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Interview of Donald Rum sfeld

Assumedduties as Secretary of Defense on January 20,2001

I. General Themes

A. What is the role o f CT in U nited Statesdefense policy?1. Mission: what is the CT mission withinOSD/DoD?

i. Related questions: wh at were the pending military plans orproposals regardingUBL and A-Q inAfghan istan (forexample, TLAMS),the various modificationsto plans,proposals for response to the USS Cole attack, and associatedissues regardingthe Cole attack (we recognize the Cole tookplace prior to his assuming dutiesat Defense)? Do you recallplans developed in CENTC OM (INFIN ITERESOLVE)?

1. Do you recall hearing aboutthe Shelton 13 options orthe Newbold com prehensiveplan, both developed inlate 2000?

2. Wh at was your assessment of who was responsible forthe USS Cole attacks? When wereyou informed that UBLwas responsiblefor the attacks? Do you recall anydiscussions regard ing a possible retaliation for the attacks?If not, why were there no considerations for a retaliatorystrike? W as there a deliberate decision not to attack or wasthis an inadvertent action on the part of the new

administration? Were there concerns about amajor attackon the U.S. if the U.S. retaliated for the C ole?

ii. What did you know aboutthese plans? What briefingstookplace on these plans? How were these plans conveyedto theleadership within OSD? To the President? To the NationalSecurity Advisor?

iii. How does the DoD CT missionfigure into defensetransformation? Wh at new capacities should be built? Whenwas this need for transformation recognized?

iv. Prov ide your assessment of the role of DoD in defense of thehom e against terrorist attacks, includin g responsibility forNORAD.

B. Wh at is the role of Secretary ofDefense in United States CT policyformulation?

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1. Wh en attending PC or other NSC meetings, w hat was the standardoperating proceduresfor memorializingthe conclusions reachedat thesemeetings?

C. Provide informationon your interactions withkey offices inOSD/DoD /Combatant Comm ands in the development of related to C T policy

formulationand operations planning.

1. DSD, USD /P, ASD SO/LIC, CJCS, J3,GENICOM, SOCOM andJSOC

II. Priority of CT within O SD, including during the transition

A. At the time you assumedoffice in OSD in 2001, what were the m ostsignificant threats to the U.S. national security?

B. Where did counter terrorismfall in that list of threats?

C. Did you receive a transition briefing w henyou assumed office in January2001?

a. Who briefed? Who else attended the briefing?b. Do you recall what issues were d iscussed?Was counter terrorismon e

of the issues briefed? What priority was given to CT?

D. Accordingto Benjaminand Simon, when Rumsfeldand Wolfowitz cametooffice, their focuswas missile defenseand military restructuring. Rumsfeld'sattention was on m ilitary doctrine, including existing gu idance that USforcesneeded to be able to fight twowars.

a. Please comment.

E. Also according to Benjamin and Simon, the last year of the Clintonadministration, the JSC began developinga project they plannedto launch in2001. However, when they w ere briefed,the Pentagon's new leadership killedtheproject.

a. Please comment.

III. Intelligence Support to the Warfighter

A. How would you define "actionable intelligence?"

B. Provide an assessment of the intelligence provided to DoD to support plansfor a CT operation against UBL and A-Q in Afgh anistan prior to 9-11.

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IV : The CSG

A. What was your view of the role of the CSG in CT policy prior to9-11?1. Was it an effective interagency mechanismfor USG CT efforts?

B. Do you recall how decisions m ade in the CSG were integrated into the PCdecision making process?

C. Did OSD and DoD trust the decision making process w ithin the CSG?

D. What are your views of Richard C larke who ch aired the CSG in his capacityas National Coordinatorfor Counter T errorism?

V: The Role of the Military in CT

A. What was your position priorto 9-11 about the use ofmilitary force inAfghanistan (including SOFs, larger conventionalforce, cruise missiles,etc.)?

B. Was itpossible for the military to have a more aggressive position priorto 9-11?

C. What were som eof the limitations on the use ofmilitary operationsinAfghanistan pre 9-11? Please b e specific (e.g., collateral dam age, lack ofpublic support, problem s with actionable intelligence, diplomatic issues withPakistan and Uzbekistan, CT was a law enforcem ent mission, limits imposedby the NCA, no search and rescue capabilities for SOFs, etc)

D. Was the military too focusedon force protection and anti-terrorism rather thanon more offensive actions?

E. On June21-22, 2001,the Pentagon placed USforces in six countries onTHREATCON Delta; The Fifth Fleet was put out to sea in Bahrain; NavyMinesweeping Shipsin Bahrain ordered backto sea inresponse to "credibleterrorist threat" info rma tion. Please provide detailson the decision makingprocess leadingto these actions.

VI:The

PredatorA. What advantages would the Predator provide to the military in Afghanistan pre-

9/11?

B. What role did you play in the decision making on the various issues ofcontention in 2001 regarding the use of an armed Predator?



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C. What was your position on the outstanding issues (funding, C2, OSD oversightresponsibility) under debate regarding the use of an armed Predator?

D. Do you have any knowledge of the May 25, 2001 Table Top Exercise on theweaponized Predator?

E. How did the use of the Predator, armed or without the Hellfire missile, fit intoCT policy?

VII: M ilitary to Military Contacts

A. How did military to military contacts with representatives from relevantcountries (e.g., Pakistan) support the overall DoD CT m ission?

a. How did it support the overall USG CT mission?

B. Please describe some of your contacts and how yo u believe those contactssupported the fight against terrorism.

C. Should the USG and DoD have promoted more mil-to-milcontact withcountries like India, Pakistan and Uzbekistan?

VIII: Homeland Defense and Homeland Security

A. Do you recall an y discussion aboutthe establishmentof a command withintheU.S. for hom eland defense prior to9-11?

B. To what extend did you begin to think about homeland security prior to9-11?1. See referenceto Quadrennial Defense Reviewin the Wolfowitz MFR.

2. In his historical interview Ru msfeld was asked the following questions:Q: To what extent had you begun to think abo ut homeland security priorto 9-11?A: W e had been engaged in what was called the Quadrennial DefenseReview. So, well, prior to September11 we had been talking about thedefense of the homeland and discussing how we were going to be able todeal with that problem. W e had elevated it to the top of our priority list.

Q: Did the QDR change very muchafter September 11?A: Because of all of the concerns we had about intelligence and abouthomeland defense, I suppose it didn't change as much as one might think.I hope that September11 informed it in some ways.I don't remember thetiming.



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IX: Immediate Response and the AttacksTeam 8 Input

See Binde r, Section VI.

X. Decision to go to WarA. What were the policy choices that were debatedand that ultimatelyled to the

NCA decision to go to w ar?

C. What were the competing issues?

D. The military appearedto have no plans for a large operation in Afghanistan.Any comm ents to this (see "Bush at W ar")

XI: Team 2 Questions

A. Who isresponsible for the search for UBL? CIA?Defense Special Forces?How is that going today?

B. Are you confident that Pakistan and A fghanistan are willing to make the toughchoices to fight A-Q in themonths and years ahead?Are they too fragile torely upon?

C. On what basis haveyou supported increasedfunding for intelligence? Whatisthe strategy? How does this strategy fit into the larger Government-wideefforts to fight the war on terrorism?

D. Are you satisfied w ith the quality of the intelligence you receive? Is the, quality of the analysis up to yourstandards? Are you satisfied with the quality

of national intelligence supportthe Department receivesfrom the DCI?

E. What problem were you trying to resolve by establishing the new position ofUnder Secretary of Defense for Intelligence? What role doeshis office play inthe management and oversight of Defense Intelligence?

XII: Questions Based on Secretary Rumsfeld's Memorandumand Final Questions

A. Is DoD winning the global war on terrorism (GWO T)?1. Is DoD changing fast enough to fight the GWOT?2. How is success in the GW OT measured? What are the metrics by whichsuccess is measured?



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B. What are some of the specific changes that have taken place within OSD(policy formulation and structure) in its effort to win the GWOT?

a. What other changes are needed to better fight the GWOT?

C. Please provide information on your statement on September 9,2001 that

you would suggest a POUTS veto when the Senate Armed ServicesCommittee tries to divert $600 million from NMD to DoD's CT budget.Source: Washington Post article

D. We have heard in prior interviews that the office of ASD SO/LIC is notadequately staffed to address with the GWOT. Can you comment on thisstatement?

E. Both you and President Bush have discussed the defense transformationthat iscentral to winning the Global War on Terrorism. In January 2002, yououtlined six key transformational goals in a Speech at the National Defense

University. General Myers stated that his goal is to foster changes that resultin a dramatic improvement over time in the way a combatant commanderwages war. Please update us on how this is progressing.

F. Does the U.S. have a broad, integrated and comprehensive plan to combatterrorism? Are the various instruments working well together (diplomacy,intelligence, military, financial, etc)

G. Describe the adequacy of intelligence provided today to the warfighter? Has itimproved since 9-11? If so, in what ways?

H. Assess the role of the Predator in war in Afghanistan post 9-11.

I. Provide an assessment of joint CT operations between the CIA and SOFs post9-11.

a. Should there be a joint force of CIA paramilitary and SOFs rather thantwo separate entities to combat terrorism?

J. Discuss the role of NORTHCOM, its subordinate commands and the newAssistant Secretary of Defense for Homeland Defense in CT efforts within theUS.

a. provide an assessment of OSD relations with the Department of

Homeland Security.

K. Discuss the decision making process leading to the establishment of SOCOMas a supported command in the GWOT.

L. What role can the military play in winning the hearts and minds of those whomight one day become our enemies?

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M. Lessons learned

N. Recommendations

O. What shouldwe have asked?

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Mike Hurley

From: Dan Leopold

Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 4:21 PM

To: Team 2; Team 3; Front Office; Nora Coulter; Jutta Freyer Price

Cc: Karen Heitkotter

Subject: Rumsfeld interview

All:

As you know , the Rum sfeld interview isfrom 2-4 p.m. tomorrow . I just found out that the interview will be held inroom 3E928. The attendees from DoD in addition to R umsfeld will be as follows:

Steve Cambone (and possibly his military assistant)Larry DiRitaWilliam Haynes (General Counsel)General Braddock (possibly?)

As far as the Commission attendees, I have the following people:

Vice Chair HamiltonCommissioner Ben-VenisteMike HurleySteve DunneBonnie JenkinsPhilip ZelikowKevin ScheidChris Kojm

Karen is currently arranging van service to pick everyone up and take them to the Pentagon's River Entrance.She will besending around an email when the transportation plans are finalized.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,

Dan Leopold

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Mike Hurley

From: Kevin Scheid

Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 7:05 PM

To: Front Office

Cc: Team 2; Team 3

Subject: Suggested Intel-related que stionsfo r Secretary Rum sfeld

Front Office:

Th e following suggested questionsare for Secretary Rum sfeldfrom Team 2. They seek to provide some insightsinto Intel-related Commission issues:

Wh o is responsible for the search for UBL? CIA? Defe nse Special Forces? How's it going?

Are youconfide nt that Pakistanand Afghanistanare willingto make the tough choices to fight alQa'ida in the months an d years ahead? Are they too fragileto rely upon?

O n what basis have yo u supported increased fundingfor intelligence? What'sthe strategy? How

does this strategy fit into the larger Governm ent-wideefforts to fightthe war on terrorism? Are yousatisfied withthe quality of the intelligenceyo u receive? Is the quality of the analysis up to

your standards? Are you satisfied with the quality of thenational intelligence support the Departmentreceives from the DCI?

What problem w ereyo u tryingto solve by establishing the new position of Undersecretary of Defensefor Intelligence? Wha t role doeshis office play in the management and oversight of Defenseintelligence?

How do you judge the effectiveness of the Department's counterterrorism efforts?

KJS

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