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NEADS SPECIFIC QUESTIONS TO ANSWER

BACKGROUND ISSUES(1) NORAD's Mission: Recognizing that the officers at NEADS are probably notthe people whodetermine - either pre or post 9/11 - NORAD's mission, probewith each of them their own personal understanding of NORAD's mission before9/11. Here we want to accomplish two things: (1) test the accuracy of thestatement "Prior to 9/11, NORAD was only looking out" (as you know, I questionwhether that is entirely true), and (2) assuming the statement is true, WHY was ittrue? Remember, we have to provide the American people with some insightand explanation as to why NORAD was totally facing outward, given the threatsthat existed.(2) Radar Coverage: From a technical standpoint, understand the state of radarcapabilities at NEADS - pre 9/11. Specifically, how far "in" could the officers atNEADS "see"? What capability, if any, was there to view the same radar feedsthat FAA controllers were seeing? Understand their equipment and its limitationspre 9/11 !n Understand what finding a primary target by using a "Z point" entails.(NEADS Transcript 078)(3) Training - Hijack Exercises: Understand the full extent of NEADSparticipation in, and conception of, exercise scenarios involving hijacked airliners- pre 9/11. Understand the hijack protocols pre 9/11.(4) Training - Relationship with FAA: Probe the relationship between NORADand FAA pre 9/11. On what occasions did they interact? What were thecircumstances? What points of contact did NEADS have at the FAA? What wasthe role of NORAD liaisons to FAA and visa versa?(5) NEADS Command and Control Structure: Develop an understanding ofthe various players and their roles on 9/11; probe howinformation regarding therapidly changing situation was passed among NEADS personnel on 9/11.(6) Interaction/relationship between NEADS, CONR & NORAD HQ:Understand, from NEADS perspective, the role of CONR and NORAD HQ on9/11.(8) Air Alert Positioning Pre 9/11: Understand ho w many assets at whichbases were on alert prior to 9/11. Answer the question why couldn't NORADdraw on assets closer to the hijacked cities, even though they weren't a part ofthe alert structure.


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Focus on coverage of D.C. - whywasn't Andrews analert facility asopposed to Langley?OPERATIONS ON 9/11

(X ) Notification 11: Official NORAD timeline cites 0840 as time of notification;NEADS transcript records time as 0837; other FAA source? Nail down exacttime and substance of notification.(X ) Otis Scramble: Why did NEADS vector the Otis fighters over the ocean andpark them inWhiskey - rather than sending them directly to NYC?

Focus on the issue of whether the Otis fighters could haveintercepted 175, had NEADS directed them straight to the City?(X) Resurrection of Flight 11: Where did this originate? Why did NEADS thinkthat AA 11 was heading toward D.C.? What was NEADS seeing/referring to?(X ) Shoot Down Order: Precisely when and how was the authority passed toNEADS? What was the source?(X ) ROE: Determine the understanding of each facility (NEADS, CONR) as wellas the understanding of individual officials of ROEs in effect that day.

a. NORAD: When did they learn and how disseminateb. Critical to understand from the pilots what they believed the ROEswere at specific times. [NB: Look for Otis tapes on this; what aboutLangley???]c. Fighters from Andrews - this understanding that D.C. was a "weaponsfree zone" - what does that mean in terms of ROE? DANA TRACK

(X) Communications with FAA: Was anyone at NEADS on an openconference with anyone at the FAA? If so, who and at what time?(X ) Andrews Fighters: NEADS knowledge of and control (if any) of fightersscrambled from Andrews.(X ) Chat Log vs. Tape Recordings: Understand the distinction between thesetwo types of communications; why are there no tape recordings from CONR orNORAD HQ - similar to what we have from NEADS? Are there other taperecordings from NEADS? What about the Battle Cab?(X) Selfridge Fighters: Answer the question whether NORAD would have hadthe assets in position to shoot down 93?


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(X) Langley Fighters: Understand (1) Original routing and coordinates given topilots; (2) how, when and why that changed, and (3) speed requirements.

(X ) SCRAMBLES: For Otis, Langley, Toledo & Selfridge, understand the precisedetails of the following:(1) Heading and coordinates given to the pilots on launch; who controlledthe pilots from each base - NEADS or FAA - and who specifically atthose facilities? What was the mission?

Otis Issues: Situational awareness of 11; id techs still trying tolocate primary target. Planes airborne for 4-5 minutes then order tochange course. WHY change? What was the consequence?Langley Issues: What was the target for which these fighters werelaunched? SHOW DOCS AND CONFRONT WITH TESTIMONYFROM HEARING AND NEADS TRANSCRIPT

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REPORT POSSIBLE HIJACK:Plane to D.C.AmericanTail number that is 11Statement about the first one still being airborneLaunch Langley (9:24-9:33)to Baltimore to cut off plane moving south to D.C.somewhere in this comes real knowledge (9:33) from Dulles Tower (my godplane to D.C.); very quick order to redirect Langley fighters to D.C. - arrived aftercrash

(X ) Lat/Lon vs. Vortex Markers: FAA and NORAD speak different languages.NORAD could not get a fix on the hijacked aircraft because FAA was passingalong Vortex geographic markers and


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(2) Did anyone at Indy contact NORAD or the military?(3) Exactly what steps did Indy controllers take to try and determine the fate ofFlight 77? Why did no one "see" the primary target that was 77when itreemerged on radar at 0910?(4 ) What notifications were made to whom and when?(5 ) Wh at was the m iscomm unication that led to the "confirmation" of Flight77 down over Ashland, Kentucky?

- Didanyone at Indy know orsuspect that the hit at the Pentagonwas Flight 77?(6 ) When did Indy receive confirmation that Flight 77 had hit the Pentagon?(7) W hy did all the controllers amend their statements?GENERAL "POLLING" QUESTIONS(1) On 9/11, was the controller awa re of the potential for a suicide hijackingscenario,? To your know ledge, were others in the FAA aware of thepotential for a suicide hijacking scenario?(2 ) On 9/11, what type of exercises - sponsored byeither FA A, FEMA, DoD,or some combination thereof- related to hijackings had the controller everparticipated in?(3 ) On 9/11, how wou ld a controller have detected a hijack situation?(4) On 9/11, what p rocedures would a controller have followed in a hijacksituation?(5) On 9/11, was the controller familiar with NORAD? If so, how wouldhe/she have contacted NORAD and under wha t circumstances?


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INTERVIEW OUTLINEI. Introduction of Commission

Who are we? The September 11 Commission is an independent,bipartisan Commission created by Congress and the President toinvestigate the facts and circumstances surrounding the 9-11 attacksand make recommendations to prevent and prepare for future terroristattacks. There are 10 Commissioners, 5 Republicans and 5Democrats, and a professional staff of about 50 people. The staff isdivided into different teams that areexamining different issues - forexample, there is a team that is concentrating just on immigrationissues, there's a team that is examining terrorist financing - how thehijackers got their money - and there is a team that is lookingtheintelligence issues at the FBI & CIA.We are part of the team that will be writing the story of what happenedon 9/11 - for example, what happened on the planes, what did themilitary\NORAD do in response, what did the FAA do, and what thefirst responders - police and fire fighters - did on9/11. We are to tellthe story of what worked and what didn't work. Our report is due tocome out at the end of next May. Hopefully it will accomplish at leasttwo things: (1) first, it will get the facts straight; that is, the Commissionwill write the definitive story of what happened on 9/11; and (2) it willmake thoughtful recommendationson how we as a nation can avoidthis type of tragedy again.Why do we want to talk to you? Our team will be interviewingvirtually every person who was directly involved with the hijackedaircraft on 9-11. So within the FAA that means all the air trafficcontrollers, supervisors, administrators at the ROCs, people at theCommand Center and those at Headquarterswho were involved withthe crisis on 9/11. In addition, we will be going out to NORAD, talkingto the pilots, the controllers, and the other military personnel who wereengaged in the air defense response that day. Soyou're notalone -we are by no means singling ou t this Center for attention.What kinds of questions will we be asking? Well, I have had achance to read the personnel statement you filled out after 9/11 andreview the transcript of the ATC recordings that day. So I will probablyask you some questions about each of those. In addition, I amveryinterested in hearing your thoughts onworked well on 9/11 - in termsof your Center - andwhat didn't work as well. Finally, we areinterested in your thoughts and recommendations about the changesthat have been made since 9/11, and what more you think needs to bedone.


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Let me emphasize that we are not investigating you personally, we arenot prosecuting anybody. Our policy is to tape interviews because as Isaid, we are trying to ensure that what we write is factually correct, andwe have to interview hundreds of people.Now, before we start let me ask if you any questions about what I saidor about what we're doing here today. Also, as a preliminary matterlet me ask did anyone discuss the subject matter of today's interviewwith you prior to today? If so, who? Did anyone at the FAA orelsewhere instruct you not to discuss or to discuss certain subjectmatters today? If so, who? What subject matters?

II. Employee BackgroundTell me a little bit about your background (e.g., how long you've been acontroller, how long with FAA, what positions, etc.)

III. Job Description (General)(1) On 9/11 how would you have described your duties and responsibilitiesas a controller?

How many aircraft do you typically handle in a day? In a morning?How is your Center organized? Role of supervisors/managers?Role of Radar Associate?Explain the process whereby Positions are assigned to controllersand controllers relieve one another of Positions.How/when do you interact with the airlines?How/when do you interact with the Command Center? With HQ?

(2) How have those responsibilities changed since 9/11?(May want to address later in interview)(3) From a technical standpoint, explain to me what information you'reseeing when you look at your scope.

What information is typically displayed in the data block? Dodifferent controllers have different settings or is the displayconsistent throughout a facility?


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Mode 3 = beacon = transponder? Difference between flight numberand Mode 3? When and why would a controller ask an aircraft tosquawk a different Mode 3?What does it mean to say an aircraft has gone into "coast"? Is thatthe same as saying an aircraft is a primary target?How do you know when an aircraft deviates from its authorizedcourse? Does the data block start to blink or something?What controls do you have to change/alter the format of thedisplay? (i.e. query data for more info)Who else - within FAA or elsewhere -is seeing this sameinformation? Can other AR TCC /TRACO N/AT CT facilities or theCommand Center also see this data? Will it be displayeddifferently?Describe to me what happens when there is a technical failure andyou lose data display. Does this happen for individual flightinformation of wou ld the whole system go down? Describe othercircumstances where you may lose flight tracking data.What capabilities, if any, do you have to determine the altitude andspeed of an aircraft in the absence of a transponder signal? Wouldother controllers in the system (i.e. TRACON controllers) be able todiscern altitude from their display?

IV . Training & Procedures Related to HijackingsProcedures on 9/11(1) If you can think back to what you knew on 9/11, versus what you knownow, at that time what was your understanding of the procedures youwere to follow in a hijack situation? What was your understanding of theprotocol for hijackings?(2) How did you know that this was the protocol? Where was it writtendown? Was this subject "taught" or included as part of your training?Please describe your training on this issue.(3) On 9/11, what were the manuals/documents you would have turned tofor guidance in a crisis? Where would these documents have beenlocated? On 9/11, to your knowledge did anyone refer to these manualsfor instruction?(4) On 9/11, how would you have detected a hijacking situation?


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Nordo AircraftPrior to 9/11, what did you do if an aircraft was not communicatingwith an FAA facility? What was the SO P? Where was thatprocedure written down ?Prior to 9-11, how often would you lose radio contact with anaircraft? What are the reasons why you would lose contact with anaircraft? (e.g. mechanical failure)Prior to 9-11, what is the longest passage of time that you lost radiocontact with a commercial aircraft? Wha t is the longest time one ofyour colleagues has lost radio contact with a commercial aircraft?Non-Transponding A ircraftPrior to 9-11, what would you have done if an aircraft stoppedtransmitting its transponder code? [Understand as a technicalmatter how he/she would know that is what had occurred]Prior to 9-11, how often would you lose the transponder signal (i.e.,mode three code) of a commercial aircraft? How often was the lossof transponder signal attributable to mechanical or technicalfailures?Was there any mechanical device or method to determine thealtitude of a commercial aircraft that is NORDO with no transpondersignal? What about the speed of such an aircraft? The direction?Prior to 9-11, in your handling of commercial aircraft, what is thelongest period of time that an aircraft has been without atransponder signal? If you are aware, what is the longest period oftime during which one of your colleagues has handled acomm ercial aircraft with no transponder signal?Course DeviationPrior to 9-11, what was F AA SOP for handling a commercial aircraftthat deviated slightly from its intended course? About how oftenwould this occur?What about an aircraft that deviated substantially from its intendedcourse? How often did this happen? Prior to 9-11, how manytimes have you handled a com mercial aircraft that deviatedsubstantially from its intended course? What were the reasons forthe aircraft's deviation?


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V.

Prior to 9-11, how many times have you handled a commercialaircraft that deviated substantially from its intended course and wasNORDO? What were the circumstances that caused such events?Prior to 9-11, how many times had you handled a commercialaircraft that deviated substantially from its intended course, wasNORDO and without a transponder signal? What were thecircumstances that caused such events?

Procedures Post 9/11(1) What is your understanding today of the procedures to follow in ahijacking situation?Exercises(1) On9/11, what type of exercises - sponsored byeither FAA, FEMA,DoD, or some combination thereof- related to hijackings had you everparticipated in? If you have never participated in an exercise involving ahijack scenario, are you aware of others who have?(2) Prior to 9/11, had you heard of or were you aware that others withinFAA were aware of the potential for a suicide hijacking scenario?(3) What is your understanding of the SCATANA procedure? Have youever participated in a SCATANA exercise?Events of 9/11(1) Describe in your own words what happened in this Center on 9/11.(2) REFER TO SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR EACH CONTROLLER(3) General Areas to CoverSituational Awareness on 9\11(1) What specifically did you know about other aircraft that were hijackedand/or had hit the WTC in NY? Who told you this information? Can youplace when you knew this information?(2) Did any o f the controllers involved with 77 know or suspect that theaircraft that hit the Pentagon was Flight 77?Contacts\familiaritv with NORAD(1) On 9/11, were you familiar with NORAD? What was yourunderstanding of the role NORAD was to play in a hijacking?


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77 SPECIFIC NOTES

John Thomas (DJH)Operations Manager0855-0900: Informed of explosion at WTC; from picture looked like maybe aplane

(1) DID YOU HAVE VOLUME ON THE TV? (ANNOUNCERS WERESAYING PLANE HAD HIT)0900: Walked over to air traffic manager - interrupted by ops supervisorwhosaid AA77 Nordo; during conversation people shouted they had observed anaircraft crash into second tower. (Get exact time from CNN tapes)

(2) WHO WAS THE OPS SUPERVISOR WHO INFORMED YOU? WHATEXACTLY DID HE/SHE SAY? WERE YOU ADVISED THAT 77 HADSTARTED A TURN (OR "SOUTHWESTERLY HEADING") BEFORE ITWENT INTO COAST?Told supervisor to make calls forward along route of flight to block airspace0903-0910: Selected "All Primary" button on scope to see if there were anyprimary targets

(3) EXPLAIN ALL PRIMARY BUTTON.Note: Transponders must fail occasionally (or perhaps more often) - ifnot, why would first action be to look at primary targets?(4) WHAT DIRECTION WERE YO U LOOKING FO R PRIMARYTARGETS?(5) DID YOU SEARCH FO R PRIMARY TARGETS AFTER 0910? IFNOT, WHY NOT?(6) DID YOU ASSIGN OTHER CONTROLLERS TO CONTINUELOOKING ON PRIMARY?(7) WHAT ARE THE RANGE OF POSSIBLE REASONS A PLANEWOULD DISAPPEAR FROM RADAR?(8) IS THERE ANY WAY FOR A PLANE TO PURPOSEFULLY "MASK"ITSELF FROM PRIMARY RADAR - IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEHIJACKERS HAD TRIED TO DISAPPEAR FROM RADAR

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ALTOGETHER, AS OCCURRED WITH FLIGHT 77, COULD THEY HAVEDONE IT?(9) IS THE AREA OVER WHICH 77 DISAPPEARED, AN AREA KNOWNTO HAVE WEAK RADAR COVERAGE? HAVE PLANES DISAPPEAREDFROM THERE BEFORE? IF SO, GIVE DETAILS AND EXPLAIN HOWOFTEN.

0905: Paged ZID-505 to request help gathering voice recording and NTAP data(10) WHAT IS NTAP DATA? WHAT WILL THIS INFORMATION TELLYOU?

0905: Told air traffic manager to call Command Center - said that in light of NY tcould be a hijack.0910: I called AGL; lost radar and voice communications with AAL77; AA hadreported that another aircraft had been hijacked

(11) HOW DID YOU KNOW AA HAD ADVISED THAT THEY HADANOTHER AIRCRAFT HIJACKED?(12) DID YOU TELL ROC YOUR SUSPICION (ABOVE) THAT 77 MAYBE HIJACKED?(13) WHAT WAS YOUR UNDERSTANDING THE ROC WAS GOING TODO WITH YOUR INFORMATION?(14) WHY DID YOU NOTIFY COMMAND CENTER BEFORE ROC? WHONOTIFIED THE COMMAND CENTER?(15) WAS THERE ANY MENTION OF THE MILITARY OR NORAD? DIDYOU HAVE A MILITARY SPECIALIST? WHAT ABOUT USING HIM TOMAKE CONTACT?

0910-0915: Asked TMU personnel to call AF search & rescue and advise ofmissing aircraft0915: Called West Va State Police to advise of missing aircraft0920 -0925: Called ZAU Operations Manager to advise of growing conce rn thatAAL77 may have been hijacked and he should be on lookout - "My own thoughtswere concerned with Sears Tower"

(16) WHAT DIRECTION DID YOU THINK 77 WAS HEADING?

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(17) WERE YO U STILL LOOKING FOR IT ON RADAR?(18) DID YOU THINK TO ALERT OTHER CENTERS WITH SAMEMESSAGE?

0940: Notified the Pentagon had been hit(19) WHO TOLD YOU?(20) DID YOU THINK IT WAS 77 THAT HIT IT?(21) WERE YOUR EMPLOYEES STILL LOOKING FOR 77 AT THATTIME?

MISCELLANEOUS(1) WHY DID YOU AMEND YOUR STATEMENT ON 5/07/02?(2) SEARCH& RESCUE STORY: EXPLAIN YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THESERIES OF EVENTS THAT LED UP TO THE FALSE REPORT THAT A PLANEWAS DOWN OVER THE KENTUCKY BORDER.(3) NORAD QUESTIONS - HIT HARD(4) NOTIFICATION CHECK LIST: ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE FAA FORMENTITLED "FACILITY ACCIDENT/INCIDENT NOTIFICATION RECORD"?

EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS. IS THIS SUPPOSE TO BE SOMETHING THATIS FILLED IN CONTEMPORANEOUS TO THE INCIDENT ORAFTERWARD? IN OTHER WORDS, IS IT A WORKING CHECKLIST TORUN THROUGH IN AN EMERGENCY?DID THIS FACILITY COMPLETE THIS FORM ON 9/11? IF NOT, DID IDFOLLOW SO ME OTHER PROCEDURE?DID YOU OR OTHERS AT THIS FACILITY NOTIFY THE WOCDIRECTLY?

(5) AS A MANAGER OF THIS FACILITY, DID YOU INSTITUTE ANY CHANGESAFTER 9/11 (ASIDE FROM THE OVERRALL FAA CHANGES)(6) AFTER ACTION REPORTS: TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, DID ANYONE INAIR TRAFFIC CONTROL - EITHER AT THE ROC OR AT HEADQUARTERSOR ANOTHER SENIOR LEVEL, EVER DO ANY SORT OF WRITE UP WHICHASSESSED THE ATC ACTIONS ON 9/11 ?

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(7) WHAT DOCUMENTS, IF ANY, DID YOU PREPARE AFTER 9/11 RELATEDTO THE EVENTS OF THAT DAY?(8) DAILY RECORD OF FACILITY OPERATIONS: WE HAVE TWO, AREA 3AND "E DESK" - ARE THERE OTHERS? NOENTRIES ABOUT OTHERHIJACKINGS, VERY LITTLE ABOUT 77 -(9) NEADS LOGENTRY - NOTIFICATION AT 0924: WERE YOU ASKEDABOUT THIS ENTRY? WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE SOURCE OF IT?(10) AIRCRAFT ACCIDENT/INCIDENT PRELIMINARY NOTICE: SHOW 93DOCUMENT - WASSOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS PREPARED FOR 77?(11) CERTIFICATION: WHY DID KATHRYN HUGHES PREPARE AND SIGNTH E INDEX OF MATERIALS FOR THE ACCIDENT REPORT?(12) WHEN WERE YOU ASKED TO PULL TOGETHER ALL DOCUMENTS ANDTAPES RELATED TO 77? WHO DID THEY GO TO?(13) CONFERENCE WITH COMMAND CENTER: WHO WOULD HAVE BEENON IT FROM INDY?Linda Marie Povinelli (DJH)Operations SupervisorPaged while in Supervisor's Office (HER OFFICE OR ANOTHERSUPERVISOR?); Spoke to John Thomas who said aircraft lost radar andfrequency; Returned toArea 3 operations immediately; CIC - Dick Byard -briefed on lost radar and radio contact

(1) WHAT DID BYARD TELL YOU ABOUT FLIGHT 77? DIRECTION ITWAS HEADING?(2) WHAT DID THOMAS DIRECT YOU TO DO?(3) WHAT DID YOU KNOW AT THIS POINT ABOUT OTHER HIJACKEDAIRCRAFT AND/OR HITS ON WTC? FROM WHOM?(4) WAS THERE A TELEVISION ANYWHERE AROUND YOU?

0900: (or"sometime shortly thereafter") - called military opsspecialist (KevinSchott) and asked him to call search and rescue(5) WHY WAS YOUR FIRST CALL TO SEARCH AND RESCUE?

0903: called AAL dispatch and talked to Jim McDonald; will get back

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(6) DID MCDONALD TELL YOU HE WAS ALSO SPEAKING TO HNN RA(SCHIFANO)?(7) HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU PLACED THIS CALL AT 0903? HOWDO YOU KNOW SPECIFICS OF OTHER TIMES?

0907: Called LEX APCH (??) to search for extra beacon codes; on hold; hung up(8) WHAT IS THIS A REFERENCE TO?

0914: ("either before or right after") - received return call from McDonald; saidanother plane hijacked and hit WTC; "he thought AAL77 had also been done assuch." "I recall stating that there had not been sufficient time for that to occurwhy AAL77 and that we were still looking for them."(9) SITUATIONAL AWARENESS: WHAT DID YOU KNOW ABOUTOTHER HIJACKINGS/WTC HITS BEFORE THIS TIME?(10) WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THE LAST SENTENCE - NOTSUFFICIENT TIME FOR THAT TO OCCUR?

0914: Called ZDC to coordinate routes for aircraft eastbound; terminated callwhen heard AAL 77 on guard frequency. It was AAL683 trying to raise AAL77.0916: Called ZDCagain; realized I had incorrect area; tried again; shared that wehad lost AAL77, trying to track down, "I requested that should AAL77 orsomething come up on AAL77 with ZDC, please let us know as we had notconfirmed what had happened yet."

(11) WHY ARE YOU CALLING ZDC TO ALERT THEM TO LOOK OUTFOR 77? WHY NOT OTHER CENTERS? [MUST HAVE THOUGHTAIRCRAFT WAS HEADING BACK TO DC]Interspersed were tasks for all Area 3 controllers to look for AAL77's beacon,then to look for a hijack code, then primary targets.

(12) WHO WERE THE AREA 3 CONTROLLERS? WHAT EXACTLYWERE THE INSTRUCTIONS YOU GAVE? WHERE WERE THEYLOOKING FOR PRIMARY TARGETS?(13) WERE YOU CHECKING RADAR TO SEE IF 77 CAME UP AS APRIMARY TARGET? DID YOU INSTRUCT OTHERS TO BE CHECKINGRADAR?

Clearing all aircraft to the nearest feasible airport to land

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Checking on HNN Sector Team and getting staff relief for their positions[DJH: STILL LOOKING FORTHEM - 2 POSSIBLITIES; EITHER UP INTHE AIR NOT TRANSPONDING OR CRASHED

1. SEARCHING FOR PRIMARY TRACKS2. CALLING OTHER CENTERS3. CALLING SEARCH AND RESCUE]Steve Lutomski (JF) - Search andRescueSupervisor of Traffic Management CoordinatorsSally Weed (JF)Support Manager for OperationsKevin Schott (JF)Traffic Management CoordinatorAnthony Schifano (DJH)Henderson Radar AssociateConversation at beginning of transcript with DAC RA (Theresa Adams) aboutscreens

(1) WHAT WAS CONVERSATION ABOUT WITH DAC RA ATBEGINNING OF TRANSCRIPT?(2) WHERE WERE YOU LOCATED IN RELATION TO THEHENDERSON CONTROLLER? WAS THE HENDERSON CONTROLLERRUDY GAYDE OR CHARLES THOMAS WHEN THESE EVENTS WEREOCCURRING?

0850: 77 Cleared to Falmouth"I observed the aircraft starting a southwesterly heading and the aircraft went intocoast track."

(3) WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO GO INTO "COAST TRACK"? HOW DOESTHAT DIFFER FROM GOING TO A PRIMARY TARGET?(4) WAS THE "SOUTHWESTERLY HEADING" A DEVIATION FROMFLIGHT PATH? DID IT LOOK TO YOU LIKE 77 WAS STARTING ATURN BEFORE IT WENT INTO COAST?

0856-0858: Tried to call flight but no response

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Statement: Looked for primary target(5 } HOW LONG DID YOU CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE SCOPE FORPRIMARY TARGETS? WHERE WERE YOU LOOKING?

QB5B : Calls AADispatch - JimMcDonnell - asks him to try andreach theplane0902: Calls back McDonnell - "we uh we lost track control of the guy he's incoast track but we haven't we don't really know where his target is and we can'tget a hold of him" - asks to tryagain0906:22: HNN RA to DAC RA: "this is Henderson American seventy seven ehdo you guys have radar on him is he over Falmouth or"

(6) WHY WOULD YOU ASK THE DAC RA IF THEY COULD SEE HIMOVER FALMOUTH? ARE YOU NOT ABLE TO VIEW THAT LOCATIONFROM YOUR SCOPE?(7) DAC RA REPLIES TO YOU A T 1306:26: "NO WE JUST MOVED THETRACK THERE WE NEVER YOU KNOW" WHAT IS SHE REFERRINGTO?

0909: Contacts AA Dispatch for third time - learns that AA 11 was hijacked(8 ) PRIOR TO THIS CONVERSATION, WERE YOU AWARE THATOTHER PLANES HAD BEEN HIJACKED AND/OR HIT THE WTC?WHAT DID YOU KNOW/FROM WHOM?

0910: (9) WHO IS THIS CONVERSATION WITH? DO YOU REMEMBERWHAT WAS SAID?0911: Contacts DAC RA; informs her of news from AAL Dispatch0912-14: Series of "unintelligible" conversations from transcript

(10) WHAT WAS GOING ON DURING THIS TIME?0914: Fourth call to AAL Dispatch; he says he's already talked to Center andprovided all he knows

(11) WHAT DID YOU DO AFTER THAT CALL? WHY DOES THETRANSCRIPT/TAPE END AT THAT POINT?

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Statement: "I forwarded this information [news from AAL dispatch] to the radarcontroller, my immediate supervisor, facility management who was present at thetime, and also notified the Dacos Sector of the situation."(12) WHO WAS YOU R IMMEDIATE SUPERVISOR? WHEN DID YOUNOTIFY HIM OR HER? WAS HE OR SHE ALREADY AWARE OF THEOTHER HIJACKINGS? IF SO, FROM WHOM?(13) DID YOU COMMUNICATE TO YOUR SUPERVISOR OR OTHERTH E SOUTHWESTERLY COURSE YOU SAW TH E AIRCRAFT STARTBEFORE GOING TO COAST?(14) WHAT INSTRUCTIONS DID YOUR SUPERVISOR OR OTHERMANAGEMENT OFFICIALS GIVE YOU? WHAT WERE THEY DOING?(15) WHO WAS THE FACILITY MANAGEMENT YOU REFERENCE INYOUR STATEMENT? SAME QUESTIONS AS ABOVE?

Rudolph Gayde (DJH)Henderson R adar Position (0733-0843)Gayde took hand off from ZDC, then was relieved by Charles Thomas

(1) AT WHAT POINT IN THE TRANSCRIPT WERE YOU RELIEVED OFTHE POSITION BY CHARLES THOMAS? WHAT DID YOU DO AFTERTHAT?(2 ) ASK SITUATIONAL AWARENESS/OBSERVER QUESTIONS

Rhonda Adam s (DJH)Dacos Sector Radar Ass ociateNote: Dacos Rad ar - Joseph Eisert - deceased0906:22: HNN RA to DAC RA: "this is Henderson American seventy seven ehdo you guys have radar on him is he over Falmouth or"

(1) WHY WOULD YOU ASK THE DAC RA IF THEY COULD SEE HIMOVER FALMOUTH? ARE YOU NOT ABLE TO VIEW THAT LOCATIONFROM YOUR SCOPE?(2) YOU REPLIED TO HNN RA AT 1306:26: "NO WE JUST MOVED THETRACK THERE WE NEVER YOU KNOW" WHAT WERE YOUREFERRING TO?

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0906:39: DAC RA SPEAKING TO HNN RA: "and his last clearance as far as youknow is on course to Falmouth and then jay on thirty fou r right well we're justgonna treat him like non radar and we've already told the next sector they'regonna have to sterilize for him until we find out(3) WHAT DOES ITMEAN TO "TREAT HIMLIKE NONRADAR" - WHATPROCEDURE ARE YOU REFERRING TO?

Jeffrey Phillips (DJH)Batesville RadarRandy Kath (JF)Impel Radar CoordinatorSteve Harting (JF) - Search andRescue EffortTraffic Management Coordinator

NEED TO SCHEDULECharles Thom asHenderson R adar (0843-092?)(1) What did you mean when you said that the track went into "coast"?

So is AAT-20 Timeline correct when it says: "0856:19: Both primary andsecondary radar contact was simultaneously lost. There is no longer anyinformation on AAL77 on the ZID radar displays."?(2) When you notified your supervisors that the 77 was lost, did you inform themof the plane's position before it dropped off of radar? In other words, did youinform them that the plane had begun an unauthorized turn toward the south?Richard Byard - Described by Linda Povinelli as the controller-in-chargewhobriefed her on

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0837: Call com es into Sgt Powell - Weapons position, from Boston TM U (Joe Cooper);we have a hijack andneed help; Powell puts Deskins on the phone - she takesinformation.0842: Huntress ID 1 calls back Boston (Deskins must have relayed info to ID1); ID 1basically asks Boston to repeat airplane info - keep asking for a Mode 3.0845: Huntress ID 1 calls New York Center to alert them to hijack (first n otification??)

Questions for ID 1 - OpPositionIn your early conversations with Boston Center, you repeatedly ask for a Mode 3 so youcan locate AA 11 on your scope. Without a Mode 3, walk me through how you w entabout trying to locate AA 11 as a primary target?

Rules of EngagementLook at After ActionRADAR ISSUE:

Otis Scramble:(1 ) What coordinates where given to the Otis pilots on take off? Who within NEADSwas deciding this issue an d coordinating it with FAA? W ho within FAA was controllingth e flights?

Langley Pilots:Question about phantom aircraft that were reported by USSS, others, at the White House.

t8 b19 miles kara trips fdr- neads specific questions to answer

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