENOUGH ABOUT JOSH. YOU KNOW WHEN I LISTEN TO THE RETIREMENTS, I LISTEN TO THOSE THAT YOU HAVE WORKED WITH. THERE IS A COUPLE OF KEY PHRASES IN WHAT I HEARD IS THAT YOU HAVE LED BY EXAMPLE. YOU HAVE A CALM STEADY HAND AND WHAT MORE DO WE NEED FOR A BEACH DEPUTY CHIEF. WHEN MR. SWAN SOMEONE SAID YOU WERE THE FACE OF IT IS BEACH SAFETY. IT IS REALLY IS LIFE SAFETY. SEVERAL YEARS AGO. YOUR TEAM DID SAVE MY GRANDDAUGHTER. IT WAS IN GREAT PERIL. I AM VERY THANKFUL THAT YOU HELPED WITH THE SAVE OF MY GRANDDAUGHTER. ENJOY YOUR YEARS. OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE MANY LEFT BECAUSE YOU STARTED SO EARLY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

MISS CUSACK.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. WELL START YOU ARE GOING FROM 440 SOUTH BEACH STREET DOWN TO THE MOVING ON UP. TO A1A.

OH THAT'S QUITE A MOVE, YOU KNOW. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE I REMEMBER DOING THE EVALUATIONS ON TOLL TAKERS AT THAT 440 SOUTH BEACH WHEN THE LIFE GUARDS ALL OF THEM WERE YOUNG AND HAND SOME AND WELL BUILT. AND IT WAS QUITE AN EXPERIENCE FOR A LITTLE OLD LADY TO SEE THAT. SO I DID NOTICE MR. DENEEN. YOU NEVER GET TOO OLD TO LOOK. SO I BETTER QUIT AND JUST TELL YOU YOU WERE A GOOD-LOOKING THEN AND YOU ARE A HANDSOMEER NOW.

DON'T STAY AWAY TOO LONG. COME BACK TO 440 IF NOTHING MORE THAN TO STRUT YOUR STUFF.

MISS CUSACK ARE YOU TRYING TO CHARGE UP YOUR COUGAR STATUS.

IT STAYS UP. ON A MORE SERIOUS NOTE. TO SEE THAT YOU CAN ALSO HAVE THE HUMOR THAT IS NECESSARY BUT THE SARCINAS IS NECESSARY TO BE A LIFE SAFER FOR MANY. I APPLAUD YOU AND I APPLAUD ALL OF YOUR WORK. ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS OF VOLUSIA COUNTY AND THIS GREAT COUNTRY WE LIVE IN THAT COME TO PLAY AT OUR BEACH, THANK YOU. WE WISH YOU WELL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NO THANK YOU MISS CUSACK. MR.LOWERY PLEASE.

THANK YOU I AM NOT SURE WHAT TO SAY AFTER THAT. BUT ANYWAY, I WAS LISTENING TO THE MINUS TWO DOWN THERE. I THINK THERE IS A LITTLE MINUS TWO IN ALL OF US TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I NOTICED THERE WAS A LISTING OF PUERTO RICA AND ISLANDS. I THINK THE LADY YOU MET ON THE BEACH AND MARRIED MIGHT REVERSE THE ORDER OF THOSE TWO THINGS. I WANT TO SAY QUICKLY I CONTINUE TO BE IMPRESSED WITH THE STAFF HERE WITH THE QUALITY OF EMPLOYEES. WHEN I WAS AT THE APPRECIATION DINNER YESTERDAY TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HEAP EVEN 45 YEARS I THINK SPEAKS HIGHLY TO THE LEADERSHIP HERE. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF DURATION IF SOMETHING IS NOT BEING RUN PROPERLY SOCON GAT LAYINGS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

OKAY. WELL THAT'S ALL THE COMMENTS HERE. GO FORTH. HAVE FUN. DON'T BURN YOURSELF OUT SUFFERING TOO HARD. DON'T BURN YOURSELF OUT FIXING THE HOUSE.

IT HAS BEEN AN HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO WORK HERE. AND SINCERELY I WOULD NOT CHANGE ANYTHING.

WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. AND THERE STILL CAKE OUT THERE, RIGHT?

WE'RE STILL LIVE ALL RIGHT. YEP. WE HAVE TO HAVE PICTURES. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES FOR PICTURES. SO WE WILL BE IN RECESS

BROUGHT THE TROOPS TOGETHER IT. WE'RE TRYING TO FOCUS ON SOME SPECIFIC PROJECTS. WHICH ARE LISTED. THESE ARE THREE OF THEM ARE WATER RELATED PRONES. WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

DISTRICT WILL RANK THEM HIGH FOR THE LEGISLATURE. 6. THE WILLIAMSON BOULEVARD WIDENING WILL BE ADDING TO YOUR AGENDA. THIS WILL PROBABLY REQUIRE US TO GO THROUGH TPO TO QUALIFY. WE WANT TO PUT ON IT THE LIST. THIS IS NOT JUST A LEGISLATIVE MATTER. WE'RE WORKING WITH VARIOUS AGENCIES TRYING TO GET THESE THINGS ACCOMPLISHED. IT IS A TARGETED APPROACH. WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO APPROVE THE LIST AS WE HAVE ADDED FOUR PROJECTS. WE CONTINUE TO FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT WITH THE LEGISLATURE ON THE DJJ MATTER. MR.ECKERD WAS KIND ENOUGH TO GET UP AND DRIVE TO TALLAHASSEE ON MONDAY FOR A MEETING WITH THE SENATE LEADERSHIP. WE'RE FIGHTING THAT FIGHT. WE WOULD REQUEST AN APPROVAL OF THIS AMENDED AGENDA.

IN ADDITION WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, PROBABLY AT THE NEXT MEETING F WE COULD, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DJJ. WE HAVE A REAL ISSUE FACING US. WE SPENT TIMES A A GROUP, MYSELF AND DAN AND OUR EXECUTIVE GROUP, TALKING TO MR. RENT HEART ABOUT THIS ISSUE. THAT'S WHY HE SET THAT MEETING UP. DAN WAS KIND MUST HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY UP AT THE LAST MINUTE AND HAVE A DISCUSSION AT THE STATE LEVEL. THIS IS THE ISSUE, NOT ONLY ABOUT THE MONEY THAT WE'RE OWED WHICH I THINK WE WILL NEVER SEE. BUT IT IS THE WAY THEY ARE RECONSTRUCTING THE FORMULA SO THAT WE WOULD EVEN OWE MORE. WE'RE GOING TO END UP OBJECT THE SHORTENED OF THE STICK AS THE STATE TRADITION IS KNOWN. WANTS TO SHIFT THE COST TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND THEN CLAIM THEY CUT TAXES. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION. MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING WE COULD TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND TALK ABOUT IT. THIS ALL COMES DIRECTLY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND IN THE CASE OF DJJ. WE'RE REALLY NOT BUDGETED FROM THESE KIND OF IMPACTS FROM THE STATE TOGETHER WITH SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT IS GOING ON WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS' TAX. HOPEFULLY THAT WON'T ABILITY US BUT THAT COULD KILL MSD. I WOULD LIKE TO HOLD THE DISCUSSION ON DJJ FOR A SPECIFIC DISCUSSION ON THAT TOPIC, MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING. VERY WELL. IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO PUTTING DJJ ON THE SCENE OF THE ACCIDENT COUNCIL MEETING. YOU HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE COUNCIL. PLEASE PUT ON IT THE SCHEDULE. ALL RIGHT MISS DENYS YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU. I AGREE WITH THIS. MY ONLY COMMENT HERE IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION SEEKS APPROVAL TO FOCUS THESE PROJECTS, WHICH WE AGREE WITH. I AGREE WITH. GRAY ROBINSON AND STAFF WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR. I AM BEGINNING TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LOBBY AND THE TERM MONITOR. WE HIRE LOBBY I WOULD LIKE TO SEND THE NEGLIGENT OUR LOBBYIST. I DON'T WANT IT MONITORED. I WANT THEM ACTIVELY ENGAGED AND REPORTS. I AM OVER GETTING E-MAILS WITH VIDEO CLIPS AND WHAT IS GOING ON GENERICALLY. WE HIRED CERTAIN LOBBYIST TO REPRESENT VOLUSIA COUNTY ON ISSUES THAT ARE NOT JUST IMPORTANT BUT CRITICAL. WE'RE AT A CRITICAL STAGE ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES SPECIFICALLY DJJ. AS THE MANAGER HAS SPOKEN ABOUT. IF THERE IS ANY MESSAGE I WOULD LIKE RELAYED IS I AM LOOKING FOR AN AGGRESSIVE APPROACH. THIS YEAR I AM LOOKING FOR RESULTS. NOT EVEN REPORTS. THAT COINCIDE WITH PASSIVE MONITORING. I AM LOOKING FOR RESULTS THAT ARE CONNECTED WITH ACTIVELY ENGAGING THE ISSUES. AND THAT IS HOW I WILL GO FORWARD IN THIS CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS, GOING FORWARD AFTER THIS. I AM LOOKING FOR RESULTS. IT IS TIME. WE NEED IT. THANK YOU. MR.PATTERSON.

YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I AM IN FAVOR OF THESE PROJECTS ALSO. I WANT TO ECHO WHAT MISS DENYS HAS BEEN SAYING. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THESE ITEMS.

MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

ESPECIALLY WILLIAMSON BOULEVARD WIDENING. I THINK THAT ROAD NEEDS TO START TAKING SHAPE AND LOOKING LIKE AN AREA OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I MEAN WE HAVE TRADER JOES GOING OUT. THERE WE HAVE THE OUTLET LOOKING AT THAT. IF SUDDENLY YOU GO FROM A FOUR LANE DOWN TO THE FUNNEL EFFECT. SAME THING I HAVE OUT HERE FROM STATE ROAD 44 IN DELAND WHICH IS ANOTHER BIG DEAL FOR ME, YOU KNOW DOING SOMETHING WITH THAT. THIS IS GOOD. THANK YOU ON THAT. AND ANYTHING I CAN DO, I WILL BE GOING TO

TALLAHASSEE ON MY OWN. I WILL BE TALKING THESE PROJECTS UP, ALSO. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. MISS CUSACK.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. ECONOMY JUST ECHO THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY MY COLLEAGUE W. THE ADDED CAVEAT IF YOU WILL THAT PROJECTS THAT ARE SHOVEL READY BE WILL MORE THAN LIKELY HAVE THE BEST CHANCE OF BEING FUNDED. OUT OF FOUR PROJECTS WHERE ARE THEY AS FAR AS BEING SHOVELE READY?

THESE PROJECTS CAME OUT OF OUR VETTING WITH OUR LOCAL LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION. SHOVELE RED I HAVE A TRICKY TERM.

SO THE THING THAT IS.

THAT SEEMS TO BE THE WAY THEY ARE NOTHING IN TALLAHASSEE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR LOBBYIST ARE MONITORING. WE HAVE SOME GOOD SPONSORS HERE. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD PROCEED IN OUR CERTAINLY AGREE WITH ADDING THESE PROJECTS TO OUR PRIORITY LIST.

THANK YOU. TO THAT POINT, THE TEAM HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF GETTING SPONSORS. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE HAD MEETINGS WITH THE DELEGATION BEFORE. THEY HAVE AGREED TO SPONSOR THESE. IT IS A DIFFERENT APPROACH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU MISS CUSACK.

MR. DANIELS.

I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND THE STAFF ON THE WAY THEY HAVE HANDLED THIS. YOU KNOW WITH LOBBYIST. YOU HAVE TO STAY BEHIND THEM. YOU HAVE TO WATCH WHAT THEY ARE DOING. IT IS NOT LIKE HIRING A LAWYER TO TRY A CASE. IN THAT THERE ARE DEADLINES AND THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE. LAWYER'S REPUTATION IS ON THE LINE. THERE IS A RESULT IN THE END AND HE IS JUDGED BY IT. A LOBBYIST IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. IF YOU DON'T STAY BEHIND THEM AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE FOCUSED ON WHAT IT IS YOU WANT THEM TO DO. THEY WILL DRIFT OFF TO SOMETHING ELSE. IT IS VERY EASY TO DO IN TALLAHASSEE. L IS SO MUCH GOING ON ALL AT THE SAME TIME. THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO IS WHOEVER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LOBBYING CORE IN TALLAHASSEE AND IN DC ON THE EXTENT THAT CUP DEVELOP OTHER CHANNELS OF COMMUNICATION SO YOU THAT KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HEARINGS THEY NEED TO GO TO. WHAT PEOPLE THEY NEED TO BE INFLUENCING. NOT LIKE HIRING A PROFESSIONAL LAWYER. SAYING GO TRY MY CASE. IT IS NOT LIKE THAT AT ALL. I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU GUYS ARE ON TOP OF IT. AND STAY THERE. THANK YOU.

MR. LOWRY.

THANK YOU, SIR. I WANT TO ADD I AGREE THE COMMENTS IN REGARD TO THE LOBBYIST. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE OR THE THEM TO HAVE BEEN HERE TODAY.

YES, SIR WE FELT AS A STAFF THAT THEY ARE IN TALLAHASSEE ATTENDING COMMITTEE MEETINGS THIS WEEKEND. WE CAN ARRANGE FOR THEM TO BE CONFERENCED IN. WE WERE WILLING TO DO. THAT WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP THEM FOCUSED ON THE DJJ EFFORT WHICH HAS HAD SOME LEGS THIS WEEK AS WELL. WE WILL FOLLOW YOUR REQUEST, TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE HERE.

YES.

OKAY I TELL YOU. THIS SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY IS AGREEING ON THE SAME ISSUE. WE'RE LOOKING FOR RESULTS. AND YOU GUYS ARE VERY MUCH ON TOP OF. THAT BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF WE COULD POSSIBLY GET MAYBE A WEEKLY OR BI WEEKLY UPDATE IN WRITING. SHE GIVES US THE WEEKLY REPORT. SHE SAYS YOU WANTED THIS. WE DID THIS. THIS IS HAPPENING OR NOTHING IS HAPPENING. OUT OF SESSION OR WHATEVER. I THAT I MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO THIS COUNCIL. I DON'T KNOW M PATTERSON.

BEFORE I CALL THE QUESTION HERE. I THINK PROBLEM WITH DOING IT IN TALKING TO DOUG BELL WHEN HE WAS REPRESENTING US, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WAS HE WAS SPENDING THE ENTIRE FRIDAY NIGHT, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY PUTTING TOGETHER A REPORT TO COME TO US. SO I DON'T WANT TO OVERBURDEN THEM. I WANT THEM OUT THERE WORKING FOR US, MEETING WITH PEOPLE. SO WE CAN POSSIBLY.

NO, I WAS SUGGESTING THAT OUR STAFF KIND OF KEEP US UP.

RICK AND ANDREA HERE THEY ARE ON IT. THEY KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. THEY ARE IN CONSTANT CONTACT. IF THEY CAN GIVE US A BLURB REPORT. I AM ASKING THEY TALKED TO SOMEONE ON DJJ AND GETTING SOME HEAD WAY.

I COULD AGREE WITH. THAT JUST A VERBAL CHAT WITH THEM OR SOMETHING. YOU GET SOME LONG REPORT AND YOU KNOW THEY ARE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON IT. I WOULD REALLY RATHER HAVE THEM KNOCKING ON DOORS UP THERE.

BEFORE YOU CALL THE QUESTION, DID YOU, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CALL THE QUESTION PLEASE SIGNIFY BY I. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SO CARRIED.

YES AND NO. IT IS A PUBLIC COMMENT BUT IT IS LISTED FOR ITEM 4. BUT IT IS NOT ON SUBJECT. SO I WAS GOING ASK THE COUNCIL IF WE COULD HEAR THIS AFTER WE MAKE OUR VOTE IT WOULD THAT BE ALL RIGHT. IT IS FROM JIM CAMRY. IT IS ABOUT VOLUSIA DAYS. MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY: ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SO CARRIED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW MR. CAMERON,.

THIS IS NOT YOUR FIRST RIGHT.

THANK YOU ALL FOR LETTING ME JOIN YOU TODAY.

WAIT. NAME POSITION.

I STAND CORRECTED. I AM JIM CAMERON SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT GOVERNMENT RELATIONS, DAYTONA REGIONAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES SIR.

JUST WANTED TO SAY WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY CHAMBER IN PUTTING TOGETHER OUR PRIORITY RECOMMENDATIONS. AND ARLINE SMITH HAS BEEN SERVING ON OUR COMMITTEE. WE APPRECIATE THE WORK SHE HAS BEEN DOING KEEPING OUR PRIORITY RECOMMENDATION ALSO COORDINATED WITH WHAT YOU WORKING ON HERE AS WELL. WE HAVE SOME OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ALIGNED TOGETHER. I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT WE DO HAVE VOLUSIA DAYS SO TO SPEAK. WE TAKING A SMALLER GROUP GOING UP THERE ON THEIR OWN SO TO SPEAK. ON TUESDAY THE 24th ARE GOING TO BE MEETING.

IS THAT MARCH 24th.

MARCH 24th. AND SO THAT IS GOING TO BE A SMALLER GROUP. NEXT DAY WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING A BUS GOING UP THERE. LEAVING FROM THE SPEED WHICH THAT MORNING AT 6:00 AM. WE WILL BE GETTING MORE DETAILS ON THAT. WE'RE TAKING A BUS LOAD OF PEOPLE UP THERE ON THE 25th. THAT'S THE DAY LONG TRIP. WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH YOU ON ANYWAY WE CAN ON VOLUSIA DAYS.

THANK YOU MR. CAMERON.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE'RE MOVING ON. ITEM NUMBER 5 IS A MINIBUDGET WORKSHOP. THIS IS ON WATER QUALITY FUNDING DISCUSSION. MISS MARY ANNE CONNORS AND, DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS, CITIZEN DISCUSSION ON ITEM FIVE YET? OKAY. I DIDN'T GET THEM YET.

MISS CONNORS PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND IDENTIFY YOUR POSITION AND YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

GOOD MORNING COUNTY P COUNCIL MARY ANNE CONNORS DEPUTY COUNTY MANAGER. I HAVE MY LOW VOICE TODAY.

PULL THE MICROPHONE UP.

I AM SORRY.

HELPFUL? OKAY. RECEIVED AN E-MAIL RECENTLY. HAD ONE OF THOSE QUOTES AT THE BOTTOM THAT SEEMED APPLICABLE TO THIS DISCUSSION. IT SAID. NO ONE CAN DO EVERYTHING. BUT WE ALL MUST DO SOMETHING. AND SO THAT'S A BIG PART OF HOW WE HAVE TO APPROACH THIS ISSUE. TO RECAP. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. TWO WEEKS AGO WE RECAPPED THE COUNTY'S WATER QUALITY PLAN. IT HAS THREE ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS THAT TOUCH ALL OF THE PROJECTS. OF COURSE ONE IS TO IMPROVE OUR STORM WATER TREATMENT AND REDUCE KNEW TREE CENT POLLUTION. THAT INCLUDES BOTH STORM WATER AND WORKING WITH OUR. NUMBER 2 IS ELIMINATION OF SEPTIC TANKS TO IMPROVE WASTE WATER TREATMENT IN THE COUNTY. SOME OF IT SEPTIC. SOME OF IT ALSO THE WASTE WHAT YOUR IS COMING THROUGH CENTRAL SYSTEMS. SLIDE. THIS SLIDE REFLECTS THE VARIETY OF FUNDING SOURCES. WE JUST OUTLINED OUR LEGISLATIVE REQUESTS FOR THIS YEAR. COUNTY IS SEEK ALMOST $4 MILLION. BUT LOOKING AT THE WATER PROJECT, LIST FOR VOLUSIA COUNTY AS A WHOLE, IT IS ABOUT $100 MILLION. HALF OF THAT BEING THE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE NOVA BASIN THAT ARE BEING

SOUGHT BY SOME OF THE EAST SIDE JURISDICTIONS. BY NO MEANS ARE THESE ALL SHOVEL READY BUT THEY DO REFLECT WHAT THE COST AND NEEDS ARE INVOLVED IN IMPROVING WATER QUALITY.

THE CONSTRAINTS. LAST YEAR 25 MILLION WAS APPROPRIATED. THAT IS OVER THE ENTIRE STATE AND 40 SPRINGS AND SPRING SHEDS. SO THE COMMITMENT OF FUNDING NEEDS TO BE INCREASED AND ALSO ALLOCATED OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME IF WE'RE EVER TO APPROACH THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS THAT ARE NEEDED STATEWIDE:

THE BASIN STUDY UPDATES. THESE ARE ALL PROJECTS WE WILL DO. SOME SOLELY WITH OUR STORM WATER FUNDING. SOME WITH STORM WATER AND PERHAPS GRANTS. BUT THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN APPROACH WITH PARTNERS ALSO. THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS WE WANTED TO SHOW A CUP OF THE THE BASINS. WHAT IS IMPORTANT HERE IS TO NOTE ONLY THOSE DARKER AREAS ARE UNINCORPORATED. A LOT OF THE WATER BASINS IN THE COUNTY ARE SHARED IN LARGE PART WITH MUNICIPALITIES. SO HAVING THEIR INVOLVEMENT IS CRITICAL TO ACTUALLY MAKING A DIFFERENCE. SLIDE.

ON WEST VOLUSIA AGAIN THESE ARE OUT FALLS WHERE WE WILL BE DOING PROJECTS WITH OUR STORM WATER FEES. BUT THEY DRAW UPON BASINS THAT ALSO COME THROUGH MUNICIPALITIES ON THE WEST SIDE. BUT SINCE GEMINI SPRINGS IS ONE OF OUR TARGETED BODIES WE THOUGHT WE WOULD REFLECT A PROJECT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. ON THE EAST SIDE WE ALSO HAVE WILBUR. THE REASONABLE ASSURANCE PLAN. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SINCE THE WATER QUALITY WORKSHOP. THIS IS IF YOU LOOK OF WOULD HAVE TO GO UNDER V MAPS. REASONABLE ASSURANCE PLANS ARE MEANT TO ALLOW YOU TO DEVELOP YOUR PLANS OUTSIDE OF THE REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT. BUT ALSO STILL QUALIFY POUR THE MONEY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROGRAM. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE WE HAVE FOCUSED ON MOSQUITO LAGOON. WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE CITIES OF NEW SMYRNA, EDGEWATER AND OAK HILL. WE ALSO EXPECT TO HAVE SIGNIFICANT STATE INVOLVEMENT IN THIS ACTIVITY. WE WILL BE LOOKING BOTH AT DISCHARGES FROM STORM WATER AS WELL AS WASTE WATER AND OF COURSE THE SEPTICS IN THIS REGION. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE THE COUNTY UNINCORPORATED AREA IS A LARGER PORTION OF IT. MUCH OF IT LIMITED DEVELOPMENT IT IT IS NOT THE URBAN AREAS THAT ARE REFLECTED IN THE CITIES. COUNTY STORM WATER FEE.

AT THAT TIME THE COUNTY STORM WATER IS COLLECTED AS A AN ANNUAL ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY TAX BILL.

ESTABLISHED UNDER THE ASSESSMENTS PROCESS. THERE IS A CAP ESTABLISHED. RIGHT NOW OUR CURRENT FEE AS YOU SEE IS $72 A YEAR. OR $6 AS MONTH. WE GIVE BOTH MEASURES BECAUSE FOR COMPARATIVE PURPOSES LOOKING AT WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE CITIES. THEY COLLECT THEIR STORM WATER FEES AS PART OF A MONTHLY UTILITY BILL. IT IS JUST TO PROVIDE AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON. VOLUSIA COUNTY IS JUST ABOUT IN THE MIDDLE. WE HAVE $6 HAD THAT FOR 10 YEARS. YOUR CAP IS SET AT $8. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE LOOK AT IS DOING THE KIND OF INCREMENTAL INCREASES THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT. CERTAINLY THE CONTEXT OF THE BEACH TOLLS WHERE WE SEED MY GOODNESS HOW DID WE GO THIS MANY YEARS WITHOUT TOUCHING IT. PERHAPS AN INCREMENTAL APPROACH MIGHT BE A GOOD WAY TO START MOVING THIS AND PUTTING MORE MONEY INTO WATER QUALITY. WE DO

COLLECT ABOUT $4 MILLION IN ANNUAL REVENUES. OKAY THERE IS THE THERE IS OUR.

MISS CON NOR.

I HATE.

YOU ON SUCH A ROLL. I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK HERE TO ONE OF YOUR SLIDES HERE SHOWS ANNUAL STORM WATER FEE. I NOTICE WE GOT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE CITIES THAT ARE NOT PAYING ANY STORM WATER FEE.

EACH JURISDICTION SETS THEIR OWN. THERE ARE CITIES THAT HAVE NOT GONE THIS ROUTE. AS YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THE CITIES THAT HAVE, THE TOP FOUR ARE PRETTY MUCH YOUR COASTAL OR RIVERFRONTS FINDS OF CITIES. THEN YOU GET TO DELTONA WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT FLOODING ISSUES. STORM WATER GOES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. IT IS BOTH FLOOD CONTROL AND WATER QUALITY. I THINK WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A REFLECTION OF CITIES THAT HAVE MADE THE COMMITMENT FOR ONE OF THOSE REASONS. MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT WHEN VOLUSIA COUNTY PASSED ITS STORM WATER FEE IN THE EARLY '90s IT WAS DONE ON THE BASIS OF WATER QUALITY. THAT'S WHAT WAS APPROVED. THE NEXT YEAR IT RAINED AND IT WENT TO FLOOD CONTROL. BUT IT WAS PASSED AS A WATER QUALITY MEASURE.

THANK YOU. SORRY.

UH-HUH (AFFIRMATIVE). SO THERE IS THE LARGE PICTURE. VOLUSIA COUNTY HAS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF SEPTIC TANKS. CERTAINLY THE 90 HOW THE IS DAUNTING. NEXT SLIDE. WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THE SOME PRIORITY AREAS. THESE ARE THE PRIORITIES FOR THE COUNTY. TO ACT UPON. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE SOME OF THE CITY CONCENTRATIONS OF SEPTIC TANKS. FOR EXAMPLE IT DOES NOT REFLECT DELTONA. BUT THESE ARE THE SEPTIC TANKS EITHER BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA OR BECAUSE THE COUNTY IS THE WASTE WATER PROVIDER CAN HAVE A ROLE. NEXT SLIDE, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS. WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO MAY NOT THINK THAT SEPTIC TANKS ARE A PROBLEM. THIS IS REALLY JUST AN ILLUSTRATION THAT THIS IS NOT SIMPLY AN INCREMENTAL DIFFERENCE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND LINE THERE THE A NITROGEN PER YEAR. SEPTICS DO NOT TREAT FOR PIE IN CROW JEB. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS PRODUCED. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2 '3TO 7 POUNDS. ILLUSTRATES THIS IS AN EXPONENTIAL IMPACT. YOU SEE AT THE BOTTOM THE DIFFERENCE SEPTICS DO NOT PAY. FOLKS ON CENTRAL WASTE WATER DO. SO IN EFFECT YOU HAVE YOUR COST ASSIGNED TO THE LOWEST LEVEL OF POLLUTERS.

MARY ANNE.

YES, SIR.

IF ECONOMY ADD TO THAT. I THINK THIS SLIDE IS REALLY IMPORTANT. BECAUSE WHAT IT SHOWS IS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PAYING NOTHING, THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE PROBLEM, EVEN THOUGH THEY WANT TO PRETENDS THEIR SYSTEM SAY MY SYSTEM IS WORKING CORRECTLY. IT IS STILL THE BIG POLLUTE ER WHEN IT COMES TO NITROGEN. THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING ON THE PROBLEM. THEY ARE. YOU CAN'T ESCAPE THAT IF YOU ARE NEAR BODIES OF WATER. THERE ARE A LOT OF PLACES IN THE COUNTY THERE IS NOT REALLY AN ALTERNATIVE. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF CITIZENS THAT

PRODUCE LEAST ARE PAYING THE NO, SIR PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT. THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE. IDEA THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY I CAN'T PAY FOR IT, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT CHOICE IF YOU BUY A HOUSE THAT HAS THE SYSTEM ALREADY HOOKED UP. BECAUSE YOU PAYING ITER FOR IT. THOSE PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE THAT IN THEIR MORTGAGE, THAT SHOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PAY FOR THE SYSTEM. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PAYING THAT CHARGE IN THEIR MORTGAGE. BUT WE WILL NEVER GET ANYWHERE IF YOU CAN POLLUTE MORE AND PAY LESS. I THINK THAT THAT UNDERSCORE AS BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM.

THANK YOU.

AND SO WE HAVE THE NEXT SLIDE. AND THIS ESSENTIALLY ASSIGNS SOME ROLES TO THE GROUP WHO IS ALL OF US MUST DO SOMETHING. STARTING WITH STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GRANTS. WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WILL BE A COMMITMENT OF FUNDING TO HELP ELIMINATE SEPTIC TANKS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA ALSO HOPEFULLY THAT PERHAPS UNDER THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON ACTIVITY WE WILL SEEK SOME FEDERAL FUNDING. LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THAT ROLE OF PROVIDING A LOCAL MATCH. WE HAVE PROCEEDED WITH THIS ON THE BASIS THAT THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A REQUIREMENT FOR A LOCAL MATCH. I THINK THAT IS BOTH A REALISTIC AND CONSERVATIVE WAY TO APPROACH IT. THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ROLE FALLS IN TWO CATEGORIES. THERE IS A GOVERNING JURISDICTION AND THEN THERE IS A YOU TILT SERVICE PROVIDER. WE HAVE A VARIETY OF SITUATIONS IN THIS COUNTY. COUNTY PROVIDES SERVICES IN TO CITIES. THERE ARE CITIES THAT PROVIDE SERVICES IN UNINCORPORATED AREAS. NORTH PENINSULA, SOUTH PENINSULA. IT IS A MIXED BACK IN THIS COUNTY. I THINK SERVICE PROVIDERS DO HAVE OBLIGATIONSES. GOVERNING JURISDICTIONS, I THINK IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR PROVIDERS TO GO INTO ANOTHER JURISDICTION AND ESTABLISH ANY KIND OF FUNDING REQUIREMENT THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT. SO I THINK THIS ASSUMES THERE HAS TO BE SOME CONCURRENCE OF A GOVERNING JURISDICTION WITH A UTILITY PROVIDER'S PROJECT. AND THEN PROPERTY OWNERS. WE HAVE PROPERTIES THAT SOME ARE DEVELOPED ON THE WEST SIDE. THERE ARE MORE VACANT LOTS. ON THE EAST SIDE IT IS ESSENTIALLY DEVELOPMENT THAT GOES BACK INTO THE '60S '70S. SO THERE IS A PORTION OF THE WORK, THE ELEMENTS OF THE PROJECT IS THERE A PLANT CAPACITY AND IS THERE A FORCED MAIN AND COLLECTION LINES. THE COLLECTION SLAIN THE LINE IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE. THAT IS WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO STEP IN AND SHARE IN THE COST. SO SAMPLE PROJECT. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS IN THE OAK HILL AREA. THE COUNTY IS THE SERVICE PROVIDER AND IN THIS AREA OF THE SOUTHEAST. OUR PLANT IN THAT AREA, WHICH IS REGIONAL IN NATURE, HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR 20 YEARS NOW. AND THAT LINE HAS BEEN ON U.S.1 FOR 20 YEARS NOW. SO THIS IS IN EFFECT THE BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN PLACE. WE'RE ONLY TALKING HERE ABOUT THE EXTENSION OF COLLECTION LINES. LOOKING AT THIS MAP, YOU WILL SEE THERE ARE SIMPLE LAY SERIES OF DEVELOPMENTS. THESE ARE ALL ON THE RIVER. MANY OF WHICH ARE CHARACTERIZED BY HAVING CANALS COMING IN AND SO THEIR SEPTIC DISPOSAL IS A VERY DIRECT IMPACT IN TERMS OF THE RIVER WATER QUALITY. IT USED TO BE PERHAPS STILL IS, WE USED TO HAVE TO CLOSE THESE AREAS TO FISHING AT SOME TIMES AFTER A HEAVY RAINFALL BECAUSE OF THE FLUSH WOULD CARRY POLLUTANTS.

SO WHAT WOULD A SAMPLE PROJECT LOOK LIKE? THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT AGAIN WITHIN THE CITY OF OAK HILL B 304 LOTS. THESE ARE PLANNING LEVEL NUMBERS. THEY ARE NOT ENGINEERED NUMBERS. THEY ARE SIMPLY USING

ENGINEERING EXPERIENCE TO GIVE A SENSE OF SCOPE. AND APPROPRIATION. STOW CAP AM THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THIS PROJECT WOULD BE ABOUT 15 HOW THE PER PARCEL. THE IMPACT FEES AGAIN THESE BELONG TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. UP ABOUT IMPACT CONNECTION FEES ON THE ONSIGHT WORK WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL 5,000. YOUR TOTAL COMES OUT TO ABOUT 20000. THESE ARE NOT COSTS THAT STAY STATIC. THEY GO UP OVER TIME.

SO HOW THE ALLOCATE THAT KIND OF COST OUT AND EXAMPLE OF ASSESSMENT WOULD TAKE THAT CAPITAL INVESTMENT. ASSUME THAT WE GOT 50% OF IT. FROM A STATE GRANT OR FEDERAL. SO THAT KNOCKS OFF 7500. PLUS THE 5,000 ASSOCIATED WITH CONNECTION FEES AND ONSIGHT WORK. LEAVING ASSESSMENT ABOUT 12500. THIS IS THE TERM OF A STATE REVOLVING LOAN. THIS CONVEYS THE BENEFIT OF THAT LOAN PROCESS BACK TO A PROPERTY OWNER. BUT OVER A 20 YEAR PERIOD THAT WOULD BE $625 A YEAR PLUS INTEREST. THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED AT THE TIME OF THE LOAN. THAT'S HOW TO STRETCH IT OVER TIME. AND YES, ON TOP OF THIS, OF COURSE DO YOU HAVE A BILL. SO THE LOCAL FUNDING CHALLENGES, THIS IS QUITE SPECIFIC TO THE SEPTIC ISSUE.

IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH A SHALL IS SHOVEL READY PROJECT SOMEONE HAS TO ADVANCE TO CREATE IT TO DO THAT WORK. AND TO COMMITTING THEIR SUPPORT ON THE PROJECT. SECOND THING OF COURSE WE HAVE TO HAVE THE LOCAL MATCH FOR GRANTS AS OUTLINED ABOVE. THE PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE CITIES, AS I SAY WE HAVE A SERIES OF RELATIONSHIPS. WE NEED SOME COMMONALTY IN TERMS OF PURPOSE. WHO WILL DO THE WORK AND COMMIT TO SUPPORTING IT. AND THEN FINAL GOALS THIS FUNDING HAS TO BE STAINABLE.

CEREMONIAL MANAGEMENT IS SUPPORTED BY THE GENERAL FUNDS. WE DO, THESE PROGRAMS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COUNTY AS A

And then we would like to pursue this, excuse me, partnership with the local colleges. Is this an area where a lot of money can be spent to unknown benefit and we would like to see some research with the colleges to help us put our money to the best investment. What types of improvements have the best effect. Those are activities that we will certainly pursue in our budget request for next year. But we will make that part of the budget request. So the next steps in the process, of course, is to pursue the city partnerships for the septic conversions. We need to seek requests and agreements and in turn, be positioned to provide the same back to the providers if we want them to proceed in the unincorporated areas. We have our grant request that we are pursuing, just outlined in the legislative update for advanced waste water treatment. We will commit the storm water funding already, I would suggest that we do consider some movement in terms of our storm water fee, since it has been ten years already. The reasonable assurance process will now continue. We have had the initial meetings. We will have to work with our city partners to put together a pot of money for engineering to help guide that process. The funding from the general fund for water quality monitoring and outreach is outlined here and then as we will discuss in the next item, there is the advocacy for amendment one funding to be put into infrastructure. Questions?

Thank you, ma'am. We do have some citizen's discussion, too. Is there any other staff report if.

Yes, chair.

Yes,.

One, I want to really take a moment to tell Mary Ann and the whole staff how much appreciate the effort that was put behind not only the plan, but this discussion because I think they took a very, very complicated issue, broke it down so it is understandable, gave you an outline of where you may go, and even, though they were apprehensive and I said no, we are going do it any way, gave you an example because see, reality is, in my opinion, I would not want to budget anything in the general fund. It is small, I think it is $200,000 a year in this area. But I would be apprehensive if the cities will not take any roll. And this means, that they, the experiment, the area that she talked about, you know, if you wait 20 years and that is not good enough, when it is going to happen? Especially when your have service. There are issues that the county skill can get into. And there are communities, if the system is available, you can do things like that. But you are going to start telling people that they have some price that they have to pay to protect the environment. And I mean, but if the communities are not with us, I think Mr. Patterson can talk to this, if they are not with you, then we are wasting our time. They have to decide that they are a partner and maybe approve assessments an we do not believe that the citizens can afford the whole bill. But if you are not getting where you have a plan, or you can do a design or start trying to lobby for money from the state, then you can get it down to reasonable. But as you can see, everyone else that is in a system, pays for the system through their mortgage and they pay a monthly fee. But the monthly fee is to protect the environment. And I think we all have the duty if we are producing the waste, especially in sensitive areas. And you cannot be outraged about the quality of the environment when you are a contributor without taking any responsibility. So I really applaud ply staff,--applaud my staff, I think they went out their way and try today give you something to start leading the way. But I think you are going have to ask other people to join you. And then do I think it is a good expenditure? Yes, because in other words, if you are willing to join us, then we can start looking at should we do the engineering to start lobbying for the project, we would be glad to that. Will it make an impact in the long run? Yes. But it will start us down the path to making the changes. So what I like about this is I think, it is easy enough to understand, and I think this is a very, very complicated and expensive issue. I do think it is a good start if you want to go down that path.

All right, is there any other staff report? Okay. We are going to open up public participation section here before we go to council comment. I will call your name and you will come up and you will have three minutes, if you have never done this before. Mr. Henry pate, you are first up. Good morning, sir. Step up, give your name, please, and your position.

I am Henry, a principle research scientists. I am a 23 resident of port orange.

Okay. You three minutes, sir.

Thank you. I wanted to present to the council for their consideration [ Inaudible ] is a large--ma tell is a large research, non profit started in 1929 and the purpose of our company is to bring science to solving problems. And one of the areas we have been working on, and we actually presented this to the east central regional council, it was a plan, it is not quite shovel ready, but it is close, for restoring water quality in the Halifax and [ INAUDIBLE ] lagoon. We believe that the, the steps that you all are taking for septic tanks and storm water are definitely a step in the right direction but they are not just quite, they are not enough. What you need to look at is adding a comprehensive plan to restore flow and circulation, provide surface within the lagoon. It is not just enough to try to treat things before they come into the waterway. Because our waterways with a vast area for pollutants that are a legacy of days past. And until we look at ways to start to deal with that, we will not get the qualities of water that everyone is focusing on. And that being said, I am just trying to get the opportunity to present the same presentation that we have made to the regional council, to the staff, and the county council, as a way to start our journey much faster on getting the waterways restored. Thank you very much.

Thank you, sir. Tom friend. State your name an address for the record and you have three minutes, sir.

Yes, my name is Tom friend. I am from new Smyrna beach, Florida. And I do want to talk about nitrogen, NH2, it is ammonia. It is heavier than water and it sinks to the bottom. And while one of the things was to expand our monitoring and research through state funding, which is why I am here, St. Johns has recently put in ten new monitoring stations. None of them are in Volusia county and critically, none of them monitor the bottom of the rivers or the lagoon where the ammonia is. And what they are not revealing by not going doing this find d--by doing this kind of research is, the dissolved oxygen at the bottom of the inland waters. The dis-sol offed oxygen is not--dissolved oxygen is not there and without oxygen we cannot have the bacteria that historically have separated the ammonia at the bottom of the river and rendered them harmless. Now given the lack of flow that the itch land waters have suffered for a few years now based on basically, human accumulations, we are lacking in the oxygen. Now, at the presentation that was made, at the regional plans council, we had overwhelming support and the chair of the council asked that we bring the same presentation to this, to this council. We had originally anticipated being on today's agenda. Now what we are looking for, we would like to be on the next agenda to give you the presentation, and we are looking for the seven monitoring stations that would monitor in Volusia county, that would monitor dissolved oxygen at the bottom of the river and it would cost approximately $320,000. St. Johns has a grant that is a available for watching funds and they certainly have encouraged you apply for it. Now I do not expect you to apply for it without knowing more. But in three minutes, that is about all that we can do. But we very much would like to be on the next agenda and to be able to give a more complete exposition and what you are going to find is that laudable as stopping

the leakage of the septic tanks, it will not restore life to the lagoon. And arolla gang is a multibillion dollar--and our lagoon is a multibillion dollar resource for the county. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. Steven K IT TNER. Name and position.

Stain kicker. [ Inaudible ] here to support you moving forward with the plan in the budget workshop. It is very, very important that we protect the water quality in Volusia county. Water is invaluable, irreplaceable. We have to have it to exist. I can talk to you all day about the environmental impacts. It is a whole other issue. Poor water quality impacts property value, impacts economic development, impacts tax revenue. I live in a community in south Deland and take a look at what it has done to the income that you bring in and the property taxes until the in the area--in the area. Poor water quality impacts the value of our homes and impacts businesses. So this is very much an economic issue for you to look at. We have got to work at this. We have other communities around the United States, including the beach, which I am going to be drummed off and hauled off of the super fund site. So those are things that we have to look at. We are here to help you, support you, if we can go out and, Williams do already, promote this and talk to people about that, we do that. So we are your partners. And please, you are heading in the right direction, just continue on. Thank you very very much.

Thank you. Is there any other citizen participation?

No, sir.

Okay. We will close that portion of our discussion. All right. Now we are going to council discussion. I have a question, Ms. Conor, if I can get to it here. Still going back there to slide nine of 20. That is the one where it showed all of the cities and what they pay for storm water fees. Now, sorry, now this storm water fee, this is a storm water fee that is assessed and comes to the county government, or it is city?

No, each jurisdiction does their own assessment. In the cities, it is usually part of the monthly utility bill. The county does theirs as a property assessment.

Okay. Now, I noticed, of course, I said Daytona shores, Pearson, oak hill, and others do not have the fee. Of course, we also do not have any, do we have a fee on unincorporated?

It is only in the unincorporated area. Only in the unincorporated.

So we pay a fee?

Correct.

Now if, these other one, two, three, four, five cities joined in on the bandwagon and assessed the, I will say $6 a month fee, or $72 a year, would that revenue help? Is there enough there? I mean, I guess I am saying, is there enough people living in the areas to assess that fee

that would actually assist in trying to fix the problem whatever way we decide to go?

Well, more money is good, certainly.

Well, of course, more money is good.

But in this case, really, what they are doing, I mean, some of the communities are wealth yearend they really cover their expenses outs of their general--out of their general funds. So they have not gone that particular direction as far as saying I need a separate assessment. But, what storm water fees do is allocate. They allocate to purpose and certainly, equity among the fee levels has been an issue in the past. I will share with the council, many years ago, we looked at trying to do something in the nova basin. And the inequity in the storm water fees at that time were a problem to group action because the partners did not feel they were share to go the burden in the same ways. But I think a lot of that has changed over time. You can see it is, it is basically a dollar, it is treat pretty common. But I think having a fee for purposes is important to funding the effort.

Okay. And I don't know which, looking through her quickly, which slide it was, to get, we have 90,000 septics in Volusia county, according to our documentation here. How many are in these, oh, there it is, no, it is actually page 10 of 20, it shows zone A, B, C, it has the circles and I know that is not every septic tank in the county. What could be the approximate cost of replacing all of those and those in affected areas with the big circle over to a system?

I don't have an exact number but you are in the hundreds-over millions--hundreds of millions.

Two, three?

Front.

Let's shoot the high side, $400 million maybe.

Well, $20,000 a piece, and if you did happen of them, maybe 50,000 is your target number.

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It is real money.

It is real money. It is a lot of real money.

Yes.

So that is what we are looking at.

It is. But, you know, it is important not to think of it though as, I mean, you can, you get out of the problem the same way we got into it, it is over time. It is not, you know, $100 million right now. It is, it

is something you try to change it slowly. So, the numbers are daunting but if you look at them over time, they are approachable.

Right. And I am looking at those maps with the circles and these are cities.

In some cases. In some cases.

Yes, I mean, it is not all cities. Some are unincorporated. But most of the areas, are one of the 16 cities or so.

And our concentrations in terms of unincorporated, we have again, the north peninsula and that is a big part of it. And the west springs basis is unincorporated and incorporated areas.

Okay, have we reached out, I am sure we have, have we reached out to the cities and say you need to come on board. We will help you. Are we trying to work with the cities to maybe split the cost three ways to help the citizens?

Well, what, I think that is part of our next steps. We had some individual discussions with cities that have an interest in the area where we are the utility provide IRENE but I think--provider but I think it is this discussion that sends us forth in what we do next in terms of the city partnerships.

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It is never real until you give people an example and say well, do you want to do something. And I think what she is trying to show, you are going to look at the most sensitive areas and then the areas that you know is having the problem. The first ones you are looking at the is there a service available? That is why she picked, you know, have no main line. Then you have a whole different ball game. But you have areas where they are very sensitive and there is service available, they may have to put the collection system in. And I think that is what she is trying to suggest, is that, and Mr. Daniels already talked to everybody, and I think the cities you should stand the issue but they can also not take the position well, we do not pay anything a month and we cannot afford anything. You can going nowhere there. So I think maybe looking at an example or two and seeing whether they want to work with us is a way to start. Because you are going then say there is a commonality that we are going to solve the problem and then you are going to apply for money from the state. Because we are the last bit. Our whole general fund budget would not hardly make a bent in this, okay? But we can do our portion. You start with the low hanging fruit and see whether we can get people to take it serious.

Well, I will tell you that two years ago when we first met on this council and Mr. Daniels made a statement about a sailboat. How is the sailboat doing by the way?

It is doing very well.

I got to see this.

I spend more time fixing it than sailing it.

The two best times are buying the boat and selling the boat.

You have to learn to like fixing it.

I got it. But he made the comment about going down and fishing and then I start today look into this thing and I got very serious about it myself. So I would like to work with the cities and I don't know if we need to have one big workshop, go to them individually, I will leave it to you, Mr. Manager, to let us know the right course of action to go down there and move this forward. Because it is a problem. And it has gotten really bad when 50% of the shellfish down in the south side of the lagoon area are dead and we are losing money. And that is revenue for us, for the owner, that is revenue all around. So, all right, Mr. Daniels, seeings as how I talked with you, I will give you the floor.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. You know, I am on the water round table and the chairman of the water round table, and on the round table in general, and the one thing that I have been surprised about is the level of support that the cities have shown for cleaning up the water in Volusia county. They all seem to be very much on board. They all seem to be very commit today making this happen. I don't think that we are going to have a whole lot of difficulty working things out with a number of the cities that have the problems. I think they are readily to do something, they understand the problem. They understand what it is going to do to them. They know what it is going to do to their property values. And let's take the example that you used. You used oak hill, well, you know, ordinary care hill is down--well, you know, oak hill is down there with a lot of trailers that are on the 50-foot lots and they are drinking each other's sewage. The water well is right next to where the septic tank is. We have the same sort of problem on the drive up in or man beach, the same sort of thing going on. But people want to move in in oak hill. They want to move the mobile homes away, they want to build nice houses and they are all going to want to be on the city sewer, or county sewer. They are not going to want to be on a septic tank. That is not really what we are interested in. And by doing this, in oak hill in particular, it is almost an economic development project. It is something that they could upgrade their housing stock down there. They can upgrate their tax base by making happen and to a lesser degree, it is the sort of thing that is going to happen everywhere else. You know, and besides that, it is just the right thing to do. We do not want to be responsible. We do not want to be the generation that loses the lagoon. We do not want to lose Indian river lagoon. We have to get on it and get on it now. You know, the amendment one people are, you know, a lot of those are interested in acquiring land and I do understand it because a lot of has to do with the protection of the ever everglades. ---of the everglades. But what good does the polluted water do you? It does not do you any good at all. This is one of the things that we have to fix now. We have to fix while we still can. And I would move approval of the plan that you have. But, I would like toed a one thing, if we could, let's go ahead and hire the

water quality person immediately, if we are able to do that so we can begin the monitoring. You know, there are other things going on, there is the, the Indian river lagoon interlocal agreement, we need to get on top of this and get on top of this as quickly as possible. I would like to move approval plus, that we go ahead and hire that water quality person immediately, that water call I will testing person immediately. Thank you.

I greatly appreciate that, sir. But this is a mini-workshop, we cannot do motions and votes. We can do it later.

Can we do a--

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County ill, then?

We can bring things back for approval.

And I think our next item is more of that venue, it is not?

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Is there anyone opposed to the plan?

No opposed.

No, I like that. I am not opposed to the plan.

I am hesitant.

Yes, I am trying to get the nuts and boltingss of the plan here. When you say monitoring. I mean, what and who, when, and where? I do not understand.

Mary Ann, if you would.

Sure, sure. We have, this is an expansion of the water quality monitoring. It would be to set up sights and do more analysis in terms of the information that we are gathering specific to you know, water quality in some of the sensitive water bodies. It is an expansion of an existing activity and in involvement with project H2O which is committing their resources into monitoring that specific to the Indian river lagoon. It is a level of service issue. Many of the things are. I think we need to expand our efforts for all of the reasons that we have discussed. It will hopefully give us bitter science for guiding the best investments in the future.

Any difficulty with that? Any difficulty with that?

I am still not clear on what, I can see what they are doing. But I do not understand the outcome and how it is going to help anything. I think we just need to--sure.

A more formal presentation before I vote for a motion on it.

Okay.

Well, this is not a motion, actually. This is a would you like to go forward with better monitoring of the Walter quality in the lagoon--of the water quality in the lagoon.

Okay, I thought it was a motion to bring it to council for a vote and a little bit more in depth. I mean, we went over a very broad, very broad subject matter here. And now we want to get it down to what would you like to hear about? And I think the question is monitoring, what is going to be the outcome.

It might be helpful. You know, we did it in the water workshop. I think it would be helpful to bring what we do in terms of water quality monitoring and how it would be expanded and the partnerships. I think it might be valuable.

Does anyone have any difficulty with the plan if we omit the hiring of a water quality specialist?

But is this, I think to council member Patterson's comment, this is just a workshop, we are not in a motion Topeka moke.

I am not looking for a motion [ INAUDIBLE ] low.

Right, he is looking to give direction to staff.

Direction to staff.

That is all.

And we can give direction to staff. We want the water quality issue brought forth, focused primarily on monitoring, that kind of thing. We can have staff move forward again.

I do not have a problem with the presentation coming forward so I can get a lot more information. I know what we are trying to do here and I am not opposed to that. I am just you know, I want to be able, to when people said what did you do today, I can give them a lot more information than what I am getting here. That is all.

Sure.

That is my position. It is not like I am violently opposed to it, or mildly opposed. I just want to get a lot more information. That is all. I feel it is my responsibility because people out there, sometimes when they hear something, it scares them and they will call me up and say what is going on? And I want to be able to explain it to them.

Okay. So, I guess, see, I am, I am at a great advantage here because I understand all of this, and right down to the science, because I have been dealing with this since your peeked my interest. And when I get my

interest peeked, believe me, I understand nitrogen as ammonia and I understand all of that junk. I got it. I understand that right to the atom.

For the rest ofs that need information, Mr. Chair, what I would like to see, first of all, the budget impact and I understand what Mr. Patterson is saying here ant the implications and if the staff manager feels that is a position that we need go, we can direct staff when we get down to it, Mr. Daniels, I would like more information and see what specifically, because when we are talking about monitoring, I do not want it to, we are going to monitor it, then what do we do with the effects? And we are looking for funding sources, I guess what I am saying is I do not want to get ahead of the funding sources and where we are going. If we can help us to get where we are going, in other words, I do not want to put, start before we have got the process ready. I understand what you are saying. And I would like to hear more, bring it back.

Sure.

Let me suggest this.

Yes, but he still has the floor and she was answering a question here.

Some where in here, I was on this that screen.

Yes, where did you go?

I don't know.

Oh, they just put it back on.

You were kicked off.

And Mr. Lowery, I think had questions.

Well, let's get back online here.

So what are you looking for stuff to bring back, Mr. Daniels?

Directions, the direction would be to follow the steps that are on the next steps program, which is the page 18 of the presentation. And I will omit the immediate hiring of the water quality monitorrer. And it seems to be a very basic sort of list of requests. Mary Ann, and I think both Kelly would probably agree, that this is you know, very basic and not really expensive.

All right. Now, I am going have to go to Mr. Patterson because he was next and some how he got bumped out of there. So Mr. Patterson, I am going to give you the floor, sir.

You know, I am looking at the page on the septic tanks and all of them in there. And I keep hearing state money and federal money and that. And I am wondering, if when we start talking about this thing, and I

mentioned this to the county manager, I think we need to look further on out there. And I thought that, I am thinking that maybe some type of interest free bonding, whatever that we could go outside to fund something like this, then it would be, you know, I am not an experted on that kind of stuff. I--expert on that kind of stuff. I know Mr. Daniels has some experience from back, a few years ago. I am wondering if something like that is available because there are bonding mechanickisms that we can use to mix in state and federal funding, maybe the bulk of it so we can do this. I see the zone, I mean, it is a huge area full of septic tanks and of course, that is two of my cities down there. We need to get them involved but the county also has Hamilton road area that has been such a nightmare all of these years. We need to get in there. We are turning the water into a septic tank, I think, I feel that is happening. I think looking at more creative funding mechanickisms. We are competing with a lot of other different projects out there. We are not the only ones that have to problem. I remember my last few years legislature, we did something up in the panhandle of Florida with septic tanks and they came after us with pitch forks because they didn't want to take it on. But does a huge problem up there also. So they have the same issues that we do. So I would really like to look AT&T whole bunch of funding mechanisms and then maybe we can use it to fund these things.

And let me share that we worked with port orange and the harbor oaks Allen dale area many years ago, and in order to help folks with their connection fees, port orange worked with the local-backs in term--local banks in terms-over establishing a loan process for them to secure that funding. Right now, this anticipates, as I said, the SRS funding which is right around 2% interest and that has been what we have used for utility projects. But surgeon I will working with local banks, I think--but certainly working with local banks, I think they take an interest in their local communities and will is a mix as to what the utility provider may be able to do. It is always going be a matter of how to extend this payment out over time, not only reducing it but extending it over time.

If I can add to this, because this is, if you look at page 18, the steps that Mr. Daniels is talking about, let's focus on the first step. Okay? I would not, I am not recommending as manager that we spend any money unless you have partners with the other jurisdictions. And that means they would have to agree that they would be in favor of things like assessments for the portion that the property owner has to pay. If they throw us out of town and have no interest in doing that, first of all, this is not a county issue in terms of that. It is a government issue of all governments. And we have to make sure that we have partners. And I think Mary Ann is trying to get at, it says fund, not expend right now. We would put it in the budget in the future with the idea that you would do these things and we would talk about doing things, if they want to do it. In other words, it is a leverage. If you want to do it and get serious, then we will spend some money here for monitoring and then where we are the party that can look at you know, we would be suppurative. Now they cannot pay the whole amount. So you have to find some grant money. But the part that they have to pay for, there are longer term loans and we can work on that. I think the key is

to say we are ready, were willing to do something. I guess, I agree with Mr. Daniels, sitting back and listening, except in one case, the pun person spoke, I am not sure they are a supporter. by think you---but I think you hear there is talk of support but are the same communities willing to be a part of allowing for an assessment if we get to that point to where people need to hook up. Because, if they are not, you cannot do this by yourself. And it would be a huge nightmare. But if people are complaining about water quality and they are polluting it, they also have to recognize that they are part of the problem. So that is what I think we are getting at, is if you want to approve, we will bring you back something that will detail this, but we are saying do that, as an inducement to the cities to see if they will take the next step with us. Then you can say okay, we know you are on board, like for example, the example in oak hill, I know that they talked about this, Mr. Patterson knows, how long ago was that?

1997. And it was the year that I was the chair, it was a shining moment for me.

There was a stop on the discussion.

Yes, you cannot get any where.

You can now say the word sewer in okay hill and ----in okay hill and not be a--in oak hill and not be arrested. You are good now.

So what we are asking for, the council, just some guidance, we will come back with a package of things that we think we can do. But ours is based on the things that they told Mr. Daniels, actually going a little further and saying they are open to the--open to the ideas.

Does that satisfy?

Yes. Well, just win point. I notice that had one of the cities that I represent, which is orange city has no storm water fee and yet you have got blue springs which is a big economic project, with their manatee festival and yet, they are not doing anything to clean up the storm water. It just does not make sense to me. That is just a side comment in there. And Pearson.

I am glad I am Volusia county unincorporated. Now Pearson, we need some help out there, I will not deny that. That is kind of funny. I am surrounded on three sides by Pearson. My fence line is the city limits. But no--each has said a bad word. Do not do that. Without further discussion, Mr. Lowery, please.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am a little bit hesitant on things because I would like for us to keep a balance on this. I do not want to open up the box where we are have a septic problem out there and converting 90,000 septic tanks all over to sewer, which is the kinds of things that people start to think about. Funding is so important on this. When we start to tell homeowners, who in good faith put in a septic tank

and then you are going to have to pony up thousands of dollars to change over to buy something that you really do not want. That is a concern I am going to have, especially down in the Deltona area. And I know it is an opportunity for Deltona to come on board and do some things. But I can see this snowballing into doing more than is really necessary. And that is a concern that I have. I know with have--I know we have some really critical areas that really, really need to be dealt with. But this becomes way expanded more than what we are thinking about right here. And just for the sake of bringing people online. So now the sewer can be profitable in the cities, we are going force all of the people that probably didn't need to. And that is my apprehension with this. Thank you.

Ms. Cusack.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think that what we have heard today is a notice of alarm that we need to do something. And I think that we, as a council, want to look at these next steps. But I think before we can do that anything, is we have to first address step one, which is city partnerships can septic conversions in those priority areas in particular. And so my solution, or my input would be that we would bring up a plan of action as to how we would parking lotter in with the other--partner with the other cities and they want the buy in with the idea that we have to deal with all of the cities where the conversion is really a priority. But I don't think that we are ready to move into you will of the steps. We cannot tackle all of the steps. My suggestion is that we do this step by step. And that direction for me would be that the council, I mean, that the staff would bring back to us a plan of action as to how we might be able to present with the cities also and to find out if they want to buy in. And if they want to, we proceed. If they don't, we do not work in that area. Because they have to have buy in. And the citizens have to buy in to doing this. So I think we need to just kind of take a back step and deal with step one. And proceed at that point in time. That would be my recommendation.

Okay, I think, I think it is an important point. It does work two ways. As both being invited in. But it is also, we have many areas of the county where the cities are the provider. So I think, it is both sides of that relationship. I think the council also has to consider which it would want to--what it would want to do in support of the city project. If we go and ask a city, would you extend your infrastructure into this unincorporated area, then the city is going to be like wise asking your staff, well, what is your commitment and your support. So it is going to be both ways. One of the things, and we did not discuss it here, because it was not rail I will about fund--not really about funding, but it is a policy issue. There are a number of things out there on septics. But, we probably, it would be surprise to many folks. But there are lines in the ground and one of the policy questions is well, who will require people to connect? You have providers, city providers in the unincorporated area that do not really want to take that on. But do you want to at least consider some standards in terms of requirements to connect where folks are in sensitive areas. Those are things, and I would want to bring you back again, some specific areas. Because I think it helps to have some examples in front of you to know

what Uritabing about. But the--what you are talking about. But the relationship goes in two different directions.

It goes to two directions and both directions are critical.

Yes.

And so therefore, that is the reason why I think that we need to be involved with the cities to find out what is their pleasure in moving forward with this if they want to be partners with us.

In that case, I will take the direction, I think there are cities that may be interested. There are certainly areas where would be interested and I will take that as direction to bring those back to council.

Yes, I know. You know, sometimes, she is sitting there and she is thinking and she is about ready, to think, I think she is done. Wait a minute, I had the floor and I get yelled out. It is all right. I am formulating a question for later. Mr. Wagner.

I will keep mine short because I know a couple of members have to leave at 12:30 p.m.

So I guess the issue for me is I am ready to move forward as fast as government can go. You know, we look at the cost of things, what is the cost of not doing it? The example, Indian river lagoon is 1500 jobs. I mean this is serious, serious numbs, economic development. That is not to mention the springs, the types of things that are going on, I went a couple of weeks ago and it was jam packed and it was great with the family. So here is my physical of what I want--my example of why I want to go right now. This is going to be a nasty example of why we need to do this. If everybody in the room was to go ahead and pee and poop in a bucket and I would gently place my water bottle in that bucket, brought it out and washed it off, how many of you would drink it? This is better than a septic tank that is happening right now. I would like to know, we can do it as an example and we can all test each and every one of you, but I know most of you are not going want to drink it. So time is now. Doug, I do not want to see pull back from hiring a water quality experted. We need that. We have a chance to save something. We have a chance to make a difference. It is expensive but the cost of not going something is more expensive. And I am not an environmentist. But we have to address this as fast as we can. County staff has targeted some specific areas. If we take their lead in some of the areas and get the low hanging fruit and take a targeted approach, the expense is not as high as some may think. Do we need federal and state support? Yes, but they are things that we can do to correct this problem in county government. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. Mr. Daniels.

I will drink it. Mr. Daniels.

Okay, one final thing. You know, let's focus really on what we are talking about here and what we have gotten off on is the cost of

getting all of this done and it is a lot of money spread over very many years if it was to go that far. But that is not what we are talking about doing today. That has nothing to do with what we are talking about doing today if you look at page 18. The first steps, city partnerships for septic conversion in priority areas. Well, what is that going to cost us to talk to the cities about doing some septic conversions? It is going to cost us a lot of money?

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What?

No, talking does not.

Talking does not cost you any money. Okay, great re-guests for advance the waste water treatment and improvements. Sending out grant requests.

Already done.

Does not cost you any money.

Not anymore.

A base sin map update.

We would do those are storm water utility fees.

And it is something that basically needs to be done any way.

Right.

All right, does not really cost you any money, something you have to do any way. Reasonable assurance plan process. I know you have been talking to cities like oak hill, edge water, new Smyrna beach about that. What is the reaction about that?

It is positive in terms of the process. Some cities are concerned about funding their participation. But I think is there enough support to go down the road.

So talking, talking about a reasonable assurance plan is not going cost us anything.

No.

And we are working with cities that would like to work with us, particularly if they can afford it.

The engineering involved is going to be of some consequence. But again, if we can find a way to approach it, doable.

Now the water quality person we were talking about is $37,000 a year. Now, is that going to break the county's budget? $37,000 a year? Are we all going to go bankrupt over $37,000 a year?

No.

Now, if we, if we were--everyone is just looking and like--

That was a rhetorical question.

It was a good answer.

It is not the $37,000, it is the time we spend it 12 times in a row. But that is how things cheep up. In this case, it is a reasonable amount of money to put out because we can afford it.

And well, Mr. Manager, do you support the $37,000 or not?

I do. I do as long as we do step one.

Well, yes, step one is critical to everything else, I believe. You know, step one is critical and if we had the reasonable assurance plan, we can go ahead and do the water monitoring moving norward. If you don't have anything going on, if nobody is interested in cleaning up the lagoon, you would not monitor the quality of the water. That would be crazy. Okay, advocate amendment one allocation for infrastructure and I assume that you mean amendment one go into septic tanks and sewer lines and trying to, to work on those kind of issues, that kind of thing. Is that what we are talking about?

Yes.

In fact, that was the wording you put forth in the round table discussion, in which people are voting on.

And have we already hired a lobbyist for this? To make the source of arguments in Tallahassee.

Answer to that is yes.

We are monitoring that.

We are monitoring that.

In other words, what we are talking about here is not going to cost us any money. It is just us going forward with the cities to see what it is that can be worked out. And I think it got tied up with the idea that well, we had already made the decision to go forward and we were going to tax everyone and the world was going to come to an end. It is not coming to an end. We are not spending a lot of money here. Again, I think that we should direct the staff to go forward with the plan and to hire the water quality person as soon as they can. Thank you.

And Mr. Dennieen, here is what I was thinking, sir, let's get an idea.

Let me add something to clarify this. I think it will help. Here is what we would envision, Mr. Lowery. And I think it is easier to better

understand. The whole thing about city partnerships, you go after the ones that are polluting the most, that has the infrastructure available and you are just talking about connecting. What we would do is we can use the examples and we look at a number of other areas. We are actually give them to the cities but we are not going any further in the city. So I know what you are talking about, you are talking about the fear that goes into people. But we are not going to go further in oak hill or Deltona. That is the area that they would support. Then that is what I mean about we are all on the same page. Then all of the things that Mr. Daniels talked about us doing in addition to the normal stuff we say well okay, we do the water quality. We are all doing it as a team. But I think the thing we are asking for, if you are okay with this, this can be a problem, we can point out all of the specific examples of where we think the low hanging fruit is and then if you say go with that, we go to the cities and say are you willing to be our partner this these areas. So you do not have to worry about expanding. And I am worried about, if they throw up their hands and do not want to do anything. I think we need to know that. I think I happened back in 1998. Now I am hearing at the round table, I do not think it is going happen now. But I think it will make a difference this they are with you an everybody agrees, okay hill says that a good one to start on. Deltona says that is okay. Wilber, it is a good one to start on. Okay? In other words, everyone has, we talk about the ones we are going to start and if we look at that, it will not be as scary. I think it would solve, that is our intent, it is to try to come up with more examples. So we can do all of that, bring it forward, and then I think you can tie any kind of funding to the fact that the cities would say they are on board.

And the six cans of the---and the significance of the commitments, yes, advance funding in order to do a design to create the project. I mean, getting to that point is essential to all of the grant discussions. So we have to take the steps that get us to that point. And those are the commitments that we need to make now on both sides of the issue. We have to put the service providers in a position of advancing money, at their risk, in order to establish a great ready project. Okay?

May I respond since I was addressed?

All right, you are addressed and you have the right of response.

Okay. I do not want to see this die today. Let me just say that. And I am not for polluting the waterways. But governments have a way of starting small and going nuts. And that is apprehension on this. And I am looking out for my people. And I like what you said about the groups can decide what they want to do. I am happy with that and I would be willing to support this to move on today.

All right, starting small and going nuts. Ms. Denys, you have the floor.

Thank you, just to comment, I think need to make delineation here, just because you are on a septic tank does not mean you are polluting. Does

not mean you are breaching. Does not mean josh, who is not the science guy's example exist all the time. Depending on certain areas, but I have to tell you, one thing that has not been, and I have not brought this up but maybe with will, I am on a septic tank. On two and a half acres. And the drainage field, it works well. It is a good system. It does not pollute. The newer systems are actually very effective depending on where they are. We know that scientific truth. We have been permitting them and the design is actually very good in the situations. What we are talking about is identified areas of concern. We all agree with that. We agree with that. The, even if we had municipalities such as oak hill recognize the need, they may, they do not have the resources for matching grants. They just do not. I am not sure, I am not sure where they would be. I just don't know. But it is, we have to be careful here with our statements because not everything is polluting, actually some structures are very sound and provide a very good process. Would you agree with that?

The 90,000 is not the target. And I have almost gotten so I do not want to talk about that number. It is a lot. But it is not, it is not what we need to be focusing on.

Agree.

That is not the problem.

Agreed.

There are septics in critical areas, and conditions, that need to be.

And we have identified those.

Good.

So going forward, I think what we are seeing as a council, where is there economic dellville--development, it is going depend on the willingness to partner with the county because it did not happen overnight. We are not going fix this overnight but it will require collaboration for success. And if we have a municipality or city that chooses not to on whatever level to participate then we move on to the next critical area for participation and collaboration. And that has to go without having a two hour conservation in council every time. Maybe we need to make a check off lust. If you do this, this, if you choose not to, that is okay. It is their right to represent their citizens that way. So I think that should be the test that we start to put on the things going forward. And then we move to the next site. But I understand what you are citing, Mr. Daniels. We had a full day of talking about this at the ocean center. We are always in agreement. It is like getting a resolution of support, it means nothing urn until we get to--nothing until we get to action. I am looking across the board on active participation, monitoring is good, fixing it is better. We need to get to yes to fix it and I am willing to go with that and start the process. And it is time to participate with a yes or a no.

Okay, Mr. Chair, I think I have a direction now that I can bring something book make it easier for you to move forward. I think I now know what you want to do. And that was really the nature of the day.

And we need to thank the staff who has really just done great work trying to put something together. And there is much more work than you have seen today that we can bring back.

All right.

Okay.

So is everybody good with that? Next meeting?

It is either the next or the one after.

I am looking at the next meeting.

Yes, no later than two meetings from now.

Okay. So be it. You have one more comment, Mr. Wagner?

You can go. Mine was more of a comment. Deb brought it up, and not all septic tanks are bad.

We are going to move ahead.

If I may, we have to jump ahead, because Ms. Cusack has to be there far vote and she has to leave soon. Right. So you have the floor now, sir.

Yes, you know, as far as comments, all septic tanks, well, no one ever said that, I never said it. I just said there is low hanging fruit, let's address it. I am sure there are safe ways of smoking crack. I think septic tanks are a bad way.

I am going to cover you yet again, Josh, keep talking.

Okay, my point is there are safe ways of doing septic tanks but we do not have the rules. There has to be stronger rules. The ones that are low hanging fruit, are the examples of oak hill, having 50 trailers on a bad system. I would explain my smoking crack comment if we had more time. But we do not. Thank you.

We don't. All right, we have, one of our council members has to step out. So we are going up to item number nine while we have a full council. And item nine is the ocean deck revised special event schedule for 10 to 15.

I--for 2015.

I will start it off. Obviously this, it has implications for the whole beach and this request has been, we had it up before, this is the follow up, we have had subsequent discusses with the owner, him and his attorney. I will tell you that I thought they were friend I will

meetings and everyone really tried to come together. I think they have scaled back their request for this season significantly from where they were. In the end, what we as staff came up with them and I think they understand this is where we are, we would recommend most importantly, that we change, that we update the beach policy for next year. We believe as a staff, that what we would suggest that you have in the new policy revisions for next year, will not allow this type of activity to this limit, to this amount. That being said, so we believe that we should come forward with a new policy. That being said, we also think that this issue with this applicant should be dealt with also in this season. So the new policy would be for the next beach season and you would all agree on it. So we are going to come forward with that, if you like. But we believe that you need to deal now with this individual. The things that we would suggest for the individual now, we do not believe would be allowed under the new policy. So this is a separate discussion then today about this re-fest for this year--request for this year and what I do believe and I have taken both the applicant and Mr. Merrill at their word, and I think they are very sincere, is that in the case of the calendar before you for this year, whatever you would agree to in that, they would not consider that setting a standard or a precedent or that they would feel that they would use this to regain this next year. They believe that they would at least like this issue looked at for this year without you being apprehensive of approving it. I hope I said that right. They have told me that. I believe them. I take their word at that. That being said, we are required as staff to look another what we think is the best way to handle this request. And the council may think we should go further or agree with that. We said that we would approve, well, I would rather have the county attorney tell you how we felt that under handle this and then let them make their pitch. And that is for this group for this season. Dan.

Mr. Chair, here is where I think we, there is much agreement, here is where I think, there is remains disagreement with the applicant and decision points for you. The staff recommendation is to that all equipment come off the beach each night. They would argue that it should not and for reasons that they will explain to you. The staff recommendation is that for any days that you approve, that outside of turtle season, the music end at midnight, consistent with Daytona Beach's ordnance. If you approve any days within the turtle season, that the music end at 9:00 p.m. because the DEP permit does not allow any lighting. And I might indicate, we have more communication regarding the leaving of equipment, that would support the notion that not only should there not be lighting but official and wildlife belief there should not be any equipment. So again, equipment off the beach. Music ends at midnight outside of turtle season. 9:00 p.m. in turtle season. And then, for, from the staff's perspective, Moe of the days--most of the days that are sought are in March. We understand is there a maybe a different weighting of interest during that time of the year and that some plans were at least under way. So we would recommend the calendar, with the conditions I visit state--I just stated, in March, but not after. We are not recommending any days after March. But if you do, the music ends at 9:00 p.m. So I think that sum rides where

we--summarizes where we differ with the applicant and what we told them last week would be the position.

Okay. Is there any other--

One other comment. One other comment. Mr. Merrill? Just so you, hold on for a second. I want to say this one more time. Dan told you what we recommend for this group for this year. Once again, he is going make his pitch, if you decide to do something other than what we recommended, because we are going work on a new policy. We are comfortable in the sense that we all agree it does not set a precedence. So if he makes his pitch and it goes beyond what we suggested, I think we agree it is your decision and it is not a precedent for next year.

So in other words, this is a special exception with a sunset on November of this year.

Whenever you do it. Yes, that is it exactly.

Okay. Okay. Is there other staff discussion?

That is it.

Okay, nothing. Okay. Mr. Merrill.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Rob Merrill for the record. 149 south ridgewood. Staff, appreciate very much all of the time you have spent, literally, many, more hours talking about this. And if you can indulge me with more than three minutes, we need to talk about the proposal.

Oh, yes, I am sorry. You can turn the clock off. He was actually the applicant.

Yes, it gets me nervous. Because I never know what kind of questions might come up.

Wait a minute, we make an attorney nervous. I am liking this.

I am telling you, I don't think I have done a pitch since I sold suntan lotion on pool decks. But I am going to go over where we stand. And thank you to Dan's comments about places where we seem to be apart. I think we are much closer together. I have not had a chance to talk to Dan and as of yesterday, we had sol changes that happened in our business plan, if you will, hopefully to get us close enough to work together here today. I think is the ocean deck is not trader Joe's or Daytona rising or any of the giant projects you guys have partnered on. But I think small businesses, like this business, I think that they need some partnership from local government, including you all. And we, you know, I think with have jobs that we create. I think we have a purpose of giving tourists and locals alike, to have a place to go to have fresh oysters, if we can get the septic tanks cleaned up. And I think in fact is there a real place for that and I hope you recognize this. That man has been a good taxpayer and citizen here for many years

and some of you recognize that they are a mainstay on the beach side that many of us have stories to tell about and experiences that are meaningful. I think that we have come a long way and we have a proposal in front of you with more detail. I think what we tried to do was not only listen to everything that you said, I was not here but you have a great system of reproducing not just your minutes but what you said. So I listened to that and we listen to the staff and the meetings and I think that the project in front of you is a result of that. The one place that Dan pointed out taking everything off the beach every time we have an event at the same night, did create a lot of problems for us. Because in part, over the past several years that you have allowed the activity, Ken has invested in some infrastructure at some cost that he hope today at least re-coop some what. So with that thought in mind today, what I mentioned to Mr. Dennieen yesterday, if you can allow him to use the things that has to wait until the next day to come out of the beach, at least the two bigger events in March, we will start immediately after that to find something more temporary, sell what we bought, and go on about a much more, I think a solution that is much more in line with what staff is looking for, which is getting things off the beach every single time that you have something doing on the same day. I am happy to answer any questions about that that you might have. I want to confirm that in fact, what Mr. Dennieen said is exactly true, there are no expectations, no precedent being set in our view, in our minds by your hopeful approval of the schedule that has been greatly reduced, for just 2015 and I will say that we also believe that the idea of having some beach policy, some rules of the road if you will, as to how special events are supposed to happen, you know, criteria, parameters that are clear, it is a good idea. And in fact, we hope that we will have a chance to be part of the process of bringing something like that back to you folks in the near future. That is it.

Thank you, Rob. I will tell you, I am impressed. In the first 30 seconds of your speech, you covered the county address, all the way up to septic tanks I didn't---tanks.

I didn't mention anything about crack. I took a softer approach.

Well, thank you.

No, any questions, I just want to make sure.

I am sure we will give you the first, second, and third degree.

I was going to council comments, not questions.

Well, yes, if you have a question, you will ask him. We will pull you up, have a seat. You still have the floor, Mr. Daniels.

Okay, you know, in going forward, what I would like to see is an ordnance that does not allow things on the beach at night. I think that is something that we really do need to do to protect against, we can not be giving over the beach to private interests. And I think going forward, we really do need to pay attention to the turtle protection

ordnance and make sure that people comply with it because we do not want to get in trouble in that regard. And we do want to comply with the Daytona Beach rules on amplified music. That being said, this gentleman here has been running his business the way he has been running it for a good many years and has, you know, without considering those things, and has changed his proposal from what it was when he appeared here. And he knows this is not something that sets a precedent for next year. We have pulled the rug about halfway from underneath him. I, you know, for one, think that halfway, pulling the rug halfway from underneath him is probably good enough. I move approval.

I a motion and a second from Ms. Cusack.

Mr. Daniels, move approval on what?

On the plan submitted.

On the plan submitted leaving the equipment on the beach overnight?

Ocean deck revised.

That would be twice, right?

I am having, Mr. Merrill said that his client was going the be shifting to a different type of equipment.

Two eventings in March and--events in March, and the midnight music off thing, the direction of the music, and then the 9:00 turtle season shut down.

So Mr. Merrill, if I can clarify the equipment is on the beach overnight in the month of March?

The two events that were the red color on the calendar. For those two events, how much days total?

Mr. Daniels, is this what you are approving, the calendar with conditions, with the allowance of the equipment overnight.

Dan, Dan, I tell you what, why don't you state the motion and I will say yes.

Okay, sir.

Mr. Daniels moves approval of the calendar proposed by the applicant for those dates, but equipment off the beach except for the two dates, two event dates, that is more than one date, I think, during March, the two events. And that the music be not after midnight outside of turtle season and not after 9:00 p.m. during turtle season.

Exactly. And my calf yacht was when you redo the ordnance, let's not let anything on the beach overnight. This man has been there far long time doing what he has been doing. Let's give him a break.

Rob, I think so there is no mis-under standing. How many days is it on the beach?

Yes, Jim, that is a good yes. If you can look at the calendar for March, there are two events that are red colored. Those are the events where we have the bigger infrastructure, if you will on the beach, and so the first event is two days, correct?

March fourth and fifth.

Yes, let's be clear about it. We went to great lents. If you--great lengths. If you look at the word, it is when you are setting up and taking down.

Yes.

Okay. So understood.

On the 26th, you are not leaving it.

Yes, okay, so here is what we are doing to do. The event on the fit had to be canceled. We had things we could not get settled before this meeting. So the only event is the fourth. We will set up that day and take it down the next day. So it would the be fifth. The same thing on the 26th. We can set it up that day, have the event that night and take it down the following morning. Those are the only two things in the month of March. Two overnight stays.

It is two overnight.

Two overnights.

Two events with one overnight.

So from the fourth, and they take down the fifth. 26th, take town the 27th.

That is right.

So you have a four day, two night stay. Good.

Yes, we got it.

Yes.

Yes, Ms. Cusack, you still have the floor. You are good? Okay. Ms. Cusack, you have the floor.

I just seconded that. I am type.

All right, Mr. Wagner.

Just to thank the maker of the motion and the second. I will supporting it. Thank you.

Ms. Denys.

Thank you, I am supporting it but we did not pull the rug out on anybody, staff did not, council did not. All we did was look at the application process, we didn't pull the rug out, it was the applicant that extended the rug on property and on the beach. And so, I want to be clear, I am going to support the motion, but I want to be clear that this council did not pull the rug out from under the applicant and it is because we are not the beach commander, it was allowed to continue. And Mr. Merrill, you and I had this conservation one on one, I said well, maybe we should have shut it down earlier.

Just for the record, it was Doug that talked about the rug. Really, we appreciate any curtesy that you can extend to us.

We got to yes, that is a good thing, Mr. Merrill. Okay, so I think on staff's behalf, this is a good faith estimate going forward and I wish you success this year on your property. Thank you. With that, call the motion.

I have a call for the question. All in favor, call for the question. That is your--that is indeed. Call for the question. All in favor. Ms. Denys, you cannot call the question and then push to speak. Yes, you are on. Okay, we are having technical issues. Okay, so that means Mr. Eckert, Mr. Dennieen, we called the question, all those in favor. Just raise your hand. Is that an agreement? Okay, it is. Opposeed. No opposed? Let's try this in English, all in favor. All opposed. So carried. Unanimous.

Thanks very much.

No problem, go get to work.

Mr. Chair, as they are leaving, what I was going to tell the council is we are, we will be prepared to bring you a new beach policy some time this summer, probably around July or so and that will have all of the things Mr. Daniels suggested and what we were going recommend.

Very well. All right, where were we?

You have to go back.

Now we have to go back to six. You made me jump all over. Item six. Mary Ann.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. This was a resolution drafted at the request of the water discussion group of the elected officials round table. The agreement in materials of process was that we would distribute a draft and then each jurisdiction is able to adopt some version of this in order to really establish some common ground in terms of how we pursue amendment one funding. The resolution speaks to this issue of the

allocation of amendment one funding to include land acquisition and infrastructure. We have also in the hospitalled in here that Volusia county has the position of having taxed itself for 20 years. If infrastructure is not supported, we would effectively become a donor county to the rest of the date and that would be bad for the activity. And finally, the resolution does, it poses a post-ewe that we have not really--a post-your that we have not really done before. But it recognizes the challenges is significant as we have just discussed. A 20,000-dollar assessment is not the same in Broward county as it is in Volusia county, in term of property value. And this poses the position that perhaps the allocation and the award process for amendment one funding makes some recognition in terms of the challenges to the communities with the lower property values. And that is what it is.

Very well. Okay. So, we need to make a resolution on this particular one. Is there any discussion? I do have a citizen discussion. Any other staff discussion first? Is that it? All right. We are going to go right to citizen Mr. Tom friend. Can you please come front to the podium? And I have say this for the record that you have already spoken on one part of an issue of water clarity. This is about something totally different, this is about money.

Okay, if you start to go down the trail that we have already walked up, I will have to stop you and we'll get you back on track.

Please state your name an address for the record.

Yes, I am Tom friend, I live in new Smyrna beach, Florida. Ms. Denys, I agree with you 101%. Monitoring is not the issue. Solution is the issue. The way this resolution is written, you cannot fund a solution. It must be either sewers or land acquisition. Land acquisition will not save the lagoon. Is there a plan to--there is a plan to save the lagoon. It is the plan too that I have been asking that we be permit today present to this county council, so that you are fully informed. If you pass the resolution as it stands, you will not be able to ask for amendment one funding for anything other than infrastructure land acquisition. Now everybody knows that I am in favor of land acquisition, I have been supporting it for 20 years here in the county. But what we need to do is actually look at some solutions and we would like to bring that solution to you. So I am asking you please, do not tie your hands before you have heard all of the evidence, until you see what is available, until you know what pro-outs are actually out. --projects are actually out there. I can not tell you in three minutes and I do not want to go back over what I already said. But this is an extensive program, we have called in research from St. Johns, we have called in research from a major research institute. We have people willing to speak. We have evidence, the county has already done a 91 study. There have been more recent studies and I really believe that everyone on the county council would like to be more fully informed. The way that the resolution is written, you will not be able to consider anything else other than acquisition and infrastructure. I don't know what you would want to Hendersoner yourself like that--to hinder yourself like that. I can not imagine. But please consider it. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. Any other citizen participation? Okay. We will now go to council discussion. I thought Mr. Daniels was ahead of me. Did you reset your button, sir?

I don't know what my button is doing. But if you would, go ahead.

Okay. You know, I have read over this, I will make this comment, I have read over this thing and yes, I have been in contact with senator Simmons and we are going to be sitting down in the very near future and he is like we have not each made a bill. We have not said where the money is going. We have not doing anything. We are going sit down and I am going ask him where the money is going go. I have heard rumor ant it going this--about it going this way and that way. But yes, reading this over, the first thing is yes, we are going to fix water quality and then we are going to buy land and then we are going to subsidize repairing bad septic tanks and then we are going build infrastructure for storm waters: That is it. And that, that statement is correct, our hands are tied and I really do not want to tie our hands. So I cannot support this particular draft. So Mr. Daniels. And I can not make a motion, either.

Okay. I will go ahead and move approval. I do not think it ties our hands if we have a prose the that is brought before the county council that would be good for amendment one funding that is outside of the scope of this, we will just add that to it. But these are the basic things and really the argument in Tallahassee is you going to use the money--is are you going to use the money for land acquisition or for water quality, that type of thing. And since we have already spent so much money on land activity way what sixings--land acquisitions. We just need it two to for septic tanks, and lord knows if there is anything else that is going to come up that is going to help the lagoon system, the springs, the St. johns whatever, we will be happy to add it. So I move approval.

And a second from Mr. Wagner.

The numbers are flashing everywhere.

I mean, this thing is crazy. Who else would like to speak?

Ever since the crack comment my box is not working right.

Crack moves into the neighborhood, everything is messed up. It is true. I thought it was a great example, just to make a point. I could elaborate more. My comment was just--

We are having a problem with the system. We are having a problem with the system. We think is there a short in it. We are going have to it fixed.

My comments to this is that we have to start some where. That is it. So I support it. Thank you.

All right. Any other comments, please raise your hand because I can not trust this system. Ms. Denys.

Mr. Friend, I hear you. I hear what he is saying. And I agree with you. But we have to start some where. And here is my question to legal, Mr. Eckert, if we pass this resolution, it is not binding forever, it is? Can it be amended to incorporate other solutions and opportunities?

Yes, ma'am.

So I want to go on the record that you know that, we are listening, I hear you. But here is the other thing with amendment one and while we are looking at that on this level, in Tallahassee where they are making the other de-siss on amendment one--decisions on amendment one, I think it was Mary Ann, we were talking, that you said, and I really, that really resinated with me, it is that Volusia county, if it is just for land acquisition across--aqua says across the state--acquisition across the state. Because the citizens are going to tax themselves for 20 years, we will become a donor state to amendment one and we will have no impact for the citizens of Volusia county. That is a strong consequence if we do not go foramendment one. So I think on behalf of all of Volusia county and the opportunity to amend this resolution, if there is another opportunity or another issue address, which I would be open to going forward, I think we all would, to get to the solution. I do not think anybody is against that. I am going support it because of that. But we cannot continue to be a donor county. We are already owed money from the state. With that, I support it.

All right. Okay. Any other questions? I do have one question. Mr. Eckert, if the position did approve, does that mean we are out of the game all together?

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This is just a resolution saying that we are going to apply for this money?

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It is more of a policy question of what--

Basically what the resolution going to do?

It is an advocacy position.

Oh, okay.

You are asking for a construction by the legislator that does not exclude these purposes. The construction that is not limited to and acquisition.

Okay. Okay. Very well. All right, and any further discussion? Okay. Seeing no further discussion, all in favor. All opposed. I will stand opposed. So it is a 6-1.

And who seconded that motion?

Mr. Wagner.

Thank you.

Thank you, ma'am.

All right, we don't know what is going here with that. All right, Indian lagoon program interlocal agreement.

Actually, Mr. Chair, I am going to take this one.

We have to get in updated more often I keep looking to Kelly and it is you.

Well, it was started by Ms. Mcguy but some things happened in the last week, it was postponed from February 5th and then on February 11th, the Indian river lagoon advisory board had another meeting to Iraq or Afghanistan dress the concerns of Indian river county. The board, the original member ship was suppose today be DEP, St. Johns water management district and the five counties along the Indian river lagoon. And we have the director of the program here with us today, Henry dean, contracted by the south Florida water management district to help put this new organization together and Carolyn who is an attorney to actually help draft the agreement. They may want to speak. They may just want to hear your excepts and hear your a--your comments and hear your approval. After quite a wilt of time and Mr. Daniels is your representative and sat on the design team that helped design the new organization, an agreement was reached and sent around to the counties to the and water management districts for approval. Indian river county, during that approval process, opted out, voted no because of two specific concerns. One was that DEP, south Florida, and St. Johns are regulatory authorities and they believed that they should not have a vote on the new organization. The second issue is the sunset clause with us not a true sunset. It was more of a clause that said every five years you will review and then you would vote whether to continue or not. But it does not automatically terminate at end of the five years. There was another meeting on February 11, and they addressed the concerns. They believe that the original groom as drafted was okay and so they took a vote to remove Indian county's name from the agreement, out of respect for their decision. That does preclude Indian river county or any other group along the Indian river from participating. There is a special provision in this agreement that lets people to opt in and for the advisory board to accept them. And to become a member of the organization. The primary purpose of the organization is really to pro-yourtize projects along the Indian river baa Larry bird began--river lagoon. So unlike the issues that we have had with the mosquito lagoon at the state level, at the federal level, it goes to the inlet. We recommend that you approve it as drafted. At this point, as of yesterday, all of the votes had been taken, everyone has voted on the new agreement except Indian river county,

unfortunately, and we do hope that they will come on board. And that is it.

Thank you, ma'am. Any public participation on this one yet, ma'am? Okay, council comments. Yes, Mr. Daniels.

Thank you, I was the representative and attended the meetings and I move approval.

A motion for approval. I have a second from Mr. Wagner.

You know, what it came down to is that Indian river county had a lot of comments that were, that seemed to know be largely--seemed to me to be you know, largely, if we had kicked the water management districts, both of them off the board, DEP off the board, there would have been more. It needs to be a collaborative board and I do not think Indian river county was ready to do that. They feel that Joe is gunshot wound to--is going to give them a lot of money and they do not need us very much. Me, I got a lot of comfort from having the organizations on there. They are putting up money. And I don't see how you have an organization that is going to be one of So your funders, one of--one of your funders, one of your significant funders and you deny them a vote. It was more of a glad to happy sort of change but we were not really going to do the others any way. This is an initiative that I was was started by the governor. This is one that the governor wanted to get the counties more involved on making decisions with regard to Indian river lagoon and to improving water quality there. It is supported by DEP and it is up support--and it is supported by the EPA, the federal government, they want to see this happen, they are very much interested in using this as a vehicle to fund money into the lagoon. And you know, one of my objectives, as soon as this thing got started, is to move the border from the Indian river lagoon up to the border between Volusia county and flagellar county. Which I do not think is a stretch. I think that we should be able to do that and the talking I have done with the regulatory shorts, I--authorities, I do not think it would be hard to get it done. The idea is to get money to help fix the problems that are in the la football. From south, certainly, we have problems in the Halifax river ourselves. The north peninsula, et--pennisula, et cetera. Maybe is this a source of the money. It is something that you know, we worked on pretty hard, Carolyn was the lawyer who drafted it. She cut out about 50% of the pages, which was just about right. And it is an organization that is going to E. coli vol and we will see--evolve and we will see what it turns into. It is hard to predict the future but I think it is something that we will all be glad that we joined given the fact that the federal government and the state government believed it is important and believed it important that we join and they are the primary funders. It is an opportunity for us to show that we are a player in this and that we are going to be a part of it and we are not going to take our marbles and go home. I think signing up on this would be a very good move or Volusia county. Thank you.

Any other comments? Go ahead, sir. Mr. Patterson.

I have some deep reservations. I really think what we are creating, or allowing to see created, another agency that is, I think you will get report after report after report after report and you know, I don't know if they are going to be able to get anything done other than have meetings and people sitting and talking and hiring people to go to work and do stuff but nothing will get done. And I think there are a lot of things gone on and I do not think this is one that is going do anything.

Any other discussion? Ms. Dennyings.

Along that discussion, Mr. Patterson, and Mr. Daniels, Josh, thank you for pointing me to the Indian river lagoon counties collaborative.

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You are welcome. You owe me. So where I am going with this is that is another coalition or collaborative that has been identified as a possible solution for a problem that we all understand is there. So, would you agree, Josh, and Doug, you are the two that are the most active in the collaboratives and that is basically just another organization and everything is going turn over to your organization, Doug, is that a fair statement? Looking at that?

What I would like to do is I would like to call up Henry Deen. Henry, would you mind coming forward. If you don't know, he was the head of the St. Johnings river water management district for years. And then he was head of the south Florida water management district for years. He was the one that developed the program that would have saved the everglades had the state of Florida not blinked. Henry is, there is nobody more experienced in water issues in the state of Florida than Henry Deen. Henry, if you would address Mr. Patterson's concerns and the interplay.

Thank you, I am Henry Deen. I am doing consulting work as commissioner Daniels said. Changing to what will hopefully will be a new and successful and better program. The county collaborative has been very successful in recent months, which was established because of the counties concerns, I think the leadership among the five counties felt that there was a great problem that had developed with the lagoon, and with the lake discharges in the south and problems with really extreme weather conditions in the north that we suffered here that led to mayor impacts to the--major impacts to the resourcers. And in addition to the--resources. And in addition to the collaborative, which was aphony leadership move, the governor felt like last year, that there needed to be more county input and leadership and more money from the state and regional agencies to work toward restoring and enhancing the lagoon. And frankly, Mr. Patterson, I share your concern. I would share your concern about it if in fact I felt that that was the case. I am not a fan of meetings and rules and useless activity. We need action. And frankly, for the last 20 years, we have had this program, this is not a new program. This is a an ongoing program initiated by EPA, EPA came to Florida and asked who would be the local sponsor and at the time, 20 years ago, no one expressed any interest other than the

St. Johns water management district. So there has been a program and there will be a program in the future. But the governing board has been the local entity. And that what I the governor decided and suggested that rather than have an appointed board making final decisions on what programs and what restoration activities should take place in lagoon. We need county leadership and county input and we need a collaborative. And so we met, the advisory board that commissioner Daniels serves on, we met for the last eight months and talked among the five county leaders and all were in agreement but for Indian river county that the program would continue but it would continue with leadership and control for the first time from the county leaders of the five counties that serve on the lagoon, or that live on the lagoon. And so, the majority of the funding, roughly 80% to 85% of the is fund,--of the if you finding is coming from the--of the funding is coming from the EPA and management systems. And now there are four county commissioners and if Indian river joins, and several communities, and the three agencies. We want to increase awareness and the visibility of the problems through the new, locally driven entity to go as a group as Indian river lagoon counties to say that we need major restoration funding for the projects. So again, I would be the first to tell you that we do not want anymore spinning our wheels having more meetings, we want action and I can assure you from talks we have had with martin county, Brevard county, and St. Lucy county, that is what they want. And I am sure that is what you want, is action and getting the lagoon cleaned up. And I will be happy to answer any questions.

All right, anything else, sir? All right. Please have a seat. Any other questions or comments? You still have the floor, ma'am.

It still goes to the question, is there a purpose for both organizations, in other words, the county's collaborative, we are discussing your other organization. When we look at funding, they are looking for $50,000, which for the record, I support, but I would like toed a one footnote for next year's budget, I think I would question funding the St. John river water management alliance. I think we fund them for $20,000, it is in our budget.

That is for the St. Johns river.

Yes.

Okay. Enter yes, yes. I I--okay.

Yes, yes. I think I would look at pulling that 20,000 and more reasons that we will talk about later. I believe that the executive director, we just gave and 18.5% increase, he works 30 hours a week. So from being effective and where we are going to spend our money, we do not give that to our own staff. We are struggling to find $37,000 to monitor water. Let's take it from the St. John river water management alliance. I think we need to pull our funding from. So with that, that is just a heads up. I think we need to pull that. I do support what you are doing. But I do not want to duplicate, and a meeting two hour

drive for and hour and a half meeting each way is a little the much. --is a little much.

Well, we do not have a button to push. I think Ms. Denys, you have hit on what I believe, where the Indian river council is going. It is the new board, if you vote to approve this, you will be member of this. The counties got together because they did not think that the NEP was paying attention to them because it was driven by state agencies.

Agreed.

And I believe, and martin county drove, creating that, that collaborative because they were concerned about that. And that got people's attention. And so I believe that the collaborative will be dissolved because now you will have members, and once you do appoint, adopt the issue, you will have to appoint a member and an alternate to the new Indian river council. I think that will one will away because they will then become the voice. And that was, that was, I believe the intent all along. I will say though, that first it has to be created. They have to have a meeting to create the any board, to start putting, and transferring over. So it might be a few months before the collaborative is dissolved. But I think that is a direction that this is going. Yes, ma'am.

Okay. Now see, that is action and I think that is what we are all looking for. So great, thank you for the clarification.

Okay, now we are back online. So if you want to push your button. All in favor of the expenditure of $50,000--

It would be signing the agreement.

Yes, we are signing and joining. That is why we would expend. Anytime giving them--I am not giving them $50,000 because I like them.

That would be reason enough.

Oh, yes, it would be. Do not laugh so much. All in favor. All opposed. One opposed, Mr. Patterson.

And Mr. Chair, now that you have joined.

Yes, and there you are.

Thank you, we do node to appoint--we do need to appoint a member and an alternate.

Mr. Daniels, do you have any objections to remaining? I would like to remain the member. And we need an alternate.

Any objection to Mr. Daniels remaining as the primary member on that board? So moved without objection. Mr. Wagner, would you like to be the alternate? Oh, Deb wants to be the alternate.

Thank you, I would really enjoy being the alternate. Mr. Daniels, yes, I would love to be your alternate.

I detect a little note of sarcasm.

Oh, I mean it genuinely. Yes, I will, I will gladly serve Volusia.

She will gladly serve. Okay, so there is a nomination by Mr. Wagner, no less for Ms. Denys. Any objections? So moved. Yes, ma'am, you are covering. Nine copies? Okay. Well, while I am spending and hour here signing paperwork, we will move onto item number eight which is the beach special event request for Indian Moe toll cycle VIP beach party.

Let me add asking.

Mr. Wagner, your light is on.

George will walk you through this item. Very nice people, because we had to make the change in our meetings, they are running longer and we made the change, they were not, they are not able to stay, and I assured them that they would get a very good, you know, a fair hearing, if they were not here. So they were here for most of the morning but they had to leave.

All right, thank you. What we have before you is an application by north turn restaurant to have a small event out behind their restaurant on the beach. It is requesting to have alcohol, if you notice in their permit request, they will remove, they will build their sufficient on the ramp, they--stuff on the ramp, they will move it down and then take it off that night so there is no equipment on the beach at night. I think they have actually made their event a little

And then we would like to pursue this, excuse me, partnership with the local colleges. Is this an area where a lot of money can be spent to unknown benefit and we would like to see some research with the colleges to help us put our money to the best investment. What types of improvements have the best effect. Those are activities that we will certainly pursue in our budget request for next year. But we will make that part of the budget request. So the next steps in the process, of course, is to pursue the city partnerships for the septic conversions. We need to seek requests and agreements and in turn, be positioned to provide the same back to the providers if we want them to proceed in the unincorporated areas. We have our grant request that we are pursuing, just outlined in the legislative update for advanced waste water treatment. We will commit the storm water funding already, I would suggest that we do consider some movement in terms of our storm water fee, since it has been ten years already. The reasonable assurance process will now continue. We have had the initial meetings. We will have to work with our city partners to put together a pot of money for engineering to help guide that process. The funding from the general fund for water quality monitoring and outreach is outlined here and then as we will discuss in the next item, there is the advocacy for amendment one funding to be put into infrastructure. Questions?

Thank you, ma'am. We do have some citizen's discussion, too. Is there any other staff report if.

Yes, chair.

Yes,.

One, I want to really take a moment to tell Mary Ann and the whole staff how much appreciate the effort that was put behind not only the plan, but this discussion because I think they took a very, very complicated issue, broke it down so it is understandable, gave you an outline of where you may go, and even, though they were apprehensive and I said no, we are going do it any way, gave you an example because see, reality is, in my opinion, I would not want to budget anything in the general fund. It is small, I think it is $200,000 a year in this area. But I would be apprehensive if the cities will not take any roll. And this means, that they, the experiment, the area that she talked about, you know, if you wait 20 years and that is not good enough, when it is going to happen? Especially when your have service. There are issues that the county skill can get into. And there are communities, if the system is available, you can do things like that. But you are going to start telling people that they have some price that they have to pay to protect the environment. And I mean, but if the communities are not with us, I think Mr. Patterson can talk to this, if they are not with you, then we are wasting our time. They have to decide that they are a partner and maybe approve assessments an we do not believe that the citizens can afford the whole bill. But if you are not getting where you have a plan, or you can do a design or start trying to lobby for money from the state, then you can get it down to reasonable. But as you can see, everyone else that is in a system, pays for the system through their mortgage and they pay a monthly fee. But the monthly fee is to protect the environment. And I think we all have the duty if we are producing the waste, especially in sensitive areas. And you cannot be outraged about the quality of the environment when you are a contributor without taking any responsibility. So I really applaud ply staff,--applaud my staff, I think they went out their way and try today give you something to start leading the way. But I think you are going have to ask other people to join you. And then do I think it is a good expenditure? Yes, because in other words, if you are willing to join us, then we can start looking at should we do the engineering to start lobbying for the project, we would be glad to that. Will it make an impact in the long run? Yes. But it will start us down the path to making the changes. So what I like about this is I think, it is easy enough to understand, and I think this is a very, very complicated and expensive issue. I do think it is a good start if you want to go down that path.

All right, is there any other staff report? Okay. We are going to open up public participation section here before we go to council comment. I will call your name and you will come up and you will have three minutes, if you have never done this before. Mr. Henry pate, you are first up. Good morning, sir. Step up, give your name, please, and your position.

I am Henry, a principle research scientists. I am a 23 resident of port orange.

Okay. You three minutes, sir.

Thank you. I wanted to present to the council for their consideration [ Inaudible ] is a large--ma tell is a large research, non profit started in 1929 and the purpose of our company is to bring science to solving problems. And one of the areas we have been working on, and we actually presented this to the east central regional council, it was a plan, it is not quite shovel ready, but it is close, for restoring water quality in the Halifax and [ INAUDIBLE ] lagoon. We believe that the, the steps that you all are taking for septic tanks and storm water are definitely a step in the right direction but they are not just quite, they are not enough. What you need to look at is adding a comprehensive plan to restore flow and circulation, provide surface within the lagoon. It is not just enough to try to treat things before they come into the waterway. Because our waterways with a vast area for pollutants that are a legacy of days past. And until we look at ways to start to deal with that, we will not get the qualities of water that everyone is focusing on. And that being said, I am just trying to get the opportunity to present the same presentation that we have made to the regional council, to the staff, and the county council, as a way to start our journey much faster on getting the waterways restored. Thank you very much.

Thank you, sir. Tom friend. State your name an address for the record and you have three minutes, sir.

Yes, my name is Tom friend. I am from new Smyrna beach, Florida. And I do want to talk about nitrogen, NH2, it is ammonia. It is heavier than water and it sinks to the bottom. And while one of the things was to expand our monitoring and research through state funding, which is why I am here, St. Johns has recently put in ten new monitoring stations. None of them are in Volusia county and critically, none of them monitor the bottom of the rivers or the lagoon where the ammonia is. And what they are not revealing by not going doing this find d--by doing this kind of research is, the dissolved oxygen at the bottom of the inland waters. The dis-sol offed oxygen is not--dissolved oxygen is not there and without oxygen we cannot have the bacteria that historically have separated the ammonia at the bottom of the river and rendered them harmless. Now given the lack of flow that the itch land waters have suffered for a few years now based on basically, human accumulations, we are lacking in the oxygen. Now, at the presentation that was made, at the regional plans council, we had overwhelming support and the chair of the council asked that we bring the same presentation to this, to this council. We had originally anticipated being on today's agenda. Now what we are looking for, we would like to be on the next agenda to give you the presentation, and we are looking for the seven monitoring stations that would monitor in Volusia county, that would monitor dissolved oxygen at the bottom of the river and it would cost approximately $320,000. St. Johns has a grant that is a available for watching funds and they certainly have encouraged you apply for it. Now I do not expect you to apply for it without knowing more. But in three

minutes, that is about all that we can do. But we very much would like to be on the next agenda and to be able to give a more complete exposition and what you are going to find is that laudable as stopping the leakage of the septic tanks, it will not restore life to the lagoon. And arolla gang is a multibillion dollar--and our lagoon is a multibillion dollar resource for the county. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. Steven K IT TNER. Name and position.

Stain kicker. [ Inaudible ] here to support you moving forward with the plan in the budget workshop. It is very, very important that we protect the water quality in Volusia county. Water is invaluable, irreplaceable. We have to have it to exist. I can talk to you all day about the environmental impacts. It is a whole other issue. Poor water quality impacts property value, impacts economic development, impacts tax revenue. I live in a community in south Deland and take a look at what it has done to the income that you bring in and the property taxes until the in the area--in the area. Poor water quality impacts the value of our homes and impacts businesses. So this is very much an economic issue for you to look at. We have got to work at this. We have other communities around the United States, including the beach, which I am going to be drummed off and hauled off of the super fund site. So those are things that we have to look at. We are here to help you, support you, if we can go out and, Williams do already, promote this and talk to people about that, we do that. So we are your partners. And please, you are heading in the right direction, just continue on. Thank you very very much.

Thank you. Is there any other citizen participation?

No, sir.

Okay. We will close that portion of our discussion. All right. Now we are going to council discussion. I have a question, Ms. Conor, if I can get to it here. Still going back there to slide nine of 20. That is the one where it showed all of the cities and what they pay for storm water fees. Now, sorry, now this storm water fee, this is a storm water fee that is assessed and comes to the county government, or it is city?

No, each jurisdiction does their own assessment. In the cities, it is usually part of the monthly utility bill. The county does theirs as a property assessment.

Okay. Now, I noticed, of course, I said Daytona shores, Pearson, oak hill, and others do not have the fee. Of course, we also do not have any, do we have a fee on unincorporated?

It is only in the unincorporated area. Only in the unincorporated.

So we pay a fee?

Correct.

Now if, these other one, two, three, four, five cities joined in on the bandwagon and assessed the, I will say $6 a month fee, or $72 a year, would that revenue help? Is there enough there? I mean, I guess I am saying, is there enough people living in the areas to assess that fee that would actually assist in trying to fix the problem whatever way we decide to go?

Well, more money is good, certainly.

Well, of course, more money is good.

But in this case, really, what they are doing, I mean, some of the communities are wealth yearend they really cover their expenses outs of their general--out of their general funds. So they have not gone that particular direction as far as saying I need a separate assessment. But, what storm water fees do is allocate. They allocate to purpose and certainly, equity among the fee levels has been an issue in the past. I will share with the council, many years ago, we looked at trying to do something in the nova basin. And the inequity in the storm water fees at that time were a problem to group action because the partners did not feel they were share to go the burden in the same ways. But I think a lot of that has changed over time. You can see it is, it is basically a dollar, it is treat pretty common. But I think having a fee for purposes is important to funding the effort.

Okay. And I don't know which, looking through her quickly, which slide it was, to get, we have 90,000 septics in Volusia county, according to our documentation here. How many are in these, oh, there it is, no, it is actually page 10 of 20, it shows zone A, B, C, it has the circles and I know that is not every septic tank in the county. What could be the approximate cost of replacing all of those and those in affected areas with the big circle over to a system?

I don't have an exact number but you are in the hundreds-over millions--hundreds of millions.

Two, three?

Front.

Let's shoot the high side, $400 million maybe.

Well, $20,000 a piece, and if you did happen of them, maybe 50,000 is your target number.

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It is real money.

It is real money. It is a lot of real money.

Yes.

So that is what we are looking at.

It is. But, you know, it is important not to think of it though as, I mean, you can, you get out of the problem the same way we got into it, it is over time. It is not, you know, $100 million right now. It is, it is something you try to change it slowly. So, the numbers are daunting but if you look at them over time, they are approachable.

Right. And I am looking at those maps with the circles and these are cities.

In some cases. In some cases.

Yes, I mean, it is not all cities. Some are unincorporated. But most of the areas, are one of the 16 cities or so.

And our concentrations in terms of unincorporated, we have again, the north peninsula and that is a big part of it. And the west springs basis is unincorporated and incorporated areas.

Okay, have we reached out, I am sure we have, have we reached out to the cities and say you need to come on board. We will help you. Are we trying to work with the cities to maybe split the cost three ways to help the citizens?

Well, what, I think that is part of our next steps. We had some individual discussions with cities that have an interest in the area where we are the utility provide IRENE but I think--provider but I think it is this discussion that sends us forth in what we do next in terms of the city partnerships.

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It is never real until you give people an example and say well, do you want to do something. And I think what she is trying to show, you are going to look at the most sensitive areas and then the areas that you know is having the problem. The first ones you are looking at the is there a service available? That is why she picked, you know, have no main line. Then you have a whole different ball game. But you have areas where they are very sensitive and there is service available, they may have to put the collection system in. And I think that is what she is trying to suggest, is that, and Mr. Daniels already talked to everybody, and I think the cities you should stand the issue but they can also not take the position well, we do not pay anything a month and we cannot afford anything. You can going nowhere there. So I think maybe looking at an example or two and seeing whether they want to work with us is a way to start. Because you are going then say there is a commonality that we are going to solve the problem and then you are going to apply for money from the state. Because we are the last bit. Our whole general fund budget would not hardly make a bent in this, okay? But we can do our portion. You start with the low hanging fruit and see whether we can get people to take it serious.

Well, I will tell you that two years ago when we first met on this council and Mr. Daniels made a statement about a sailboat. How is the sailboat doing by the way?

It is doing very well.

I got to see this.

I spend more time fixing it than sailing it.

The two best times are buying the boat and selling the boat.

You have to learn to like fixing it.

I got it. But he made the comment about going down and fishing and then I start today look into this thing and I got very serious about it myself. So I would like to work with the cities and I don't know if we need to have one big workshop, go to them individually, I will leave it to you, Mr. Manager, to let us know the right course of action to go down there and move this forward. Because it is a problem. And it has gotten really bad when 50% of the shellfish down in the south side of the lagoon area are dead and we are losing money. And that is revenue for us, for the owner, that is revenue all around. So, all right, Mr. Daniels, seeings as how I talked with you, I will give you the floor.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. You know, I am on the water round table and the chairman of the water round table, and on the round table in general, and the one thing that I have been surprised about is the level of support that the cities have shown for cleaning up the water in Volusia county. They all seem to be very much on board. They all seem to be very commit today making this happen. I don't think that we are going to have a whole lot of difficulty working things out with a number of the cities that have the problems. I think they are readily to do something, they understand the problem. They understand what it is going to do to them. They know what it is going to do to their property values. And let's take the example that you used. You used oak hill, well, you know, ordinary care hill is down--well, you know, oak hill is down there with a lot of trailers that are on the 50-foot lots and they are drinking each other's sewage. The water well is right next to where the septic tank is. We have the same sort of problem on the drive up in or man beach, the same sort of thing going on. But people want to move in in oak hill. They want to move the mobile homes away, they want to build nice houses and they are all going to want to be on the city sewer, or county sewer. They are not going to want to be on a septic tank. That is not really what we are interested in. And by doing this, in oak hill in particular, it is almost an economic development project. It is something that they could upgrade their housing stock down there. They can upgrate their tax base by making happen and to a lesser degree, it is the sort of thing that is going to happen everywhere else. You know, and besides that, it is just the right thing to do. We do not want to be responsible. We do not want to be the generation that loses the lagoon. We do not want to lose Indian river lagoon. We have to get on it and get on it now. You know, the amendment one people are, you know, a lot of those are interested in acquiring

land and I do understand it because a lot of has to do with the protection of the ever everglades. ---of the everglades. But what good does the polluted water do you? It does not do you any good at all. This is one of the things that we have to fix now. We have to fix while we still can. And I would move approval of the plan that you have. But, I would like toed a one thing, if we could, let's go ahead and hire the water quality person immediately, if we are able to do that so we can begin the monitoring. You know, there are other things going on, there is the, the Indian river lagoon interlocal agreement, we need to get on top of this and get on top of this as quickly as possible. I would like to move approval plus, that we go ahead and hire that water quality person immediately, that water call I will testing person immediately. Thank you.

I greatly appreciate that, sir. But this is a mini-workshop, we cannot do motions and votes. We can do it later.

Can we do a--

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County ill, then?

We can bring things back for approval.

And I think our next item is more of that venue, it is not?

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Is there anyone opposed to the plan?

No opposed.

No, I like that. I am not opposed to the plan.

I am hesitant.

Yes, I am trying to get the nuts and boltingss of the plan here. When you say monitoring. I mean, what and who, when, and where? I do not understand.

Mary Ann, if you would.

Sure, sure. We have, this is an expansion of the water quality monitoring. It would be to set up sights and do more analysis in terms of the information that we are gathering specific to you know, water quality in some of the sensitive water bodies. It is an expansion of an existing activity and in involvement with project H2O which is committing their resources into monitoring that specific to the Indian river lagoon. It is a level of service issue. Many of the things are. I think we need to expand our efforts for all of the reasons that we have discussed. It will hopefully give us bitter science for guiding the best investments in the future.

Any difficulty with that? Any difficulty with that?

I am still not clear on what, I can see what they are doing. But I do not understand the outcome and how it is going to help anything. I think we just need to--sure.

A more formal presentation before I vote for a motion on it.

Okay.

Well, this is not a motion, actually. This is a would you like to go forward with better monitoring of the Walter quality in the lagoon--of the water quality in the lagoon.

Okay, I thought it was a motion to bring it to council for a vote and a little bit more in depth. I mean, we went over a very broad, very broad subject matter here. And now we want to get it down to what would you like to hear about? And I think the question is monitoring, what is going to be the outcome.

It might be helpful. You know, we did it in the water workshop. I think it would be helpful to bring what we do in terms of water quality monitoring and how it would be expanded and the partnerships. I think it might be valuable.

Does anyone have any difficulty with the plan if we omit the hiring of a water quality specialist?

But is this, I think to council member Patterson's comment, this is just a workshop, we are not in a motion Topeka moke.

I am not looking for a motion [ INAUDIBLE ] low.

Right, he is looking to give direction to staff.

Direction to staff.

That is all.

And we can give direction to staff. We want the water quality issue brought forth, focused primarily on monitoring, that kind of thing. We can have staff move forward again.

I do not have a problem with the presentation coming forward so I can get a lot more information. I know what we are trying to do here and I am not opposed to that. I am just you know, I want to be able, to when people said what did you do today, I can give them a lot more information than what I am getting here. That is all.

Sure.

That is my position. It is not like I am violently opposed to it, or mildly opposed. I just want to get a lot more information. That is all. I feel it is my responsibility because people out there, sometimes when

they hear something, it scares them and they will call me up and say what is going on? And I want to be able to explain it to them.

Okay. So, I guess, see, I am, I am at a great advantage here because I understand all of this, and right down to the science, because I have been dealing with this since your peeked my interest. And when I get my interest peeked, believe me, I understand nitrogen as ammonia and I understand all of that junk. I got it. I understand that right to the atom.

For the rest ofs that need information, Mr. Chair, what I would like to see, first of all, the budget impact and I understand what Mr. Patterson is saying here ant the implications and if the staff manager feels that is a position that we need go, we can direct staff when we get down to it, Mr. Daniels, I would like more information and see what specifically, because when we are talking about monitoring, I do not want it to, we are going to monitor it, then what do we do with the effects? And we are looking for funding sources, I guess what I am saying is I do not want to get ahead of the funding sources and where we are going. If we can help us to get where we are going, in other words, I do not want to put, start before we have got the process ready. I understand what you are saying. And I would like to hear more, bring it back.

Sure.

Let me suggest this.

Yes, but he still has the floor and she was answering a question here.

Some where in here, I was on this that screen.

Yes, where did you go?

I don't know.

Oh, they just put it back on.

You were kicked off.

And Mr. Lowery, I think had questions.

Well, let's get back online here.

So what are you looking for stuff to bring back, Mr. Daniels?

Directions, the direction would be to follow the steps that are on the next steps program, which is the page 18 of the presentation. And I will omit the immediate hiring of the water quality monitorrer. And it seems to be a very basic sort of list of requests. Mary Ann, and I think both Kelly would probably agree, that this is you know, very basic and not really expensive.

All right. Now, I am going have to go to Mr. Patterson because he was next and some how he got bumped out of there. So Mr. Patterson, I am going to give you the floor, sir.

You know, I am looking at the page on the septic tanks and all of them in there. And I keep hearing state money and federal money and that. And I am wondering, if when we start talking about this thing, and I mentioned this to the county manager, I think we need to look further on out there. And I thought that, I am thinking that maybe some type of interest free bonding, whatever that we could go outside to fund something like this, then it would be, you know, I am not an experted on that kind of stuff. I--expert on that kind of stuff. I know Mr. Daniels has some experience from back, a few years ago. I am wondering if something like that is available because there are bonding mechanickisms that we can use to mix in state and federal funding, maybe the bulk of it so we can do this. I see the zone, I mean, it is a huge area full of septic tanks and of course, that is two of my cities down there. We need to get them involved but the county also has Hamilton road area that has been such a nightmare all of these years. We need to get in there. We are turning the water into a septic tank, I think, I feel that is happening. I think looking at more creative funding mechanickisms. We are competing with a lot of other different projects out there. We are not the only ones that have to problem. I remember my last few years legislature, we did something up in the panhandle of Florida with septic tanks and they came after us with pitch forks because they didn't want to take it on. But does a huge problem up there also. So they have the same issues that we do. So I would really like to look AT&T whole bunch of funding mechanisms and then maybe we can use it to fund these things.

And let me share that we worked with port orange and the harbor oaks Allen dale area many years ago, and in order to help folks with their connection fees, port orange worked with the local-backs in term--local banks in terms-over establishing a loan process for them to secure that funding. Right now, this anticipates, as I said, the SRS funding which is right around 2% interest and that has been what we have used for utility projects. But surgeon I will working with local banks, I think--but certainly working with local banks, I think they take an interest in their local communities and will is a mix as to what the utility provider may be able to do. It is always going be a matter of how to extend this payment out over time, not only reducing it but extending it over time.

If I can add to this, because this is, if you look at page 18, the steps that Mr. Daniels is talking about, let's focus on the first step. Okay? I would not, I am not recommending as manager that we spend any money unless you have partners with the other jurisdictions. And that means they would have to agree that they would be in favor of things like assessments for the portion that the property owner has to pay. If they throw us out of town and have no interest in doing that, first of all, this is not a county issue in terms of that. It is a government issue of all governments. And we have to make sure that we have partners. And I think Mary Ann is trying to get at, it says fund, not expend right now. We would put it in the budget in the future with

the idea that you would do these things and we would talk about doing things, if they want to do it. In other words, it is a leverage. If you want to do it and get serious, then we will spend some money here for monitoring and then where we are the party that can look at you know, we would be suppurative. Now they cannot pay the whole amount. So you have to find some grant money. But the part that they have to pay for, there are longer term loans and we can work on that. I think the key is to say we are ready, were willing to do something. I guess, I agree with Mr. Daniels, sitting back and listening, except in one case, the pun person spoke, I am not sure they are a supporter. by think you---but I think you hear there is talk of support but are the same communities willing to be a part of allowing for an assessment if we get to that point to where people need to hook up. Because, if they are not, you cannot do this by yourself. And it would be a huge nightmare. But if people are complaining about water quality and they are polluting it, they also have to recognize that they are part of the problem. So that is what I think we are getting at, is if you want to approve, we will bring you back something that will detail this, but we are saying do that, as an inducement to the cities to see if they will take the next step with us. Then you can say okay, we know you are on board, like for example, the example in oak hill, I know that they talked about this, Mr. Patterson knows, how long ago was that?

1997. And it was the year that I was the chair, it was a shining moment for me.

There was a stop on the discussion.

Yes, you cannot get any where.

You can now say the word sewer in okay hill and ----in okay hill and not be a--in oak hill and not be arrested. You are good now.

So what we are asking for, the council, just some guidance, we will come back with a package of things that we think we can do. But ours is based on the things that they told Mr. Daniels, actually going a little further and saying they are open to the--open to the ideas.

Does that satisfy?

Yes. Well, just win point. I notice that had one of the cities that I represent, which is orange city has no storm water fee and yet you have got blue springs which is a big economic project, with their manatee festival and yet, they are not doing anything to clean up the storm water. It just does not make sense to me. That is just a side comment in there. And Pearson.

I am glad I am Volusia county unincorporated. Now Pearson, we need some help out there, I will not deny that. That is kind of funny. I am surrounded on three sides by Pearson. My fence line is the city limits. But no--each has said a bad word. Do not do that. Without further discussion, Mr. Lowery, please.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am a little bit hesitant on things because I would like for us to keep a balance on this. I do not want to open up the box where we are have a septic problem out there and converting 90,000 septic tanks all over to sewer, which is the kinds of things that people start to think about. Funding is so important on this. When we start to tell homeowners, who in good faith put in a septic tank and then you are going to have to pony up thousands of dollars to change over to buy something that you really do not want. That is a concern I am going to have, especially down in the Deltona area. And I know it is an opportunity for Deltona to come on board and do some things. But I can see this snowballing into doing more than is really necessary. And that is a concern that I have. I know with have--I know we have some really critical areas that really, really need to be dealt with. But this becomes way expanded more than what we are thinking about right here. And just for the sake of bringing people online. So now the sewer can be profitable in the cities, we are going force all of the people that probably didn't need to. And that is my apprehension with this. Thank you.

Ms. Cusack.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think that what we have heard today is a notice of alarm that we need to do something. And I think that we, as a council, want to look at these next steps. But I think before we can do that anything, is we have to first address step one, which is city partnerships can septic conversions in those priority areas in particular. And so my solution, or my input would be that we would bring up a plan of action as to how we would parking lotter in with the other--partner with the other cities and they want the buy in with the idea that we have to deal with all of the cities where the conversion is really a priority. But I don't think that we are ready to move into you will of the steps. We cannot tackle all of the steps. My suggestion is that we do this step by step. And that direction for me would be that the council, I mean, that the staff would bring back to us a plan of action as to how we might be able to present with the cities also and to find out if they want to buy in. And if they want to, we proceed. If they don't, we do not work in that area. Because they have to have buy in. And the citizens have to buy in to doing this. So I think we need to just kind of take a back step and deal with step one. And proceed at that point in time. That would be my recommendation.

Okay, I think, I think it is an important point. It does work two ways. As both being invited in. But it is also, we have many areas of the county where the cities are the provider. So I think, it is both sides of that relationship. I think the council also has to consider which it would want to--what it would want to do in support of the city project. If we go and ask a city, would you extend your infrastructure into this unincorporated area, then the city is going to be like wise asking your staff, well, what is your commitment and your support. So it is going to be both ways. One of the things, and we did not discuss it here, because it was not rail I will about fund--not really about funding, but it is a policy issue. There are a number of things out there on septics. But, we probably, it would be surprise to many folks. But

there are lines in the ground and one of the policy questions is well, who will require people to connect? You have providers, city providers in the unincorporated area that do not really want to take that on. But do you want to at least consider some standards in terms of requirements to connect where folks are in sensitive areas. Those are things, and I would want to bring you back again, some specific areas. Because I think it helps to have some examples in front of you to know what Uritabing about. But the--what you are talking about. But the relationship goes in two different directions.

It goes to two directions and both directions are critical.

Yes.

And so therefore, that is the reason why I think that we need to be involved with the cities to find out what is their pleasure in moving forward with this if they want to be partners with us.

In that case, I will take the direction, I think there are cities that may be interested. There are certainly areas where would be interested and I will take that as direction to bring those back to council.

Yes, I know. You know, sometimes, she is sitting there and she is thinking and she is about ready, to think, I think she is done. Wait a minute, I had the floor and I get yelled out. It is all right. I am formulating a question for later. Mr. Wagner.

I will keep mine short because I know a couple of members have to leave at 12:30 p.m.

So I guess the issue for me is I am ready to move forward as fast as government can go. You know, we look at the cost of things, what is the cost of not doing it? The example, Indian river lagoon is 1500 jobs. I mean this is serious, serious numbs, economic development. That is not to mention the springs, the types of things that are going on, I went a couple of weeks ago and it was jam packed and it was great with the family. So here is my physical of what I want--my example of why I want to go right now. This is going to be a nasty example of why we need to do this. If everybody in the room was to go ahead and pee and poop in a bucket and I would gently place my water bottle in that bucket, brought it out and washed it off, how many of you would drink it? This is better than a septic tank that is happening right now. I would like to know, we can do it as an example and we can all test each and every one of you, but I know most of you are not going want to drink it. So time is now. Doug, I do not want to see pull back from hiring a water quality experted. We need that. We have a chance to save something. We have a chance to make a difference. It is expensive but the cost of not going something is more expensive. And I am not an environmentist. But we have to address this as fast as we can. County staff has targeted some specific areas. If we take their lead in some of the areas and get the low hanging fruit and take a targeted approach, the expense is not as high as some may think. Do we need federal and state support? Yes, but they are things that we can do to correct this problem in county government. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. Mr. Daniels.

I will drink it. Mr. Daniels.

Okay, one final thing. You know, let's focus really on what we are talking about here and what we have gotten off on is the cost of getting all of this done and it is a lot of money spread over very many years if it was to go that far. But that is not what we are talking about doing today. That has nothing to do with what we are talking about doing today if you look at page 18. The first steps, city partnerships for septic conversion in priority areas. Well, what is that going to cost us to talk to the cities about doing some septic conversions? It is going to cost us a lot of money?

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What?

No, talking does not.

Talking does not cost you any money. Okay, great re-guests for advance the waste water treatment and improvements. Sending out grant requests.

Already done.

Does not cost you any money.

Not anymore.

A base sin map update.

We would do those are storm water utility fees.

And it is something that basically needs to be done any way.

Right.

All right, does not really cost you any money, something you have to do any way. Reasonable assurance plan process. I know you have been talking to cities like oak hill, edge water, new Smyrna beach about that. What is the reaction about that?

It is positive in terms of the process. Some cities are concerned about funding their participation. But I think is there enough support to go down the road.

So talking, talking about a reasonable assurance plan is not going cost us anything.

No.

And we are working with cities that would like to work with us, particularly if they can afford it.

The engineering involved is going to be of some consequence. But again, if we can find a way to approach it, doable.

Now the water quality person we were talking about is $37,000 a year. Now, is that going to break the county's budget? $37,000 a year? Are we all going to go bankrupt over $37,000 a year?

No.

Now, if we, if we were--everyone is just looking and like--

That was a rhetorical question.

It was a good answer.

It is not the $37,000, it is the time we spend it 12 times in a row. But that is how things cheep up. In this case, it is a reasonable amount of money to put out because we can afford it.

And well, Mr. Manager, do you support the $37,000 or not?

I do. I do as long as we do step one.

Well, yes, step one is critical to everything else, I believe. You know, step one is critical and if we had the reasonable assurance plan, we can go ahead and do the water monitoring moving norward. If you don't have anything going on, if nobody is interested in cleaning up the lagoon, you would not monitor the quality of the water. That would be crazy. Okay, advocate amendment one allocation for infrastructure and I assume that you mean amendment one go into septic tanks and sewer lines and trying to, to work on those kind of issues, that kind of thing. Is that what we are talking about?

Yes.

In fact, that was the wording you put forth in the round table discussion, in which people are voting on.

And have we already hired a lobbyist for this? To make the source of arguments in Tallahassee.

Answer to that is yes.

We are monitoring that.

We are monitoring that.

In other words, what we are talking about here is not going to cost us any money. It is just us going forward with the cities to see what it is that can be worked out. And I think it got tied up with the idea that well, we had already made the decision to go forward and we were going to tax everyone and the world was going to come to an end. It is not coming to an end. We are not spending a lot of money here. Again,

I think that we should direct the staff to go forward with the plan and to hire the water quality person as soon as they can. Thank you.

And Mr. Dennieen, here is what I was thinking, sir, let's get an idea.

Let me add something to clarify this. I think it will help. Here is what we would envision, Mr. Lowery. And I think it is easier to better understand. The whole thing about city partnerships, you go after the ones that are polluting the most, that has the infrastructure available and you are just talking about connecting. What we would do is we can use the examples and we look at a number of other areas. We are actually give them to the cities but we are not going any further in the city. So I know what you are talking about, you are talking about the fear that goes into people. But we are not going to go further in oak hill or Deltona. That is the area that they would support. Then that is what I mean about we are all on the same page. Then all of the things that Mr. Daniels talked about us doing in addition to the normal stuff we say well okay, we do the water quality. We are all doing it as a team. But I think the thing we are asking for, if you are okay with this, this can be a problem, we can point out all of the specific examples of where we think the low hanging fruit is and then if you say go with that, we go to the cities and say are you willing to be our partner this these areas. So you do not have to worry about expanding. And I am worried about, if they throw up their hands and do not want to do anything. I think we need to know that. I think I happened back in 1998. Now I am hearing at the round table, I do not think it is going happen now. But I think it will make a difference this they are with you an everybody agrees, okay hill says that a good one to start on. Deltona says that is okay. Wilber, it is a good one to start on. Okay? In other words, everyone has, we talk about the ones we are going to start and if we look at that, it will not be as scary. I think it would solve, that is our intent, it is to try to come up with more examples. So we can do all of that, bring it forward, and then I think you can tie any kind of funding to the fact that the cities would say they are on board.

And the six cans of the---and the significance of the commitments, yes, advance funding in order to do a design to create the project. I mean, getting to that point is essential to all of the grant discussions. So we have to take the steps that get us to that point. And those are the commitments that we need to make now on both sides of the issue. We have to put the service providers in a position of advancing money, at their risk, in order to establish a great ready project. Okay?

May I respond since I was addressed?

All right, you are addressed and you have the right of response.

Okay. I do not want to see this die today. Let me just say that. And I am not for polluting the waterways. But governments have a way of starting small and going nuts. And that is apprehension on this. And I am looking out for my people. And I like what you said about the groups

can decide what they want to do. I am happy with that and I would be willing to support this to move on today.

All right, starting small and going nuts. Ms. Denys, you have the floor.

Thank you, just to comment, I think need to make delineation here, just because you are on a septic tank does not mean you are polluting. Does not mean you are breaching. Does not mean josh, who is not the science guy's example exist all the time. Depending on certain areas, but I have to tell you, one thing that has not been, and I have not brought this up but maybe with will, I am on a septic tank. On two and a half acres. And the drainage field, it works well. It is a good system. It does not pollute. The newer systems are actually very effective depending on where they are. We know that scientific truth. We have been permitting them and the design is actually very good in the situations. What we are talking about is identified areas of concern. We all agree with that. We agree with that. The, even if we had municipalities such as oak hill recognize the need, they may, they do not have the resources for matching grants. They just do not. I am not sure, I am not sure where they would be. I just don't know. But it is, we have to be careful here with our statements because not everything is polluting, actually some structures are very sound and provide a very good process. Would you agree with that?

The 90,000 is not the target. And I have almost gotten so I do not want to talk about that number. It is a lot. But it is not, it is not what we need to be focusing on.

Agree.

That is not the problem.

Agreed.

There are septics in critical areas, and conditions, that need to be.

And we have identified those.

Good.

So going forward, I think what we are seeing as a council, where is there economic dellville--development, it is going depend on the willingness to partner with the county because it did not happen overnight. We are not going fix this overnight but it will require collaboration for success. And if we have a municipality or city that chooses not to on whatever level to participate then we move on to the next critical area for participation and collaboration. And that has to go without having a two hour conservation in council every time. Maybe we need to make a check off lust. If you do this, this, if you choose not to, that is okay. It is their right to represent their citizens that way. So I think that should be the test that we start to put on the things going forward. And then we move to the next site. But I understand what you are citing, Mr. Daniels. We had a full day of

talking about this at the ocean center. We are always in agreement. It is like getting a resolution of support, it means nothing urn until we get to--nothing until we get to action. I am looking across the board on active participation, monitoring is good, fixing it is better. We need to get to yes to fix it and I am willing to go with that and start the process. And it is time to participate with a yes or a no.

Okay, Mr. Chair, I think I have a direction now that I can bring something book make it easier for you to move forward. I think I now know what you want to do. And that was really the nature of the day.

And we need to thank the staff who has really just done great work trying to put something together. And there is much more work than you have seen today that we can bring back.

All right.

Okay.

So is everybody good with that? Next meeting?

It is either the next or the one after.

I am looking at the next meeting.

Yes, no later than two meetings from now.

Okay. So be it. You have one more comment, Mr. Wagner?

You can go. Mine was more of a comment. Deb brought it up, and not all septic tanks are bad.

We are going to move ahead.

If I may, we have to jump ahead, because Ms. Cusack has to be there far vote and she has to leave soon. Right. So you have the floor now, sir.

Yes, you know, as far as comments, all septic tanks, well, no one ever said that, I never said it. I just said there is low hanging fruit, let's address it. I am sure there are safe ways of smoking crack. I think septic tanks are a bad way.

I am going to cover you yet again, Josh, keep talking.

Okay, my point is there are safe ways of doing septic tanks but we do not have the rules. There has to be stronger rules. The ones that are low hanging fruit, are the examples of oak hill, having 50 trailers on a bad system. I would explain my smoking crack comment if we had more time. But we do not. Thank you.

We don't. All right, we have, one of our council members has to step out. So we are going up to item number nine while we have a full council. And item nine is the ocean deck revised special event schedule for 10 to 15.

I--for 2015.

I will start it off. Obviously this, it has implications for the whole beach and this request has been, we had it up before, this is the follow up, we have had subsequent discusses with the owner, him and his attorney. I will tell you that I thought they were friend I will meetings and everyone really tried to come together. I think they have scaled back their request for this season significantly from where they were. In the end, what we as staff came up with them and I think they understand this is where we are, we would recommend most importantly, that we change, that we update the beach policy for next year. We believe as a staff, that what we would suggest that you have in the new policy revisions for next year, will not allow this type of activity to this limit, to this amount. That being said, so we believe that we should come forward with a new policy. That being said, we also think that this issue with this applicant should be dealt with also in this season. So the new policy would be for the next beach season and you would all agree on it. So we are going to come forward with that, if you like. But we believe that you need to deal now with this individual. The things that we would suggest for the individual now, we do not believe would be allowed under the new policy. So this is a separate discussion then today about this re-fest for this year--request for this year and what I do believe and I have taken both the applicant and Mr. Merrill at their word, and I think they are very sincere, is that in the case of the calendar before you for this year, whatever you would agree to in that, they would not consider that setting a standard or a precedent or that they would feel that they would use this to regain this next year. They believe that they would at least like this issue looked at for this year without you being apprehensive of approving it. I hope I said that right. They have told me that. I believe them. I take their word at that. That being said, we are required as staff to look another what we think is the best way to handle this request. And the council may think we should go further or agree with that. We said that we would approve, well, I would rather have the county attorney tell you how we felt that under handle this and then let them make their pitch. And that is for this group for this season. Dan.

Mr. Chair, here is where I think we, there is much agreement, here is where I think, there is remains disagreement with the applicant and decision points for you. The staff recommendation is to that all equipment come off the beach each night. They would argue that it should not and for reasons that they will explain to you. The staff recommendation is that for any days that you approve, that outside of turtle season, the music end at midnight, consistent with Daytona Beach's ordnance. If you approve any days within the turtle season, that the music end at 9:00 p.m. because the DEP permit does not allow any lighting. And I might indicate, we have more communication regarding the leaving of equipment, that would support the notion that not only should there not be lighting but official and wildlife belief there should not be any equipment. So again, equipment off the beach. Music ends at midnight outside of turtle season. 9:00 p.m. in turtle season. And then, for, from the staff's perspective, Moe of the days--

most of the days that are sought are in March. We understand is there a maybe a different weighting of interest during that time of the year and that some plans were at least under way. So we would recommend the calendar, with the conditions I visit state--I just stated, in March, but not after. We are not recommending any days after March. But if you do, the music ends at 9:00 p.m. So I think that sum rides where we--summarizes where we differ with the applicant and what we told them last week would be the position.

Okay. Is there any other--

One other comment. One other comment. Mr. Merrill? Just so you, hold on for a second. I want to say this one more time. Dan told you what we recommend for this group for this year. Once again, he is going make his pitch, if you decide to do something other than what we recommended, because we are going work on a new policy. We are comfortable in the sense that we all agree it does not set a precedence. So if he makes his pitch and it goes beyond what we suggested, I think we agree it is your decision and it is not a precedent for next year.

So in other words, this is a special exception with a sunset on November of this year.

Whenever you do it. Yes, that is it exactly.

Okay. Okay. Is there other staff discussion?

That is it.

Okay, nothing. Okay. Mr. Merrill.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Rob Merrill for the record. 149 south ridgewood. Staff, appreciate very much all of the time you have spent, literally, many, more hours talking about this. And if you can indulge me with more than three minutes, we need to talk about the proposal.

Oh, yes, I am sorry. You can turn the clock off. He was actually the applicant.

Yes, it gets me nervous. Because I never know what kind of questions might come up.

Wait a minute, we make an attorney nervous. I am liking this.

I am telling you, I don't think I have done a pitch since I sold suntan lotion on pool decks. But I am going to go over where we stand. And thank you to Dan's comments about places where we seem to be apart. I think we are much closer together. I have not had a chance to talk to Dan and as of yesterday, we had sol changes that happened in our business plan, if you will, hopefully to get us close enough to work together here today. I think is the ocean deck is not trader Joe's or Daytona rising or any of the giant projects you guys have partnered on. But I think small businesses, like this business, I think that they

need some partnership from local government, including you all. And we, you know, I think with have jobs that we create. I think we have a purpose of giving tourists and locals alike, to have a place to go to have fresh oysters, if we can get the septic tanks cleaned up. And I think in fact is there a real place for that and I hope you recognize this. That man has been a good taxpayer and citizen here for many years and some of you recognize that they are a mainstay on the beach side that many of us have stories to tell about and experiences that are meaningful. I think that we have come a long way and we have a proposal in front of you with more detail. I think what we tried to do was not only listen to everything that you said, I was not here but you have a great system of reproducing not just your minutes but what you said. So I listened to that and we listen to the staff and the meetings and I think that the project in front of you is a result of that. The one place that Dan pointed out taking everything off the beach every time we have an event at the same night, did create a lot of problems for us. Because in part, over the past several years that you have allowed the activity, Ken has invested in some infrastructure at some cost that he hope today at least re-coop some what. So with that thought in mind today, what I mentioned to Mr. Dennieen yesterday, if you can allow him to use the things that has to wait until the next day to come out of the beach, at least the two bigger events in March, we will start immediately after that to find something more temporary, sell what we bought, and go on about a much more, I think a solution that is much more in line with what staff is looking for, which is getting things off the beach every single time that you have something doing on the same day. I am happy to answer any questions about that that you might have. I want to confirm that in fact, what Mr. Dennieen said is exactly true, there are no expectations, no precedent being set in our view, in our minds by your hopeful approval of the schedule that has been greatly reduced, for just 2015 and I will say that we also believe that the idea of having some beach policy, some rules of the road if you will, as to how special events are supposed to happen, you know, criteria, parameters that are clear, it is a good idea. And in fact, we hope that we will have a chance to be part of the process of bringing something like that back to you folks in the near future. That is it.

Thank you, Rob. I will tell you, I am impressed. In the first 30 seconds of your speech, you covered the county address, all the way up to septic tanks I didn't---tanks.

I didn't mention anything about crack. I took a softer approach.

Well, thank you.

No, any questions, I just want to make sure.

I am sure we will give you the first, second, and third degree.

I was going to council comments, not questions.

Well, yes, if you have a question, you will ask him. We will pull you up, have a seat. You still have the floor, Mr. Daniels.

Okay, you know, in going forward, what I would like to see is an ordnance that does not allow things on the beach at night. I think that is something that we really do need to do to protect against, we can not be giving over the beach to private interests. And I think going forward, we really do need to pay attention to the turtle protection ordnance and make sure that people comply with it because we do not want to get in trouble in that regard. And we do want to comply with the Daytona Beach rules on amplified music. That being said, this gentleman here has been running his business the way he has been running it for a good many years and has, you know, without considering those things, and has changed his proposal from what it was when he appeared here. And he knows this is not something that sets a precedent for next year. We have pulled the rug about halfway from underneath him. I, you know, for one, think that halfway, pulling the rug halfway from underneath him is probably good enough. I move approval.

I a motion and a second from Ms. Cusack.

Mr. Daniels, move approval on what?

On the plan submitted.

On the plan submitted leaving the equipment on the beach overnight?

Ocean deck revised.

That would be twice, right?

I am having, Mr. Merrill said that his client was going the be shifting to a different type of equipment.

Two eventings in March and--events in March, and the midnight music off thing, the direction of the music, and then the 9:00 turtle season shut down.

So Mr. Merrill, if I can clarify the equipment is on the beach overnight in the month of March?

The two events that were the red color on the calendar. For those two events, how much days total?

Mr. Daniels, is this what you are approving, the calendar with conditions, with the allowance of the equipment overnight.

Dan, Dan, I tell you what, why don't you state the motion and I will say yes.

Okay, sir.

Mr. Daniels moves approval of the calendar proposed by the applicant for those dates, but equipment off the beach except for the two dates, two event dates, that is more than one date, I think, during March,

the two events. And that the music be not after midnight outside of turtle season and not after 9:00 p.m. during turtle season.

Exactly. And my calf yacht was when you redo the ordnance, let's not let anything on the beach overnight. This man has been there far long time doing what he has been doing. Let's give him a break.

Rob, I think so there is no mis-under standing. How many days is it on the beach?

Yes, Jim, that is a good yes. If you can look at the calendar for March, there are two events that are red colored. Those are the events where we have the bigger infrastructure, if you will on the beach, and so the first event is two days, correct?

March fourth and fifth.

Yes, let's be clear about it. We went to great lents. If you--great lengths. If you look at the word, it is when you are setting up and taking down.

Yes.

Okay. So understood.

On the 26th, you are not leaving it.

Yes, okay, so here is what we are doing to do. The event on the fit had to be canceled. We had things we could not get settled before this meeting. So the only event is the fourth. We will set up that day and take it down the next day. So it would the be fifth. The same thing on the 26th. We can set it up that day, have the event that night and take it down the following morning. Those are the only two things in the month of March. Two overnight stays.

It is two overnight.

Two overnights.

Two events with one overnight.

So from the fourth, and they take down the fifth. 26th, take town the 27th.

That is right.

So you have a four day, two night stay. Good.

Yes, we got it.

Yes.

Yes, Ms. Cusack, you still have the floor. You are good? Okay. Ms. Cusack, you have the floor.

I just seconded that. I am type.

All right, Mr. Wagner.

Just to thank the maker of the motion and the second. I will supporting it. Thank you.

Ms. Denys.

Thank you, I am supporting it but we did not pull the rug out on anybody, staff did not, council did not. All we did was look at the application process, we didn't pull the rug out, it was the applicant that extended the rug on property and on the beach. And so, I want to be clear, I am going to support the motion, but I want to be clear that this council did not pull the rug out from under the applicant and it is because we are not the beach commander, it was allowed to continue. And Mr. Merrill, you and I had this conservation one on one, I said well, maybe we should have shut it down earlier.

Just for the record, it was Doug that talked about the rug. Really, we appreciate any curtesy that you can extend to us.

We got to yes, that is a good thing, Mr. Merrill. Okay, so I think on staff's behalf, this is a good faith estimate going forward and I wish you success this year on your property. Thank you. With that, call the motion.

I have a call for the question. All in favor, call for the question. That is your--that is indeed. Call for the question. All in favor. Ms. Denys, you cannot call the question and then push to speak. Yes, you are on. Okay, we are having technical issues. Okay, so that means Mr. Eckert, Mr. Dennieen, we called the question, all those in favor. Just raise your hand. Is that an agreement? Okay, it is. Opposeed. No opposed? Let's try this in English, all in favor. All opposed. So carried. Unanimous.

Thanks very much.

No problem, go get to work.

Mr. Chair, as they are leaving, what I was going to tell the council is we are, we will be prepared to bring you a new beach policy some time this summer, probably around July or so and that will have all of the things Mr. Daniels suggested and what we were going recommend.

Very well. All right, where were we?

You have to go back.

Now we have to go back to six. You made me jump all over. Item six. Mary Ann.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. This was a resolution drafted at the request of the water discussion group of the elected officials round table. The agreement in materials of process was that we would distribute a draft and then each jurisdiction is able to adopt some version of this in order to really establish some common ground in terms of how we pursue amendment one funding. The resolution speaks to this issue of the allocation of amendment one funding to include land acquisition and infrastructure. We have also in the hospitalled in here that Volusia county has the position of having taxed itself for 20 years. If infrastructure is not supported, we would effectively become a donor county to the rest of the date and that would be bad for the activity. And finally, the resolution does, it poses a post-ewe that we have not really--a post-your that we have not really done before. But it recognizes the challenges is significant as we have just discussed. A 20,000-dollar assessment is not the same in Broward county as it is in Volusia county, in term of property value. And this poses the position that perhaps the allocation and the award process for amendment one funding makes some recognition in terms of the challenges to the communities with the lower property values. And that is what it is.

Very well. Okay. So, we need to make a resolution on this particular one. Is there any discussion? I do have a citizen discussion. Any other staff discussion first? Is that it? All right. We are going to go right to citizen Mr. Tom friend. Can you please come front to the podium? And I have say this for the record that you have already spoken on one part of an issue of water clarity. This is about something totally different, this is about money.

Okay, if you start to go down the trail that we have already walked up, I will have to stop you and we'll get you back on track.

Please state your name an address for the record.

Yes, I am Tom friend, I live in new Smyrna beach, Florida. Ms. Denys, I agree with you 101%. Monitoring is not the issue. Solution is the issue. The way this resolution is written, you cannot fund a solution. It must be either sewers or land acquisition. Land acquisition will not save the lagoon. Is there a plan to--there is a plan to save the lagoon. It is the plan too that I have been asking that we be permit today present to this county council, so that you are fully informed. If you pass the resolution as it stands, you will not be able to ask for amendment one funding for anything other than infrastructure land acquisition. Now everybody knows that I am in favor of land acquisition, I have been supporting it for 20 years here in the county. But what we need to do is actually look at some solutions and we would like to bring that solution to you. So I am asking you please, do not tie your hands before you have heard all of the evidence, until you see what is available, until you know what pro-outs are actually out. --projects are actually out there. I can not tell you in three minutes and I do not want to go back over what I already said. But this is an extensive program, we have called in research from St. Johns, we have called in research from a major research institute. We have people willing to speak. We have evidence, the county has already done a 91 study. There have been more recent studies and I really believe that

everyone on the county council would like to be more fully informed. The way that the resolution is written, you will not be able to consider anything else other than acquisition and infrastructure. I don't know what you would want to Hendersoner yourself like that--to hinder yourself like that. I can not imagine. But please consider it. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. Any other citizen participation? Okay. We will now go to council discussion. I thought Mr. Daniels was ahead of me. Did you reset your button, sir?

I don't know what my button is doing. But if you would, go ahead.

Okay. You know, I have read over this, I will make this comment, I have read over this thing and yes, I have been in contact with senator Simmons and we are going to be sitting down in the very near future and he is like we have not each made a bill. We have not said where the money is going. We have not doing anything. We are going sit down and I am going ask him where the money is going go. I have heard rumor ant it going this--about it going this way and that way. But yes, reading this over, the first thing is yes, we are going to fix water quality and then we are going to buy land and then we are going to subsidize repairing bad septic tanks and then we are going build infrastructure for storm waters: That is it. And that, that statement is correct, our hands are tied and I really do not want to tie our hands. So I cannot support this particular draft. So Mr. Daniels. And I can not make a motion, either.

Okay. I will go ahead and move approval. I do not think it ties our hands if we have a prose the that is brought before the county council that would be good for amendment one funding that is outside of the scope of this, we will just add that to it. But these are the basic things and really the argument in Tallahassee is you going to use the money--is are you going to use the money for land acquisition or for water quality, that type of thing. And since we have already spent so much money on land activity way what sixings--land acquisitions. We just need it two to for septic tanks, and lord knows if there is anything else that is going to come up that is going to help the lagoon system, the springs, the St. johns whatever, we will be happy to add it. So I move approval.

And a second from Mr. Wagner.

The numbers are flashing everywhere.

I mean, this thing is crazy. Who else would like to speak?

Ever since the crack comment my box is not working right.

Crack moves into the neighborhood, everything is messed up. It is true. I thought it was a great example, just to make a point. I could elaborate more. My comment was just--

We are having a problem with the system. We are having a problem with the system. We think is there a short in it. We are going have to it fixed.

My comments to this is that we have to start some where. That is it. So I support it. Thank you.

All right. Any other comments, please raise your hand because I can not trust this system. Ms. Denys.

Mr. Friend, I hear you. I hear what he is saying. And I agree with you. But we have to start some where. And here is my question to legal, Mr. Eckert, if we pass this resolution, it is not binding forever, it is? Can it be amended to incorporate other solutions and opportunities?

Yes, ma'am.

So I want to go on the record that you know that, we are listening, I hear you. But here is the other thing with amendment one and while we are looking at that on this level, in Tallahassee where they are making the other de-siss on amendment one--decisions on amendment one, I think it was Mary Ann, we were talking, that you said, and I really, that really resinated with me, it is that Volusia county, if it is just for land acquisition across--aqua says across the state--acquisition across the state. Because the citizens are going to tax themselves for 20 years, we will become a donor state to amendment one and we will have no impact for the citizens of Volusia county. That is a strong consequence if we do not go foramendment one. So I think on behalf of all of Volusia county and the opportunity to amend this resolution, if there is another opportunity or another issue address, which I would be open to going forward, I think we all would, to get to the solution. I do not think anybody is against that. I am going support it because of that. But we cannot continue to be a donor county. We are already owed money from the state. With that, I support it.

All right. Okay. Any other questions? I do have one question. Mr. Eckert, if the position did approve, does that mean we are out of the game all together?

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This is just a resolution saying that we are going to apply for this money?

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It is more of a policy question of what--

Basically what the resolution going to do?

It is an advocacy position.

Oh, okay.

You are asking for a construction by the legislator that does not exclude these purposes. The construction that is not limited to and acquisition.

Okay. Okay. Very well. All right, and any further discussion? Okay. Seeing no further discussion, all in favor. All opposed. I will stand opposed. So it is a 6-1.

And who seconded that motion?

Mr. Wagner.

Thank you.

Thank you, ma'am.

All right, we don't know what is going here with that. All right, Indian lagoon program interlocal agreement.

Actually, Mr. Chair, I am going to take this one.

We have to get in updated more often I keep looking to Kelly and it is you.

Well, it was started by Ms. Mcguy but some things happened in the last week, it was postponed from February 5th and then on February 11th, the Indian river lagoon advisory board had another meeting to Iraq or Afghanistan dress the concerns of Indian river county. The board, the original member ship was suppose today be DEP, St. Johns water management district and the five counties along the Indian river lagoon. And we have the director of the program here with us today, Henry dean, contracted by the south Florida water management district to help put this new organization together and Carolyn who is an attorney to actually help draft the agreement. They may want to speak. They may just want to hear your excepts and hear your a--your comments and hear your approval. After quite a wilt of time and Mr. Daniels is your representative and sat on the design team that helped design the new organization, an agreement was reached and sent around to the counties to the and water management districts for approval. Indian river county, during that approval process, opted out, voted no because of two specific concerns. One was that DEP, south Florida, and St. Johns are regulatory authorities and they believed that they should not have a vote on the new organization. The second issue is the sunset clause with us not a true sunset. It was more of a clause that said every five years you will review and then you would vote whether to continue or not. But it does not automatically terminate at end of the five years. There was another meeting on February 11, and they addressed the concerns. They believe that the original groom as drafted was okay and so they took a vote to remove Indian county's name from the agreement, out of respect for their decision. That does preclude Indian river county or any other group along the Indian river from participating. There is a special provision in this agreement that lets people to opt in and for the advisory board to accept them. And to become a member of the organization. The primary purpose of the

organization is really to pro-yourtize projects along the Indian river baa Larry bird began--river lagoon. So unlike the issues that we have had with the mosquito lagoon at the state level, at the federal level, it goes to the inlet. We recommend that you approve it as drafted. At this point, as of yesterday, all of the votes had been taken, everyone has voted on the new agreement except Indian river county, unfortunately, and we do hope that they will come on board. And that is it.

Thank you, ma'am. Any public participation on this one yet, ma'am? Okay, council comments. Yes, Mr. Daniels.

Thank you, I was the representative and attended the meetings and I move approval.

A motion for approval. I have a second from Mr. Wagner.

You know, what it came down to is that Indian river county had a lot of comments that were, that seemed to know be largely--seemed to me to be you know, largely, if we had kicked the water management districts, both of them off the board, DEP off the board, there would have been more. It needs to be a collaborative board and I do not think Indian river county was ready to do that. They feel that Joe is gunshot wound to--is going to give them a lot of money and they do not need us very much. Me, I got a lot of comfort from having the organizations on there. They are putting up money. And I don't see how you have an organization that is going to be one of So your funders, one of--one of your funders, one of your significant funders and you deny them a vote. It was more of a glad to happy sort of change but we were not really going to do the others any way. This is an initiative that I was was started by the governor. This is one that the governor wanted to get the counties more involved on making decisions with regard to Indian river lagoon and to improving water quality there. It is supported by DEP and it is up support--and it is supported by the EPA, the federal government, they want to see this happen, they are very much interested in using this as a vehicle to fund money into the lagoon. And you know, one of my objectives, as soon as this thing got started, is to move the border from the Indian river lagoon up to the border between Volusia county and flagellar county. Which I do not think is a stretch. I think that we should be able to do that and the talking I have done with the regulatory shorts, I--authorities, I do not think it would be hard to get it done. The idea is to get money to help fix the problems that are in the la football. From south, certainly, we have problems in the Halifax river ourselves. The north peninsula, et--pennisula, et cetera. Maybe is this a source of the money. It is something that you know, we worked on pretty hard, Carolyn was the lawyer who drafted it. She cut out about 50% of the pages, which was just about right. And it is an organization that is going to E. coli vol and we will see--evolve and we will see what it turns into. It is hard to predict the future but I think it is something that we will all be glad that we joined given the fact that the federal government and the state government believed it is important and believed it important that we join and they are the primary funders. It is an opportunity for us to show that we are a player in this and

that we are going to be a part of it and we are not going to take our marbles and go home. I think signing up on this would be a very good move or Volusia county. Thank you.

Any other comments? Go ahead, sir. Mr. Patterson.

I have some deep reservations. I really think what we are creating, or allowing to see created, another agency that is, I think you will get report after report after report after report and you know, I don't know if they are going to be able to get anything done other than have meetings and people sitting and talking and hiring people to go to work and do stuff but nothing will get done. And I think there are a lot of things gone on and I do not think this is one that is going do anything.

Any other discussion? Ms. Dennyings.

Along that discussion, Mr. Patterson, and Mr. Daniels, Josh, thank you for pointing me to the Indian river lagoon counties collaborative.

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You are welcome. You owe me. So where I am going with this is that is another coalition or collaborative that has been identified as a possible solution for a problem that we all understand is there. So, would you agree, Josh, and Doug, you are the two that are the most active in the collaboratives and that is basically just another organization and everything is going turn over to your organization, Doug, is that a fair statement? Looking at that?

What I would like to do is I would like to call up Henry Deen. Henry, would you mind coming forward. If you don't know, he was the head of the St. Johnings river water management district for years. And then he was head of the south Florida water management district for years. He was the one that developed the program that would have saved the everglades had the state of Florida not blinked. Henry is, there is nobody more experienced in water issues in the state of Florida than Henry Deen. Henry, if you would address Mr. Patterson's concerns and the interplay.

Thank you, I am Henry Deen. I am doing consulting work as commissioner Daniels said. Changing to what will hopefully will be a new and successful and better program. The county collaborative has been very successful in recent months, which was established because of the counties concerns, I think the leadership among the five counties felt that there was a great problem that had developed with the lagoon, and with the lake discharges in the south and problems with really extreme weather conditions in the north that we suffered here that led to mayor impacts to the--major impacts to the resourcers. And in addition to the--resources. And in addition to the collaborative, which was aphony leadership move, the governor felt like last year, that there needed to be more county input and leadership and more money from the state and regional agencies to work toward restoring and enhancing the lagoon. And frankly, Mr. Patterson, I share your concern. I would

share your concern about it if in fact I felt that that was the case. I am not a fan of meetings and rules and useless activity. We need action. And frankly, for the last 20 years, we have had this program, this is not a new program. This is a an ongoing program initiated by EPA, EPA came to Florida and asked who would be the local sponsor and at the time, 20 years ago, no one expressed any interest other than the St. Johns water management district. So there has been a program and there will be a program in the future. But the governing board has been the local entity. And that what I the governor decided and suggested that rather than have an appointed board making final decisions on what programs and what restoration activities should take place in lagoon. We need county leadership and county input and we need a collaborative. And so we met, the advisory board that commissioner Daniels serves on, we met for the last eight months and talked among the five county leaders and all were in agreement but for Indian river county that the program would continue but it would continue with leadership and control for the first time from the county leaders of the five counties that serve on the lagoon, or that live on the lagoon. And so, the majority of the funding, roughly 80% to 85% of the is fund,--of the if you finding is coming from the--of the funding is coming from the EPA and management systems. And now there are four county commissioners and if Indian river joins, and several communities, and the three agencies. We want to increase awareness and the visibility of the problems through the new, locally driven entity to go as a group as Indian river lagoon counties to say that we need major restoration funding for the projects. So again, I would be the first to tell you that we do not want anymore spinning our wheels having more meetings, we want action and I can assure you from talks we have had with martin county, Brevard county, and St. Lucy county, that is what they want. And I am sure that is what you want, is action and getting the lagoon cleaned up. And I will be happy to answer any questions.

All right, anything else, sir? All right. Please have a seat. Any other questions or comments? You still have the floor, ma'am.

It still goes to the question, is there a purpose for both organizations, in other words, the county's collaborative, we are discussing your other organization. When we look at funding, they are looking for $50,000, which for the record, I support, but I would like toed a one footnote for next year's budget, I think I would question funding the St. John river water management alliance. I think we fund them for $20,000, it is in our budget.

That is for the St. Johns river.

Yes.

Okay. Enter yes, yes. I I--okay.

Yes, yes. I think I would look at pulling that 20,000 and more reasons that we will talk about later. I believe that the executive director, we just gave and 18.5% increase, he works 30 hours a week. So from being effective and where we are going to spend our money, we do not

give that to our own staff. We are struggling to find $37,000 to monitor water. Let's take it from the St. John river water management alliance. I think we need to pull our funding from. So with that, that is just a heads up. I think we need to pull that. I do support what you are doing. But I do not want to duplicate, and a meeting two hour drive for and hour and a half meeting each way is a little the much. --is a little much.

Well, we do not have a button to push. I think Ms. Denys, you have hit on what I believe, where the Indian river council is going. It is the new board, if you vote to approve this, you will be member of this. The counties got together because they did not think that the NEP was paying attention to them because it was driven by state agencies.

Agreed.

And I believe, and martin county drove, creating that, that collaborative because they were concerned about that. And that got people's attention. And so I believe that the collaborative will be dissolved because now you will have members, and once you do appoint, adopt the issue, you will have to appoint a member and an alternate to the new Indian river council. I think that will one will away because they will then become the voice. And that was, that was, I believe the intent all along. I will say though, that first it has to be created. They have to have a meeting to create the any board, to start putting, and transferring over. So it might be a few months before the collaborative is dissolved. But I think that is a direction that this is going. Yes, ma'am.

Okay. Now see, that is action and I think that is what we are all looking for. So great, thank you for the clarification.

Okay, now we are back online. So if you want to push your button. All in favor of the expenditure of $50,000--

It would be signing the agreement.

Yes, we are signing and joining. That is why we would expend. Anytime giving them--I am not giving them $50,000 because I like them.

That would be reason enough.

Oh, yes, it would be. Do not laugh so much. All in favor. All opposed. One opposed, Mr. Patterson.

And Mr. Chair, now that you have joined.

Yes, and there you are.

Thank you, we do node to appoint--we do need to appoint a member and an alternate.

Mr. Daniels, do you have any objections to remaining? I would like to remain the member. And we need an alternate.

Any objection to Mr. Daniels remaining as the primary member on that board? So moved without objection. Mr. Wagner, would you like to be the alternate? Oh, Deb wants to be the alternate.

Thank you, I would really enjoy being the alternate. Mr. Daniels, yes, I would love to be your alternate.

I detect a little note of sarcasm.

Oh, I mean it genuinely. Yes, I will, I will gladly serve Volusia.

She will gladly serve. Okay, so there is a nomination by Mr. Wagner, no less for Ms. Denys. Any objections? So moved. Yes, ma'am, you are covering. Nine copies? Okay. Well, while I am spending and hour here signing paperwork, we will move onto item number eight which is the beach special event request for Indian Moe toll cycle VIP beach party.

Let me add asking.

Mr. Wagner, your light is on.

George will walk you through this item. Very nice people, because we had to make the change in our meetings, they are running longer and we made the change, they were not, they are not able to stay, and I assured them that they would get a very good, you know, a fair hearing, if they were not here. So they were here for most of the morning but they had to leave.

All right, thank you. What we have before you is an application by north turn restaurant to have a small event out behind their restaurant on the beach. It is requesting to have alcohol, if you notice in their permit request, they will remove, they will build their sufficient on the ramp, they--stuff on the ramp, they will move it down and then take it off that night so there is no equipment on the beach at night. I think they have actually made their event a little

Mr. Wagner, you get to have the floor.

This reflects the comments at the last couple of meetings as far as Council is concerned. It kind of reflects where we are trying to go anyway from what I am hearing.

They would fit the new policy. They are one-day to special event. They are putting everything on and taking everything off the beach the same day. They will not leave it overnight.

I will put a motion to support.

Motion for support. Second from Mr. Lowry. Further discussion.

Comments. I have been to some of these events. -- they are -- the biker dudes, the leather and shops and boots. I even have a been E. I

like looking at the old antique bikes. And talking to some of the writers -- pretty cool. Definitely in support. So it seems no other comments. All those in favor, please signify -- all those in favor of approval of the beach for the VIP beach party, March 7, 2015, please signify by aye.

All those opposed.

Unanimous. That would be six zero. This Cusack has been gone the last two votes. I thought I would let you know. With that, we have some time specific for anyone who is listening who is thinking about running down here. Because they really wanted to hear the next five items. Two items have been continued, to March. And we have some legal issues with the other two items. So we're going to have to try to push those forward. I my correct?

Yes.

The next items up would be -- nominations for appointment. So we don't have a lot of business to do this afternoon. And we can't really even discuss the other issues until -- to 30:00 p.m. With all of that, I guess we will take a lunch break.

Where we going to go straight through?

We can't. Styles -- time specific.

It has already been -- maybe I am looking at something different here. But it says 2:30 p.m., continue to March. Okay, 2:00, this item will not be heard -- it will be placed -- Council meeting agenda. Does that not need a motion to seconds?

Those will be re- advertised.

Okay.

Items 33 and 34 will be re- advertised.

Okay. Then let's move on -

Hold on. I'm sorry, Mr. Eckert.

I'm going to request we take at least a 10 minute break. And -- I was looking and thinking about a break.

His eyes are floating.

Mine are too.

We are all down the same road. Item 35 . Here it is. Item 35. Appointment to fill term expirations on the volunteer fire -- firefighter retirement advisory board. Any Council may make the nomination. Do I hear a nomination?

Item 35.

These have been recommended by the Fire Chief, for the enabling documents.

I will entertain --

Mr. Chair, I nominate Jule Baker nominated by Ms. Denys, to full term expirations of the volunteer fire department advisory board. Any objection? Seeing none, all those in favor, signify by aye. All those opposed. That will be the three-year or the four year term?

Three-year term.

March 8, 2015. There is another appointment.

These nominations have to come from the Fire Chief, correct?

So this is their recommendation. This is just housekeeping.

Just housecleaning, yes.

Why don't you be the first, Mr. Lowry.

To do what?

To nominate Donald Johnson.

Sure.

Thank you, Mr. Lowry -- we will get him into the swing of this.

You really put me on the spot.

I know it. All right. Nomination -- Donald Johnson, by Mr. Lowry, for one appointment for a four year term commencing March 17, 2015, and expiring March 16, 2019. All those in favor, please signify by aye. All those opposed. So unanimous, 6-0.

Item 36. Appointments to fill positions on the Volusia County educational facilities Authority. Any Council member may make nomination. There is one appointment for five-year. One appointment for the remainder of the five year which is about a year and a half. Do I hear any nominations?

Mr. Chair, I nominate Donald Travis.

Donald Travis, nomination. Which appointment?

The five or the remaining four?

Do you want him to reserve -- or for the remainder?

For the five-year.

Okay. So nomination, Donald Travis, for a five-year term commencing March 2, 2015, expiring might -- March 1, 2020. Motion by Ms. Denys, -- or recognition by Denys. All those in favor, signify by aye. All those opposed. So carried. Unanimous 6-0.

Item 37 is in here somewhere. Item 37. Appointments -- to fill term expirations on the library advisory board.

Mr. Chair, we had one more appointment on 36.

Sorry .

Can I ask a question?

Please ask a question.

On 36, the Randall be Howard is in brown. Does that mean they are serving now?

What you mean it is in red?

Yes.

No, it is not.

What is the designation for?

That would be Marcy Zimmerman.

It was a supplemental application that came in after we get the agenda.

It is one of those -- OOPS, here we are. So now we have one more appointment. One appointment for the remainder of a five-year term expiring March 1, 2016. Deanna Jones or Ronald Howard are the two applicants available.

I will point Deanna Jones.

Deanna Jones -- appointment made by Mr. Fred Lowry. Any further discussion? Are you discussing, Ms. Denys?

Okay. All those in favor, please signify by aye. All those opposed.

Now I can go to 37. This is the appointment fill term expirations on the library advisory board. Seven appointments for the two year term, commencing April 1, 2015, and expiring March 31, 2017. Okay.There is one -- each person gets to make, at large, at present, District 1. Motion for continuance, District 1. All those in favor, signify by aye. All those opposed. District 2 . Neil Harrington -- nomination made by Mr. Josh Wagner. Further discussion, seeing none, all those in favor, please signify by aye.

All those opposed. So carried. District 3.

Donald need him.

Nomination by Ms. Denys for Donald need him. All those in favor, please signify by aye. All those opposed. So carried.

District 4.

Carol Johnson.

Carol Johnson nomination by Mr. Doug Daniels. All those in favor, please signify by aye. All those opposed. So carried. District 5.

Suzanne Lombardi.

Suzanne Lombardi. Nomination by Mr. Fred Lowry, all those in favor, please signify by aye. All those opposed. So carried. Chair request a continuance.

Yes. And we will be continuing at large.

Yes, at large, District 1 and tier will be continuing. -- and chair will be continuing.

All right. Item 38. Appointments to fill terms expirations on the children and families advisory board. East side, West side. Let's start off with nine appointments for the two-year term commencing in April and expiring March 31, 82 year -- a two year term. Let's start off with District 1. All those in favor, signify by aye. All those opposed. So carried. District 2. Are you requesting. Request a continuance, all those in favor signify by aye. All those opposed. So carried. District 3.

I will reappoint Larry Kelley Junior. But just want to make a comment here too. We are losing -- Mary Bruneau after 20 years of serving on this board. I think that is worth noting. I tried to convince her to stay and asked her to continue because she has a lot of knowledge. This is one of our strongest boards that we have for volunteers. It serves us very well. That is my nomination, Larry Kelly Junior. Thank you.

Lawrence Kelly Junior, nomination by Ms. Denys. All those in favor, signify by aye. All those opposed. So carried. District 4.

District 4, I will renominate Victoria KLUWE. William Timmins seems like a great guy. But she is on there and I understand is doing a good job. I will reappoint her.

Nomination made by Mr. Daniels, Dr. Victoria Louis -- KLUWE. All those in favor, signify by aye. All those opposed. So carried. District 5, you are up.

Reappoint Marissa Vasquez.

Reappointing Marissa -- Vasquez. By Mr. Fred Lowry. All those in favor, signify by aye. All those opposed. So carried. Under high recognition, the chair will recommend Dr. William Timmins Junior for my Eastside appointment. Mr. Patterson.

I made a nomination.

Mr. William KIMMONS for my Eastside appointment.

All in favor? Opposed.

Thank you, sir.

I will need a continuance on the West side.

And we will have to continue the, at large. I have one, at large. We are good.

Item 39. Appointments to fill term expirations on the Taurus development Council of Volusia County.

Mr. Chair, I nominate Lori Campbell.

Lori Campbell Baker, nominated by Mr. Patterson. All those in favor, please signify by nay. All those opposed. So carried. I don't know if I should -- I will do for.

Nominate Jason reader.

Thank you. Jason reader, nominated by Mr. Doug Daniels. All those in favor, please signify by aye. All those opposed. So carried.

Made a mess of my desk. I wasn't ready for that. Keep moving through. Mr. Lowry, closing comments. Keep them brief. Keep them sure.

I will be really quick.

I got it.

Last time he gave me a hard time for being too great.

I will give you a hard time anyway.

The meeting with staff -- we continue -- we did the orientation with staff. Especially chief Jets met. And working on the prior issues and so forth. Dialtone opened up the Little League. Attended that. Grand opening for CC Museum of Art. Was spectacular. I will move on. Tender River Lakes heritage quarter meeting. Awesome group of people. Roundtable. With the elected officials, it was an awesome meeting. A wonderful tool to communicate. We broke ground on the neighborhood Walmart and the tractor supply place which is near my house, which I am going to thoroughly enjoy spending my money there. And employee

recognition yesterday was amazing. An awesome. And looking forward to the airport door tomorrow. Thank you.

I times that right, didn't I?

You sure did.

Mr. Patterson, closing comments.

Just a couple here. I met with the Dover -- subdivision. That will be an interesting issue. But they might possibly want to look at a special assessment District. So putting some numbers together -- so probably will need to talk to the staff moving forward with that if they decide that is something they want to do. They have a lot of other options. The biggest problem is there are 40 people. Twenty of them are on a water supply that is crumbling to dust as we speak. Staff did a fantastic job on the -- meeting. We had about 60 people show up on a rainy night. They really showed up. We only had one person out of the entire crowd that was absolutely positively opposed to the increase and came up with a couple of suggestions which would pretty much take it back to about the 1940s. But it was there. A lot of people filled out the questionnaires -- you can see the comments there. The largest majority of people there supported the fire stations. They don't want to lose them. And supported the increase. And the Pearson town Council meeting, they are going to be sending us a resolution to see if we will support -- which is also the widening of State Road 17 some time in our lifetime from Putnam County tube Barboursville. They have a traffic problem up there that is failing. I am working on -- Park. They are concerned that we haven't been living up to our part of the organ with Tim Bailey -- so I will be talking to them. That is where we are.

Very well. Thank you. Mr. Wagner.

Closing comments.

Say no to crack. Thank you.

Great words to live by. That is all of them. Ms. Cusack is not here. Mr. Daniels. Closing comments.

No, Mr. Chair.

Ms. Denys. Closing comments.

Thank you Mr. Chair. The fire fund rescue -- meaning we had -- I think we have three attendees. Was that it? It was a good meeting. There were only three that attended. We will see. I think it will increase from here on out. I have the opportunity to meet with the Governor's representative last week with the Daytona chamber. His District representative. And again, we talked about the Indian River Lagoon collaborative staff -- very appreciative of that. Tom, thank you for telling us all of the details we didn't know and representing us well at that meeting. Again, about the JJ asked -- anywhere I go,

anytime I have that year, that is tagged in that are a lot of issues -- hopefully this discussion will lead to action somewhere. I meant to bring this up on the consent agenda and did not. I think we need to watch this. The mosquito control -- I believe we moved $200,000 into mosquito control because -- to patrol areas that are not in the taxing authority -- basically West Volusia. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think it was on the consent agenda. I just didn't pull it. So I think it is time we have an honest conversation on mosquito patrol, and funding it. Because those of us on the Eastside our funding all of this. And there is an increased demand and usage, as there should be. I get that. On On the Westside. But maybe we need to look at a West Volusia mosquito control District. And if you talk to some folks, they are probably an agreement with that. This will go on every year. This time, the increase was -- two or 300% increase because of the area not in that taxing authority. I will continue to bring that up. Let's take a look at that if you will, and what that would take. It is time to include them. Also, there will be transportation Summit -- Southeast Volusia. Strength through connections with the County and the cities on March 7 at Edgewater city commission chambers. Secretary downs from ODOT -- FDOT will be there as well as the Executive Director will be there with all of the cities. The chamber of commerce and the -- will give an update on all of the infrastructure and what is happening in Southeast Volusia. There is a lot going on. So that will be March 7 from 8:30 until 12:30 in the city of Edgewater the D-letter of commission chambers. -- city of commission chambers. It is good. Mr. Chair, I agree with you. I was surprised when you said the state it -- the state of the County is good. We have some challenges. But every day is getting better.

Everyday, it is getting better. In response to that, I get a lot of pressure from a lot of people who are naysayers, that don't really know about what is going on, and how hard it is for us to balance these budgets and make these things happen. And all of the meetings we are going. Trust me -- I get all kinds of -- you need to tell the truth. I said, I do tell the truth. I have yet to live.

Just one more -- I would be a mess not to address this. Thank you to the residence of Cal Creek. We came to an agreement on the trails. Mr. Henry is a spokesperson for that group. And he called just the other day -- Tuesday, before he met with staff and said, DEP, we have a problem. Because we had two begins. Then Monday was a problem. -- Monday was a holiday. A lot of people were out-of-state. They have verbal commitments. Just not all the signatures. Staff was prepared to have an extension to come to that successful conclusion. So staff, thank you for working with the citizens. And thanks to the citizens for working with us and collaborating. We got to that yes that we held out for. So thank you. That fall.

You took my thunder. I should have dabbled -- thank you for making that suggestion. Thirteen days. I went out there on the third day afterwards. I stood in the middle of the property and explained the situation. I also explained that it was an all or nothing deal. Everybody or nobody. And they made it happen. There were some e-mails. I was a little nervous. I double called and made sure.

Talked to Jerry this morning. Jerry Brenton. He said, I got everyone of them. We are Golden. So life is good. Do we need a motion now to make that happen? It was part of a discussion. It was on the agenda for discussion and for approval.

I put it on the agenda because of the issue. We had given them an alternative. And they took it. They took it so we are moving on.

Okay. I'm glad we got that state of the County address out. It wasn't okay showing. Next year, invite your friends.

I did. Most of them showed up. And Smokey the cat is working out well in the house. And everybody is happy on the farm. I don't have any further questions or comments.

Mr. Patterson,.

The West Volusia Summit is Saturday. So those of you that may want to attend.

That would be really great. But I will be at the race track. Unless somebody else would like to go.

Okay, with all that, Mr. Dinneen, I don't like the fact that you have five pieces of paper in your hand. Just two. And they are small type. Mr. Dinneen.

While Rick and Steve are coming up, Marianne will hand out this little hand up. I will be bringing forward to the Council, at the next meeting or the meeting after, the agreement with just blew that we will have to sign, as long as we get the details worked out. What I thought would be good for the Council -- because you saw the excitement -- I called you all and we talked about it. This is -- you have never seen this. This is the incentive package that we put together. I will be having that agreement put together. Rick is working on that. He and Steve. When that comes forward, these will be the elements. You don't have to pass it until then. But I did want to show you -- and I will make a comment on landing fees on the second sheet. Because there was a blog out there to talk about landing fees.

How dare they do that.

Steve and Rick.

Who wants to take the lead.

The one thing we did do -- we had a lot of attends -- and Steve will tell you the the years, to get JetBlue. I think we really cranked it up here in the last year and a half, when we brought all of the actors to play in the private sector. And doctor Johnson. And we worked together with an incentive package that is real money to them, from us and the private sector. I just want to say that -- I feel -- this whole thing that we have been doing -- government sometimes disagrees that we are dysfunctional and don't get a wrote -- get along. It is

not true. We get along quite well with other governments. Quite well, I think we have a good relationship and the private sector with all of the businesses. And the proof in the putting -- you see all of the things we do with team Volusia. It is when you ask people to step up. And they step up. And we will not do this unless we are a team. However you want to handle it, Rick.

Thank you. Rick Karl. Economic resources. Just to echo what -- said. This was an effort by the private sector. I have been here five years now. I was the airport director. This has been the -- the highest priority. Bringing people together in the community -- they were having contest -- contest among themselves. You have Lisa Kennedy -- you would go to New York and stop in and see JetBlue. We could Jason reader on the last trip. And serendipitously, he got the contract to manage the hotel. And the JetBlue facility in Orlando, and knew the president, John Albright, who called me every week about this. Got on a plane and spend a two hour ride -- or a three-hour flight to New York with Dave Barger, the CEO. All of the serendipitous stuff going on -- it does take time. But it is a lot of effort. I was at the point of -- private sector and Steve Cook has led the charge with the airline directly. It is my honor and privilege to introduce Steve and quickly go over the incentive package to get an idea of what we are doing. Steve is going to be retiring at the end of August. This is a great retirement present for Steve. So without further ado, Steve Cook -

As Steve comes up to the microphone, I want to take a second to personally thank Dr. Johnson. He and I personally sat down with the CEO and members of the team, and really set down with them. They came to see us. We had a private meeting to explain -- they have a choice. They like the airports. They like how it is run. They like what is going on with the community. They think they saw a lot of opportunity with the community. But they saw a community spirit that we were willing to work together. And Johnson reminded them that 25% of the pilots in this country come from his university. And they are all really scrambling. And he would feel really good about them doing JetBlue is JetBlue is flying out of here. So we had a really good talk. I want to thank him personally. I think all of these things work together. Steve.

Basically, the incentive package is similar to what we have done before. We start with marketing. We offer $200,000 of airport funds from marketing. This is to go into the market that is coming into the Volusia County area. In the case of JetBlue, we know we are going to New York. New York is a very expensive market to market and. We went to the Seabees and got an additional $200,000 of Rick -- of support. That makes $400,000. We waived the fees and rentals for a full year. We did that with U.S. Airways. We did with continental and with others. Basically, we are planning to put them in Gates six. That is at the end of the concourse. We will have further discussion with them about that. We will do one year of ramp handling services for JetBlue. This is something they ask for. I think they asked for it based on the fact that we do it for Delta and we do a very good job for ramp handling. The hope for us is that we will do a good job again. And after that, they will be a customer ongoing. That is one year, about $300,000. It

could be less. It could be nothing if we time it right. Gate six renovation -- that is basically about $25,000, to fix up the gate, do the cabling and do those kinds of things -- make it usable for them. Ninety day fuel surcharge that came from shell -- normally they charge -- to store the fuel an uplift the fuel. In this case, they will go 90 days, for $50, for JetBlue. One year electricity utility credit. That is about $1000 a month. That will be $12,000 a year and they will begin to pay. Second-year rental credit is $10 her airplane passenger the first year. We are estimating it will be at least 43,000 passengers -- could be more. And that comes out of the space rental. It does not come out of the ride -- ramp rental or the gate rental. What happens with the rentals -- they increase dramatically in the second year. Travel bank -- that is working with the Chamber of Commerce at Daytona Beach. That is 30 businesses that have agreed in writing to put a cash with the chamber. With the chamber will be doing is issuing these businesses -- as a credit card. When they fly on JetBlue, they basically swiped the card and the get a statement each month until funds are spent it. If they don't use it, they lose it. We had tremendous support from the business community in soliciting the support among those 30 businesses. Then we have risk mitigation. That is what risk -- what Rick was talking about. This is basically a one-year dear. Reportedly, they will look at total revenues. And look at the breakeven point. If there is something to be made up, they will look at the $300,000 to do it. That ends after one year.

Let me add that -- this is a good example of the community working together. They were going to present this on like a Monday or Tuesday. Rick called me that Friday afternoon and said they would like to know if we can add this revenue risk mitigation fund and if we can put you guys together for additional money so they can carry that in and make this deal finalized. Rick and I went back and forth of what we thought that should be. It has to be enough to be important. And had to be no more than what we could afford. I made a decision that I thought $300,000 was the right number. I put up $150,000 of our money -- which cannot come out of airport funds. It has to come out of the economic development incentives. There is hardly anything left in there. That would be it. I call John Albright at the private sector. I said, John I need you to match. I will put a hundred 50 if you can do 150, from the private sector. So he would have to go around the get money himself. He said, if you want to do that, I am in. Right on the spot. I told my wanted to get back to JetBlue. We called JetBlue back within about an hour of asking for this and it's almost 300 grant. The wording I got back was that I think that was one more thing that impressed them, that they could turn this around and in our.

In closing, I would like to say that JetBlue is a carrier that has a lot of what I would like to say, pizzazz. It doesn't mean that they are going to JFK -- if you go to Sarasota, each day, they go to JFK but they also go to LaGuardia and Boston. They can do that out of here as well if the market will support it.

One final thing, as you can see, this is a package that will be in the agreement. What I like to show here is -- not only the community effort that went into it, but like most things in life, people think

they oversimplify. That somehow this is just easy to do. This is a this was a complicate a discussion that we have. This is -- I think a really good package and shows our intent. I do think those things make a difference. And we are constantly looking -- we are out there trying to support Steve. I think the community came around. I think it is part of us all working together and all of the things going in this community, and all of the positive stuff happening. On the second sheet, you will see the landing fees. There was some kind of blog or thing in the newspaper that said, -- first of all, I am always amazed. Everybody has an opinion. The more opinionated, the less factual they are. The most amazing thing is, -- get rid of the landing fees and everybody will come here. First of all, that is not true. That can be further from the truth. The landing fees are important to us. But not at the expense of hurting the aviation industry. Last year we collected -- the total amount we collected and landing fees for the whole airport was 395 -- $399,312. That matters to us trying to keep the airport in good shape and keep cost down. But as you can see here, the landing fee is only $1.19. That $1.19, was put on the airport landing fees in 1992. We have not changed. That $1.19, just on inflation alone, today, would be $2.01. For all intensive purposes, we almost cut it to nothing by not increasing it. On the other side of the coin, believe it or not, we have some revenue to run with the airport. So we're very, very and expensive when it comes to landing fees. I want to personally thank my aviation staff -- especially Steve and Rick, for all of the hard work. And I want to thank personally, all of the private sector. And I mean, all of them came to that. Lisa Kennedy, John Albright, all of them came to that and said they were in on this and wanted it to happen. I will tell you that what I have heard back -- in fact, it matters even more in some cases that they came. I think that, being involved in the business community -- number one, they have a better sense of what it takes to do this in the public sector. And number two, they felt that this kind of stuff helps bring us together a they believe we get things done with teamwork. And they all agreed that we work together. Seeing that it did work, has really encouraged people to stay the course -- I really do think they believe -- that they see how this works. Being the County Council -- the ones that are in charge of the airport -- I don't need authority or whatever. This is the authority. We are more nimble on making decisions.

Back in 2000, trying to get these guys -- we knew they were a good fit for the community.

I know you are retiring soon. As a show of Jester, I know the room will be full today. But I would ask my fellow council members, if you can do me one favor. A favor. You deserve it.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

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Thank you for changing our community and giving everyone something positive.

Thanks.

Now that everybody in the whole County office that her this -- standing up, sitting down. Anything else.

That is it. That is all. Thank you, team. We will be bringing back the agreement before it is finished.

Mr. Eckert, any closing comments from the legal side of the house?

No, sir .

Okay.

He started inching up and getting comfortable.

If we have the patience, I could talk a little bit about BJ J. But I'm afraid you're out of patients.

We will have that DJJ discussion in the next meeting, aren't we?

I do want to say this. Senator Bradley asked for a comment within the framework of the bill he is proposing. So I and taking that as a given. Which is a 50/50 split between the states and the counties and the aggregate. He asked for comment that would -- about how to split the counties share of the cost, which currently is based upon usage. However, -- not speaking for you, but I would want you to be aware that if the opportunity for such comment arises, I think we might be better off going to a population basis, versus usage, for a couple reasons. First of all, the data is opaque. Only DJJ has it. And second of all, the days have gone out -- 30% -- 33% in the last year for reasons I can't tell. It only achieves part of the goal that Senator Bradley seeks to achieve, which is a certain system which -year-olds -- which yields a fix to a fixed result without dispute. If we will have to litigate the days versus the other counties, it doesn't achieve that result. Third of all, population -- the notion of usage is based upon the idea that the counties are -- kind of retain responsibility for the juveniles as they go through the system. And I don't know that that is really -- if you say that the counties are contributing to the cost of secured -- across the state, it is a state responsibility. The question becomes how to allocate it. And the data in a system which yields very different results -- leaving you unpredictable budgets from year-to-year, I don't think is a good one. So I am likely -- if the opportunity to comment comes between now -- if the need to comment comes between now and the next meeting, I would say we probably should shift to population. We are being charged for days equivalent to Palm Beach -- nearly equivalent to Palm Beach, which is -- Palm Beach has a million -- they have a demographic of children under age 18, which is about 16%, according to the last census. So I don't think there is any reason to believe that our youth are worse than Palm Beach. I'm just not sure I trust the data. If Senator Bradley's bill is to go

forward, which is a 50/50 split, I would like an allocation method that doesn't leave the counties -- to -- the way this is moving -- the opportunity for such input may be needed before then. The state portion -- obviously the state is funding its portion on sales tax, which is not on a usage basis. So you -- half the budget is based upon the revenues from the -- what the state collects from whatever they are collecting. On one level, it makes sense to me, that you would do -- that you would allocate the County portion on Senator Bradley's bill, based upon the tax base -- kind of a required local effort notion. But I know that Senator Bradley doesn't believe that is feasible. So looking for some other fair method of how to allocate the state responsibility -- we are left to bicker among one another -- I don't think is a good result. Part of how this started off was Hillsboro and canalis, -- canalis -- the cost got shifted to one another. The fight goes on. I'm just commenting to use so that you wouldn't be surprised -- if the opportunity arises. On the other hand, the bill may not go. Senator Bradley, by the way, frankly believes that the money -- the notion of credits -- he says the state does not have the money to pay it. So we have to address it in some other way to address his comments. He has asked for some input within the framework of his bill. I am suggesting that usage yields are widely and wildly varying results. Maybe population is a better way to do it. Or population under the age of 18. I guess some counties think they are disadvantaged by that. I just didn't want you to be surprised if comments like that are made for the next meeting.

How many juveniles do we have going though the system at the state level that we have to pay for?

I don't know that. What I know is that the estimate of days -- which is -- probably above and beyond.

Last year, in 13/14, the revised secure detention cost of the Sid -- estimate give a total of 11,090 days, for Volusia. 2800 of which were predispositions, which is the current test. That was the statutory test. And all of the fights about what is predisposition -- much of the fights [Low Volume].

Isn't there a way to say -

I'm beg your pardon -- I beg your pardon.

Wouldn't it be smarter to say this as a user fee.

Right now the notion is that it is a user fee per -- a user fee. But I don't think you can trust the data. And Palm Beach last year had 11,315 days estimated. So about 3% difference.

Yes.

According to that, we have twice as many bad kids here. I mean, literally.

We don't -- for another reason -- the usage concept is that you, the County, the County Council doesn't control the input into the system. And it will differ from year-to-year. You need a more stable system so that you can budget. Some years, you will maybe pay more toward state expenses. Some years not. This year, in contrast, the total days across the state have gone down from 310,000, estimated, to 293,000. Yet your estimate of days have gone from -- 11,098, to to 2991. -- to 15,991. Palm Beach is up --

That would be like 40 kids.

That puts us in the vicinity -- the County I grew up then, which is 900,000 -- the estimate for them is 16,949.

You are talking about 40 or 50 kids that are in the system. I'm just dividing those days by 365. So you have like 40 or 50 kids every year and not system. How much are we paying them every year?

Because last year we were billed $77,000 a month. This year we are being billed $250,000 a month. That is a lot for 40 kids. That is a lot for 100 kids.

I don't know what the number of children are. That is part of the problem -- that the data is okay -- opaque.

I would be more comfortable knowing how many bodies. Thank you. Anything from anybody else.

The next meeting is March 5 at 8:30, public participation at 8:00.

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That looks right. That clock is right.

I have tried to get them to fix that.

Unless there are any objections, we are adjourned until March 5, 9:00 a.m.

Hilson .

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