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  • SA-GENEALOGIE Poslys

    Argiewe 2012

    Jaargang IX Maand 2

    Februarie 2012

    Saamgestel deur: Pieter L van der Merwe

  • KWYTSKELDING

    Hierdie argief is nie ’n amptelike, wetlike dokument nie, maar

    ’n samestelling van die e-posse van verskillende lede van die

    SA Genealogie Gesprekslys soos dit gedurende die tydperk

    ingestuur was.

    Die lyseienaars en hulle bestuurspan aanvaar dus geen

    aanspreeklikheid vir die korrektheid van gegewens, sienings

    oor bepaalde gebeure, interpretasie en samestelling van

    familieverwantskappe, of vir enige aksies of verlies wat daaruit

    mag voortspruit nie, en stel voor dat persone wat hierdie bron

    gebruik, self eers die gegewens kontroleer.

  • Februarie 2012 Bundels

    (Sprokkelmaand)

  • Onderwerp: [SA-Gen] Bundel Nommer 5093

    Datum: Wed Feb 1, 2012

    Daar is 25 boodskappe in hierdie uitgawe

    Onderwerpe in hierdie bundel:

    1a. Re: VAN DER MERWE X VILJOEN From: Viljoen, HC

    2. Die deurgmekaar Vissers From: Elmien Wood

    3a. Re: re Stewart/Halvey family. From: Jannie Frey

    3b. Re: re Stewart/Halvey family. From: Carol Beneke

    3c. Re: Beneke x Vrey From: Annelie Els

    3d. Re: Beneke x Vrey From: Jannie Frey

    3e. Re: Beneke x Vrey From: Kobus Farrell

    4a. Re: Digest Number 5090 From: a_morkel

    5a. OT - Re: [SA-Gen] Die Slim mense van SAGEN - Britse

    Skeepsregistrasi From: paul_le_roux

    5b. Star Trek nie Groot Trek !! From: Annelie Els

    6. (Koerant) Beeld 01 Feb. 2012 From: Fanie Blignaut

    7. (Koerant) Beeld 31 Jan. 2012 From: Fanie Blignaut

    8a. Re: Visagie From: Lourens Annemie

    9. Pretorius en Bester From: Lourens

    10. Bester Zuidmeer From: Lourens

    11. Bester en De Villiers From: Lourens

    12. FW: OT - Re: [SA-Gen] Die Slim mense van SAGEN - Britse

    Skeepsregist From: Dennis Pretorius (MTN)

    13a. [Hulp] Uniondale From: Marietta van Zyl

    13b. Re: [Hulp] Uniondale From: Carol Beneke

    13c. UNIONDALE DOOPREGISTERS & HUWELIKREGISTERS - LDS SKAKELS From:

    Annelie Els

    13d. Re: [Hulp] Uniondale From: benvdw_oz

    13e. Re: UNIONDALE DOOPREGISTERS & HUWELIKREGISTERS - LDS SKAKELS

    From: Marietta van Zyl

    14. Plaasmoorde en Genealogie From: Stefaans Cilliers

    15. Plaasmoorde From: Stefaans Cilliers

    16. [Koerant] The Mercury /Daily News Woensdag 1 Februarie 2012

    From: aletta magrieta Quebbemann

    1a. Re: VAN DER MERWE X VILJOEN

    Posted by: "Viljoen, HC " [email protected] hc_viljoen

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 4:03 am (PST)

    Beste Babs,

    Baie dankie vir die inligting!

    Vriendelike groete

  • Christo

    Re: VAN DER MERWE X VILJOEN (vir Christo Viljoen)

    Posted by: "Babs" [email protected] bvonehrenberg

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 12:57 am (PST)

    Beste Christo,

    Volgens Janet Melville se "Stamboom van die Van der Merwe

    Familie..."

    2011, bl.88 is Gert Johannes * 27.12.1823 en Susara Johanna Viljoen

    * 1825 se seun Gert Johannes in 1853 gebore. Geen geboorteplek

    aangedui nie. Susara Johanna Viljoen se ouers word aangedui as

    Cornelis Hendricus Viljoen * 01.04.1793 en Maria Elizabeth Strydom

    *1801.

    Gert Johannes van der Merwe * 1840 x Maria Johanna Viljoen * 1840

    word onder die ongekoppeldes op bl. 1066 aangedui. Die doopgetuies

    by hul seun Gert Johannes * Kliprivier 17.04.1864 se doop op

    Potchefstroom 10.01.1865 was o.a. 'n J.J. Viljoen asook 'n M.P.

    Viljoen. Die outeur dui aan dat die name onduidelik is in die

    doopregister.

    Groete

    Babs

    --- In [email protected], "Viljoen, HC "

    wrote:

    >

    > Beste Babs,

    > Ek vermoed dit is dieselfde persoon. Gert Johannes van der Merwe

    (ook Gerrit Johannes) geb 27 Des 1823 Winterhoek, Uitenhage, +

    Potchefstroom 17 Okt 1901 x ca 1845 Susara Johanna Viljoen * 9 Jan

    1830 Uitenhage * 3 Jul 1897 + 3 Jul 1897 het 'n seun gehad Gerhardus

    Johannes (Gert) van der Merwe geb 17 Apr 1865 ~ NHK Potchefstroom 1

    Okt 1865 gehad.

    > LW die geboortedatum op my rekords verskil een jaar met joune. Wat

    is jou bron van inligting?

    > Groete

    > Christo

    ________________________________

    E-pos vrywaringsklousule

  • Hierdie e-pos mag vertroulike inligting bevat en mag regtens

    geprivilegeerd wees en is slegs bedoel vir die persoon aan wie dit

    geadresseer is. Indien u nie die bedoelde ontvanger is nie, word u

    hiermee in kennis gestel dat u hierdie dokument geensins mag

    gebruik, versprei of kopieer nie. Stel ook asseblief die sender

    onmiddellik per telefoon in kennis en vee die e-pos uit. Die

    Universiteit aanvaar nie aanspreeklikheid vir enige skade, verlies

    of uitgawe wat voortspruit uit hierdie e-pos en/of die oopmaak van

    enige l?ers aangeheg by hierdie e-pos nie.

    E-mail disclaimer

    This e-mail may contain confidential information and may be legally

    privileged and is intended only for the person to whom it is

    addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified

    that you may not use, distribute or copy this document in any manner

    whatsoever. Kindly also notify the sender immediately by telephone,

    and delete the e-mail. The University does not accept liability for

    any damage, loss or expense arising from this e-mail and/or

    accessing any files attached to this e-mail.

    2. Die deurgmekaar Vissers

    Posted by: "Elmien Wood" [email protected]

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 4:52 am (PST)

    Ek voel verskriklik sleg, want die inligting oor die Vissers wat ek

    aangestuur het is foutief.

    Die probleem is die volgende:

    Drie vroue is getroud met drie Visserbroers. Die drie vroue is:

    Catharina Everts van der Zee gebore in 1673 op die skip Europa,

    Catharina, ‘n weesmeisie van Rotterdam en

    Jannetje Thieleman, die eerste Kaapsgebore vrou wat ‘n huwelik

    aangegaan het (sien Schoeman, 2001, Armosyn van die Kaap, p. 347).

    Die een verwarring het ontstaan tussen die twee Catharinas. Sover

    bekend het nie een van die twee uit ‘n familie gekom wat ‘n van

    gehad het nie. Catharina van der Zee wat op die Europa gebore is,

    was die dogter van Evert Cornelissen, dus die “Everts” (sien Suid-

    Afrikaanse Geslagregisters, vol. 1, p. 665).

    Die Catharina wat die wees meisie was, is ook soms in die

    kerkregisters aangeteken as Catharina van der Zee.

  • Die tweede verwarrring het ontstaan deurdat al drie hierdie vroue

    dogters met die naam Johanna gehad het. Jannetje Thielemans het twee

    dogters met die naam Johanna/Jannetje gehad!

    Die gepubliseerde geslagregister het keer op keer ‘n aanvanklike

    fout herhaal. Ek raai almal aan wat inligting oor die eerste Vissers

    het om dit te kontroleer aan die hand van e-families se First Fifty

    Years project http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/ en op die webwerf van

    Richard Ball, die Ball families of Hastings,

    http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/olivier/I111.html

    Na my mening is die regte inligting op hierdie webwerwe.

    Die vier Johannas was volgens die inligting wat ek nou het:

    b6 Coenraad Jansz VISSER * c. 1662 » 8.4.1663

    x 5.8.1685 Catharina Everts van der Zee * 1673

    c8 Johanna/Jannetie (Europa) VISSER = Stellenbosch 1 Feb 1711

    (Palmkronieke) TANAP MOOC10/5.40

    x Stellenbosch 28 Nov 1734 Dirk MAARTENS van Flensburg

    xx Kaap 17 Sep 1752 Johan Christiaan VOLKMAN van Pommere

    b3 Gerrit Jansz VISSER * c. 1653 (Blaauwklip, 1690, 50 morgen) KA:

    MOOC 13/1/1 Boedelrekening Gerrit Jansz: Visser nr. 57 (1715)

    Erkenning Mansell Upham

    x 4.08.1675 Jannetje Thielemans

    c8 Jannetie (Anna) VISSER = Kaap 28 Mei 1690 (Palmkronieke)

    {waarskynlik vernoem na Joanna Tielman, want sy is getuie by die

    doop} Erkenning Richard Ball

    x 5 Mei 1715 Johann (Jan) Arend ROODEWALD/ ROODENWALD G1 13/1 p. 4 *

    1688 † 1726

    xx 4 Mei 1727 Jacob NISSEN

    c12 Johanna VISSER (Joanetie) = Kaapstad 7 Jun 1699 First Fifty

    Years Project

    x Kaap 19 Mei 1715 Johannes (Hans) ROOS van Leipzig * 1715

    [Messelaar]

    d1 Maria ROOS

    x Bartel HERTZOG (Stamvader)

    xx 9 Des 1746 Lucas VISAGIE

    b8 Johannes VISSER (Jan Jansz) = Kaap 16 Jan 1667

  • x Kaap 8 Mei 1689 Catharina VAN DER ZEE van Rotterdam. G1 1/1 p. 85

    Tanap MOOC10/5.40

    c1 Johanna/Jannetie VISSER = Kaap 5 Mrt 1690

    Ek hoop regtig dat die drukkersduiwel nie weer my goed deurmekaar

    geskrap het nie.

    Groete

    Elmien

    3a. Re: re Stewart/Halvey family.

    Posted by: "Jannie Frey" [email protected]

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 5:49 am (PST)

    Hallo Carol,

    Any news about my Great Gran Beneke?

    Jannie Frey

    From: [email protected]

    [mailto:[email protected]] On

    Behalf Of Carol Beneke

    Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 11:09 AM

    To: Rootsweb - S.A.; Rootsweb - E.C.; SA Genealogy

    Subject: [SA-Gen] re Stewart/Halvey family.

    Hi List

    Is there perhaps some one that can provide info on the couple listed

    below.

    STEWART - HALVEY. The engagement is announced between Maureen,

    eldest

    daughter of Mr and Mrs M. HALVEY,

    and Cecil Harold (Bobby), S.A.A.F., second son of Mr and Mrs C.H.

    STEWART of

    Misgund.

    Any help greatly appreciated.

    Thanks in advance.

    Carol BENEKE nee STEWART

    Port Elizabeth, South Africa.

    083 4821 482

  • ________________________

    Researching: STEWART, STONE, LUKE, BENEKE, BENECKE, VON BENECKE

    and related families.

    3b. Re: re Stewart/Halvey family.

    Posted by: "Carol Beneke" [email protected] carolbeneke

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 6:15 am (PST)

    Hi Jannie

    I’m still busy entering data:

    As soon as I find the Carolina Jacoba Catharina Beneke/Frey

    connection

    I’ll let you know.

    I haven’t worked on my tree for 2 years due to another project,

    have just collected data – so it’s taking a considerable amount of

    my

    time now.

    I promise as soon as I find it, I’ll contact you.

    Regards

    Carol

    From: Jannie Frey

    Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 3:49 PM

    To: [email protected] ; 'Rootsweb - S.A.' ; 'Rootsweb -

    E.C.'

    Subject: RE: [SA-Gen] re Stewart/Halvey family.

    Hallo Carol,

    Any news about my Great Gran Beneke?

    Jannie Frey

    From: mailto:SAGenealogie%40yahoogroups.com

    [mailto:mailto:SAGenealogie%40yahoogroups.com] On

    Behalf Of Carol Beneke

    Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 11:09 AM

    To: Rootsweb - S.A.; Rootsweb - E.C.; SA Genealogy

    Subject: [SA-Gen] re Stewart/Halvey family.

    Hi List

  • Is there perhaps some one that can provide info on the couple listed

    below.

    STEWART - HALVEY. The engagement is announced between Maureen,

    eldest

    daughter of Mr and Mrs M. HALVEY,

    and Cecil Harold (Bobby), S.A.A.F., second son of Mr and Mrs C.H.

    STEWART of

    Misgund.

    Any help greatly appreciated.

    Thanks in advance.

    Carol BENEKE nee STEWART

    Port Elizabeth, South Africa.

    083 4821 482

    ________________________

    Researching: STEWART, STONE, LUKE, BENEKE, BENECKE, VON BENECKE

    and related families.

    ----------------------------------------------------------

    ----------------------------------------------------------

    3c. Re: Beneke x Vrey

    Posted by: "Annelie Els" [email protected] engelkind2000

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 6:47 am (PST)

    Hi Carol,

    Is dit waarna jy soek ??

    a1b2c9d6. Cornelia Jacoba Catharina VREY, (dogter van Cornelis VREY

    en Dina Carolina Jacoba Catharina

    OLIVIER) g. 15 Okt 1835,13 +. 21 Mei 1882.44jr

    Sy trou Diederick (Johannes) BENEKE, g. 10 Jul 1825,44 (seun van

    Johan Diederik BENECKE en Magdalena

  • Johanna MINNIE) +. 19 Aug 1881.44jr

    Groetnis

    Annelie Els

    Pretoria.

    My Grootjies (Pa):-Heever x Stassen & Liebenberg x Badenhorst

    (Ma):-Vrey x Scott & Viljoen x vd Berg

    Paul se Grootjies (Pa):- Els x Schalkwyk & Badenhorst x Engelbrech

    (Ma):- Els x Vermaak & Rainer x Bruyns

    -----Original Message-----

    From: [email protected]

    [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carol Beneke

    Sent: 01 February 2012 04:15 PM

    To: [email protected]

    Subject: Re: [SA-Gen] re Stewart/Halvey family.

    Hi Jannie

    I’m still busy entering data:

    As soon as I find the Carolina Jacoba Catharina Beneke/Frey

    connection

    I’ll let you know.

    3d. Re: Beneke x Vrey

    Posted by: "Jannie Frey" [email protected]

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 9:41 pm (PST)

    Hallo Carol en Annelie

    Dis nou vir my duidelik hierdie Dina Carolina Jacoba Catharina

    Beneke kan nie my grootjie wees nie want my oupa Jan Diederick Frey

    is Oktober 1898 gebore … 16jaar na haar sterf datum. Daar moet dus

    nog `n Dina Carolina Jacoba Catharina Beneke wees wat sy moeder was

    (volgens doopregister)

    Groete

    Jannie Frey

    (Steyl, Frey/Vrey)

    From: [email protected]

    [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Annelie Els

    Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:47 PM

    To: [email protected]

    Subject: RE: [SA-Gen] Beneke x Vrey

    Hi Carol,

  • Is dit waarna jy soek ??

    a1b2c9d6. Cornelia Jacoba Catharina VREY, (dogter van Cornelis VREY

    en Dina Carolina Jacoba Catharina

    OLIVIER) g. 15 Okt 1835,13 +. 21 Mei 1882.44jr

    Sy trou Diederick (Johannes) BENEKE, g. 10 Jul 1825,44 (seun van

    Johan Diederik BENECKE en Magdalena

    Johanna MINNIE) +. 19 Aug 1881.44jr

    Groetnis

    Annelie Els

    Pretoria.

    My Grootjies (Pa):-Heever x Stassen & Liebenberg x Badenhorst

    (Ma):-Vrey x Scott & Viljoen x vd Berg

    Paul se Grootjies (Pa):- Els x Schalkwyk & Badenhorst x Engelbrech

    (Ma):- Els x Vermaak & Rainer x Bruyns

    -----Original Message-----

    From: [email protected]

    [mailto:[email protected]

    ] On Behalf Of Carol Beneke

    Sent: 01 February 2012 04:15 PM

    To: [email protected]

    Subject: Re: [SA-Gen] re Stewart/Halvey family.

    Hi Jannie

    I’m still busy entering data:

    As soon as I find the Carolina Jacoba Catharina Beneke/Frey

    connection

    I’ll let you know.

    3e. Re: Beneke x Vrey

    Posted by: "Kobus Farrell" [email protected]

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 9:53 pm (PST)

    Goeie more

    Kyk in SAG onder b15c11d5 Dina Johanna Magdalena *16 - 06 -1856 =

    George 23 -11 -1856 x Jacobus VREY

    Groete

    Kobus Farrell

  • 4a. Re: Digest Number 5090

    Posted by: "a_morkel" [email protected] a_morkel

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 6:01 am (PST)

    Baie dankie Delia, nou weet ons waar First Fifty Years Philip Morkel

    se geboortedatum vandaan gekry het - nl GISA. Ongelukkig gee daardie

    bron nie 'n verwysing nie.

    Ek is goed bekend met Philip William Morkel se boek oor die familie

    geskiedenis en genealogie, maar daarin is daar geen geboortedautm

    vir Philip nie. Dit bly dus 'n raaisel.

    Wat frustrerend is dat dit so 'n spesifieke datum is - 27 Februarie

    1677 - asof iemand dit wel weet. Dit is geloofbaar maar waar kom dit

    vandaan?

    Ek soek dus voort.

    André

    Perth

    --- In [email protected], DRobertson

    wrote:

    >

    > Andre,

    >

    > Jammer, die bron is eintlik SAG, L-M, bl. 677: "Philip Morkel *

    > 27.2.1677 van Hamburg" - sal regestel work in die volgende

    updatering.

    >

    > Op bl. 684, aan die einde van die Philip Morkel register is: "Sien

    > verder Philip William Morkel: The Morkels family history and

    family

    > tree." Dit is miskien waar vandaan die datum kom.

    >

    > Groetnis

    > Delia

    >

    > On 2012/01/31 09:50 PM, Andre wrote:

    > > From: Andre T. Morkel

    > > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:14 AM

    > > To:[email protected]

    > > Subject: [SA-Gen] Philip Morkel se geboortedatum

    > >

    > >

    > > Dankie Delia Robertson vir die opdatering van die First Fifty

    Years.

    > > Daarin is 'n verwysing na stamouer Philip MORKEL se

    geboortedatum, nl 27

    > > Februarie 1677.

  • > >

    > > Die verwysing is Lorna Newcomb and Ockert Malan, compilers,

    *Annale van

    > > Nederduits Gereformeerde Moedergemeente Stellenbosch No 1.*.,

    CD-ROM

    > > (Stellenbosch) Die Genootskap vir die Kerkversameling, 2004 0-

    9584832-1-3),

    > > Baptism Register. Hereinafter cited as *Palmkronieke I

    Baptisms.*

    > > *

    > > *

    > > Is daar 'n lyslid wat toegang tot hierdie bron het en die

    oorsprong van

    > > Philip se geboortedatum kan vasstel? Philip was in Hamburg

    Duitsland

    > > gebore en dus verwag mens nie dat sy geboorte en doop inligting

    nie in die

    > > Kaapse argiewe sal wees nie. Navorsing in Hamburg kon geen spoor

    van

    > > Philip vind nie. Waar kom die datum in Palmkronieke vandaan?

    > >

    > > Ek sal enige help baie waardeer.

    > >

    > > Andre Morkel

    > > Perth

    >

    5a. OT - Re: [SA-Gen] Die Slim mense van SAGEN - Britse

    Skeepsregistrasi

    Posted by: "paul_le_roux" [email protected] paul_le_roux

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 6:08 am (PST)

    A nee ah, Dennis en andere,

    Vandag is 1 Feb nie 1 April nie....

    The GIPSY BRIDE .......... was owned by James Kirk junior,

    'n Skip besit deur James KIRK met 'n SCOTTy aanboord - klink vir my

    na Star Trek se bemanning. Volgende vra julle of daar iemand is wat

    'n SK uit Klingon kan vertaal!

    LOL

    Paul LE ROUX

  • 5b. Star Trek nie Groot Trek !!

    Posted by: "Annelie Els" [email protected] engelkind2000

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 6:54 am (PST)

    SKERP !! Paul baie skerp..

    En dan sê mense genealogie is 'boring' !!!!

    Groetnis

    Annelie Els

    Pretoria.

    My Grootjies (Pa):-Heever x Stassen & Liebenberg x Badenhorst

    (Ma):-Vrey x Scott & Viljoen x vd Berg

    Paul se Grootjies (Pa):- Els x Schalkwyk & Badenhorst x Engelbrech

    (Ma):- Els x Vermaak & Rainer x Bruyns

    -----Original Message-----

    From: [email protected]

    [mailto:[email protected]] On

    Behalf Of paul_le_roux

    Sent: 01 February 2012 04:08 PM

    To: [email protected]

    Subject: OT - Re: [SA-Gen] Die Slim mense van SAGEN - Britse

    Skeepsregistrasie

    A nee ah, Dennis en andere,

    Vandag is 1 Feb nie 1 April nie....

    The GIPSY BRIDE .......... was owned by James Kirk junior,

    'n Skip besit deur James KIRK met 'n SCOTTy aanboord - klink vir my

    na Star

    Trek se bemanning. Volgende vra julle of daar iemand is wat 'n SK

    uit

    Klingon kan vertaal!

    LOL

    Paul LE ROUX

    6. (Koerant) Beeld 01 Feb. 2012

    Posted by: "Fanie Blignaut" [email protected] blignautfanie

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 6:33 am (PST)

    BEKKER; Gideon Josua, in lewe van Pretoria. Gedenkdiens: Heatherdale

    Begraafplaas, Britsweg, Pretoria-Noord, 02/02/2012, 11:00. (Beeld -

  • 01/02/2012) AVBOB Begrafnisdienste, Pretoria-Noord, 012-565-4269.

    DE LANGE; Anna Catharina Frederika (Rika), in lewe van Pretoria.

    Begrafnisdiens: VEK Kerk Lofdal, Pretoria, 03/02/2012, 09:30 #

    Heatherdale

    Begraafplaas, Britsweg, Pretoria-Noord. (Beeld - 01/02/2012) AVBOB

    Begrafnisdienste, Pretoria-Noord, 012-565-4269.

    GERMESHUISEN; Pieter. Begrafnisdiens: NG Gemeente, Roodekrans,

    Roodepoort,

    Gauteng provinsie, 02/02/2012, 09:30. (Beeld - 01/02/2012)

    KRUGER; Diwan * 20/01/2008, ID-080120 1205 088. Dawid Johannes

    Jacobus

    KRUGER, ID-740618 5097 088 of Catherine Suzette KRUGER, ID-830527

    0045 086,

    kontak dringend {Me} M HATTINGH by CMR Noord, tel-012-344-1291 oor

    aanneming

    van Diwan. (Beeld - 30/01/, 01/02/2012)

    Groete,

    Fanie Blignaut (Blikkies), Zandfontein Begraafplaas, Pretoria

    Vanderbijlpark,

    Gauteng provinsie.

    [Blignaut x Laubscher; Els x Blignaut; Pretorius x Bloem; Kruger x

    Pretorius.]

    [Bouwer x Meyer; Bouwer x Wild; Pretorius x v/d Merwe; Pretorius x

    Potgieter; Potgieter x Barkhuizen] AVBOB Begrafnisdienste, Pretoria-

    Noord,

    012-565-4269

    7. (Koerant) Beeld 31 Jan. 2012

    Posted by: "Fanie Blignaut" [email protected] blignautfanie

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 6:36 am (PST)

    KRUGER; Diwan * 20/01/2008, ID-080120 1205 088. Dawid Johannes

    Jacobus

    KRUGER, ID-740618 5097 088 of Catherine Suzette KRUGER, ID-830527

    0045 086,

    kontak dringend {Me} M HATTINGH by CMR Noord, tel-012-344-1291 oor

    aanneming

    van Diwan. (Beeld - 30, 31/01/2012)

  • Groete,

    Fanie Blignaut (Blikkies), Zandfontein Begraafplaas, Pretoria

    Vanderbijlpark,

    Gauteng provinsie.

    [Blignaut x Laubscher; Els x Blignaut; Pretorius x Bloem; Kruger x

    Pretorius.]

    [Bouwer x Meyer; Bouwer x Wild; Pretorius x v/d Merwe; Pretorius x

    Potgieter; Potgieter x Barkhuizen] AVBOB Begrafnisdienste, Pretoria-

    Noord,

    012-565-4269

    8a. Re: Visagie

    Posted by: "Lourens Annemie" [email protected]

    lourensannemie

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 7:50 am (PST)

    Goeiedag

    Ek het die navraag gesien oor Swartland Visagies.

    Ek het so 'n paar Visagies in my Swartland register. Kan ek dalk

    meer spesifieke inligting kry oor die navrae sodat ek kan vastel

    watter Visagie familie dit is?

    Groete

    Annemie Lourens

    Malmesbury

    9. Pretorius en Bester

    Posted by: "Lourens" [email protected] lourensannemie

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 10:06 am (PST)

    Goeiedag

    Wie van die Pretorius kenners kan dalk hier help ek soek enige

    inligting oor die volgende egpaar en of hul wel van die Swartland

    was?

    Michiel Christiaan Bester was eers getroud met Elizabeth Catharina

    de Jongh en toe met Elsie Sophia Johanna Pretorius.

  • Sover ek kon vastel het hy die volgende kinders gehad by Elizabeth

    Catharina de Jongh.

    b1 Johannes Barend Bester * 1849 Boebezakskraal, Malmesbury + 13 Dec

    1901 Scaapplaats (Boer,MOOC 6/9/441:4477)

    getroud met Catharina Elizabeth B.Bester

    c1 Sophia Catharina Hendrina Bester

    c2 Michiel Christiaan Johannes Bester

    c3 Hester Eliza Wilhelmina Bester

    c4 Catharina Anna Bester

    c5 Johanna Barendina Bester

    c6 Anna Gysbertha Bester + bef 1900

    c7 Andries Jacobus Bester

    c8 Johannes Barend Bester

    c9 Hendrik Bester

    c10 Christiaan Lodewyk Bester

    c11 Wilhelm Myburgh Bester

    c12 Jacobus Mynert Bester

    a2. Helena Johanna Bester * 15 Mar 1876 getroud 27 Feb 1900

    Piketberg met Hermanus Dempers Thiart *19 Mar 1881 = 1 May 1881

    Piketberg sv.Frederik Hendrik Johannes Gabriel Thiart en Hester

    Helena Boonzaaier.

    Groete

    Annemie Lourens

    Swartland families.

    10. Bester Zuidmeer

    Posted by: "Lourens" [email protected] lourensannemie

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 10:20 am (PST)

    Goeiedag Lede

    Ek is op soek na die ouers van Johannes Denyssen Bester en sal enige

    bydrae waardeer.

    1. Johannes Denyssen BESTER * 3 Nov 1888 Durbanville + 11 Jul 1968

    Strand. ?Victoriastraat Strand

    Johannes Denyssen BESTER getroud met Maria Cornelia ZUIDMEER (dv.

    Pieter Franciscus ZUIDMEER en Anna Maria DU PLESSIS) op 26 Des 1918

    in Paarl. Maria Cornelia ZUIDMEER * 22 Jun 1887 in Paarl. = 7 Aug

    1887 in Strooidakkerk, Paarl. Bekend as Blapie. onderwyseres dist.

    Mosselbaai

    Groete

    Annemie Lourens

    Swartland families

  • 11. Bester en De Villiers

    Posted by: "Lourens" [email protected] lourensannemie

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 10:28 am (PST)

    Goeiedag

    Nog 'n Swartland Bester navrae.

    Ek is op soek na die ouers van Catharina Aletta Johanna Jacoba

    Bester.

    Catharina Aletta Johanna Jacoba Bester getroud 30 Jan 1871 Swartland

    met Tielman Theunis Christiaan Roux de Villiers *24 Sep 1839 = 22

    Oct 1839 Grootriet, distr. Namakwaland + 8 Aug 1919 Klipheuwel,

    distr. Namakwaland ( boer "Strandfontein", dist. Namakwaland) sv.

    Isaak Abraham de Villiers en Catharina Aletta Bester.

    Groete

    Annemie Lourens

    Swartland families

    12. FW: OT - Re: [SA-Gen] Die Slim mense van SAGEN - Britse

    Skeepsregist

    Posted by: "Dennis Pretorius (MTN)" [email protected]

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 10:31 am (PST)

    Hallo "paultjie"

    My voorouers het nie sommer net hier aangekom nie - hulle hier

    "arrive" ;-))

    "Beam me down Scotty"

    Groetnis

    Dennis Pretorius ----- Krugersdorp, S A

    Home Tel / Huis Tel: +27-11-762-8911

    Office /Kantoor: _+27-11-953-3727

    Cel / Sel: +27-83-679-8541 Fax/Faks +27-86-609-8541

    -----Original Message-----

    From: [email protected]

    [mailto:[email protected]] On

    Behalf Of paul_le_roux

    Sent: 01 February 2012 16:08

    To: [email protected]

    Subject: OT - Re: [SA-Gen] Die Slim mense van SAGEN - Britse

    Skeepsregistrasie

  • A nee ah, Dennis en andere,

    Vandag is 1 Feb nie 1 April nie....

    The GIPSY BRIDE .......... was owned by James Kirk junior,

    'n Skip besit deur James KIRK met 'n SCOTTy aanboord - klink vir my

    na Star

    Trek se bemanning. Volgende vra julle of daar iemand is wat 'n SK

    uit

    Klingon kan vertaal!

    LOL

    Paul LE ROUX

    13a. [Hulp] Uniondale

    Posted by: "Marietta van Zyl" [email protected]

    mariettavanzyl

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 2:07 pm (PST)

    Goeienaand vriende

    Het iemand dalk toegang tot Uniondale se doop registers asb?

    Ek tas nog steeds in die donker rond! Tyd dat ek die ligte aansit!

    Byvoorbaat dankie

    Marietta van Zyl

    IMPALA PARK

    Suid Afrika

    Huis: 0118945917

    Sel no: 0827765998

    Faks: 0867563254

    Epos: [email protected]

    Familieboom:

  • > George van Zyl and Marietta Gouws tree Web Site

    VANNE: Van Zyl, Gouws, Burness, Schwartz, Olivier, Thorpe, Fourie,

    Snyman,

    Bezuidenhoudt, Greeff, Marè, Stolk

    13b. Re: [Hulp] Uniondale

    Posted by: "Carol Beneke" [email protected] carolbeneke

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 9:23 pm (PST)

    Hi All

    Yes, I would also like a few look-ups in these registers.

    Regards

    Carol

    From: Marietta van Zyl

    Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 12:07 AM

    To: [email protected]

    Subject: [SA-Gen] [Hulp] Uniondale

    Het iemand dalk toegang tot Uniondale se doop registers asb?

    13c. UNIONDALE DOOPREGISTERS & HUWELIKREGISTERS - LDS SKAKELS

    Posted by: "Annelie Els" [email protected] engelkind2000

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 9:50 pm (PST)

    Hallo Marietta en andere,

    Daar is `n klompie UNIONDALE registers op die LDS webwerf.

    MAAK SEKER DAT DIE HELE !! SKAKEL IN DIE BROWSER GEPLAK WORD INDIEN

    DIT NIE

    HIER WERK NIE. !!

    South Africa, Dutch Reformed Church Records, 1690-2007 1866-1888

    Baptisms

    Uniondale

    https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12442-39391-

    16?cc=1392488&wc=10

  • 831393

    South Africa, Dutch Reformed Church Records, 1690-2007 1888-1913

    Baptisms

    Uniondale

    https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12059-33744-

    3?cc=1392488&wc=108

    31440

    South Africa, Dutch Reformed Church Records, 1690-2007 1892-1904

    Marriages

    O-Uniondale

    https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12355-27481-

    24?cc=1392488&wc=10

    831447

    South Africa, Dutch Reformed Church Records, 1690-2007 1904-1927

    Marriages

    Uniondale

    https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12695-9012-

    17?cc=1392488&wc=108

    31485

    South Africa, Dutch Reformed Church Records, 1690-2007 1956-1971

    Marriages

    Uniondale

    https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11610-36744-

    48?cc=1392488&wc=10

    831837

    Groetnis

    Annelie Els

    Pretoria.

    My Grootjies (Pa):-Heever x Stassen & Liebenberg x Badenhorst

    (Ma):-Vrey x Scott & Viljoen x vd Berg

    Paul se Grootjies (Pa):- Els x Schalkwyk & Badenhorst x Engelbrech

    (Ma):- Els x Vermaak & Rainer x Bruyns

    -----Original Message-----

    From: [email protected]

    [mailto:[email protected]] On

    Behalf Of Marietta van Zyl

    Sent: 02 February 2012 12:07 AM

    To: [email protected]

    Subject: [SA-Gen] [Hulp] Uniondale

    Goeienaand vriende

  • Het iemand dalk toegang tot Uniondale se doop registers asb?

    Ek tas nog steeds in die donker rond! Tyd dat ek die ligte aansit!

    Byvoorbaat dankie

    Marietta van Zyl

    IMPALA PARK

    Suid Afrika

    Huis: 0118945917

    Sel no: 0827765998

    Faks: 0867563254

    Epos: [email protected]

    Familieboom:

    George van Zyl and Marietta Gouws tree Web Site

    VANNE: Van Zyl, Gouws, Burness, Schwartz, Olivier, Thorpe, Fourie,

    Snyman,

    Bezuidenhoudt, Greeff, Marè, Stolk

    ------------------------------------

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    word versoek om dit nie op die poslys te doen nie, maar dit liefs

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  • 13d. Re: [Hulp] Uniondale

    Posted by: "benvdw_oz" [email protected] benvdw_oz

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 9:51 pm (PST)

    Hi Marietta

    Ek is oorspronklik van Uniondale - daar gebore en daar skool gegaan.

    Ek twyfel sterk of die dooprekords daar al digitaal vasgele is. Ek

    het nog familie wat daar bly en kan jou in kontak sit met die leraar

    van die plaaslike NGK indien jy so verkies. Stuur asb 'n email na my

    persoonlike adres.

    Groete

    Ben van der Westhuizen

    --- In [email protected], "Marietta van Zyl"

    wrote:

    >

    > Goeienaand vriende

    >

    >

    >

    > Het iemand dalk toegang tot Uniondale se doop registers asb?

    >

    > Ek tas nog steeds in die donker rond! Tyd dat ek die ligte aansit!

    >

    >

    >

    > Byvoorbaat dankie

    >

    >

    >

    > Marietta van Zyl

    >

    > IMPALA PARK

    >

    > Suid Afrika

    >

    > Huis: 0118945917

    >

    > Sel no: 0827765998

    >

    > Faks: 0867563254

    >

    > Epos: marietta2510@...

    >

    > Familieboom:

    > > George van Zyl and Marietta Gouws tree Web Site

    >

    >

    >

  • > VANNE: Van Zyl, Gouws, Burness, Schwartz, Olivier, Thorpe, Fourie,

    Snyman,

    > Bezuidenhoudt, Greeff, Marè, Stolk

    >

    >

    >

    >

    >

    >

    13e. Re: UNIONDALE DOOPREGISTERS & HUWELIKREGISTERS - LDS SKAKELS

    Posted by: "Marietta van Zyl" [email protected]

    mariettavanzyl

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 11:29 pm (PST)

    Baie dankie, ek sal beslis kyk.

    From: [email protected]

    [mailto:[email protected]] On

    Behalf Of Annelie Els

    Sent: 02 February 2012 07:50 AM

    To: [email protected]

    Subject: [SA-Gen] UNIONDALE DOOPREGISTERS & HUWELIKREGISTERS - LDS

    SKAKELS

    Hallo Marietta en andere,

    14. Plaasmoorde en Genealogie

    Posted by: "Stefaans Cilliers" [email protected]

    stefaanscilliers

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 10:42 pm (PST)

    TAU SA campaign on Farm Killings start this week

    After it became clear that farm murders in South Africa seems to be

    on the

    rise, TAU SA announced an awareness campaign in South Africa as well

    as

    internationally.

    Since the beginning of January, six farmers were murdered compared

    to 1

    farmer murdered during January 2011. The number of non-fatal attacks

    were

    also higher than in 2011.

  • TAU SA General Manager, Mr Bennie van Zyl , said this is

    unacceptable. "For

    several years now we have tried to convince the South African

    government to

    take action. Nothing has been done, and the only response we got was

    that

    'farm attacks are no longer a priority but a mere concern'. We are

    convinced that government is turning a deaf ear to our views, and

    now we

    have no other choice than to make use of other options to protect

    our

    farmers, who are the country's food producers," said Mr van Zyl.

    "We as farmers cannot be counted in terms of our numbers, because

    there are

    only about 35 000 commercial farmers left. But we can be weighed in

    terms of

    our contribution to the South African economy. If we could mobilize

    the

    South African consumers to support the farmers, this weight could

    become

    much more in terms of economic considerations. We have therefore

    opened a

    SMS line where people can deliver messages of support, and also

    pledge a

    small donation which will be partially used for our international

    awareness

    actions, and partially for our trauma fund to support the victims of

    farm

    attacks.

    "Our international awareness action also starts this week. TAU SA's

    Assistant-General Manager: Communications, Mr Henk van de Graaf, is

    currently in Europe , where he will bring the full dimensions of

    farm

    attacks to the attention of political parties, cultural

    organisations,

    governments and other stake holders. The visit culminates in a

    presentation

    to the European Parliament, where he will deliver the key note

    address at a

    public meeting of all European Parliamentarians on farm killings in

    South

    Africa . If the South African government does not want to listen to

    us, who

    represent the commercial farmers in South Africa , we have utilise

    other

    means to convince government to take action," said Mr van Zyl.

    People who would want to support TAU SA's actions in this regard,

    can send a

    SMS with the key word: TLUSTOP to 48716. Each SMS costs R10 which

    will be

    used for our international campaign as well as our trauma fund. The

    members

    of the public can also leave their names on TAU SA's web site at

    www.tlu.co.za as part of a petition campaign

  • against farm killings.

    Statement issued by TAU SA, January 31 2012

    Click here

    to

    sign up to receive our free daily headline email newsletter

    15. Plaasmoorde

    Posted by: "Stefaans Cilliers" [email protected]

    stefaanscilliers

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 11:06 pm (PST)

    Lys lede

    Die vorige e-pos wat ek gestuur het is 'n verklaring wat deur TLU SA

    uitgereik is. Daar is in die ander koerante ook dalk n Afrikaanse

    weergawe.

    Daar word baie goeie werk deur ons aktiewe lede gedoen om veral ou

    en

    vergete begraafplase te "ontdek" ter wille van ons navorsing.

    Hierdie mense

    wat vermoor is, is nog nie geskiedenis nie en pas dalk nog nie in

    die "oop

    gate' van ons navorsing nie, maar daar is heelwat ouer persone wat

    vermoor

    is wat dalk wel kan inpas. Die data is ook waarskynlik in die

    argiewe of

    Meesters kantoor beskikbaar nie.

    Die lyste van vermoorde boere en gesinne is baie lank en ook nog nie

    volledig nie, aangesien die polisie nie die data vrystel nie, en die

    inligting kom uit koerante ens. Daar is dus nog heelwat gevalle wat

    ons lede

    kan byvoeg. Ek is besig om die getalle te verkry en sal dit op die

    lys

    plaas sodra ek dit ontvang.

    Groete.

    Stefaans Cilliers

    16. [Koerant] The Mercury /Daily News Woensdag 1 Februarie 2012

    Posted by: "aletta magrieta Quebbemann" [email protected]

    alettaqea9fac

  • Wed Feb 1, 2012 11:42 pm (PST)

    Dag vriende,

    QUICKQUIP:-" My theory of evolution is that Darwin was adopted. "

    Steven

    WRIGHT.

    GEBOORTES:- geen

    VERLOWINGS:-RORHOLT -MOLLOY Glenn, Sally en Estelle gee verlowing

    bekend van

    hul dogter Carryn aan Graeme, seun van Per RORHOLT , Hamilton, New

    Zealand.

    WHEELER Meg & Chippy se jongste seun Edward aan Dana QUARGLIARIELLO,

    dogter

    van Catherine SHAMOUN & + Rudolh QUAGLIARIELLO van Brooklyn New

    York.

    HUWELIKE:-BOTES Neil & Adelle BRITS trou by Beethoven Guest House ,

    Amanzimtoti . (foto)

    MOHAPI Gilbert & Fatima BIBAEVA (blank) trou by Salt Rock (foto)

    MOORE Stephen & Courtney HURST trou by Our Lady of Fatima Church,

    Durban

    Noord. (foto).

    NORTJE Rowen & Pamela WYLDE trou by Old Balgowan, KZN Midlands.

    SPIERS Kegan & Kim trou by Collisheen Estate Ballito.(foto)

    STEVENS Adam & Lereese trou by Highfield House , Hillary. (foto).

    VAN BILJON Colin & Della DE PONTE trou by Shandrani Resort,

    Mauritius.(foto)

    WILLIAMS Justin & Penny-Jane ALBERTS trou by Makaranga Garden Lodge,

    Kloof.

    (foto).

    CONSECRATIONS:- HACK Philip. Man ,pa en oupa. Onthulling van steen

    by

    Pretoria Begraafplaas Rebecca Straat op 5 Feb 2012 om 10vm. DAILY

    NEWS.

    DOOD:-BOOYSEN Elizabeth 2 Junie 1911 ------28 Jan 2012 .Memorial by

    Trinity

    Presbyterian Kerk Meadowridge.

    ELSWORTH nee CALDWELL Dorothy (Dot) + 30 Jan 2012. Ma van Sally-Ann

    en ouma

  • van Nicole en Samantha. Suster van Chris en Pat (Oslo, Norway).

    FRANCIS Basil +30 Jan 2012. Oupa van Chanelle (Peanuts), Chantel

    (Fifi),Mav en agterkleinkinders. Ook broer, swaers en hul kinders.

    Diens by Old

    Majestic Cenema Chatsworth Main Rd , Umhlatuzana op ? geen datum

    vanaf 10vm

    ---3nm. Daarna na Clare Estate om 4nm.

    MEYER Alice Ruth .Memorial op 2 Feb 2012 by Centre of Universal Mind

    Glenwood om 10vm.

    PAIZES Anthea . Simpatie aan Peter ,Rita en Wayne. Niggie (Cousin)

    van

    Gerry, Lulu, Gia en Liz. DAILY NEWS.

    PETERS Noel Benedict O.M.I. + 28 Jan 2012. Requiem Mass by St

    Anthony's

    Church M.L. Sultan op 3 Feb 2012 om 0930 vm. Ter aarde bestelling

    daarna by

    St Joseph's Scholasticate Cedara. Ingesit deur DOVES 0860025500.

    REYNOLDS Jim. 29 Aug 1943 -29 Jan 2012 x Linda. Pa van Jo en Lou.

    RIP van

    die LONGIES.

    SHAW William Locke. Memorial op 3 Feb 2012 om 10vm by Flame Lily

    Park

    Retirement Home.

    MEMORIAM:-CONCHIE John 1 Mei 1936 -----1 Feb 2011. X Penny vir 40

    jaar. Pa

    van Alley en Preston.

    DONKIN Rory + 13 Mei 1984. Hy sou vandag 40 jaar oud gewees het.

    Onthou deur

    Mom, Dad, Shane, Clint, Wade, en Carrie-Ann.

    MUNDEL Helena 27 Aug 1952 -----1 Feb 2010. Onthou deur Barry,

    Jacqui, Nick,

    Gary, Jack en Nell en Carol en Sean.

    NEL Stephen Brett 6 Mei 1975 ----1 Feb 2009. Seun , broer en oom van

    Mom,

    Dad, Tarryn, Nicola, Megan, Emilee en fam.

    SAMUEL Gerald Lancelot. 40 jaar dood nou. Man en pa van May en

    familie.

    WATTS Dennis Gilbert . 1jaar dood nou. X Kay.

    Gegroet uit baie warm nag in Durban (27 grad middernag)

    Rita Quebbemann

  • Onderwerp: [SA-Gen] Bundel Nommer 5094

    Datum: Wed Feb 1, 2012

    Daar is 7 boodskappe in hierdie uitgawe

    Onderwerpe in hierdie bundel:

    1a. Re: Beneke x Vrey From: Johan

    2. [Hulp asb] Doop register From: Marietta van Zyl

    3a. Plaasmoorde en Genealogie From: Stefaans Cilliers

    4a. Re: Reynders- inligting. From: Zena Wilson

    5a. [Hulp] Olivier From: Marietta van Zyl

    5b. Re: [Hulp] Olivier From: Sarel Burger

    5c. Re: [Hulp] Olivier From: Marietta van Zyl

    1a. Re: Beneke x Vrey

    Posted by: "Johan" [email protected] johan.morgenthal

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 11:44 pm (PST)

    Ek sien in SAF Vol 3 onder Beneke die volgende:

    c11 Abraham Aaron * 13.7.1823 » Swellendam 18.7.1824 ? Kruisrivier,

    Oudtshoorn 7.9.1908 (86.2.-) x Riversdal 15.1.1844 Dina Johanna

    Magdalena VREY (Cornelis-dg) ? 23.2.1885 xx Magdalena Jacoba COERTZE

    g1 Jan Christoffel * Potchefstroom, Maart 1861, woon "Hekpoort",

    dist. Pretoria ? "Hekpoort", dist.Pretoria 1.8.1924 x Dina Johanna

    VREY * Ladismith, Kp, April 1866 ? "Elandsfontein",

    dist.Potchefstroom 25.12.1906 d.v. Gert Adriaan Vrey en Christina

    Susanna Olivier xx Krugersdorp,Maria Magdalena GROBLER * c. 1880

    Hoop dit help

    Johan

    ----- Original Message -----

    From: Kobus Farrell

    To: [email protected]

    Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:52 AM

    Subject: RE: [SA-Gen] Beneke x Vrey

    Goeie more

    Kyk in SAG onder b15c11d5 Dina Johanna Magdalena *16 - 06 -1856 =

    George 23 -11 -1856 x Jacobus VREY

    Groete

    Kobus Farrell

  • 2. [Hulp asb] Doop register

    Posted by: "Marietta van Zyl" [email protected]

    mariettavanzyl

    Wed Feb 1, 2012 11:59 pm (PST)

    More al jul goeie mense

    Ek is jammer ek vra so baie, maar dalk kan iemand my net vertel waar

    om

    MURRAYSBURG se doop registers op te soek asb. Indien beskikbaar.

    Marietta van Zyl

    IMPALA PARK

    Suid Afrika

    Huis: 0118945917

    Sel no: 0827765998

    Faks: 0867563254

    Epos: [email protected]

    Familieboom:

    George van Zyl and Marietta Gouws tree Web Site

    VANNE: Van Zyl, Gouws, Burness, Schwartz, Olivier, Thorpe, Fourie,

    Snyman,

    Bezuidenhoudt, Greeff, Marè, Stolk

    3a. Plaasmoorde en Genealogie

    Posted by: "Stefaans Cilliers" [email protected]

    stefaanscilliers

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 12:29 am (PST)

  • Lys Lede,

    Hier is enkele name van die Januarie 2012 gevalle.

    Date Name Area Details

    1 14/01/2012 Dries du Toit, 56 Klipplaatdrift farm,

    Ventersdorp North West. Opposite Eugene Terre'Blanche's old farm

    Beaten to death in his bed by five robbers

    at around 4 am in the morning. His wife also beaten, but

    survived.

    2 16/01/2012 Koos Bisschoff,71 Mooihoek Avondale farm,

    between Rustenburg and Koster, North West Attacked at his home

    by five robbers. Hit over the head with a rifle, bound

    with

    plastic ties and locked in a room with a plastic bag over his head.

    Died

    later of his wounds. Bisschoff suffered from asbestosis.

    3 22/01/2012 Michael Stenger, 30 Barbeton Road, Nelspruit,

    Mpumalanga Attacked by four robbers on his small holding

    .

    Used as a human shield in a shoot out with a colleague of Stenger's.

    Accidentally shot and died of his wounds.

    4 22/01/2012 Frans van der Linden, 57 Rashoop, outside

    Brits, North West Attacked on a small holding he was staying at.

    Beaten and twice shot

    by

    robbers

    at around 3am, who fled with a purse, cellphone and two watches. His

    daughter was about to be married. Arrests later made.

    5 23/01/2012 Francois du Toit, 38 Game farm outside

    Roossenekal, Mpumalanga A nutritional services expert at Alzu Feeds

    in

    Middelburg. Shot twice by

    robbers who entered his house at around 1am in the

    morning.

    Died shortly after of his wounds. His wife and children were tied

    up.

    6 28/01/2012 Hendrik Johannes (Boet) Cilliers, 77 Farm near

    Stella, North West Found dead on his farm with a gunshot wound on

    the

    forehead. His legs were tied up

    and he was badly assaulted

  • Stefaans Cilliers.

    4a. Re: Reynders- inligting.

    Posted by: "Zena Wilson" [email protected] zena.wilson

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 12:52 am (PST)

    Hi,

    Only Reynders I have are:

    Jacobus Josua Reynders X 10/9/1906 Hofmeyr, Cape to Johanna

    Christina Vorster * 9/7/1880 Tarkastad

    Jacomina Debora Reynders X Andries Johannes Daniel Jacobus Bester

    they had a daughter Levina Helena Catharina Bester christened

    7/11/1859 in Cradock, Levina X Labertus Johannes Blom

    Susanna Maria Reynders *c1874 X 12/7/1892 Dordrecht to Hercules

    Johannes Strydom * 4/5/1689

    Zena Opperman

    ________________________________

    From: Linda Bester

    To: [email protected]

    Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 12:50 PM

    Subject: [SA-Gen] Reynders- inligting.

    Goeiedag Lyslede.

    Ek is desperaat op soek na inligting oor my oupagrootjie Hendrik

    Johannes Jacobus Reynders, + 1920, begrawe Brixton Johannesburg,

    grafnommer 1453 1920-10-25. Op sy sterftekennis word sy ouers

    aangedui

    as oorlede.

    X Gezina Elizabeth Jacoba Lewis (+1918-07-19 Vrededorp,

    Johannesburg) ,

    Pretoria.

    Hulle kinders: Aletha Welmina Christiana Louiza *1897-07-10, x Adam

    Johannes de Beer, xxHendrik Christiaan Smith

    Joseph Stevanis Erasmis *1899-03-26

    Heiltje Elizabeth * 1902-7-14, xAndries Jacobus Smith

    Gezina Elizabeth Jacoba *1903-01-21, x Jacobus van der Schyff

    Hendrik Johannes Jacobus *1906-12-14, x Maria Margaretha du Toit

    Welhelmina Chtistina *1909-01-06, x Gysbert Jacobus du Plessis

    Maria Magdalena Cornelis *1912-07-22, x Karel Volschenk

    Gerhardus Petrus Johannes *1916-07-07, x Elizabeth de Bruin

  • XX Marie Margaret Blake (x Willem R. Cleinwerck)

    Linda Bester

    Posbus 59326

    Karenpark

    0118

    Tel: (012) 525-1049

    Sel: 072-349-1697

    Email: [email protected]

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    5a. [Hulp] Olivier

    Posted by: "Marietta van Zyl" [email protected]

    mariettavanzyl

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 12:57 am (PST)

    1. Jan Johannes Stefanus Olivier (#313) died on an unknown date. He

    married

    Petronella Johanna Olivier [Burger] (#312).

    Children of Jan Johannes Stefanus Olivier (#313) and Petronella

    Johanna

    Olivier [Burger] (#312)

    i.

    2.

  • (Basie) Jan Johannes Stefanus Olivier (#2669) was born on Jan. 14,

    1899 and

    died on an unknown date.

    ii.

    3.

    (Trosie) Johanna Catharina Maria Mosterd [Olivier] (#318) was born

    on Aug.

    11, 1901 and died on an unknown date.

    iii.

    4.

    Petronella Johanna Burger Schwartz [Olivier] (#65) was born on May

    7, 1905

    in Ladismith, Cape and died on Jan. 16, 1958 in Klipstraat, Prince

    Albert.

    iv.

    5.

    (Pikkies) Margaretha Maria Susanna Botes [Olivier] (#314) was born

    on May 7,

    1905 and died on an unknown date.

    v.

    6.

    Schalk Willem Olivier (#2670) was born on Jul. 22, 1906 in Prince

    Albert.

    Is daar dalk iemand wat hierdie name het asb

    Marietta van Zyl

    IMPALA PARK

    Suid Afrika

    Huis: 0118945917

    Sel no: 0827765998

    Faks: 0867563254

    Epos: [email protected]

    Familieboom:

  • George van Zyl and Marietta Gouws tree Web Site

    VANNE: Van Zyl, Gouws, Burness, Schwartz, Olivier, Thorpe, Fourie,

    Snyman,

    Bezuidenhoudt, Greeff, Marè, Stolk

    5b. Re: [Hulp] Olivier

    Posted by: "Sarel Burger" [email protected] sarel.burger

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 1:40 am (PST)

    Marietta,

    Ek het die volgende inligting oor die gesin. Sarel Burger,

    Stellenbosch

    Familiegroeprekord vir Jan Johannes Stefanus OLIVIER

    ====================================================================

    =========

    ==

    Man: Jan Johannes Stefanus OLIVIER [20344]

    ====================================================================

    =========

    ==

    Gebore:

    Gedoop:

    Oorlede:

    Begrawe:

    Huwelik: Plek: [MRIN:8083]

    ====================================================================

    =========

    ==

    Vrou: Petronella Johanna BURGER [4193] (1)

    ====================================================================

    =========

    ==

    Gebore: 21 Jun 1871

    Gedoop: 8 Sept 1872 - Prins Albert

    Oorlede:

    Begrawe:

    Vader: Schalk Willem BURGER [911] (1826- )

    Moeder: Johanna Maria Catharina GIEBELER [3511] (Ca. 1833-1878)

    ====================================================================

    =========

    ==

    Kinders

  • ====================================================================

    =========

    ==

    1 M Jan Johannes Stefanus OLIVIER [20345]

    Gebore: 4 Jan 1899

    Gedoop: 21 Feb 1900 - Prins Albert (2)

    Oorlede:

    Begrawe:

    Gade:

    Huw. Datum:

    ----------------------------------------------------------

    --

    2 V Johanna Catharina Maria OLIVIER [20346]

    Gebore: 11 Aug 1901

    Gedoop: 22 Mrt 1902 - Prins Albert (2)

    Oorlede:

    Begrawe:

    Gade:

    Huw. Datum:

    ----------------------------------------------------------

    --

    3 V Margaretha Maria Susanna OLIVIER [20347]

    Gebore: 7 Mei 1905

    Gedoop: 17 Aug 1905 - Prins Albert (2)

    Oorlede:

    Begrawe:

    Gade:

    Huw. Datum:

    ----------------------------------------------------------

    --

    4 V Petronella Johanna Burger OLIVIER [20348]

    Gebore: 7 Mei 1905

    Gedoop: 17 Aug 1905 - Prins Albert (2)

    Oorlede: 16 Jan 1958 - Prins Albert

    Begrawe: - Prins Albert

    Gade:

    Huw. Datum:

    ----------------------------------------------------------

    --

    5 M Schalk Willem OLIVIER [20349]

    Gebore: 22 Jul 1906

    Gedoop: 19 Mei 1907 - Prins Albert (2)

    Oorlede:

    Begrawe:

    Gade:

    Huw. Datum:

    ----------------------------------------------------------

    --

    Laas Gewysig: 20 Okt 2011

    ====================================================================

    =========

    ==

  • Bronverwysings

    ====================================================================

    =========

    ==

    1. E-pos, Talita Lofty-Eaton, Swakopmund, [email protected],

    25.03.2010.

    2. Ibid, Alta le Roux, Dorpshuis, Oudtshoorn,

    [email protected],

    18.10.2011.

    -------Original Message-------

    From: Marietta van Zyl

    Date: 02/02/12 11:04:25

    To: [email protected]

    Subject: [SA-Gen] [Hulp] Olivier

    1. Jan Johannes Stefanus Olivier (#313) died on an unknown date. He

    married

    Petronella Johanna Olivier [Burger] (#312).

    5c. Re: [Hulp] Olivier

    Posted by: "Marietta van Zyl" [email protected]

    mariettavanzyl

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 2:08 am (PST)

    Baie dankie.

    Die no 4 is my ouma en no 3 haar tweelingsuster. Ek weet ook dat die

    van

    BURGER as name vir sommige van die kinders gegee is, soos my een

    tante het

    dit ook as ‘n naam.

    Burger Olivier byvoorbeeld is van die seuns genoem. Het jy dalk

    inligting

    oor dit? Ek kan dalk vir jou help op meer informasie van sommige

    hieronder.

    Sou jy belangstel. Kyk rooi….(no 4)

    Groete

  • From: [email protected]

    [mailto:[email protected]] On

    Behalf Of Sarel Burger

    Sent: 02 February 2012 11:40 AM

    To: [email protected]

    Subject: Re: [SA-Gen] [Hulp] Olivier

    Marietta,

    Ek het die volgende inligting oor die gesin. Sarel Burger,

    Stellenbosch

    Familiegroeprekord vir Jan Johannes Stefanus OLIVIER

    ====================================================================

    ========

    =

    ==

    Man: Jan Johannes Stefanus OLIVIER [20344]

    ====================================================================

    ========

    =

    ==

    Gebore:

    Gedoop:

    Oorlede:

    Begrawe:

    Huwelik: Plek: [MRIN:8083]

    ====================================================================

    ========

    =

    ==

    Vrou: Petronella Johanna BURGER [4193] (1)

    ====================================================================

    ========

    =

    ==

    Gebore: 21 Jun 1871

    Gedoop: 8 Sept 1872 - Prins Albert

    Oorlede:

    Begrawe:

    Vader: Schalk Willem BURGER [911] (1826- )

    Moeder: Johanna Maria Catharina GIEBELER [3511] (Ca. 1833-1878)

    ====================================================================

    ========

    =

    ==

    Kinders

    ====================================================================

    ========

    =

    ==

    1 M Jan Johannes Stefanus OLIVIER [20345]

    Gebore: 4 Jan 1899

    Gedoop: 21 Feb 1900 - Prins Albert (2)

  • Oorlede:

    Begrawe:

    Gade:

    Huw. Datum:

    ----------------------------------------------------------

    --

    2 V Johanna Catharina Maria OLIVIER [20346]

    Gebore: 11 Aug 1901

    Gedoop: 22 Mrt 1902 - Prins Albert (2)

    Oorlede:

    Begrawe:

    Gade:

    Huw. Datum:

    ----------------------------------------------------------

    --

    3 V Margaretha Maria Susanna OLIVIER [20347]

    Gebore: 7 Mei 1905

    Gedoop: 17 Aug 1905 - Prins Albert (2)

    Oorlede:

    Begrawe:

    Gade:

    Huw. Datum:

    ----------------------------------------------------------

    --

    4 V Petronella Johanna Burger OLIVIER [20348]

    Gebore: 7 Mei 1905

    Gedoop: 17 Aug 1905 - Prins Albert (2)

    Oorlede: 16 Jan 1958 - Prins Albert

    Begrawe: - Prins Albert

    Gade: (Jan) Johan Georg(e) Gabriël(le) Schwartz Apr 9 1882 te

    Fraserburg en

    oorlede Sep 20 1954 te Prince Albert

    Huw. Datum: About 1931 Te Beaufort Wes

    ----------------------------------------------------------

    --

    5 M Schalk Willem OLIVIER [20349]

    Gebore: 22 Jul 1906

    Gedoop: 19 Mei 1907 - Prins Albert (2)

    Oorlede:

    Begrawe:

    Gade:

    Huw. Datum:

    ----------------------------------------------------------

    --

    Laas Gewysig: 20 Okt 2011

    ====================================================================

    ========

    =

    ==

    Bronverwysings

    ====================================================================

    ========

  • =

    ==

    1. E-pos, Talita Lofty-Eaton, Swakopmund, [email protected]

    , 25.03.2010.

    2. Ibid, Alta le Roux, Dorpshuis, Oudtshoorn,

    [email protected]

    ,

    18.10.2011.

    -------Original Message-------

    From: Marietta van Zyl

    Date: 02/02/12 11:04:25

    To: [email protected]

    Subject: [SA-Gen] [Hulp] Olivier

    1. Jan Johannes Stefanus Olivier (#313) died on an unknown date. He

    married

    Petronella Johanna Olivier [Burger] (#312).

  • Onderwerp: [SA-Gen] Bundel Nommer 5095

    Datum: Thu Feb 2, 2012

    Daar is 25 boodskappe in hierdie uitgawe

    Onderwerpe in hierdie bundel:

    1a. moodie From: Andrew Kok

    1b. Re: moodie From: Johan Brink

    2a. Re: UNIONDALE DOOPREGISTERS & HUWELIKREGISTERS - LDS SKAKELS

    From: Francois van Niekerk

    2b. Re: UNIONDALE DOOPREGISTERS & HUWELIKREGISTERS - LDS SKAKELS

    From: Marietta van Zyl

    3a. Re: Beneke x Vrey From: Annelie Els

    3b. Re: Beneke x Vrey From: Carol Beneke

    3c. Re: Beneke x Vrey From: Jannie Frey

    3d. Re: Beneke x Vrey From: Annelie Els

    4. FW: Emailing: totale-Aanvalle en sterfte statistiek vanaf 1990

    tot 2 From: Stefaans Cilliers

    5. LDS doop rekords op FamilySearch From: anita slabbert

    6. [koerant] Die Burger Oos-Kaap 31 Jan 2012 From: P Marx

    7. [Koerant] Die Burger Oos-Kaap 01 Febr 2012 From: P Marx

    8. [Koerant] Die Burger Oos-Kaap 02 Febr 2012 From: P Marx

    9a. Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012 From: Johan Pottas

    9b. Re: Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012 From: janbos2000

    9c. Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012 From: Johan Vermeulen

    9d. Re: Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012 From: Gert Esterhuizen

    9e. Re: Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012 From: Pienie Smith

    9f. Re: Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012 From: Annelie Els

    9g. Re: Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012 From: Daan Hamman

    9h. Re: Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012 From: Gerhardus

    Frederik Oosthuizen

    9i. Re: Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012 From: Gustav & René

    Pansegrouw

    9j. Re: Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012 From: Charlie Els

    10a. Re: Hennig From: Mariana Olivier

    11a. Re: Reynders- inligting. From: Faan Naude, Rietfontein,

    PRETORIA

    1a. moodie

    Posted by: "Andrew Kok" [email protected] jakok2001

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:23 am (PST)

    Hallo Johan

    Aldus Overberg Origens die volgende:

  • Donald MOODIE* 29/12/1827 Grootvadersbosch, + 13/08/1920

    Grootvadersbosch

    X 1870 Worcester

    May Elizabeth COX, + 1870

    XX 7/3/1873

    Helen Joanna McINTYRE* 1852, + 1939 Sy was van Ceres.

    1.1.4.5 Thomas Dunbar MOODIE, * 06/06/1880 Grootvadersbosch, +

    29/02/1963

    Kaapstad

    X 04/07/1908

    Isabella Norah ENGLISH, * 1884, + 1974

    1.1.4.5.2 Graham Dunbar MOODIE,

    X 04/10/1939

    Sheila Donald GOW, *1911

    Volgens Burrows het Graham 'n BSc aan Rhodes behaal en was hy ook

    die Army

    Chief of Staff.

    Groete

    Andrew Kok

    --

    Dr Andrew Kok

    Durbanville

    082 500 6758

    1b. Re: moodie

    Posted by: "Johan Brink" [email protected]

    [email protected]

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 5:31 am (PST)

    Hallo Andrew en ook Trienie,

    Baie dankie vir die hulp met die voltooiing van dié MOODIE-prentjie.

    Ek waardeer jul belangstelling.

    Net 'n paar opmerkings op die laaste inset van Andrew, waaroor ek

    nog duidelikheid sal moet kry:

    (1) Geb dat van (b4) Donald MOODIE is of 1926 of 1927? Die dp rgstr

    sal dalk die antwoord gee!

    (2) Sy huwelik het ek as 11.11.1871. Dit kan egter ook 1870 wees

    want sy vrou Mary Elizabeth COX is oorlede 1870 of 1871 (seker met

  • geboorte van 'n 1ste-ling) [Verw: haar SK KAB MOOC 6/9/137-

    7706/1871, wat ek nog nie onder die oë gehad het nie!]

    (3) Ek het sy 2de huw as 5 of 7 Mrt 1873?

    (4) Helen Joanne MCINTYRE se boedel is reeds in 1936 opgestel. Is

    dit dalk haar sterfdatum eerder as 1939? [Verw: Haar boedeldoke per

    KAB MOOC 6/9/4825-51887/1936, wat ek ook nog nie onder die oë gehad

    het nie!]

    (5) Isabella Nora(h) MOODIE née ENGLISH is te George Bgrfpls begrawe

    en haar grafskrif lui: 1884 -1979 [Verw: eGGSA se Graftergstr met

    foto's]

    (6) Ja, ek dink die BSc pas meer in by sy 1ste werk as landmeter!

    (7) Burrows se term "Chief of Army Staff" was heeltemal korrek. Ten

    tye van MOODIE se diens was hierdie term (in Afr: Hoof van Leërstaf)

    die adjunk van die "Chief of the Army"/Hoof van die Leër. Later het

    die benaming vir daardie pos die meer beskrywende "Adjunk-Hoof van

    die Leër" (Eng: Deputy Chief of the Army), met die rang van

    generaal-majoor (Eng: major general), geword.

    Met vriendelike groete

    Johan

    Melkbosstrand

    082 328 9453

    [BRINK, EAGAR/EAGER en (VON) DURING]

    ----- Original Message -----

    From: Andrew Kok

    To: [email protected]

    Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 1:23 PM

    Subject: [SA-Gen] moodie

    Hallo Johan

    Aldus Overberg Origens die volgende:

    Donald MOODIE* 29/12/1827 Grootvadersbosch, + 13/08/1920

    Grootvadersbosch

    X 1870 Worcester

    May Elizabeth COX, + 1870

    XX 7/3/1873

    Helen Joanna McINTYRE* 1852, + 1939 Sy was van Ceres.

    1.1.4.5 Thomas Dunbar MOODIE, * 06/06/1880 Grootvadersbosch, +

    29/02/1963

    Kaapstad

    X 04/07/1908

    Isabella Norah ENGLISH, * 1884, + 1974

    1.1.4.5.2 Graham Dunbar MOODIE,

    X 04/10/1939

    Sheila Donald GOW, *1911

    Volgens Burrows het Graham 'n BSc aan Rhodes behaal en was hy ook

    die Army

    Chief of Staff.

  • Groete

    Andrew Kok

    --

    Dr Andrew Kok

    Durbanville

    082 500 6758

    2a. Re: UNIONDALE DOOPREGISTERS & HUWELIKREGISTERS - LDS SKAKELS

    Posted by: "Francois van Niekerk" [email protected]

    francoisvanniekerk82

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:53 am (PST)

    Beste lys

    Bestaan daar nie dalk so 'n link vir Willowmore doop-en

    huweliksregisters nie?

    Francois van Niekerk

    Beaufort-Wes

    2b. Re: UNIONDALE DOOPREGISTERS & HUWELIKREGISTERS - LDS SKAKELS

    Posted by: "Marietta van Zyl" [email protected]

    mariettavanzyl

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 4:03 am (PST)

    Asb ek wil ook weet, baie dankie.

    Marietta van Zyl

    IMPALA PARK

    Suid Afrika

    Huis: 0118945917

    Sel no: 0827765998

  • Faks: 0867563254

    Epos: [email protected]

    Familieboom:

    George van Zyl and Marietta Gouws tree Web Site

    VANNE: Van Zyl, Gouws, Burness, Schwartz, Olivier, Thorpe, Fourie,

    Snyman,

    Bezuidenhoudt, Greeff, Marè, Stolk

    From: [email protected]

    [mailto:[email protected]] On

    Behalf Of Francois van Niekerk

    Sent: 02 February 2012 01:53 PM

    To: [email protected]

    Subject: [SA-Gen] Re: UNIONDALE DOOPREGISTERS & HUWELIKREGISTERS -

    LDS

    SKAKELS

    Beste lys

    Bestaan daar nie dalk so 'n link vir Willowmore doop-en

    huweliksregisters

    nie?

    Francois van Niekerk

    Beaufort-Wes

    _____

    3a. Re: Beneke x Vrey

    Posted by: "Annelie Els" [email protected] engelkind2000

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:59 am (PST)

    Hi Kobus,

    Dankie vir die.

    Ek het na dit gekyk maar die probleem is die dame se name..

    Jannie soek na

    Dina Carolina Jacoba Catharina Beneke

  • Al wat dieselfde voorkom is die DINA..

    Groetnis

    Annelie Els

    Pretoria.

    My Grootjies (Pa):-Heever x Stassen & Liebenberg x Badenhorst

    (Ma):-Vrey x Scott & Viljoen x vd Berg

    Paul se Grootjies (Pa):- Els x Schalkwyk & Badenhorst x Engelbrech

    (Ma):- Els x Vermaak & Rainer x Bruyns

    -----Original Message-----

    From: [email protected]

    [mailto:[email protected]] On

    Behalf Of Kobus Farrell

    Sent: 02 February 2012 07:53 AM

    To: [email protected]

    Subject: RE: [SA-Gen] Beneke x Vrey

    Goeie more

    Kyk in SAG onder b15c11d5 Dina Johanna Magdalena *16 - 06 -1856 =

    George 23

    -11 -1856 x Jacobus VREY

    Groete

    Kobus Farrell

    3b. Re: Beneke x Vrey

    Posted by: "Carol Beneke" [email protected] carolbeneke

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 4:42 am (PST)

    Hi Annelie en Kobus,

    Hier is die oorspronklike e-pos.

    Hallo,

    Enige kans dat daar 'n Carolina Jacoba Catharina Beneke in jou

    navorsing was. Sy was my ouma grootjie (moeder van my oupa JD Frey

    gebore Okt 1898).

    Sy was getroud met Daniel Johannes Frey

    Groete Jannie Frey

    Groete

    Carol

    From: Annelie Els

    Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 1:59 PM

    To: [email protected]

  • Subject: RE: [SA-Gen] Beneke x Vrey

    Hi Kobus,

    Dankie vir die.

    Ek het na dit gekyk maar die probleem is die dame se name..

    Jannie soek na

    Dina Carolina Jacoba Catharina Beneke

    Al wat dieselfde voorkom is die DINA..

    Groetnis

    Annelie Els

    Pretoria.

    Subject: RE: [SA-Gen] Beneke x Vrey

    Goeie more

    Kyk in SAG onder b15c11d5 Dina Johanna Magdalena *16 - 06 -1856 =

    George 23

    -11 -1856 x Jacobus VREY

    Groete

    Kobus Farrell

    3c. Re: Beneke x Vrey

    Posted by: "Jannie Frey" [email protected]

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 5:45 am (PST)

    Hallo.

    Het ek nou konsternasie veroorsaak???

    Jannie

    From: [email protected]

    [mailto:[email protected]] On

    Behalf Of Carol Beneke

    Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 2:43 PM

    To: [email protected]

    Subject: Re: [SA-Gen] Beneke x Vrey

    Hi Annelie en Kobus,

    Hier is die oorspronklike e-pos.

    Hallo,

  • Enige kans dat daar 'n Carolina Jacoba Catharina Beneke in jou

    navorsing

    was. Sy was my ouma grootjie (moeder van my oupa JD Frey gebore Okt

    1898).

    Sy was getroud met Daniel Johannes Frey

    Groete Jannie Frey

    Groete

    Carol

    From: Annelie Els

    Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 1:59 PM

    To: [email protected]

    Subject: RE: [SA-Gen] Beneke x Vrey

    Hi Kobus,

    Dankie vir die.

    Ek het na dit gekyk maar die probleem is die dame se name..

    Jannie soek na

    Dina Carolina Jacoba Catharina Beneke

    Al wat dieselfde voorkom is die DINA..

    Groetnis

    Annelie Els

    Pretoria.

    Subject: RE: [SA-Gen] Beneke x Vrey

    Goeie more

    Kyk in SAG onder b15c11d5 Dina Johanna Magdalena *16 - 06 -1856 =

    George 23

    -11 -1856 x Jacobus VREY

    Groete

    Kobus Farrell

    3d. Re: Beneke x Vrey

    Posted by: "Annelie Els" [email protected] engelkind2000

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 6:36 am (PST)

    Hallo Jannie,

    Konsternasie ??? hier word dan stukke gekoukus oor jou oumagrootjie

    !!!

  • Ek wonder wie was hierdie grootjie van jou (* +- 1860s raaiskoot) se

    ouma na

    wie sy vernoem is??

    Annelie Els

    Pretoria.

    My Grootjies (Pa):-Heever x Stassen & Liebenberg x Badenhorst

    (Ma):-Vrey x Scott & Viljoen x vd Berg

    Paul se Grootjies (Pa):- Els x Schalkwyk & Badenhorst x Engelbrech

    (Ma):- Els x Vermaak & Rainer x Bruyns

    -----Original Message-----

    From: [email protected]

    [mailto:[email protected]] On

    Behalf Of Jannie Frey

    Sent: 02 February 2012 03:45 PM

    To: [email protected]

    Subject: RE: [SA-Gen] Beneke x Vrey

    Hallo.

    Het ek nou konsternasie veroorsaak???

    Jannie

    From: [email protected]

    [mailto:[email protected]] On

    Behalf Of Carol Beneke

    Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 2:43 PM

    To: [email protected]

    Subject: Re: [SA-Gen] Beneke x Vrey

    Hi Annelie en Kobus,

    Hier is die oorspronklike e-pos.

    Hallo,

    Enige kans dat daar 'n Carolina Jacoba Catharina Beneke in jou

    navorsing

    was. Sy was my ouma grootjie (moeder van my oupa JD Frey gebore Okt

    1898).

    Sy was getroud met Daniel Johannes Frey

    Groete Jannie Frey

    4. FW: Emailing: totale-Aanvalle en sterfte statistiek vanaf 1990

    tot 2

    Posted by: "Stefaans Cilliers" [email protected]

    stefaanscilliers

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 4:17 am (PST)

  • Lys lede,

    Die aanhangsel gee slegs die blankes wat vermoor en mishandel is aan

    op die

    plattelandse gebiede en sluit dus die aanvalle in stedelike gebiede

    uit.

    Volgens my inligting verteenwoordig die beskikbare statistiek

    ongeveer een

    derde van die groot totaal. Daar is in die stede dus dubbel soveel

    vermoor

    as op die platteland. Die statistiek verteenwoordig ook slegs die

    wat in die

    media verskyn het. Daar kom daagliks nog "nuwe" getalle by wat deur

    familielede verskaf word met ID no's en geboortedatums en sterfte

    datums.

    Stefaans Cilliers

    5. LDS doop rekords op FamilySearch

    Posted by: "anita slabbert" [email protected]

    anita_slabbert

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 4:45 am (PST)

    Dag mense

    Ek sien die Colesberg registers is gesorteer onder Transvaal....net

    ingeval

    iemand dit gesoek het by die Kaap. Seker maar net 'n foutjie.

    Goedgaan

    Anita

    6. [koerant] Die Burger Oos-Kaap 31 Jan 2012

    Posted by: "P Marx" [email protected]

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 4:55 am (PST)

    Sterfgevalle

    DU PREEZ, Sarel Petrus (Oupa Dup). 72 jaar. +Maandag 30 Jan 2012 op

    Uitenhage.

    Kinders, kleinkinders, agterkleinkinders. Roudiens Woensdag 01 Febr

    2012 10:00

    Ou Apostoliese kerk, Handelstraat, Despatch. Verassing privaat.

  • (Die Burger Oos-Kaap 31/01/2012) Oos-Kaap Begrafnisdienste 041 992

    5704

    ENGELBRECHT, Derek. 70 jaar. +Donderdag 26 Jan 2012. Vrou, kinders,

    kleinkind.

    Gedenkdiens Dinsdag 31 Jan 2012 NG Kerk Sunland. (Die Burger Oos-

    Kaap 31/01/2012)

    J T Schooling Ondernemers Kirkwood 042 230 0508 / 082 718 2717

    HERRIDGE, Maria Margarietha Johanna Jacoba (Poppie). +Saterdag 28

    Jan 2012.

    Kinders, kleindogter, suster. Troosdiens Vrydag 03 Febr 2012 14:00

    NG Kerk Noord-

    gemeente, Despatch. (Die Burger Oos-Kaap 31/01/2012)

    Priscilla Davis AVBOB Despatch 041 933 2039

    KLEINHANS, Cornelius Petrus. +Sondag 29 Jan 2012. Vrou, kinders,

    kleinkinders,

    agterkleinkinders. Begrafnisdiens Woensdag 01 Febr 2012 11:30 NG

    Kerk,

    St. Leonardsweg, Algoapark. Forest Hill-begraafplaas. (Die Burger

    Oos-Kaap 31/01/2012)

    Jan van der Westhuizen Algoa Begrafnisdienste 041 363 4874

    (2 berigte)

    VENTER, Hennie (Brig.) Ons gaan Hennie onthou as 'n liefdevolle

    eggenoot, pa en oupa.

    Mercia, Gerrit, Elvin, Lelani, Nydine en al die kleinkinders.

    Roudiens Dinsdag 31 Jan 2012

    14:00 NG Kerk Patmos, Kaapweg 79, Port Elizabeth. Verassing privaat.

    (Die Burger Oos-Kaap 31/01/2012) Anna-Marie First Avenue Funeral

    Home 041 581 5028

    In Memoriam

    GREEN, Daniël William. 18/06/1964 - 31/01/2010. Vrou en kinders

    Leatricia, Henrico en

    Lené. (Die Burger Oos-Kaap 31/01/2012)

    Hester Marx

    Loerie

    7. [Koerant] Die Burger Oos-Kaap 01 Febr 2012

    Posted by: "P Marx" [email protected]

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 5:04 am (PST)

    Sterfgevalle

    ALCHIN, Curt. In liefdevolle herinnering aan my vriend wat Saterdag

    28 Jan 2012

  • tragies gesterf het. Hans EISENBERG, Namibië. (Die Burger Oos-Kaap

    01/02/2012)

    BLIGNAUT, Pieter. +28 Januarie 2012. Lorraine, Morné, Sanet,

    kinders. Begrafnisdiens

    Woensdag 01 Febr 2012 14:00 NG Kerk De Mist, Uitenhage.

    (Die Burger Oos-Kaap 01/02/2012)

    LINES, Thomas. (Uncle Tommy). +Maandag 30 Jan 2012. My man vir 51

    jaar.

    Jou vrou Lillian. (Die Burger Oos-Kaap 01/02/2012)

    Hester Marx

    Loerie

    8. [Koerant] Die Burger Oos-Kaap 02 Febr 2012

    Posted by: "P Marx" [email protected]

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 5:30 am (PST)

    Sterfgevalle

    BOOYSEN, Myrtle. (gebore MAFEKING) *05/07/1953. +Sondag 29 Jan 2012.

    Man, kinders, kleinkinders. Diens Saterdag 04 Febr 2012 12:00

    Roselane

    Congregational Kerk, Uitenhage. (Die Burger Oos-Kaap 02/02/2012)

    FERREIRA, Theunissina Fredrika Catharina (Tannie Rose) née MOOLMAN.

    *25/08/1913.

    +Maandag 30 Jan 2012 op Humansdorp. Kinders, kleinkinders,

    agterkleinkinders.

    Begrafnisdiens Vrydag 03 Febr 2012 11:00 NG Kerk Moedergemeente,

    Humansdorp.

    Munisipale-begraafplaas, Humansdorp. (Die Burger 02/02/2012)

    Bokkie Els AVBOB Humansdorp 042 291 1230

    KRUGER, Johannes (Hannes). +Dinsdag 31 Jan 2012. Eggenote Rita,

    Anton, Ilse, Adam,

    Carika, Morné, Carli. Diens Saterdag 04 Febr 2012 10:00 NG Kerk

    Suid-gemeente,

    Despatch. Forest Hill-begraafplaas, Port Elizabeth. (Die Burger Oos-

    Kaap 02/02/2012)

    Priscilla Davis AVBOB Despatch 041 933 2039

    Hester Marx

    Loerie

  • 9a. Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012

    Posted by: "Johan Pottas" [email protected] pottasjj

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 5:32 am (PST)

    Dag almal

    Net om julle te laat weet dat my pa vanmiddag om 15:10 oorlede in

    Paramount, versorgingseenheid in Windhoek.

    Stuur later meer besonderhede.

    groete

    Johan J Pottas IKT / ICT

    Universiteit Vrystaat / University Free State

    Tel: +27-51-401-2767 werk

    Tel: +27-51-522-7329 huis

    Tel: +27-82-569-3727 sel

    Faks: +27-51-401-2765 werk

    Posbus 34559, Faunasig, 9325

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    beskikbaar.

    __________________________________________________________

    9b. Re: Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012

    Posted by: "janbos2000" [email protected] janbos2000

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 5:57 am (PST)

    Johan,

    Innige simpatie aan jou en jou familie. Mag die Hemelse Vader vir

    julle vertroosting bring terwyl jul oor jou vader treur.

    Groete,

    Johannes Bosch

    Virginia, VSA

  • --- In [email protected], "Johan Pottas"

    wrote:

    >

    > Dag almal

    >

    > Net om julle te laat weet dat my pa vanmiddag om 15:10 oorlede in

    Paramount, versorgingseenheid in Windhoek.

    >

    > Stuur later meer besonderhede.

    >

    > groete

    >

    > Johan J Pottas IKT / ICT

    > Universiteit Vrystaat / University Free State

    > Tel: +27-51-401-2767 werk

    > Tel: +27-51-522-7329 huis

    > Tel: +27-82-569-3727 sel

    > Faks: +27-51-401-2765 werk

    > Posbus 34559, Faunasig, 9325

    >

    >

    >

    > __________________________________________________________

    >

    > University of the Free State: This message and its contents are

    subject to a disclaimer.

    > Please refer to http://www.ufs.ac.za/disclaimer for full details.

    >

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    onderhewig.

    > Volledige besonderhede is by http://www.ufs.ac.za/vrywaring

    beskikbaar.

    > __________________________________________________________

    >

    9c. Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012

    Posted by: "Johan Vermeulen" [email protected] vermeulenjpsa

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 5:57 am (PST)

    Johan,

    My innige simpatie.

    Ons dink aan julle.

    Baie sterkte

    Johan Vermeulen.

    9d. Re: Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012

  • Posted by: "Gert Esterhuizen" [email protected] jorgeestreux

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 6:04 am (PST)

    Johan,

    Innige simpatie aan jou en die familie!

    Gert

    2012/2/2 Johan Pottas

    > **

    >

    >

    > Dag almal

    >

    > Net om julle te laat weet dat my pa vanmiddag om 15:10 oorlede in

    > Paramount, versorgingseenheid in Windhoek.

    >

    > Stuur later meer besonderhede.

    >

    > groete

    >

    > Johan J Pottas IKT / ICT

    > Universiteit Vrystaat / University Free State

    > Tel: +27-51-401-2767 werk

    > Tel: +27-51-522-7329 huis

    > Tel: +27-82-569-3727 sel

    > Faks: +27-51-401-2765 werk

    > Posbus 34559, Faunasig, 9325

    >

    > __________________________________________________________

    >

    > University of the Free State: This message and its contents are

    subject to

    > a disclaimer.

    > Please refer to http://www.ufs.ac.za/disclaimer for full details.

    >

    > Universiteit van die Vrystaat:

    > Hierdie boodskap en sy inhoud is aan 'n vrywaringsklousule

    onderhewig.

    > Volledige besonderhede is by http://www.ufs.ac.za/vrywaring

    beskikbaar.

    > __________________________________________________________

    >

    >

    9e. Re: Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012

    Posted by: "Pienie Smith" [email protected] philippinasmith

  • Thu Feb 2, 2012 6:05 am (PST)

    Johan

    Baie sterkte vir die familie. Bid vir julle vir vertroosting.

    Pienie Smith

    ----- Original Message -----

    From: Johan Pottas

    To: Buitenposten ; SAGenealogie

    Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 3:31 PM

    Subject: [SA-Gen] Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012

    Dag almal

    Net om julle te laat weet dat my pa vanmiddag om 15:10 oorlede in

    Paramount, versorgingseenheid in Windhoek.

    Stuur later meer besonderhede.

    groete

    Johan J Pottas IKT / ICT

    Universiteit Vrystaat / University Free State

    Tel: +27-51-401-2767 werk

    Tel: +27-51-522-7329 huis

    Tel: +27-82-569-3727 sel

    Faks: +27-51-401-2765 werk

    Posbus 34559, Faunasig, 9325

    __________________________________________________________

    University of the Free State: This message and its contents are

    subject to a disclaimer.

    Please refer to http://www.ufs.ac.za/disclaimer for full details.

    Universiteit van die Vrystaat:

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    onderhewig.

    Volledige besonderhede is by http://www.ufs.ac.za/vrywaring

    beskikbaar.

    __________________________________________________________

    9f. Re: Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012

    Posted by: "Annelie Els" [email protected] engelkind2000

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 6:15 am (PST)

  • Hallo Johan en Fam.

    Ons opregte meegevoel met die afsterwe van jou Pappie.

    Mag ons Hemelse Vader jul troos met die gedagte dat hy daar nou geen

    meer

    pyn het nie.

    Groetnis

    Paul en Annelie

    -----Original Message-----

    From: [email protected]

    [mailto:[email protected]] On

    Behalf Of Johan Pottas

    Sent: 02 February 2012 03:32 PM

    To: Buitenposten; SAGenealogie

    Subject: [SA-Gen] Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012

    Dag almal

    Net om julle te laat weet dat my pa vanmiddag om 15:10 oorlede in

    Paramount,

    versorgingseenheid in Windhoek.

    Stuur later meer besonderhede.

    groete

    9g. Re: Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012

    Posted by: "Daan Hamman" [email protected]

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 6:31 am (PST)

    Hallo Johan en Familie,

    Ons opregte meegevoel met die verlies.

    Mag ons Hemelse Vader julle vertroos met die wonderlike herinneringe

    wat

    julle van hom het.

    Groetnis

    Daan en Pierrette

    From: [email protected]

    [mailto:[email protected]] On

    Behalf Of Johan Pottas

    Sent: 02 February 2012 03:32 PM

    To: Buitenposten; SAGenealogie

    Subject: [SA-Gen] Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012

    Dag almal

  • Net om julle te laat weet dat my pa vanmiddag om 15:10 oorlede in

    Paramount,

    versorgingseenheid in Windhoek.

    Stuur later meer besonderhede.

    groete

    Johan J Pottas IKT / ICT

    Universiteit Vrystaat / University Free State

    Tel: +27-51-401-2767 werk

    Tel: +27-51-522-7329 huis

    Tel: +27-82-569-3727 sel

    Faks: +27-51-401-2765 werk

    Posbus 34559, Faunasig, 9325

    __________________________________________________________

    University of the Free State: This message and its contents are

    subject to a

    disclaimer.

    Please refer to http://www.ufs.ac.za/disclaimer for full details.

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    beskikbaar.

    __________________________________________________________

    9h. Re: Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012

    Posted by: "Gerhardus Frederik Oosthuizen" [email protected]

    oomoosie

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:18 am (PST)

    Johan

    My opregte medelye aan jou en jullle hele familie met jul verlies.

    Sterkte

    GerritO

    Gerhardus Frederik (Gerrit) Oosthuizen.

    2012/2/2 Daan Hamman

    > **

  • >

    >

    > Hallo Johan en Familie,

    >

    > Ons opregte meegevoel met die verlies.

    >

    > Mag ons Hemelse Vader julle vertroos met die wonderlike

    herinneringe wat

    > julle van hom het.

    >

    > Groetnis

    >

    > Daan en Pierrette

    >

    >

    > From: [email protected]

    [mailto:[email protected]]

    > On

    > Behalf Of Johan Pottas

    > Sent: 02 February 2012 03:32 PM

    > To: Buitenposten; SAGenealogie

    > Subject: [SA-Gen] Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012

    >

    > Dag almal

    >

    > Net om julle te laat weet dat my pa vanmiddag om 15:10 oorlede in

    > Paramount,

    > versorgingseenheid in Windhoek.

    >

    > Stuur later meer besonderhede.

    >

    > groete

    >

    > Johan J Pottas IKT / ICT

    > Universiteit Vrystaat / University Free State

    > Tel: +27-51-401-2767 werk

    > Tel: +27-51-522-7329 huis

    > Tel: +27-82-569-3727 sel

    > Faks: +27-51-401-2765 werk

    > Posbus 34559, Faunasig, 9325

    >

    > __________________________________________________________

    >

    > University of the Free State: This message and its contents are

    subject to

    > a

    > disclaimer.

    > Please refer to http://www.ufs.ac.za/disclaimer for full details.

    >

    > Universiteit van die Vrystaat:

    > Hierdie boodskap en sy inhoud is aan 'n vrywaringsklousule

    onderhewig.

    > Volledige besonderhede is by http://www.ufs.ac.za/vrywaring

    beskikbaar.

  • > __________________________________________________________

    >

    >

    >

    >

    9i. Re: Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012

    Posted by: "Gustav & René Pansegrouw" [email protected]

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:19 am (PST)

    Beste Johan en Eureka

    Ons innigste simpatie met julle groot verlies.

    Hartlike groete

    Staaf en René

    _____

    From: [email protected]

    [mailto:[email protected]] On

    Behalf Of Johan Pottas

    Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2012 15:32

    To: Buitenposten; SAGenealogie

    Subject: [SA-Gen] Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012

    Dag almal

    Net om julle te laat weet dat my pa vanmiddag om 15:10 oorlede in

    Paramount,

    versorgingseenheid in Windhoek.

    Stuur later meer besonderhede.

    groete

    Johan J Pottas IKT / ICT

    Universiteit Vrystaat / University Free State

    Tel: +27-51-401-2767 werk

    Tel: +27-51-522-7329 huis

    Tel: +27-82-569-3727 sel

    Faks: +27-51-401-2765 werk

    Posbus 34559, Faunasig, 9325

  • 9j. Re: Skerf POTTAS 26/04/1926 - 02/02/2012

    Posted by: "Charlie Els" [email protected] charlieels

    Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:53 am (PST)

    Ai, Johan dit bly maar 'n swaar ding. Ons dink aan jou en wens julle

    sterkte

    toe.

    CHARLIE

    -----Original Message-----

    From: [email protected]

    [mailto:[email protected]] On

    Behalf Of Johan Pottas

    Sent: 02 February 2012 03:32 PM

    To: Buitenposten; SAGenealogie

    Subject: [SA-Gen] Skerf POTTAS 26/04/19