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I am Jason Alexander Hughey, a
lover of weight lifting and vegetarian
for 6 years. Like many people I used
to workout...then quit. Growing up I
was somewhat fit thanks to varsity
track and soccer, but I was never
very muscular or strong. I wanted toprove that you can still put on
muscle like anyone else on a
vegetarian diet. I'm far from done
yet, but I have come a long way.
2.5 year progress
Stats:
Height: 6'4
Starting Weight: 170lbs
Current Weight: 212 lbs
Bulking calories 4000 +-
Cutting Calories 3200 +-
I am not sure of my one rep maxes.
Here is a sample of my stats with
perfect form:
Squat 185 5x5 to 315 5x5
Bench 175 1rm to 225 x5
Deadlift 250 x5 to 405 x5
Dumbbell Seated Shoulder Press 40s
x5 to 80s 5x5
My current training schedule 6x per
week is as follows:
Monday: Back, Calves, Abs
Tuesday: Chest, Abs
Wednesday Legs Day 1, Calves
Thursday: Shoulders, Traps, Abs
Friday: Arms, Abs
Saturday: Legs Day 2, Calves
I train legs 2x per week because 1.
They are a big muscle and can take
a lot of abuse. 2. They are stubborn
to grow. 3. Training bigger muscle
groups like legs actually releases
more hormones that help rebuild the
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muscles throughout my body. 4.
Squatting is fun
Here is a sample of my training
schedule
I officially started my training
journey 2.5 years ago. The kick off
was joining Reddit's second BTFC"Body Transformation Challenge" at
the end of August, 2011. I decided if I can stick with it for 3 months
maybe I have a chance. At the end
of the three month challenge I came
in second place. It turns out if you
actually apply what you learn you
see results!
Over the last couple years I have
continued to learn and improve myphysique. I found that I absolutely
love helping people. So much so I
started a blog to help address some
of the many common questions I see
and inspire others. Check it out here
at:
www.jasonhfitness.com
There is so much bullshit out there
that getting in great shape seems
over complicated (it was for me in
the beginning). I've applied my own
knowledge and learned "the truth" so
to speak. It's simple so don't let
anyone fool you: Eat right and train
hard. Be consistent and never look
for shortcuts. Put in the work and be
honest with yourself. Real progress
takes months. Embrace the grind and
love the hard work. It doesn't matterso much what program you follow,
especially as a beginner. It matters
that you actually FOLLOW THROUGH
and train consistently.
I recommend anyone interested in
working out to scour youtube,
google workout questions and readbooks on fitness and nutrition.
Become hungry for information. Thatis what I've done for over 6 years
now and continue to do daily. It
doesn't have to be complicated, but
there is always more to learn.
If you are interested I upload my
personal workouts each week to my
blog for subscribers. My hope is to
demonstrate what has been very
successful for me so that youmaximize your time making progress
and spend less time spinning your
wheels. By design my workouts
include explanations and are a great
place to learn about training and
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Meal 3 (post workout): 1 scoop Serious
Mass Whey Protein, 2 cups soy milk, 1
frozen banana, 1/2 cup natural peanut
butter, 1 cup water all blended
together. (1600 calories)
Meal 4: 2 Morning Star Garden Veggie
Burgers on a toasted bagel loaded with
leafy greens and some cheese.
There are many other meals Ioccasionally swap in, but the mass
gainer shakes are a daily thing.
This is over 4000 calories and about
215 grams of protein. When I lower my
calories which I am doing now I just
use less peanut butter in my post
workout shake. Doing so requires that I
add in some extra protein so I put in anaddition scoop of whey isolate protein
(25 grams) into my post workout
shake.
So yes, as a vegetarian it is WAY
easier to meet my protein levels when I
eat more. So much so it is a non issue.
Once I start to diet down I do have to
be careful. But you don't need more
than 1 gram per lb of lean body weight.People overdo protein. The concept
that has helped me the most is to eat
a diet high in carbs and fat so the
protein I do take in is conserved to
repair tissues in the body.
I have done research on soy milk since
I use it myself. If there really is any
negative side effect it is probably so
small to be undetectable. Worrying
about soy milk because of estrogencontent is also bullshit. I used to drink
a lot more vit D milk each day (I even
did GOMAD once when I was less wise
though it did help me build a lot of
muscle). I have seen no difference
drinking soy milk it works the same.
A great recipe is to take oatmeal, milk,a banana and a few spoon fulls of
peanut butter. Microwave it alltogether for a few minutes. It all melts
together and tastes amazing. Currently
eating it right now!
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[–] zumx 27 points 2 months ago
Thanks for the tips. I'm a
vegetarian as well trying to put on
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 31 points 2months ago
I recommend you read my blog
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post which applies to skinny
people trying to gain muscle.
Follow that and you will be
successful. Also subscribe to
/r/gainit which is a great
community for inspiration and
tips to gain lean muscle.
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[–] NorthernLad4 Weightlifting6 points 2 months ago
First, good job on the
progress!
Second, I'm inspired by
your gainer shake as a
method of bringing in
calories, but I can't seem
to find any natural peanut
butter such that 1/2 cup
== 1500 calories. What
brand of peanut butter doyou use?
Thanks. :)
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 5points 2 months ago
Yep that was a total
typo when I was adding
up my calories. I put in
1 cup of peanut butter
instead of 1/2. haha
now I look like a
dumbass. Haha thank
you I will correct that!
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[–] misplaced_my_pants 2 points 2months ago
Here you go.
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[–] redinator 3 points 2 months ago
What about taking soy protein
isolate instead of whey?
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[–] Kingbrandeno 4 points 2 months ago
It's .7-1.2 g of protein per kg of
body weight. I couldn't agree more
that people over consume protein.
But if you're going by lb you could
still be over consuming. Convert
your lb into kg
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adjust if you feel like you are
getting fat. I personally think
that is too low to be
maintaining a lot of muscle (But
I don't know your goals). What
is your "bulking calories"? All
that being said, if it is working
for you and you are happy keep
doing it! If you are just cutting
now after 5 years what is yourcurrent estimated bf%?
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[–] JohnCoffee23 1 point 2months ago
Yea i think the 2500 rangeseems more appropriate but
i'm kind of just testing the
waters right now, so we'll
see. Bulking calories was
around 3500-4000, my
body fat % is i would say
around 18% and i'm going
for the 10-12% range, but
i'll see what i am
comfortable with. I'm only
doing a 6 week cut since
i'm new to all of this,
thanks for the feedback.
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 1point 2 months ago
Yea sounds like that
would be a better fit for
you. I know the feeling
though. I have spent so
much time trying to
gain it feels weird to
cut. Each time I have
cut the second I feel
lean I find myself
increasing the caloriesagain haha. I just want
to keep makingprogress. Maybe in
another couple years I
will find some more
satisfaction.
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[–] JohnCoffee23 2points 2 months ago
That's the thing
about body building,
you're never
satisfied, it's weird.
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It is a gift and a
curse
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[–] MCJokeExplainer 2 po ints 2 m onthsago
As a girl on a cut seeing you get to
eat 4,000 calories a day:http://i.imgur.com/1u2L0.gif
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[–] buzz_lightyear- 7 points 2 monthsago
I'm just gonna say this: maybe for
body building purposes, worrying
about the estrogen levels in soyprotein has no purpose. However, I
think it is more of a concern withwomen especially. I was vegetarian
for a year and during that time
stopped having my period. I didn't
know at that time it was due to
soy, but that suspicion ended up
being confirmed a couple months
ago when I started drinking my
protein shakes with soy milk again.
Lo and behold, no period. As soon
as I stopped drinking soy milk, myperiod came back. So...not ALL the
worry about soy is totally wrong.
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 12 points 2months ago
If that is true it would be
something to take note of for
sure. I just googled the
question and can't find any
other examples after trying a
few searches. It could be a soy
allergy maybe? Or maybe some
people react to it differently. I
really don't know, but if I were
you I certainly would not be
drinking soy milk if there was a
clear link to losing your period.
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[–] noonehereisontrial 2 points 2months ago
So so so correct. My nutrition class
emphasizes that no matter how
athletic you are, you don't need
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more than 1g/kg, obviously if you're
trying to bulk it won't hurt you, but
it's not necessary. The emphasis
America has on protein is so
unhealthy.
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[–] audiophileguy 2 points 2 monthsago
We learned too much proteinactually can hurt you by
impairing kidney function. But
I'm guessing that 's going above
and beyond anyone's wildest
expectat ions for protein
consumption
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[–] caedin8 1 point 2 months ago
Why the soy milk though? If youare consuming Whey protein you
are consuming cow-based
products. I don't see the reasoning
behind wanting soy milk, but being
okay with Whey? In case you don't
know what Whey is, "Whey is left
over when milk is coagulated during
the process of cheese production,
and contains everything that is
soluble from milk."
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 12 points 2months ago
I understand whey is made
from milk. I wanted to cut
down on the overall dairy in my
diet. I felt it was contributing
to poor skin and my research
has led me to believe it is not
really a health food (not to say
it is unhealthy either). Though
it is awesome in terms of abalance of carbs, fat and
protein to gain weight. Soy milk
has less calories from fat but
that has nothing really to do
with my choice.
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[–] caedin8 2 po ints 2 m onthsago
Oh okay, thanks for the
clarification.
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[–] sr79 1 point 2 months ago
What is your grocery bill per week
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roughly?
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2months ago
Not too bad maybe about 50
bucks or so. I eat a lot of
peanut butter and bagels every
day. I eat really cheap in
general. I can't afford to eat 5kcalories of perfection each day.
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points 2 months ago
Your starting lifts seem very high for a
beginner, did you go to the gym a fair
amount before you started officially
counting?
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 73 points 2 monthsago*
Yes I trained in my at home gym (just
a bench and some barbells) for a
couple years before plus did some
strength training with varsity track.
Over the course of 3 years I only
added about ten lbs. My t rue starting
weight is more like 160 lbs. But I wouldtrain for a few months than totally quit
for a few months. My advantage was
the knowledge I learned about lifting.
That's partly why I was able to make
so much progress on my own in a short
time when I made the decision to
actually try.
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[–] mayonuki 22 points 2 months ago
That's really impressive to get to
benching over your weight(especially at such a tall height)
with that kind of training!
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 12 points 2months ago
I've always had trouble growing
my chest so it's nice to be
making some progress! Thank
you :)
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[–] freebird321 2 points 2months ago
What do you recommend
for stimulating chest
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strength/growth? I've been
stuck at 175 1RM for at
least a couple months now
it feels like. If it helps, my
squat and deadlift are leaps
and bounds above my
bench, I weigh in @ 185,
and I am trying to do the
powerlifting thing w/ a
texas method routine.
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[–] GunGeekATX 1 point 2 monthsago
I'm also 6'4" and one of my
goals is being able to 1RM my
body weight. My 1RM is 195lbs
right now and 220lbs body
weight, so I'm getting there.
It'll be easier if I cut another10lbs of fat.
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[–] JustWokeUp1
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months ago
It is great progress. I'm in a similar
situation, started bulking in January
and have gained 6kg but also 5%
body fat (although I think less as
my before was lower than
expected). The training though hasbeen spotty and I'm starting a
clean bulk. Should be able to get
the next 7kg or so I want then cut
back down. Did you gain much bf in
your bulk?
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 8 points 2months ago
When I was less experienced I
did GOMAD (Gallon of Milk a
Day) for 3.5 months. I actually
think it's great that I did it. I
put on a lot of muscle but also
a lot of fat. I just didn't realize
how much fat because I am tall
and all that muscle gave me
the illusion that I was leanerthan I was. I still had a 4 pack
and the shadow of a 6 pack
when I flexed. I learned from
this. In an entire year I did not
gain a single lb. Actually Igained a lot more muscle and
lost fat and was way bigger
looking the next year. But I
actually weighed the same
haha. So maybe if I didn't
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waste my time gaining so much
fat I would have not had to cut
as much. Now my main goal is
to gain slowly. .25 lbs a week is
plenty. But as a beginner it was
easier to gain muscle so our
goals have to change.
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[–] JustWokeUp1Good for one custom flair 1
point 2 months ago
Very true. Once I get to
the level I want I fully
intend to lean gain too. If
only that time wasn't so far
away.
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3points 2 months ago
When you look back itgoes way faster than
you imagine. And you
can still enjoy the
changes you see each
month!
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[–] gang_vape 2 points 2 monthsago
What in your opinion is a good
way to measure body fat? I
have some cheapo calipers but
cant tell how accurate they
are.. they seem to flex when Iapply pressure.
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Good for one custom flair 2
points 2 m onths ago
I'm lucky in that the staff
at my gym (Uni gym) do
free health asssesmentsincluding body fat checks.
They use the calipers and
seem good at using them.
The calipers look good
quality and I trust the
results. I can't vouch for
other techniques but most
seem to have a large error
deviation. The most
important thing is to be
consistent, that way
regardless of the result youget you can still record any
differences and gains.
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[–] xbuzzx108 21 points 2 months ago
No meat. No problem!
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[–] Furkel_Bandanawich 34 points 2 months ago
Good job fixing your hair.
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[–] Cavemansol 13 points 2 months ago
Sorta...
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[–] dtrainusmc Powerlifting 34 po ints 2 m onths
ago
Lol @ people asking if this guy is natty.
I forget I'm on r/fitness sometimes.
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 19 points 2 months ago
haha I know it makes me laugh. Do I
even lift?
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[–] sharpie32 8 points 2 months ago
New to /r/fitness ... What is this
"natty?"
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 18 points 2months ago
We are talking about naturalbody builders vs. unnatural
people who use performance
enhancing drugs to build muscle
such as dianabol, turinabol etc.
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[–] sosern 10 points 2 months ago
Natural, as in not using steroids
or other stuff like that.
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[–] matthewjpb 9 points 2 months ago
Wait are you saying he is or isn't?
Sorry if this is a dumb question.
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[–] Kangaroo__Court 21 points 2months ago
He very much is.
Many naturally large men who just
started lifting could put up biggernumbers within 10 months or so.
His attention and work regarding
diet and bodyfat level is what
distinguishes him from the former
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group and thus 6-pack!
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 7 points 2months ago
Bingo ;)
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[–] CoryKatherine 18 points 2 months ago
I find it EXTREMELY disheartening that thetop two comments on such an amazing,
detailed progress report are critical. Would
not be that way if vegetarianism wasn't
the subject. I am deeply impressed by OP.
Not so much by the sub.
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 7 points 2 months ago
Thank you for being so supportive! I
expect the criticism which is part of
why I am posting. I hope I tore downsome preconceived notions. Anytime
you put yourself out there or attemptanything worth while it will attract
criticism. The positive reactions like
yours remind us it's all worth it in the
end.
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[–] Screenaged 10 points 2 months ago
On behalf of people everywhere that are
sick to death of hearing vegetarian jokes
from fat guys that call themselvescarnivores: thank you.
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 6 points 2 months ago
Hahaha I'll show them what's up
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[–] DibaloHardy 41 points 2 months ago
Good job!
How do you fulfill your protein macros?
Tbh the only thing that crosses my mind
right now are beans and tofu.
What do you have to say to people who
state that soy protein is inferior to whey?
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[–] BonaFidee 117 points 2 months ago
Vegetarians can use Whey. You're
thinking of vegans.
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 55 points 2 monthsago*
As a vegetarian or vegan weight lifter
trying to put on muscle I do believe
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supplementation is very important.
People become so obsessed with eating
"clean" they end up hurting their
progress by eating nothing but
vegetables, fruits and nuts. Though I
think your diet should be high in those
foods, when you start training hard you
really need to add in high calories
meals or else your body will never be
able to add muscle. That's partly whyso many vegans and vegetarians are so
skinny. I think it has a lot less to do
with protein.
But back to the supplementation point,
it is very beneificla. I personally use
Optimum Nutrition Serious Mass 2x a
day. I also will add in a whey protein
isolate when cutting because eating
less calories means I am taking in less
protein. You need less protein than
some people would have you believe.1gram per lb of lean body mass has
been more than enough for me to make
the progress I have.
As far as soy protein goes, I drink at
least 4 cups of soy milk a day. I spent
the first 1.5 years drinking vitamin D
milk and made similar progress over
that time compared to now. Based on
my research and personal anecdotal
evidence if there is any difference it is
so small to be unnoticeable. I can'tcomment on soy based protein powders
as I have never used them at length.
But I suspect they could be very
effective and would be the second
best option if you don't eat whey.
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[–] eggn00dles 3 points 2 months ago
what do you think about
phytoandrogens? do you try toconsume these?
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[–] autowikibot 11 points 2 monthsago
Phytoandrogens:
Phytoandrogens are
substances produced in
plants which have effects
similar to testosterone in
animals.
Interesting: Phytoestrogens
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[–] Squawberry 2 points 2months ago*
Are they orally available? If
not, eating them has no
effect. My guess is they're
not. Examine article
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[–] jigal_le_puff 4 points 2 months ago*
So I'm one of those vegetarians
obsessed with eating clean and it's
destroying my wallet and making it
difficult to hit the correct amount
of calories. Where should I be going
"dirty"? What do you define as
dirty? Is it bags of chips or just
processed foods in general? Istarted using protein shakes if that
counts as dirty.
EDIT: WOW thanks everyone who
replied. Now I'm excited to try all
this food out
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[–] PuglyTaco 12 points 2 monthsago
Cheese, yogurt, avocados,
olive oil/butter, peanuts,bananas, are all high in calories
and/or protein and are
reasonably cheap. Don't resort
to eating chips and crap just to
hit your macros.
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[–] TheWhimsicalFox 3 points 2months ago
Cheese is a fucking godsend. Just a kg of cheese a
week can do wonders foradding to your bulk.
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 8 points 2months ago
haha that's great. First stop
thinking about all processed
foods as being bad. Processed
foods represent basically 99%
of everything there is to eat. In
this day and age everything is
processed at some level. My
dream is actually for sc ience to
perfect a perfect food that I
can just drink and never worry
about eating again (soylent is a
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company trying to do this).
Until then, yes protein shakes
are a great start. I recommend
going to amazon and trying
Optimum Nutrition Serious
Mass. Best value for the money
that I can find. Keep eating
clean but allow yourself some
more freedom. I use bagels and
peanut butter a lot. It is cheapand easy. Someday when I am
wealthy I can have the perfect
diet. But I have a feeling I
won't change much lol.
I would avoid things that are
obviously not going to help you
much (things that are devoid of
nutrition) like potato chips,
processed junk food and such.
You should be looking at food
more than just for caloriccontent for sure. Yes you
COULD eat a bunch of high
processed sugary and fatty
foods but your overall progress
will be hindered a bit. And when
you eat the nutrition your body
needs it pretty much eliminates
your cravings. I almost neverget junk food cravings. I also
drink a gallon of water a day on
average which helps. All that
being said, eating some fooddevoid of nutrition has not
slowed me down at all. But it is
never a main focus of daily
diet.
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[–] the__funk 31 points 2months ago
99%? Man, you gotta learn
to cook...
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[–] [deleted] 6 points 2 monthsago
yah...soylent or anything
similar is not healthy in the
slightest. it's only use is to
combat starvation in poor
countries if it can be made
for cheap. otherwise eat ingproper food is 10x better
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[–] fiddel_fabulous 2points 2 months ago
yeah I agree. i don't
knock the attempt at
perfect simple food but
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unless you do a shit ton of cardio.
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[–] kaji823 5 points 2 months ago
Vegan here.. I use tofu and vegan
protein powder. I don't really countbeans.
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[–] BrainDeadUnit 18 points 2 months ago
I don't think any science has shown
that soy is inferior to whey.
There's a lot of people who try to say
soy increases estrogen levels, but if
you spend 10 minutes on google trying
to dig up any actual scientific papers
or academic sources (or any site that
actually references their sources),
you'll see that the science that doesshow estrogen levels has been severely
flawed, and the rest show no practical
affect until you get to eating 10
packages of tofu a day or some insane
amounts like that. Protein
supplementation is fine.
In my experience, the "Soy protein
sucks" is just general bigotry of people
trying to find ways to justify their
entrenched anti-animal-harm-reductionstances.
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[–] TheIslander829 Sprinting 2 points 2
months ago
Nothing beats whey in efficiency.
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[–] Doc_ 5 points 2 months ago
'Mirin hard over here. Good shit man.
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[–] DeathIsTruth
[S ] 2 points 2 months agoThanks brah that means the world to
me
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[–] heyoh1 8 points 2 months ago
wow.. I am also vegetarian, since the
beginning of 2008 but am like you used to
be...this gives me hope and courage to
improve my body, thanks for posting!
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You're welcome! Be sure to hit up my
facebook page as I am going to be
doing a lot more on the topic of
vegetarian body building :)
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[–] afoona 6 points 2 months ago*
Great progress! Vegan female here, don't
have bulking up plans, just getting more fit,
doing a HIIT 30 days challange at the
moment and walk/cycle to work as my
aerobic fix. Hate the gym. Will try to
combine HIIT and running (5k) outside
once this challange is over. Took me awhile to understand it's a life style and not
a task.
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2 months ago
Good for you! I do some HIIT training
now and then. It is way harder thananything I ever did in high school. I
wish I knew about it then. Keep it up!
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[–] [deleted] 20 points 2 months ago
impressive! now all you need to do is to
bring back that old hair do from the before
picture
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[–] commodore-69 5 points 2 months ago
Agreed. That's a tight hairdo
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 18 points 2 months ago
Maybe that would help calm down allthis extra attention from girls. Good
point!
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[–] 8qq 11 points 2 months ago
do you ever run into girls you knew
in high school? I can only imagine
the reactions lol
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[–] why_rob_y 4 points 2 months ago
Great job! I love how high your cutting
calories are. You must be active.
I'm a vegetarian lifter, too - it's definitely
hard to make sure I get the right amount
of protein if I'm not careful, but I've found
that as long I'm actually tracking it, I do
fine.
If there are other vegetarians reading -
protein shakes help, of course, but go buy
lots of Greek yogurt (I've recently been
having Chobani Simply 100 or Dannon Light
& Fit - both have 12 grams of protein, with
only 100 or 80 calories, respectively). A
great way to get some extra protein into
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[–] Citonpyh 64 points 2 months ago
People love so much calling
"broscience" that when they hear
something actually not that stupid
they don't see the difference
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[–] nm172 11 points 2 months ago
No, it's called broscience when
pseudoscience is used to
justify something. There has
been no study proving hisclaim. A slight, 15-30 minute
hormone boost isn't going to
make a difference.
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[–] Druid51 30 points 2 months ago
I'm pretty sure Bstpitch wasn't
just c alling it broscience as a
joke, this was proven to be
ineffective. Working a "large
muscle mass" does release
more hormones, but not enough
to make a difference in the
results you get from training. It
is probably as effec tive as
taking an over-the-counter
test booster which is also
useless. If you want to get
more gainz from increased testyou have to elevate your levels
by many times fold (aka
steroids) not just a little bit.
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[–] OptimusPrime242 5 points 2 monthsago
More:
To optimally evoke TST
concentrations and further
enhance hypertrophy within thesmaller musculature, that may
otherwise only be under the
influence of GH and IGF, sessions
should be initiated with large
muscle group exercises. These
could be squats or deadlifts for
example, however these maynegatively affect subsequent
sessions that target the lower-
body musculature. Alternatively,
any of the Olympic lifts or their
derivatives could be used and
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therefore assist the t ransition
into the subsequent periodisation
phases such as strength and
power
www.researchgate.net/profile/Jere
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[–] squarebutstrong 4 po ints 2 m onthsago
It's all fine that their elevated but
by enough to make a significant
effect?
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[–] rimnii 2 points 2 months ago
slightly increase test levels dont
make a huge difference is the point
i think, there are many morebenefits from the increased test
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 56 points 2 months ago
I read it on the internet! Its gotta be
true
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[–] dtrainusmc Powerlifting 0 points 2
months ago*
It's 100% bullshit.
Lol downvoting zyzz faggots
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[–] heuschnupfenmittel 19 points 2months ago
Combo that with
There's so much bullshit out there
so check out my website
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[–] OptimusPrime242 4 points 2 monthsago
Prove it.
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[–] cochair 1 point 2 months ago
60% of the time
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[–] WapeyHapey 3 points 2 months ago
Amazing progress. I'm currently a fair bit
more muscular than your starting but no
way near your current. I would love to
have your current physique! I'm also 6'4.
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 5 points 2 months ago
Wow you should head on over to /r/tall
and you can feel short with me lol.
But seriously you can do it! Seeing as
how you are my height you are going
to need to take in more calories than
other people. And us tall guys need to
put on more muscle for it to show. ANDour range of motion for exercises like
squatting is going to be further. We
basically have to lift the same weight a
further distance each rep. But that's all
good because having a bigger body
means more room to pack on muscle. I
recommend you read the article I
posted on my blog here. I think it will
really help you. Best of luck! Let me
know if you have any questions!
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[–] WapeyHapey 1 point 2 months ago
I will check out your blog now,
keep up the hard work! I bet you'll
be pulling a lot of looks this summer
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 4 points 2months ago
Thank please do! Let me know
if there's anything you would
like me to write about. I will beupdating it usually multiple
times a week. Haha you might
be right!
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[–] WapeyHapey 3 points 2months ago
I have to say, thanks for
posting that to me (in first
reply). It was very helpful
what you have wrote. I am
definitely going to start
making myself these shakes
to help put on mass! I've
always struggled to hit high
calorie amounts despite
spending so much time
eating so this really shouldhelp me.
Things I'd mostly like to see
are just recipes for high
calorie foods, foods which
are often overlooked butvery good to eat for gains
etc.
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I'm really glad I could
help! Thank you, I
appreciate the
feedback I will make
sure I write up some
more as there are a few
others I could share
that have helped me a
lot. I think an entire
recipe section will be an
addition in the future.
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[–] tozion Weightlifting 3 points 2 months ago
You'll be surprised to know there are plenty
of vegetarian bodybuilders in India, it's
surprising what a decent source of protein
dal is. They still need whey though, and
one serving doesn't suffice IMHO.
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 4 points 2 months ago
Really? I am going to look this up
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[–] holdagold 3 points 2 months ago
I like how the selfie concept changed in
2.5 years. In the beginning, you probably
had friend to take picture of you. After
geting a better body, however, it seemsthat desocialization has been completed.
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 5 points 2 months ago
lol. I have no time for friends. The gym
is my friend now.
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[–] rickrossroll 3 points 2 months ago
Is it just me or is this just one big
advertisement for this dude's fitness blog?What's the rules in /r/fitness regarding
self-promotion like this?
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[–] QueenOfTheKitchen 13 points 2 months ago
Can I speak for all us ladies when I say
"WOW!!" You not only have an amazing
body, but you look so much more confidant
in the second photo!
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[–] negativereddit 8 points 2 months ago
Why are you grabbing your underwear like
that
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[–] MCJokeExplainer 19 points 2 months ago
Inb4 preachy vegetarian comments.
Really stoked you're posting here. Always
great to see another vegetarian showingpeople that it's very possible to make
progress without meat. Would love to seemore specifics about your diet!
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[–] A LoudMouthBaby Crossfit 20 points 2
months ago
Always great to see another
vegetarian showing people that it's
very possible to make progress
without meat.
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[–] novw General Fitness 30 points 2
months ago
To answer your question: there are
a lot of people without half a c lue.
Meat = protein = muscles is still a
pervasive misconception, and for
some it comprises the whole of
what they consider "nutrition".
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[–] ALoudMouthBaby Crossfit 13
points 2 months ago
This is certainly true among the
general public. In fitness
related groups though that this
idea could still be present at all
though is really astounding to
me. So much focus has been
made on nutrition over the last
15-20 years, anyone from the
local couch-5k completer tothe local gym hero should know
that being a vegetarian is not
even a minor obstacle to any
fitness goal. Vegan is a bit
tougher, but not by much.
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[–] MCJokeExplainer 6 po ints 2 m onthsago
You'd be surprised. I used to work
at a gym and when I told people I
was a vegetarian, they would say
"I can't do that, it'll mess up my
gains."
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[–] Nayr39 3 points 2 months ago
With half a clue? No. But most
people I've ever met that have
talked about vegetarianism think
like that.
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[–] randy9876 9 points 2 months ago
You have to have meat to bulk up.
Look at large bulky animals in
nature. Horses, cows, buffalo,
rinos. Big meat eaters.
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[–] bureX 10 points 2 months ago
Also different animals with
different stomachs and
different dietary preferences.
Whales are huge, and they eat
only plankton. You know what
to do.
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[–] Screenaged 3 points 2 months ago
I made a $10 bet with my roommate
that we would see a comment bitching
about preachy vegetarians before we
saw a comment from a preachy
vegetarian. Thank you.
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 4 points 2 months ago
Thank you :) I posted my diet here
You can read more about why I eat like
that on my recent bog post
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[–] JonnyRichter Powerlifting 2 po ints 2 m onths
ago
Wait, you train abs 4 times a week? Do you
do different exercises, or do you just think
the more often you train a muscle, thefaster it'll develop?
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2 months ago
I do different exercises, but go back to
the same ones a lot (cable crunches,ankle to bar hanging leg lifts, decline
bench c runches etc.)
No, I don't think that. Abs can take a
lot of abuse as they are designed to
stabilize your body all day. Personally Iwant a really well balanced physique
the deep blocky abs. You can train abs
everyday. I usually train them for 15-
20 minutes 4-5 times a week. I have
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about another year and a half till I get to
your level of progress. Very motivat ional.
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2 months ago
Good, I love your attitude. Don't ever
accept defeat from yourself on your
path to reach you goal. Embrace the
daily grind and love the hard work.
Time will reveal those you put in theeffort and those who half ass their
work and sabotage their own progress.
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[–] Ljppkgfgs 2 points 2 months ago
What is your favorite thing about your
transformation (which is very impressive
btw).
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2 months ago
I really like the extra confidence for
sure. The mental changes have been
the most profound
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[–] trustmeiminnocent 2 points 2 months ago*
This post inspires me. I started going
vegetarian a little less than a month ago
and I love it! This pushes me more to keep
up with it. My mile time went down from 10min miles to running 7 min and 45 secs the
other day! I'm literally in the best shape of
my life right now. My diet constitutes of
salads- olives, chickpeas, carrots, and all,
tofu- stir fry, sushi occasionally, pb&j w/
greek yogurt for breakfast, and omelets
thrown in there. Hard to eat vegetarian at
my campus, yet my mom at home has
finally accepted the vegetarian thing and
making things for me there. Awesome. -
Feel the big thing is I don't eat as much as
I should. No protein shakes now either.
Right now I squat 155 at 1RM, Deadlift 135
1RM, Bench Press 115 1RM- low numbers
to start out but I haven't been seriously
working out until I started going
vegetarian- about a month. My goal? I
want to get big, I weigh 147 at the
moment from a starting weight of 138, high
metabolism, no fat-one perk of that is abs
that I'm proud of- which is a good thing as
results show faster.
Any tips for a vegetarian trying to pack on
muscle? Any good whey protein products I
should check out? Vitamins? I love the diet
change and has turned my health around
for the better.
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2 months ago
That's awesome good for you! My main
tip is that you need to be eating
enough calories. As long as you get
about .8 grams of protein per lb of lean
body mass you will be able to gain
muscle at rate as fast as anyone else.
But if you want to gain size you haveto be eating at a caloric deficit. The
same rules apply as a vegetarian that
apply to anyone else. I do this by
drinking my calories with a mass gainerprotein shake. You might consider
adding one in once a day,
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[–] watchoutsucka 2 points 2 months ago
All I saw in my head after the pics is this.
http://cartoonician.com/wp-
content/uploads/2012/05/atlas-top-
half.jpg
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[–] yogaposer 2 points 2 months ago
Holy cow! You look fabulous! My husband
and I are both vegetarians as well. I'm a
yoga instructor and am stronger than I
have ever been but find so many people
don't think you can get protein away from
meat. Seriously, awesome job!
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[–] Rooney1986 5 points 2 months ago
I've never had anyone try to convince me
that you can't gain without meat.
It's mostly vegetarians who have pressed
this issue in my experience.
Well done though.
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 6 points 2 months ago
Good, I certainly have had people in my
personal life doubt me a lot. But they
do not anymore! Everyone always
thought I was a bit weird for eating the
way I do. Now they come asking about
how they can do it too. I think even
when I started being a vegetarian just
6 years ago the diet has grown in
popularity. I can't go to a restaurant
without a meat free option. It's pretty
common now and honestly is not a bigpart of my life or daily concern.
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Yep, you definitely look like a vegetarian.
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2 months ago
Never knew that was possible cool
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[–] Maikowski 4 points 2 months ago
vegetarian steroids?
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[–] lovedatcocaineyo 3 points 2 months ago
So much bs in this thread.
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[–] mrtony93 2 points 2 months ago
What do you tell people first, "I'm vegan"
or "I'm all natural" ?
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2 months ago
hahaha I say I'm a vegetarian. Maybe
people are too afraid to ask and learn
that I'm natural. Maybe they all
secretly judge me and assume I am
unnatural. But when I look in the mirror
all I see is how much more work I have
to do. It's all a matter of perspective. Iwill look bigger to a smaller personal
than I see myself in the mirror.
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[–] GunthorTheGreat 2 po ints 2 m onthsago
Do you eat eggs/milk products?
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2months ago
Sure do! Being a vegan is a bit
harder no doubt.
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[–] DrDeath666 2 points 2 months ago
Natural or enhanced ?
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[–] oneplusthreefour 1 point 2 months ago
Now all you have to do is get your hand
out of your pants when you take pictures
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of yourself.
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[–] TruNinja619 1 point 2 months ago
Great job!
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[–] banmenow 1 point 2 months ago
How active are you outside of the gym?
Cutting at 3200 is surprising to me - not
because I think it's high, but personally I'm
trying to cut at 1900, and I'm having a
hard time because I can't stand chicken or
egg whites anymore.. I can't stand the
thought of eating them at this point. I lift
weights 4-5 times a week, no cardio oractiveness outside of weight lifting. I'm
just 177ish, my body is pretty lean exceptthe fat seems to centralize in my stomach
and lower back.
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[–] daklu 1 point 2 months ago
do you eat eggs and milk products?
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 4 points 2 months ago
Sure do, but I try to buy the freerange eggs (even though that is more
of a marketing term) they do at least
taste better. I mainly use soy milk but I
don't avoid dairy and supplement with
whey protein each day.
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[–] dudemanbro08 [ ] 2 points 2months ago
Free range is a marketing term?
The difference between cheap
walmart eggs and true free rangeeggs is huge
Source: grew up on a small farm
and had lots of chicken farmingfriends.
I know my eggs son
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[–] wattslbef 1 point 2 months ago
How long are your workouts usually? I findit tough to get 6 different lifts in (4 sets
each) in an hour window with decent rest
time between sets, and I always find my
weights drop off towards the end of the
workout due to fatigue. Unless you take
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to about 2-3 miles before lifting
since it gives me insane shin
splints; thats when I make my
(albeit small) gains. Summertime I
usually do 5-6 @ a 7:00 pace with
mixed speed intervals and inclines
on chest/tri and back/bi/shoulder
days, and an easier 3.5 on leg
days. I guess in the summer
months I accept that my lifts aregoing to completely stall and I justhit the weights to maintain
whatever increases I made the
past winter.
Either way, congrats on the sick
gains and progress. Espec ially
without eating meat - I'm not sure
I could accomplish anything near
that.
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2months ago
Thank you, keep up the hard
work! I think that's a very
reasonable goal.
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[–] lazyslacker 1 point 2 months ago
honestly I was expecting this to be a troll
post with the same image side by side.
Good work man.
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2 months ago
haha thank you I can promise you it is
real
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[–] RemixxMG Weightlifting 1 point 2 months
ago
Did your big lifts all go up that high while
on such a high volume routine?
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2 months ago
Yes, they do. I know some people
would say my routine is too high in
volume, but my training is a mix of
strength building and hypertrophy
focused rep and rest ranges. I've found
it to be an awesome balance between
building strength and getting a nice
physique. There are some people who
don't look as good as me but they are
stronger on some lifts. There are alsosome who might be lean and ripped but
can't match me in strength. I have
been happy with where this trainingstyle has brought me. Plus, it makes
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gaining fat very difficult. This way I
spend more time putting on muscle and
less time cutting.
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[–] RemixxMG Weightlifting 1 point 2
months ago
How does it make fat gain difficult?
Is it because of the higher calorie
burn? One last thing, on your sitesome of them say " slow 4x4second count", can you tell me
what that means?
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2months ago
Good questions. It is because I
am keeping my heart rate
higher throughout my workout
by using more supersets and
taking less rest which keeps me
at a better position to burn fat.
That means that each rep
should take 8 seconds. So for a
bench press I am going to
count to 4 and will not press
the weight to the top of the
movement until I have counted
to 4. I do the same things
coming down. It is called t ime
under tension and is a method
to increase the overall timeyour muscle spends under
contract ions, thus tearing it
down and forcing growth.
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[–] RemixxMG Weightlifting 1
point 2 months ago
Nice. I always love to learn
more of the science behind
the weights. Appreciate it,
man.
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 1point 2 months ago
Anytime!
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[–] manskies 1 point 2 months ago
As a vegetarian myself, I find it hard to
hard to stay off carbs. I always eat veggie
burgers and I think the buns I eat are
killing my diet, since I'm consuming a lot of carbs. What's your diet like?
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nice work man and yeah simple lifts and
eating enough calories/protein is 90+% of
it
I'm more interested in your diet though as
that's the unique part of your story
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2 months ago
Thanks a lot I totally agree with youthere. If you haven't seen it I did write
about my diet in my blog post here
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[–] SnuggleBunnixoxo Powerlifting 1 point 2
months ago
'Mirin the physique but I couldn't hold back
my chuckle when I saw your hair in the
before pic lol. Big ups on the new doo in
the after pic.
Was it difficult to bulk on a vegetariandiet? I can imagine that eating vegetarian
would require larger portions of food to
meet your macro requirements.
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2 months ago
Yes it does require larger portions of
food. If not you really just have to
supplement more. That's why when I
am dieting down I add in some whey
isolate protein powder.
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[–] TheSyrupCompany 1 point 2 months ago
holy shit that is an impressive
transformation gotta say
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[–] TheLusciousPickle 1 point 2 months ago
Wow you give slim tall guys like me hope.
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[–] spalunk 1 point 2 months ago
Nice work, Costanza!
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[–] unkkk Military 1 point 2 months ago
Do you incorporate any running into your
routine?
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[–] DeathIsTruth [S ] 1 point 2 months ago
I do sometimes do HIIT once a week. I
have not done it in a while, so I can'tsay all the time. I mainly use my
weightlifting as a form of cardio training
due to the pace I keep in the gym.
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