epma roundtable professional punters dennis verrios
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EPMA Roundtable
PROFESSIONAL PUNTERS
EPMA Roundtable
PROFESSIONAL PUNTERS
DENNIS VERRIOS Page 1EPMA PRESENTATION
DENNIS VERRIOSDIRECTOR BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT – TOTE TASMANIA
CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER – AGILITY INTERACTIVE
4 October 2010
DENNIS VERRIOSDIRECTOR BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT – TOTE TASMANIA
CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER – AGILITY INTERACTIVE
4 October 2010
TOTE Tasmania and Agility InteractiveTOTE Tasmania and Agility Interactive
� State Owned Company in Tasmania –TOTE Tasmania Pty Ltd
� Annual turnover of >$AUD 750 (>$USD 700) million
� Primarily wagering on racing but also offer growing sports betting
� Pride ourselves on being innovative and forward looking
� Have been first to market in new technology innovations within the
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� Have been first to market in new technology innovations within the
wagering market
� Strong Partnership models – deliver TOTE prices via Betfair as well as
excellent partnerships with Market Movers
� Are constantly looking for new, innovative and engaging business models
� Agility Interactive is TOTE’s innovative customer solutions arm which
runs all Interactive business for TOTE and supports its international
business and “Very Large Professional” customers – The BETPRO Suite
My intention....My intention....
� To explain “Who or what a pro bettor/punter is”
� To explain the benefits of a pro punter to:
� Non Pros
� Industry
� Government
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� Government
� Operators
� To give you an idea of what a pro needs to operate
� To explain how TOTE and Agility service these pros
Setting the scene – We have Pros....Setting the scene – We have Pros....
Using 1993 as a base year:
�The blue line represents the total amount wagered on Racing in Australia each year
�The red line represents the hypothetical amount that Australia would have wagered
on races in Australia if they had gone up by the Reserve Bank of Australia’s inflation
rate.
As can be seen, the two lines are closely related, and as more sophisticated customers
enter the market in recent years, wagering (and pool sizes) have grown wagering to a
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enter the market in recent years, wagering (and pool sizes) have grown wagering to a
level higher than the inflation rate, illustrating the strength of race betting.
Pros start organisingPros start organising
Pros openly servicedPros openly serviced
Professional Bettors – an overviewProfessional Bettors – an overview
� One of the benefits of Pari-mutuel models is the capacity
to support professional bettors
� I have dealt with the smallest bettor to the biggest ones in
the world and categorise them into the following groups
and sub-groups:
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� AMATEUR – WANTS to WIN
• Seasonal Big Event
• Irregular – Acts on Tips
• Regular – Loves the sport of
racing or follows form
• ALL ARE ULTIMATELY SEEKING
ENTERTAINMENT AS THEIR
PRIMARY DRIVER – NOT PROFIT
� PROFESSIONAL – NEEDS to WIN
• Small Loser Professional
• Single Player Professional – low sophistication
• Single Player Professional – High sophistication
• Syndicated Major
• ALL ARE ULTIMATELY SEEKING PROFIT AS THEIR
PRIMARY DRIVER – NOT ENTERTAINMENT
Professional Bettors – an overviewProfessional Bettors – an overview
� One common thing we have seen in Australia that matches
many other countries is a long standing view that Amateurs
are good for the industry and Professionals are bad.
� This is a very outdated, closeted and technically incorrect view
� You must remember why each group is in the business of
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� You must remember why each group is in the business of
betting:
� AMATEUR = ENTERTAINMENT
� PROFESSIONAL = PROFIT
Professional Bettors – an overviewProfessional Bettors – an overview
� The general argument against professionals goes something like this... “They are a leech who takes money from the everyday small customer“
� This opinion is linked to the fact that when a professional bets they are
using intelligence and information to bet, and they bet in a disciplined
manner on OVERVALUED opportunities.
� If I tossed a coin but offered you instead of Evens ($2 return per $1) on
HEADS OR TAILS I offered $3 per $1 on heads and $2 per $1 on tails – you
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HEADS OR TAILS I offered $3 per $1 on heads and $2 per $1 on tails – you
would have to pick Heads. A professional has used “intelligence” to price
the flip at $2 on either side – but when the market offers them $3 they
buy it. Win or Lose on the single flip – this approach WILL be profitable
over the long term. Of course a horse race is vastly more complicated to
price than a coin toss.
� WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF I OFFERED YOU $3 PER $1 BET
ON A COIN TOSS ACROSS 32,000 EVENTS PER ANNUM?
Professionals: Advantages and Disadvantages Professionals: Advantages and Disadvantages
� Disadvantages
� Lower Churn for Amateur - but not substantial (around ½ a bet1)
� Reduced Profitability of Amateur - but they will never be profitable
(reduced by 9%1) – They are looking for the CORE GOAL of
ENTERTAINMENT / EXCITEMENT
� Advantages
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� Advantages
� More money for Industry = More and Better Quality Races = Excitement
and Entertainment + Employment (More information in the next section)
� Increased Memorable wins on medium and Long Shots (Favourite Longshot
Bias2
) for Amateurs due to Pros predominantly backing short to medium
runners = INCREASE OF CORE GOAL OF ENTERTAINMENT / EXCITEMENT
� Increased tools, data and products helping those who wish to exit Amateur
to become better punters – this would not have happened without Pros.
But what if the Pros get too big in the market!But what if the Pros get too big in the market!
� When considering whether to allow professionals into the
market, one should remember that they are self-regulating.
� If too many professionals are in the market they are unable to
make a profit and they then withdraw from the market. They
are unable to flood the market and so there will always be a
place for smaller punters.
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place for smaller punters.
Are they really good for the industry?Are they really good for the industry?
� There are three broad impacts a professional has on the
industry as a whole:
1. The PRO PUNTER MULTIPLIER EFFECT (PPME) – for each additional
dollar placed in the pool causes the pool to grow by a greater amount3
Final pool (Y) = small money (M) + pro money (P) Y = M + PIn the case where there are No Pros Y = M and M = m0 + m1Y
What if we add Pros? Y = m + P and P = p + p Y
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2. Lowers average transaction costs – excellent for operators and profits
3. They create a market for information and data – thereby making the
cost of it lower and more accessible to the average punter
0 1
What if we add Pros? Y = m0 + P and P = p0 + p1Y
Therefore Y = 1 / (1 Y = 1 / (1 Y = 1 / (1 Y = 1 / (1 –––– pppp1111) x m) x m) x m) x m0000
In Australia professionals add as much as:
42.9%42.9%42.9%42.9% Increases revenues to GovernmentIncreases revenues to GovernmentIncreases revenues to GovernmentIncreases revenues to Government
27.9% Increase revenues to industry27.9% Increase revenues to industry27.9% Increase revenues to industry27.9% Increase revenues to industry
Pool Estimated P1 Y = 2008 –
2009 turnover
(in millions)*
m0 (in millions) PPME %
increase from
pros
NSWTAB 15% of Pool 5,000 4,250 17.6%
UNITAB 20% of Pool 3,200 2,560 25%
The PPME in the Australian IndustryThe PPME in the Australian Industry
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UNITAB 20% of Pool 25%
SuperTAB 30% of Pool 6,400 4,480 42.9%
An increase in the value of p1 causes a disproportionally larger percentage
increase to the pool size. E.g. from p1 = 20% to p1 = 30% there is a 50%
increase, the value of the multiplier increases from 25% for UNITAB to
42.9% in SUPERTAB, which is a 71.6% increase. Therefore, the larger the
value of p1, the larger the roll on effect for the pools and the industry, with
SuperTAB using it the strongest out of the three pools in question.
* Difficult to verify the final pools – but principle is same
The Effect of the PPME on the Industry and the GovtThe Effect of the PPME on the Industry and the Govt
PaidPaidPaidPaid to:to:to:to: $$$$ before before before before
professionalsprofessionalsprofessionalsprofessionals
$ after $ after $ after $ after
professionalsprofessionalsprofessionalsprofessionals
% change with % change with % change with % change with
professionalsprofessionalsprofessionalsprofessionals
WeightedWeightedWeightedWeighted
average for each average for each average for each average for each
sectorsectorsectorsector
Government
Taxes
.0161 x Y =
16,100
.0161 x Y =
23,000
42.9%
42.9%42.9%42.9%42.9%
Increase to Increase to Increase to Increase to
GovernmentGovernmentGovernmentGovernment4444Sales Tax .0147 x Y =
14,700
.0147 x Y =
21,000
42.9%
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Racing Product
Fees
.013 x Y =
13,000
.013 x Y =
18,571
42.9%
27.9%27.9%27.9%27.9%
Increase to Increase to Increase to Increase to
industryindustryindustryindustry444450% of op’s
gross profit to
industry
.03 x M + .015 x
P = 30,000
.03 x M + .015 x
P = 36,429
21.4%
TOTAL TOTAL TOTAL TOTAL 73,80073,80073,80073,800 99,00099,00099,00099,000 34.1%34.1%34.1%34.1%
Therefore it can be seen that the introduction of professional money, has increased
government revenue (through gov and sales tax) by 42.9% and increased industry
funding (through product fees and 50% of gross revenue) by 27.9%
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SERVICING PROFESSIONALSSERVICING PROFESSIONALS
How do we service the professional?
What are the types of Professional bettors?What are the types of Professional bettors?
There are three distinct types of pros
operating in the industry who are
differentiated by the way they determine
the value of a horse (similar to stock
market analysts):
Technical ���� much like technical analysis in the stock market, technical pros observe changes in the ‘price’ of a horse in order to determine ‘the future’, and assume all
Fundamental ���� In the stock market this means someone who looks into all information regarding the share to evaluate the shares value in the future, and a fundamental pro is similar. They evaluate the entire field and determine, as a consequence of studying form and every aspect affecting the horse, what the chances
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changes in the ‘price’ of a horse in order to determine ‘the future’, and assume all information in forming that price is correct.
This can be seen with the following example: in a race of however many starters, one horse’s odds have widened to 4 to 1 while another horse’s odds have shortened to 4 to 1. In simple terms, a technical pro believes this represents that the horse whose odds have shortened has a higher chance of winning than the horse whose odds have widened, even though the same odds are being offered.
studying form and every aspect affecting the horse, what the chances of each horse of winning the race is.
Hybrid ���� uses both technical analysis and fundamental analysis to determine who will win the race. For example they may have determined the form of the race but then also watched fluctuations in the market and take note of horses coming in or out.
What are the key items required?What are the key items required?
� Technical
� Constant stream of data in regards to runners paying dividends and pool sizes
� Historical pool and price movements
� Fundamental
� Access to historical video footage
� Sectional timings (they create these if not provided)
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movements
� Advanced models regarding price movements and impact across pool types
� Fast transactional processing systems
� Detailed market information including trainers and jockey info
� Environmental data: Weather, Going etc
� Large Database and regression systems
VIP SERVICE – FIRST AND FOREMOSTVIP SERVICE – FIRST AND FOREMOST
� The CRM is the first point of contact for the clients, they are assessable 24/7
� Transfers and deposit transactions are completed upon request 24/7
� Prompt CRM service and communication (product managers speaking to
clients on a regular basis and instantly when problems occur)
� Support clients in obtaining greater profits via specialised products e.g.
Betpro.
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Betpro.
� Attend “prestige” events with clients
� Communicate “Priority” benefits to the client on a one on one basis (call,
invite out to lunch)
� The CRM division work closely with the Call Centre and IT departments to
ensure The TOTE account holder benefits are maintained and meet.
VIP TECHNOLOGY – WEBSITEVIP TECHNOLOGY – WEBSITE
� BETPRO website – www.betpro.com.au
– The BETPRO website was created as a result of demand for a high-end wagering
system for pari-mutuel racing product, It is only available to a select group of customers
– Integrates with customers, often complex, wagering strategies. This additional level of
personal service offers customer flexibility with new functionality such as the upload of
personal ratings, interrogation of rating information against current market information
and the placing of bets either manually or automated based on user defined conditions
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VIP TECHNOLOGY – BATCH BETTINGVIP TECHNOLOGY – BATCH BETTING
� BETPRO – FILEBET
– This is a simplified text file batch betting application used by a segment of customers
that owned existing wagering tools (Semi-Sophisticated) however these wagering tools
were not compatible with online interfaces. File Bet is a smart client application that
takes a batch of bets in text file format and processes them though Bet API.
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VIP TECHNOLOGY – APIVIP TECHNOLOGY – API
� BETPRO – API
– BetPro API is a collection of web services used to connect sophisticated punters with
existing wagering tools to pari-mutuel pools. In simplified terms Bet API allows a
customer to receive racing and sports information, place a bet and get detailed
transactional information, including balance, through their own unique betting system.
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VIP TECHNOLOGY – DATABASEVIP TECHNOLOGY – DATABASE
� BETPRO – PRO PUNTER FORM (PPF)
– Tool developed for small professional customers. PPF allows customers to record their
personal form information in a user friendly database. New input variables can be
created on-the-fly by the customer without need for a developer resource.
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VIP TECHNOLOGY – BETBOTVIP TECHNOLOGY – BETBOT
� BETPRO BETBOT Solution
– Rules based automated betting system that draws information from a diverse range of
race data sources. BetBot allows a customer to validate runner selections against a
variety of predetermined rules or specifically created rules in order to determine value.
Upon determining a value bet, BetBot will begin it’s automated place bet function into the
pools selected by the customer. Upon completion of the placebet function BetBot will
continually re-assess runner selections for value bets until the event has closed. This
product is intended to run autonomously with minimal ongoing input from the operator.
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VIP TECHNOLOGY – BUSINESS PROVIP TECHNOLOGY – BUSINESS PRO
� BETPRO BETBACK Solution
– Automated Risk Management solution of placing bets both in attended and unattended
mode to allow a bookmakers or punters exposure on certain events and outcomes to be
placed back into the market thereby either reducing or negating the position. This
includes, but is not limited to, the exposure at a book or customer level and will also allow
certain positions to be followed allowing the system to take advantage of market
intelligence provided by a bookmaker's customer's actions
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VIP DATAVIP DATA
� Advanced Data - Dataflows
– A state of the art – PUSH Datafeed that alerts customers of every price and
pool change
� Price and Pools Databases
– We maintain one of Australia’s largest and complete price movements
database.
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� Historical Form
– We purchase from key suppliers large volume and high quality historical form
VIP REWARDSVIP REWARDS
� For LARGE (>$5m per annum) we have a banded rebate system – below
this it is inefficient to offer as a cash rebate (as it is not churned again)
� For SMALLER PRO’s we have Evolution Rewards. This was the first loyalty
program introduced to the Australian wagering industry launched in 2008
� There are 4 member status levels which accumulate points at different
rates per dollar of turnover depending on annual turnover with the TOTE.
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rates per dollar of turnover depending on annual turnover with the TOTE.
� VIPs belong to Platinum & Gold: contribute 86% of ALL points
accumulated through the program;
� Existing members of the TOTE who joined the Evolution Rewards program
have increased their average monthly turnover by 15.6%;
� Monthly promotions to Evolution Rewards members have resulted in
average increases of 19.1% in turnover for the promoted products,
resulting in increases in incremental revenues with total R.O.I of 68.4%;
Please note the maths in this section is indicative and an
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MATHSMATHS
Please note the maths in this section is indicative and an
opinion. The maths is reflective of the principles that we
have seen at work.
1 HOW DID WE ARRIVE AT THAT?
How did I arrive at that? Some basic maths…
1 HOW DID WE ARRIVE AT THAT?
How did I arrive at that? Some basic maths…
ASSUMPTIONS NO PROS LOW CASE AVG CASE HIGH CASE
PROF: Share of Pool 0.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0%
Failing Pros 10.0%
AVG Takeout Rate 15.6%
PROF: Win Rate 0.0% -4.0% 0.0% 4.0%
Average Industry Return 4.0%
AMATEUR BETS $ 100.00 $ 100.00 $ 100.00 $ 100.00
PROF BET $ - $ 25.00 $ 25.00 $ 25.00
TOTAL POOL $ 100.00 $ 125.00 $ 125.00 $ 125.00
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TOTAL POOL $ 100.00 $ 125.00 $ 125.00 $ 125.00
TAKEOUT $ 15.60 $ 19.50 $ 19.50 $ 19.50
INDUSTRY REVENUE $ 4.00 $ 5.00 $ 5.00 $ 5.00
PROFESSIONALS RETURNS (after Failing Pros) $ - $ 21.60 $ 22.50 $ 23.40
AMATEUR RETURNS $ 84.40 $ 83.90 $ 83.00 $ 82.10
AMATEUR LOSS $ 15.60 $ 16.10 $ 17.00 $ 17.90
CHANGE IN LOSS 3.2% 9.0% 14.7%
AMATEUR $ CHURN 6.4 6.2 5.9 5.6
CHANGE IN $ CHURN 0.2 0.5 0.8
� The argument is even better when you look at complex exotics – with
almost no loss and mostly gain from every $ from a Professional
2 HOW DID WE ARRIVE AT THAT?
Economic Theory – it’s complicated!
2 HOW DID WE ARRIVE AT THAT?
Economic Theory – it’s complicated!
� The Favourite Longshot Bias (FLSB) means that, on average, punters tend
to overvalue "long shots" and undervalue favourites. That is, in a horse
race where one horse is given odds by a Bookmaker of 2 to 1, and another
50 to 1, the true odds (as determined by an efficient market mechanic
such as Pari-Mutuel) might for example be 2 to 1 and 100 to 1
respectively. Betting on the "long shot" is therefore a much worse
proposition than betting on the favourite.
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proposition than betting on the favourite.
3 HOW DID WE ARRIVE AT THAT?
The PPME – Part 1
3 HOW DID WE ARRIVE AT THAT?
The PPME – Part 1
To illustrate the effect of the PPME – some basic maths is used:
Final pool (Y) = small money (M) + pro money (P) Y = M + P
In the case where there are No Pros
- each dollar added to pool by professionals adds more
than a dollar in total
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In the case where there are No Pros
Y = M and M = m0 + m1Y
m0 = a bet placed regardless of pool size; an entertainment bet
m1 = a bet that is influenced by pool size
� As small punters place bets for entertainment it is likely that the value of
m1 is very close, if not equal to zero
Therefore we can say Y = m0
3 HOW DID WE ARRIVE AT THAT?
The PPME – Part 2
3 HOW DID WE ARRIVE AT THAT?
The PPME – Part 2
What if we add Pros?
Y = m0 + P and P = p0 + p1Y
p0 = a bet placed regardless of pool size; an entertainment bet
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p1 = a bet that is influenced by pool size
�As pros bet for monetary gain it is likely that the value of p0 is
very close if not equal to zero
Therefore Y = m0 + p1Y
After finding this we can use algebra to find the value of Y:
Y = m0 + p1Y
Y – p1Y = m0
Y (1 – p1) = m0
3 HOW DID WE ARRIVE AT THAT?
The PPME – Part 3
3 HOW DID WE ARRIVE AT THAT?
The PPME – Part 3
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Y = 1 / (1 – p1) x m0
Therefore it can be seen that the final pool is dependant on both
the investments of the small punters and also the amount that
professional punters bet dependant on the size on the final pool
As seen before, Australian professionals account for 30% of the final SuperTAB pool, and let’s therefore presume, given the market is self correcting and at a mature stage professionals are aiming for (30%) of the final pool. Therefore p1 = .3, and let’s say that m0 = 1,000,000
Y = 1 / (1 - .3) x 1,000,000
3 HOW DID WE ARRIVE AT THAT?
The PPME – Part 4
3 HOW DID WE ARRIVE AT THAT?
The PPME – Part 4
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Y = 1 / (1 - .3) x 1,000,000
Y = 1 / .7 x 1,000,000
Y = 1,428,571
As can be seen, with the professionals aiming for 30% of the pool, they have unintentionally made the pool grow by 42.9%, and this would hold true regardless of the size of m0
4 HOW DID WE ARRIVE AT THAT?
The Effect of the PPME on the Industry and the Govt
4 HOW DID WE ARRIVE AT THAT?
The Effect of the PPME on the Industry and the Govt
Background � The weighted average commission rate is 16.1%. This is then divided up by:
After running costs the operator has 6% gross profit from ‘small money’ and 3% gross profit from professionals. Of this, 50% is given back to the industry in the forms of sponsorship, facilities upgrades, etc.
Of the 16.1%Of the 16.1%Of the 16.1%Of the 16.1% Of the total Of the total Of the total Of the total
poolpoolpoolpool
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facilities upgrades, etc.
The affect of professional on the industry and government will now be explored, with m0 = $1,000,000 and p1 = .3 like in previous examples.
poolpoolpoolpool
Government
Taxes
10% 1.61%
Sales Tax 9.1% 1.47%
Product Fees 8.1% 1.3%
Operator 72.8% 11.72%
Thank you for your time. Please feel free to contact me
regarding any questions or alternative points of view:
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QUESTIONSQUESTIONS
regarding any questions or alternative points of view: