dave asprey: many people in the bio hacking community ......people who are committed to the...

DaveAsprey: Manypeopleinthebiohackingcommunityhavehadtroublewithhowmuchtheyoverpaytheirlifeinsuranceproviderbecausethesecompanieshaven'tcaughtupwithnewscientificstudiesthathavechangedthewaydifferentdiettypesandexercisesareviewedbythescientificcommunity.Forexample,peoplewhoarecommittedtotheBulletproofDietmayhaveanincreasedlevelofagoodkindofcholesterolcalledHDL,butsomelifeinsurancecompanieslumpallcholesterolintoonenegativecategoryliketheywerecreatedinthe1950s.Wait,that'sbecausetheywere.Adecisionlikethiscangreatlyincreasewhatyouwouldpayforlifeinsurance.

Well,HealthIQisacompanythat'sdecidedtochangethat.HealthIQadvocatesforahealth-consciouslifestyle.They'veusedscienceanddatatofightforlowerratesonlifeinsuranceforhealth-consciouspeopleincludingcyclists,runners,vegansandvegetarians,weightlifters,andotherpeoplewhoareondietsthatactuallymakethemfeelbetter,performbetter,andlivelonger.Infact,researchhasshownthatpeoplewithahighhealthIQare42%lesslikelytobeobeseandhavea57%lowerriskofearlydeath.

Manypeopledon'tevenknowtheirHealthIQ,letalonerealizetheycangetalowerrateduetohavingahighhealthIQ.HealthIQhasspecialratesonlifeinsuranceforthehealthconsciousandrightnow,Bulletprooflistenerscanlearnmoreandgetafreelifeinsurancequotebygoingtohealthiq/bulletproof.That'shealthiq.com/bulletprooftolearnmoreaboutlifeinsuranceforpeoplewhocareabouttheirhealth.

Speaker1: BulletproofRadio,astageofhighperformance.

DaveAsprey: You'relisteningtoBulletproofRadiowithDaveAsprey.Today'scoolfactforthedayisthatwell,Ididn'tprepareacoolfacttodaybecausethisisaliverecordinginpersonwithmydearfriend,JJVirgin.Ifyou'rearegularlistener,you'veheardmesharemylistofTop10biohacks.Let'stalkaboutNumber9.FunhacksfortheBulletproofmind.Itmaysoundweird,buthangingupsidedownisagreatwaytohackyourbrain.Regularlyinvertingtrainsyourbraincapillariesmakingthemstrongerandmorecapabletobringoxygentoyourbrain.It'sprettystraightforward.Moreoxygeninthebrainmeansbetterperformance.

IgetmydailystretchandmydoseofoxygenwithmyTeeterInversionTable,whichissoessentialforoptimumfocus,concentrationandmentalenergy.Thatfullbodystretchelongatesthespineandtakesthepressureoffthediscssotheycanplumpbackup.Lesspressuremeanslesspain.Ifyouhavebackpain,evenifyou'vebeenluckyenoughtoavoiditsofar,youreallywantaTeetertoinverteverydaytokeepyourbackandjointsfeelinggreat.

Forover35years,Teeterhassetthestandardforqualityinversionequipmentyoucantrust.MyfriendsoveratTeeterhavedecidedtoshowsomeloveto

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Bulletprooflisteners.Foralimitedtime,youcangettheTeeterInversionTablewithbonusaccessoriesandafreepairofgravitybootssoyoucaninvertathomeortakethebootswithyoutothegym.Togetthisdeal,whichisasavingsofover138bucks,gotogetteeter.com/bulletproof.You'llalsogetfreeshipping,anda60-daymoneybackguarantee,andfreereturns,sothere'sabsolutelynoriskforyoutotryitout.Remember,youcanonlygettheTeeterwithbonusaccessoriesandafreepairofgravitybootsbygoingtogetteeter.com/bulletproof.G-E-T-T-E-E-T-E-R.com/bulletproof.Checkitout.

JJhasbeenonBulletproofRadiobefore.She'sawell-knowncelebrityfitnessandnutritionexpert,fourtimesNewYorkTimesbestseller.We'reheretodaynottotalkaboutthingslikethesugarimpactdiet,buttotalkaboutsomethingthatgoeswaydeeperthanthat.JJ,abouthowmanyyearsagowasthisnow?

JJVirgin: Four?

DaveAsprey: Fouryearsago.ThisisaboutayearafterImetJJ.Heryoungestson...

JJVirgin: It'sactuallymyolderone.Bryceistheyoungerone.

DaveAsprey: Bryceisyouryoungone?

JJVirgin: Iknow.Heseemslikehe's80.

DaveAsprey: Ohmygod.Okay.

JJVirgin: He'sYoda.

DaveAsprey: Anyway,JJ'sson,Grant,who'sheroldersonIjustfiguredout,washitinareallyterriblehitandrun,givena5%chanceofliving.

JJVirgin: .25.

DaveAsprey: .25.See?

JJVirgin: No.Heactuallygotnochanceforliving.

DaveAsprey: Really?

JJVirgin: Nochanceatall.No.Thatwasifhe...Well,we'lltellthestory.

DaveAsprey: Allright.

JJVirgin: MaybeIshouldtellthestory.

DaveAsprey: Well,I'mjustintroducingthestory.Trustme.


JJVirgin: He'ssettingthisup.

DaveAsprey: I'mdoingmybesttosetitup.

JJVirgin: Hewasgivennochanceforlife.Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Hewasinaverybadway.JJ,inthetimesincethen,hasdonefranklymiraclesbecauseGranthadmassivetraumaticbraininjury,whichissupposedtobelife-ending.He'snowbacktobetterthanbefore.JJandIareheretotalkaboutwhatshedid,whatworked,andhowshepulledoffwhatisquiteliterallyamiracle.JJ,wasthatagoodsetupforyou?

JJVirgin: Thatwasawesome.Thankyousomuch.

DaveAsprey: Allright.

JJVirgin: Goodjob.Goodjob,brotherDave.YouknowIrefertoyouasbrotherDave.Mycommunityactuallythinksthatyou'remybrother.

DaveAsprey: Thatwe'rerelated?

JJVirgin: Couldyouaskyourbrother?

DaveAsprey: Wekindoflookrelated.

JJVirgin: Wedo.Wedolookrelated.

DaveAsprey: That'sfunny.

JJVirgin: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: We'rejustgoodfriends.Whathappened?WalkmethroughthedaythatGrantgothurt.Telltheaudiencewhathappened.

JJVirgin: Iwasactuallyouttaping.IwasgettingreadyforTheVirginDiettocomeout.Iwasliterallyacoupleofweeksbeforethatwashittingandsoyouknowwhatthat'slike.

DaveAsprey: Thelistenersdon't.Tellthemwhatabooklaunchisactuallyabout.

JJVirgin: Here'swhathappenswhenyourbookisabouttocomeout.Ihadapublictelevisionshowthatwasgettingreadytoair.Ihadthisbookabouttocomeout.IhadinvestedeverythingIhadandthensome.I'dgoneintodebttolaunchthisbecauseIjustknewthatthiscouldbealife-changinginformationthatIhadtogetouttotheworld.IamthesolefinancialsupportformyfamilyandIhavetwoboys,15and16atthetime.Thishastowork.Thisisn'toptional.I'vebeen


workingalldaylongdoingvideo.Icomehomeandmy16-yearoldsonisinamood.

DaveAsprey: Thisgoestoallthe16-yearoldsonsoutthere.

JJVirgin: Yes.Hewantstogotomartialartsbuthehadn'tgonetoschoolthatdaybecauseheorhe'dleftschoolbecausehehadaheadache,amigraine,buthedidn'tgetmigrainesoIwaslike,"Mm-hmm."Hehadamiraculous,spontaneoushealingexperienceandhewasnowfine.

DaveAsprey: Shocking.

JJVirgin: Shocking.Wehavearule.Ifyoucan'tstayinschool,youdon'tgettogodothefunthinglater.Totallyreasonable,butnottohim.Hekeptescalatingthesituation.Iwaslike,"You'renotgoing.You'rejustnotgoing."Hegetsmadatme.Hesays,"I'mnotasstrongasyouthinkIam,"andstormsoutofthehousebarefootwithnothing.

DaveAsprey: Wow.

JJVirgin: Itisdusk.Myothersoncomesout,Bryce.Hesaysthat,"Wow.Whatajerk."I'mlike,"Right?"Igointhegarage.I'mworkingout,andI'mdoingmybursttraining,andthenextthingIknow,myson,Bryceandmyex-husbandcomesstormingintothegarage.Theygo,"Granthasgottenhitandhe'sbeenairliftedtothelocalhospital."Now,theonlyreasontheyevensawhimwastheyweregoingout.Theyweredrivingoutandtheysawthisbigaccidentandwentandaskedwhathadhappened.ThispoliceofficerlookedatBryceandsaid,"Akidgothit."Helookedjustlikehim.

DaveAsprey: Wow.

JJVirgin: Thishadtohappenbecauseiftheyhadn'tseenthatandthat'swhythere'slittlemiraclesallalongtheway.Youcouldhaveframedthisas,"Oh,mygosh.Thatwastheworstthing."Therewasamiracleone,forustoevenfindouthe'dbeenairliftedbecauseifwehadn'tseenhim,hewouldhavediedinthehospitalbeforeweevenknewhewasaJohnDoe.Wegettothehospital.Wegetusheredintoaconferenceroom.Thisisanotherthing.Ifyougetusheredintotheconferenceroom,thisiswithaverygrimlookingdoctor,you'rescrewed.You'rescrewed.We'reallinthereandhesays,"Yoursonwasavictimofahitandrunandhehasatornaorta."Nowthat'swhattookdownLadyDi,PrincessDi.90%ofthepeopledierightonthescenewithatornaorta.

He'sgotmultiplebrainbleeds.They'recalleddiffuseaxonalinjuries.He'sinadeepcomaandhe'sgot13fractures.Whenwewenttoseehim,halfofhisbodywascoveredinroadrashwithbigpiecesofglassstickingoutofhim,andhisboneswerestickingthroughhisskin.Irememberlookingatthatgoing,"That'shisbonesstickingthroughhisskin."Unbelievable.Theygo,"Wecan'tfixhim


herebecauseifwedon'tfixhisaorta,sometimeinthenext24hours,it'sgoingtorapture,butwecan'tfixitherebecauseweneedabloodthinnerhereatthishospitalsohisbrainwillbleedout.Youbasicallyhavehisbrainorhisheartbutyoucan'thaveboth."

ItturnsoutthatthereisadoctorwhocandothiswithoutabloodthinneroveratHarborUCLAtwoandahalfhoursaway.Thethingisthough,thedoctorsaid,"Yeah,buthe'snevergoingtosurvivethatairlift.Evenifhedid,hewon'tsurvivethesurgeryandevenifhedid,he'dbesobraindamaged,itwouldn'tbeworthit."Bryce,the15-yearoldatthattimesays,"So,likea.25%chance?"Thedoctorsaid,"Yeah.That'saboutright,son."Brycegoes,"We'lltakethoseodds."

DaveAsprey: That'sawesome.

JJVirgin: YouknowBryce.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.That'sverymuchlikeBryce.

JJVirgin: YoucouldtotallyseeBrycedoingthat.

DaveAsprey: Hedidthreeflips.BrycewasonstageattheBulletproofConferencedoingtricking,whichisparkourwithmorestyle.

JJVirgin: That'sagoodwaytoputit.

DaveAsprey: He'sacoolguy.

JJVirgin: He'sacoolkid.Allofus,Virgins,werenotpatientandwedefyauthority.Myex-husbandwasamedmaltrialattorney,sowe'realllooking,we'relikegoing,"No.We'reoverrulingyouandwe'regoingtodothis."Grantgotairliftedtothishospital.Wehadnoideadrivingdownthereifwearepickingupabodyornot.Inordertoairlifthim,andthisisanothermiracle,adoctorfromtheotherhospital...Firstofall,wehadtofindthisonedoctorthatcoulddothesurgeryandthereareveryfew.There'soneinSouthernCalifornia.Thisguy,CarlosDonayre.Amazing.Angel.Hehadtoacceptthecasebecausetheminutehorsedoctoracceptsthecase,theotherhospitalrelinquishesit.Youknewthishospitalwaslike,"Here,takehim.Thereyougo."

DaveAsprey: Complicated.

JJVirgin: Yeah,monkeyonyourback.Hehadtonotonlytakethecase,hehadtoassemblehiscardiothoracicteam,andneurosurgeryteam,andorthopedicteam,acriticalcareteambothforadultsandpeds.Hehadtodoallthat.It'snowmidnight.

DaveAsprey: Wow.


JJVirgin: Okay.Hehadtogetthestenttoputinandthestenthewantedtousewasonethathehadusedandpartoftheclinicaltrialthatwasover.

DaveAsprey: Wow.

JJVirgin: Twoweeksbefore,sowehadnone,andwasnotallowedtobedoneinkids.Hefigured,hesaid,"IfiguredI'daskforforgivenesslater.Ijustneedtokeephimalive."Hedoesallofthis.

DaveAsprey: That'samazing.

JJVirgin: Hedoesallthis.Wegetthereat4:35inthemorningandhehasnowputthiswholethingtogether.Ifindthisoutwaylater.Iwalkin,hegoes,"You'rethemom?"Hegoes,"Listen,Igotthis.Idothisallthetime.Ihadsomeonethrownupanoverpasslastweek.Ifixedthem.Don'tworryaboutit.Youjustgoupstairstothewaitingroom.I'llfixhim.I'llcomegetyou."

DaveAsprey: Wow.

JJVirgin: Whosaysthis,right?Wegouptothewaitingroom.Now,afterthefact,GrantdescribeswhatJohnwaswearing,myex-husbandinthewaitingroom.

DaveAsprey: Hewaspresentthewholetimeeventhoughhecouldn'tmoveortalk.

JJVirgin: Thisiscrazystuff.Hewaswayoverthere.Whenwewalkedintotheroomwheretheyweregoingtofixhim,hesawneversawus.Hewasinacoma.Hiseyesareclosed,andhe'sdescribingwherewewereinthewaitingroom,andwhatJohniswearing.I'mlike,"Huh?Okay."Thedoctorcomesin.Hegoes,"Okay.He'sfixed.Ididit."Hegoes,"Now,hisbrain,Idon'tknow.That'snotmypart.I'mtheplumber."

DaveAsprey: God.It'snotwhatamomwantstohear.

JJVirgin: It'slikeyou're,"Hi,"thenyou'relike,"Bumf."Wegointoseetheneurosurgeons,they'relike,"Wedon'tknowifhe'lleverwakeup,honestly."I'mlike,"La,la,la,la."ThenwewalkintotheICU,andI'mwatchinghim,andIlookedoveratJohn.Ifyou'reaparent,you'regoing,therearesometimesyouwishyouhadado-overopportunity.I'mlookingoveratJohnandwe'relike,"Wegotadooveropportunityhere.Weliterally[do00:11:53]."Iwaslike,"Ithinkwegotadoover."

He'sgoingtobe110%.Wejuststartedoperatingfromthatprinciple,whichwashonestlyaridiculousconceptatthetimewhenyourson'sinacomaandthey'renotevensureifhe'sgoingtomakeitthroughthenextnight,oreverwakeup,oreverwalkandwehavenoidea,butIjustoperatedfromhe'sgoingtobe110andI'vebeenoperatingfromthatpointforward.Hehadtohavetwofemursputin.Bothhisfemurs[inaudible00:12:21]andtheyhadtodothatbackdated


doubleorthopedicteamsworkingonhim.Hehadacrushedheelthatusuallypeoplewillneverwalkagainwithpinandanopenwound.They'relike,"We'rejusttryingtogethimtoeverwalkagain."Igo,"Youknow,whatwouldhappenifKobeBryantwereinthisbedwiththat?BecauseI'mprettysureyouwouldn'tbesayingthat."

DaveAsprey: Wow.

JJVirgin: "That'swhatIwantyoutodohere.Bytheway,don'ttalkabouthimlikethatwhenhe'shere."Wehadatotalmanagementofhisenvironment.Youcouldnotwalkinandsayanyofthiscrap.

DaveAsprey: Iwisheverydoctorwouldhearthatandjusttakeittoheart,butyeah,peopleareawareandthere'sevenstudiesaboutthat.

JJVirgin: Yes.Yes.

DaveAsprey: Youdon'tsaybadthingsaboutpeoplewhenthey'reunconscious.

JJVirgin: WhenGrantdescribedwhatJohnwaswearingandthenIwouldsitbyhisbedside,I'mlaunchingthisbooksoI'mfullcorepress.Ihavetomakethebookworkbecausenow,Godknowswhatthisisgoingtocost.Let'sfaceit,alotofthestuffthatwe'vedoneisnotcoveredbyinsurance.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.

JJVirgin: Infact,it'snotprobablyeven[crosstalk00:13:19].

DaveAsprey: It'snotonthemenu.

JJVirgin: No.Yeah.Itwasn'ton.Itwasn'tevenanappetizerorasidedish.Thiswaswayoffthemenu.HerewearedoingallofthisstuffandGrantsaystomelater,hegoes,"Mom,thegraymancamedownandaskedmeifIwanttoliveordie."

DaveAsprey: Wow.

JJVirgin: "Ididnotwanttolive,"butIliterallywouldsitintheICUwithmylaptopopenandI'djustbetellinghim,"Yeah.I'mworkingonthebook."I'mansweringemails,justtalking.

DaveAsprey: Talkingtohimthewholetime.

JJVirgin: I'mjusttalkingtohimbecauseIwouldwalkinifhisbloodpressurewaselevatedandit'dcomedown.Iwasjusttalkingandhegoes,IkepthearingyoutalkingsoItoldthatgrayman,"Ididn'twanttolivebutItoldhimIwantedtolivebecauseIkepthearingyourvoice."


DaveAsprey: Wow.

JJVirgin: I'mlike,"Iknewit."Ijustcouldfeelhim.

DaveAsprey: Wow.

JJVirgin: Icouldfeelhim.Therewasthisenergyworker.Iwilltellyou,I'mveryleft-brainedandyou'vegottogivemescience,yougottoproveit.Allthatgoesoutthewindowwhenyourson'shoveringbetweenlifeanddeath.You'relike,"Sure,sendtheholywaterandessentialoil.Senditall."

DaveAsprey: Ifitmightworkandit'snotgoingtobeharmful.

JJVirgin: Yeah,senditonover.Wehadsomeonecomingin,Dr.AnnMeyer,whoworksatCedarsintheirBrainTraumaUnit.Sheshowsupinthefirstcoupleofdayswithessentialoils.Shestartsdoingthis.Grantstartswigglinghisnose,wigglinghistoes.I'mlike,"Okaythen."WestartrubbingprogesteronecreamonhimbecauseDr.AnnaCabecagotmeintouchwithDr.DonaldStein.Hedidalltheprogesteroneresearch.Iputanemailouttomywholecommunity.I'mlike,"Whatyougot?"DanielAmenwascomingoverwithTanabringingfood,[inaudible00:14:52].Ihadallthesepeopleoveratthehospital.Iwaslike,"Whoareyou?Whatareyoudoing?"Thenwestarteddoingfishoil,whichwassuperfrustrating.

IactuallysawSanjayGuptaattheGreenRoomatAccessHollywood.Itoldthemaboutthis,sothiswasonCNN.Theyfeaturedthis.Hewasonfishoilbeforetheaccidentandthisissuperimportant.ThisiswhatI'mgoingtogetoutthere.Therearecoupleofthingsthatarenowmylife'spassion,onethatabraininjurycanbe...Ithinkwe'reabouttobeabletodotheCword,thecurewordonit,butabraininjurycanbehealedandit'snotamatteroftimebecauseIwastold,"Oh,it'sjustthebrainhasitsownhealingschedule."I'mlike,"No,itdoesn't."

Thisistimeisoftheessence.Atanypoint,ifyou'relisteningtothisandyou'vehadabraininjurybecause,mostlikely,youhave.17millionpeoplehaveabraininjuryeveryyear.Mostpeopledon'trealizetheydid.Theydon'tunderstandwhythey'realittledepressed,ormoody,ormaybeevensuicidal,since25%ofpeoplewithbraininjuryhavesomesuicidalideationorattemptit,whichisjustdevastating.Thesethingswillworkevenifyou'vegotanoldbraininjuryandthat'swhat'ssupercool.WehadGrantonfishoilpriortothiswholethingandthisisimportantbecauseyouneverknowwhenyou'regoingtohityourhead.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.

JJVirgin: Doyou,Dave?

DaveAsprey: Iprobablyhitmyheadacoupleoftimesthisyear.


JJVirgin: Yes.I'msorry.Ididn'tmeantolaughaboutthat.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,becauseyoumademehitmyhead,justsowe'reallclearonthis.

JJVirgin: WemighthavehadalittletussleandImighthavewon.Anyway,floatthatoutthere.We'llleavethatbe.Youneverknowwhenthisstuffisgoingtohappen.Mysonwasonfivegramsoffishoilpriortoallofthis.Ibelievethat'swhat...

DaveAsprey: Ahighdose.

JJVirgin: Hehasbipolardisorder.

DaveAsprey: Okay.

JJVirgin: Fishoilisneuroprotective.Really,whatyoushoulddoisyoushoulddosomeOmega3testing.YoushouldbalanceyourOmega3s,doafourtooneratioofsixtoone's,andhavethatdialedintoproducetheoxstateofOmega3.

DaveAsprey: Bytheway,ifyoureadJJ'sbook,youreadmybook,herTheSugarImpact,youreadtheBulletproofdiet,webothtalkabouttheimportanceofthatfatratiobecausethatOmega6,toomuchOmega6isreallybadinflammatoryforthebrain.

JJVirgin: Notenough,too.It'simportantbecausethenpeoplego,"Oh,I'mjustgoingtogocrazyontheOmega3s."Youneedthatbalance.Youneedtheinflammation,anti-inflammationbalance.It'sallgottobethere.Anyway,thehospitalwouldn'tletmegoovertwogramsbecausetheywereafraiditwasgoingtoincreasebleedingtime.There'snotonestudyevertoshowthisandsowhatIdid...

DaveAsprey: Really?

JJVirgin: Zero.There'snotonestudy.Dr.BarrySearsgavemealloftheresearchbecauseBarrySearsandDr.MichaelLewis,whobothwerehelpingme,acouplemoreofmyangels.

DaveAsprey: Barry'sagreatguy.

JJVirgin: Ohmygosh,theydidthe[inaudible00:17:43]stuff,thecoalminerstuff,sotheyweredoingalloftheworkthatyouseeoutthere.Ihadalltheresearch.Itookittothehospital.Theysaid,"Oh."TheytookittotheirIRB.I'mlike,"Oh,great."SanjayGuptatoldmethathehasparentslyingdownsaying,"You'regoingtohavetogetsecurityguardsoutorgivemykidfishoil."Hesaidthey'dbeentakingbluebabiesoffthebottomofpoolforceandbringingthemback.

DaveAsprey: Wow.


JJVirgin: There'snorisktothis.Wegottogivehimtwograms.I'mlike,"Thisisridiculous,"butGranthackeduphisfeedingtubeadthenitwasgameon.ThenIhadaNutriBulletinthehospitalwithmeandIwasdoingallsortsofstuff.Iwasdoingglutamineandprobioticsbecausehehadholeseverywhere,majorantibiotics,VitaminD,allsortsofstuff,butfishoilwasthebigthing.Ijuststartedtakingupanddoingbecausewhenhecameoutofthecoma,therewasnoeyecontact,nothing.

DaveAsprey: Wereyouconcernedthatglutaminewasgoingtoleadtohigherglutamate,whichistiedtoneuroncelldeathafterinjury?

JJVirgin: NoIwasnotbecauseIwasmuchmoreconcernedatthattimethathewasgoingtodieofcachexia.Oneofthethingsthathappenswhenyou'reinacomaistheycan'tgetyouenoughnutrition.Hehaddropped50pounds.Hewaswastingaway.

DaveAsprey: Holycrap.

JJVirgin: Iwasputtinghimonreallyamazingaminoacids.

DaveAsprey: Thiswasrightafter.

JJVirgin: Thiswasn'trightafter.

DaveAsprey: Okay.Thatmakessense.

JJVirgin: Thiswasoverthecourseofamonth,helost50poundsandI'mwatchinghimwasteaway.I'mlike,"Notonmywatch."Iwasgivinghimglutamine.Iwasgivinghimaminoacids.ThenIwasjust[chlorophy-densing00:19:22]outtheselittleshakebecausehehadtolearnhowtoeatagain.Wehadabigsignupthere,"Nohospitalfood."You'regoingtolovethisone.Doyouknowwhattheywantedtogivehimatthesecondhospital?Hewasinthehospitalfourandahalfmonths.

DaveAsprey: ProbablyNutraSweet.

JJVirgin: Yes.

DaveAsprey: DidIguessit?

JJVirgin: No,Ikidyounot.They'relike,"Whatshouldwegivehimtodrink?"I'mlike,"Water?Howaboutwater?Howaboutifyouwanttogivehimanythingelse,maybecoconutwater?Imean,water."

DaveAsprey: Peoplelisteningmaynotknowthis.NutraSweetorAspartameisanexcitatoryneurotoxin.


JJVirgin: Worstthingforabraininjury.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.

JJVirgin: Likewhatcouldbeworseforabraininjury?They'relike,"WhataboutCrystalLight?"I'mlike,"Wecannotgivehimartificialsweeteners.You'regoingtogivehimAspertamewithabraininjury?"Whenyouhaveabraininjury,younowhaveatotallyunstablebrain.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.

JJVirgin: Youdonotwantsomethingthat'sgoingtodestabilizeitfurther.Thatwascrazinesstome,totallycrazy.

DaveAsprey: Itdoesn'tmakeanysenseunlessyouhaveaverybrokenparadigmthatfooddoesn'tmatterandsomehospitalsstillhavethat.Fortunately,somearechanging.

JJVirgin: Some.Therearenotmany,unfortunately.

DaveAsprey: Well,likewhereMarkHymanisworking.

JJVirgin: Iknow.Mark'sacrusader.Also,theCancerInstitutesofAmerica.Actually,Iwentoverandvisitedthere.Theyhadawholeorganicfarm.Iwaslike,"Thisisbadass."WithGrant,thefirsthospital,Iactuallyhadtoputasignup.Theydidn'thaveafridgeformetouse.Thesecondhospitalhadawholefridgeandkitchenforme.Iwaslike,"Fantastic."Imadesushidownstairsandeveryday,Grantwaslike,"Sushi."Thefirsthospital,IhadtogotoWholeFoods,dragitoverandWholeFoodsactuallyshippedmestuff,too.They'resogood.

DaveAsprey: WeloveWholeFoods.

JJVirgin: WeloveWholeFoodsandthankyou,BetsyFoster.Iwouldpulleverythinginandthewholefloorwaslike,"We'veneverseenamomdothis."I'mlike,"Ican'timaginewhynot.Whatareyoutalkingabout?Thisisthemostimportantthingwecandonowisthispiece."Thatwasinthehospitalpartandthenofcourse,oncewegothimoutofthehospital,itwasreallygameon.

DaveAsprey: Onceyou'vefixedhisbody,whichisreallymiraculouslyyoupulledthatoff,whataboutthemindthough?Afteratraumaticbraininjurylikethat,I'vegotpersonalexperiencewhereI'vehadtwosubstantial[inaudible00:21:40]lastyear.Itcantakeawhilewithoutsomeprettyseriousinventions.

JJVirgin: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Whatdidyoudo?Youhadtheshorttermwithprogesterone,fishoil.


JJVirgin: Shorttermwasfishoilandprogesteroneandessentialoilswestartedrightaway.

DaveAsprey: Whichones?Doyouremember?

JJVirgin: I'vegotitinmyprotocol.

DaveAsprey: Okay.

JJVirgin: Therewasabunchofthembecausetheyliterallyhadsomeonewho...Sheworksinthebraintraumaunitandbroughtthemoverandstarteddoing.I'mlike,"Thankyou."

DaveAsprey: Weactuallyuseessentialoilsat40YearsofZenwhenpeoplearedoingthatNeurofeedbacktraining,whentheyjustgetawallwheretheirbraincan'tgoanymore.Weuseessentialoilstogivethemmore.Ididn'thavethatintheprotocol.

JJVirgin: Thankyou.Iwaslike,"Whataboutme?"IguessI'mgoingbackthough.I'mgoingback.

DaveAsprey: Theversiontwoisverystrong.

JJVirgin: Itwasthefirstthingthatwedid.Again,thisstep,Isawitfrommyowneyes.Itwasoneofthefirstthingsthatwedidandhe'sresponding.Whenyou'vegotakidinacoma,you'rewatchingforanything,anythingatall.Whentheywakeupandthey'restaringoffintospace...Iwasbringinghimanythingtoactivatehistaste,histouch,sound,IjustdideverythingIcouldthinkoftojuststartwakinghimup.Itwaslikehavingababy.HewouldgetsuperupsetandagitatedifIwenttoofarandthenhehadtosleep.

DaveAsprey: Wow.

JJVirgin: Tobringupsomeoneoutofabraininjury,itisverymuchlikeraisingababy.Howtheygothroughandtheygettoomuchandthentheyhadtoprocessandsleep.Toomuch.That'swhatwedid.Webroughthimhome.Now,thebiggestchallengeIhadwasIhavealloftheseresources,andIhavenotevencomeclosetoexhaustingthem,andIwantedtodoallofitatonce.ThefirstthingthatwedidwastookhimbackovertoAmen's.Now,here'swhat'ssupercoolisDr.DanielAmenwasGrant'sdoctor.He'sapersonalfriend.

DaveAsprey: He'sagreatguy.

JJVirgin: IwentandfoundhimatapartybecauseIwaslike,"Iwantthisguytohelpmysonyearsandyearsago,"12,15yearsago.Ifoundhim.

DaveAsprey: DanielAmen.


JJVirgin: Yes.

DaveAsprey: Cool.

JJVirgin: IliterallystalkedhimandIwentrunninguptohimatthispartyandIgo,"I'mahugefangirl."He'slike,"Okay."WegottobesuperclosefriendsandIactuallyhelpedhimpickouthisValentine'sDaypresentwhenheandTanaweredating.Yeah.

DaveAsprey: That'ssocool.

JJVirgin: Yeah,soWegowayback.Hehadpre-accidentscansbecausehehelpedmewithGrant'sbipolarandthat'swhyhewasonfishoilandeverythingelse.Wenowhavepost-accidentscansandhecouldactuallyshowmewherewewereandwhatweneededtodo.Westartedwithhimhyperbaricandpingpong.

DaveAsprey: Youknow,DanielAmenbuyapingpongtable.

JJVirgin: Anyonewho'sgonetoAmenclinichasapingpongtable.

DaveAsprey: Ihaveapingpongrobot,too,JJ.

JJVirgin: Iknow.Isawthat.

DaveAsprey: It'ssocool.Itthrowsballsatyouwayfasterthannormalpingpong.Icanplaywithnunchucksnow.Okay,notreally.Anyhow,didyouactuallygetapingpongtableforGrant?

JJVirgin: Yes.Wegotapingpongtable.Yes,wedidbecauseitwasagreatway.Westartedworkingmajorhand-eyecoordination.Thenhewentbacktotennisandhewasdoingalotoftraining.EventhoughIstartedoutasapersonaltrainer,it'slikeIneededotherpeopletodothesethings.Hewasgoingtothegymwithme,too.Hestarteddoingallofthatandthenofcourse,Ihadrealtightcontrolnowoverhisdiet.ThenwestartedNeurofeedback.

DaveAsprey: Ofcourse.

JJVirgin: Wehadthebrainmappingstuff,sothathelped.

DaveAsprey: Ijustgottosay,anyonewho'shadastrokeoranytraumaticbraininjurywhodoesn'tdoNeurofeedback,it'snotokay.

JJVirgin: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Here'swhy.We'veaddedbrainmappingto40YearsofZensinceyouwentandthe24-channelthing.We'refindingabout90%ofpeoplewhocomeinthedoor


asfullyfunctioningexecutives,celebrities,whatevertheyare,theyhaveTBIsandtheydon'tknowaboutit.

JJVirgin: Iwouldagree.

DaveAsprey: It'salwaysthereandit'saffectingtheirpersonality.Inaday,youprogramaroundit.

JJVirgin: Youlistentoo.26.4%ofthepopulationhasamentalillnessrightnowandatsomepointinyourlife,50%ofpeoplehavesomethingatsomepointintheirlife.Why?Igottotellyou,Ithinkalotofthisisbraininjury.

DaveAsprey: Ido,too.[crosstalk00:25:48].

JJVirgin: Whenyouthinkaboutit,becausewethinkofabraininjuryassomeonelikeGrantinacoma.No.Ifyouhityourhead,you'vejustgottenabraininjury.Youdoitrepeatedly,yourbodyisahistorybook.It'scrazywhat'snotbeingtalkedabout.Ihadabraininjury.Iwasdrivingdownthefreeway.Therewastrafficflowing.Thereweretwokidsracingandacarspunout,hitmethiswayandthenabigtruckhitmethatway.Iwasn'tinaLexusSUVandliterallycrackedit.Youdon'tcrackLexusSUVs.Iwasoutonastretcher.

DaveAsprey: Wow.

JJVirgin: Iremembergoinghomethatnight.Iwenttothedoctorthenextday.Ifyoutouchme,Ithrewup.Hegoes,"Oh,itjusttakestime.Thebrainhasitsowntimescheduletoheal."Atthetime,IknewIwasdoingGPC,andAcetyl-L-carnitine,and[phosphatidylserine00:26:39],andginkgo,andfishoil,andcurcumin,I'mthinkingallthethingshedid,butnotatthelevel.Ididn'teventhinkthatmuchoflike,"Oh,Ihaveabraininjury."Icouldstillthinkcreatively,butIwaslike,"Yeah,okay."

DaveAsprey: Youalsodon'talwaysthinkyouhaveabraininjury.

JJVirgin: Exactly.That'sthebiggestproblem.Thebiggestchallengewithabraininjuryisit'sgoingtoimpactyourmemory.It'sgoingtoimpactyourreasoning.It'sgoingtoimpactyourimpulsecontrolmassively.

DaveAsprey: Emotions.Youturnintoanassholetobeperfectlyhonest.

JJVirgin: Infact,that'swhatJohnwouldsay,myex.Myex,honestly,IthinkoneofthebiggestreasonsthatGrantiswhereheistoday,there'sacoupleones.WhatIwanttoshareisthenumberonereasonGrant'shere.Myex-husbandistheangelonearth.Heisthemostpatient,tolerant.Hewouldsaytome,he'dbetextinggoing,"Hisinnerassholeisout,"becauseliterallyinthehospital,whenyou'recomingoutofabraininjury,youloseyourinternaleditor.


Wehadhimatthesecondhospital.Wehada24-hoursecurityguard.Wehadhiminapossebed,azipupbedsohe'sinthere.Youcan'tgetout.ThenwehadthiscocktailthatwewouldhithimanditwasHaldol,AtivanandBenadryl.Thiswouldknockahorsedownanditwouldjusttakehimtocalm.Youcan'tdothatandhealyourbrainatthesametime.It'salittlebalance,butIwouldseethisthingcomeout.ItwasliketheHulkwascomingout.It'slikeheturnedgreenandwe'dbelike,"Runforit."

DaveAsprey: Wow.

JJVirgin: Thesecurityguardwastryingtoshowthenursingstaffhowtohandlehim,thenhewentonarageandtorethesecurityguard'sclothesoff,butitwasn'thisfault.

DaveAsprey: No.

JJVirgin: That'sthesadpart.Noonewantstobeabadguy.

DaveAsprey: Heprobablyfeelsguiltyaboutit.

JJVirgin: Thenhefeelssobadaboutit.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.Yeah.

JJVirgin: Hecomeshomeandwehadtheseinstancesathomewherehetriedtoswallowhandfulsofpillsandhetriedtorunouttothestreetbecause25%ofpeoplewithabraininjurystartstotalkabouthealingthemselvesorsucceed.Iwouldliterally,wejumpedhim."Ididnotgothroughallthisforyoutocomehomeandswallowabunchofpills."

DaveAsprey: Howdareyouwastethis?

JJVirgin: No,youdon't.No,youdon'tneedthem.Yeah.It'sbeenquiteawildride.

DaveAsprey: WhenIhitmyhead,thiswasinFebruary,IhadsuchbadfoodpoisoningafterabusinesstripthatIpassedoutfromthrowingup,hitthesideofmyheadonthetile.Justboom,hitthefloor.WhenIcameto,IcameclosetodyingbecauseIwasfacedownandmypukewasgross.Fortunately,mywife'sanERdoctorandshefiguredoutthiswashappening.Ifshehadn'tgivenme[inaudible00:29:27]Iprobablywouldhavedied.Foracoupleofweeksafterthat,Icouldn'tGoFishwithmykids,JJ.Icouldn'trememberwherethecardswere.Idon'treallyswearmuchathomebecauseIhavelittlekids.Iactuallydon'tswearthatmuchanywaybecauseI'mactuallynotthatangry.I've[reprogrammed00:29:41]allofthatstuff,butman,Istartedswearinglikeasailor.Icouldn'tbelieveit.

JJVirgin: Yeah.It'slikeyouget[inaudible00:29:45].


DaveAsprey: Yeah.Itwaslikethat.

JJVirgin: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.DidGrantgetthataswell?

JJVirgin: Yeah.It'sclassicwhathappens.Oneofthethingsthatcanhappenisyoucangethypersexual.IrememberI'mlookingatoneofthenursesandsaying,Iwon'tsaytheFwordhere,buthewaslike,"Ifreakingloveyou."I'mlike,"Wow.Okay."It'slike,"Okay.Inappropriate."Thatcanhappen.Theygetviolentandyoujusthavenoeditor,nofilter.Ifyouthinkaboutsomeofthethingsthatgooninyourhead,ifyouhadnofilter,iftheywerejustcomingout,whatcouldhappen?

Anyway,nowhe'shomesowe'vedoneNeurofeedback,we'vedonehyperbaric,andwe'restoppingandstartingbecauseI'vegotallthesedeepplansofwhatI'mgoingtodobuthehastoparticipate.He'sgoingbetween,"I'mangry.I'msuicidal."We'vehadtoputhiminandgethelpalongthewaywiththis.Ihavestuckwiththiswearegoingtogethimto110%andhewasprogressivelygettingbetter,andthenwehitastuckpoint.Itwasnot110%.Itwasabout70%withperiodicsuicidalissues,whichisnotawayanyonecanlive.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.

JJVirgin: Whenhefirstcameoutofthehospital,oneofmydoctorfriends,Dr.ElliotLander,awesomehumanbeingofStemCellRevolution.Gottogivehimaplug.He'ssoawesome.Lovehim.Anyway,hedidIVstemcellsforGrant.Partofthechallengewhenyou'recomingoutisyou'rejustthrowingeverythingathim.I'mlike,"What'sworking?"Atthattime,youcouldn'tputthemintothespine.It'scalledintrathecalwhereyoujust...

DaveAsprey: Yeah.Infact,I'mdoingthatnextSaturday.

JJVirgin: Yey!Anyway,wefinallyfoundoutyounowcandothisandwedidthefirstround.Wedidthefirstroundintohisspineandthenwesentthestemcellsouttogrowbecauseifyou'renotababy,youdon'thavethatbigconcentrationofstemcellssoyouwanttoboostthat.

DaveAsprey: Didtheypullthemfromhismarroworfromhisfat?

JJVirgin: No,fromhisfat.

DaveAsprey: Okay.Cool.

JJVirgin: IdidaFacebookLiveofminebeingtaken.

DaveAsprey: Youtoo?


JJVirgin: Idid,yes,becauseI'mdoingthemintomykneeandhips.Hedoesthis.Hehadtohaveanotherkneesurgery.He'shadacouplekneesurgerysince.It'songoingwithsomeofthestuffbutheworksout.He'stotallycoolwiththat.

DaveAsprey: It'ssocool.

JJVirgin: Wedidakneesurgeryandthisisanimportantone.Wedidthesurgeryandthendidstemcellsrightafter.

DaveAsprey: Yes.

JJVirgin: Thisshouldjustbestandard.

DaveAsprey: I'lltellyouallrightnowhavingdoneagoodnumberofstemcells.I'vegot25moredoses.Ifyouhaveanysurgicalprocedurewhatsoeverandyoudon'tgetintravenousstemcellsafterwards,you'rewastingyourtime.Justthatbig.

JJVirgin: Yeah.It'sridiculous.Here'stheotherpart.Whatwe'vedonenowisI'vebankedmystemcells.

DaveAsprey: Me,too.

JJVirgin: Grant'sbankedhisstemcells,soifsomethinghappens...

DaveAsprey: Explainwhatbankingmeans.

JJVirgin: Whatwedidwaswehadthemdrawnandthenwesentthemofftoalabthatgrowsthemandthenkeepsthemoverthere.Here'swhythisissoimportant.Youdon'tknowwhenyou'regoingtogetinanaccidentandthat'swhenyouneedthem.

DaveAsprey: Also,theyoungeryouarewhenyougetyourstemcellstakenout,themorepowerfultheyare.Whattheydotogetyourstemcells,whatJJandIwentthroughisinfact,webothFacebookLive,whichishilarious.

JJVirgin: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Theybasicallytakethislongneedleandtheydowhattheywoulddoforliposuctionwheretheypullsomefatoffoveraboveyourkidneys.Notthatmuchofitandit'spainful.

JJVirgin: Yeah,oneounce.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.

JJVirgin: Ittookmeforever.Iwassobruised,awful.Here'swhatshouldhappen:intheperfectworld,hopefullywe'regettingtothispoint,ifIwasgoingtohavebabies


rightnow,Iwouldhavethemgeneticallytestedandtheirstemcellsbankedthen.Thatwouldjustbewhatyoudo.Rightnow,IknowatleastifsomethinghappenedwhereBrycehadtohavesurgery,let'ssayhebrokehisleg,boom!Iwouldhavethestemcellsthereforhim.That'swhatyouwanttodoisbankthemorhavefamilialbanking,whichisn'tlegalyet.

DaveAsprey: It'snotlegalyet.Well,notinthiscountry.

JJVirgin: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Youcanalso...

JJVirgin: Legalschmigle.

DaveAsprey: Right.Youcanalsodointerestingthings.Ifyoudoafullhumangenomeworkoutonpeoplewhenthey'reborn,andI'vehadmyfullhumangenomedone,youcanunderstandwhatdrugsaregoingtowork,whatdetoxpathwayswork,andthingslikethat,whatBvitaminsyoushouldtake.IfIhadknownaboutsomeofthemutationsthatIhavewhenIwasakid,IprobablywouldhavecoveredinstretchmarksthewayIamnow.It'soneofthecontributingfactorsisIhavesomethingcalledaCBSmutation.ThatmeansthatifIdon'tgetextrazincandbiotin,thatIamathighriskforhavingpoorcollagenformation.

Whotheheckwouldeverknowthis?IthinkChinesemedicinewouldn'tevenfigurethisstuffout,butwecandoit.Ifeveryoneknewthis,evenifyoujust[inaudible00:34:27]me,youcanfigurethatoneout,butthewholegenomewouldalsotellthehospitalforGrant,"Hey,here'sthedrugsthatarelikelytocauseproblems[inaudible00:34:34],"sowecanavoidalot.

JJVirgin: Somuch.It'sjustthewayitneedsandit'smovinginthatdirection.Youknowwhat?WhatI'mrecommendingisthatwedonotwaitforthattogetthere.I'mnotwaitingandI'mgoingtoshareeverythingthatwedobecausewiththefishoilinthehospitaltheygo,"Okay.Well,wecandotwograms."I'mlike,"No.No,we'renotgoingtowait."Everythingisrisk-reward.You'vegotakidhoveringbetweenlifeanddeathwithasevereinjuryandyou'reafraidhemightbleedalittlemore.Sorry.Risk-reward.Givehimthefishoil.Plushedidn't.Iactuallywascheckinghisbleedtimes.WhatIwoulddoiseverytimeweknewtheyweregoingtodraw[inaudible00:35:15].

DaveAsprey: Nice.

JJVirgin: Yeah.Thishasnotchangedanything.Ithasnotchangedanythingatall.ThenwhenIwenttoChildren'sHospital,Ijusttoldthemhewasdoing20gramsadayandtheygaveittohim.Wedid20gramsadayfor6moths,thenwewentto10grams.

DaveAsprey: Forsixmonths,wow.


JJVirgin: Forsixmonths.Thenwedroppedtofivegrams.Wedidprogesteroneforsixmonthstoo.

DaveAsprey: Incomparison,thatwasareallymajorinjury,Itookaprettystrongkneetotheheadrightherenotthatlongago.I'mnotsayingwhosekneeitwas.[inaudible00:35:48]someone'sname.Itwasallingoodfun.

JJVirgin: Thingshappen,youknow.

DaveAsprey: Thingshappen.

JJVirgin: Thingshappen.

DaveAsprey: ItwasentirelyaccidentalwhenwewerehavingafunsportingeventandIwentonhighdosefishoilassoonasIcould.

JJVirgin: Ifeltreallybadaboutitjustsowe...Idid.Thefirstthingwaslike,"Getfishoil."

DaveAsprey: Ofcourse,youwould.You'relikemysister,JJ,andyou'vehadenoughtraumainyourfamily.

JJVirgin: It'slike,"Ohno."

DaveAsprey: Ididgoonfishoilbutalso,withinfiveminutesoftakingahit,Ihad10[inaudible00:36:25]advantageandIhad10ketoprimesallatoncebecausethefirstthingthathappenswithinminutesofabrainhitlikethatisneuronsstarttodieandtheycanleak.Ifyoucansupportmitochondrialfunction,theseareunlikelytoharmme.They'reprobablygoingtosupportthemitochondrialfunctionandIdidn'thavemostofthosestuff.Itookalotofglutathionetoojustfortheantioxidanteffects.ThenassoonasIgothome,whichwasthenextday,Iwentontothefull...

JJVirgin: Youwenttohyperbarictoo,right?

DaveAsprey: IwentintohyperbaricrightawayandIalsotookoneofthoseprogesterone.Idid400milligramsaday.Thatwasbecauseyoutoldmeto.400milligramsadayfor4or5daysand200milligramsforanotherfewdaysandIrecoveredreallyquicklyfromthis.

JJVirgin: Yeah,andthatwasabighit.

DaveAsprey: Itwasahugeone.

JJVirgin: Yeah.Mykneehurt.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.


JJVirgin: Whataboutmyknee?

DaveAsprey: Shouldwetellthemwhatwewereactuallydoing?

JJVirgin: No,wearenot.Nope.No,we'renottelling.

DaveAsprey: Comeon,JJ.

JJVirgin: No,we'renottelling.No,we'renot.

DaveAsprey: Allright,youguysaregoingtohavetowonder.Theotherthingthatreallymadeadifferenceabout40daysafterithappened,Ihadachancetogobacktothe40YearsofZenfacilityinSeattle.Idon'tliveinSeattle,IliveinVictoriaandI'mtravelingallthetimeforwork,butIdidn'tfeellikeIwasallthewayback.Iwentinandmaybewecanpastethisintothevideoorsomething,butwedothe24-channelbrainscanonthefirstdayandweknowwhatmybrainlookslike.ItlookslikeaZenmasterbrainbecauseithasveryhighcoherence.It'saverysmoothbrainwithoutalotofassymetryatallandthat'sbecauseofthreemonthsofintensive...

JJVirgin: Yeah,itdidn'tstartthatway.

DaveAsprey: No,notatall.Thepost-hit,ohmygod.

JJVirgin: Iknow.Ican'tbelievethosepicturesyoushowedme.

DaveAsprey: Itwaslikespaghetti.Mybrainwasreallynotworking.EventhoughIwasfunctional,Iwasdoingthepodcastjustlikeyouguyshearme,IwasbeingadadbutIwasn'tallthereinanorganizedfashion.It'slikemycarwillstilldrive,butit'snotdrivingthewayitshould,thatkindoffeeling.That'swhytraumaticbraininjuriesaresoslipperyandeveworse,yougetusedtofeelingthatwaysoyouthinkthat'sthenyournormal.

JJVirgin: Yeah,youthinkit'sinyournormal.Here'sabiggerissuetoowithallofthisanditcomesfromDanielAman.Hesays,"Howdoweknowunlesswelook?"Hesays,"Thisistheoneareainthemedicinewherewedon'tlookatanything"that'sspecscansandbrainmappingaresocriticalbecausehewasabletolookatGrant'sbrainwiththespecscanandgo,"Here'stheissuesare,here'swhatyouneedtodo."Thenwecamebackanothersixmonthshegoes,"Hereiswhereit'shealing."

Thenhedidonethingwherehecouldshowushowfaritcouldgoandhegoes,"Here'showfarhecango."I'vecompletelydisregardedthat,Iwilltellyou.Sorry,Daniel.Tome,Idonotoperateinalimitedspace.Tome,Iwent,"Theminuteyoutellmewecanonlygetthisfar,I'mgoingpastthat.I'mgoingpastthatandI'msurewhenwegobackagain,wewillseethatwedid."Thefinalthingwedidwaswe've...Notthefinal.I'vegotsomanymorethingstodo


becausenowIthinkwecanactuallygethimto40Years.Hewasn'tquitereadyyet.

DaveAsprey: Anytime,JJ.Youknowmydoorisopenforyou.

JJVirgin: Wedidintrathecalstemcellsandhere'swhathappened,andthisisimportantbecausenoonehavethisinformationsoIwantthisoutthere,iswhenhewaswakingupoutofthebraininjury,hewasveryviolent,likewetalkedabout.Wedothisintrathecalstemcellsandthefirstthreedaysareamazing,likeamazing.He'sbeenreadinglikehereadscrazystuffandhe'ssupersmart.He'sdevelopedhiswholehydroponicsysteminthebackyard.

DaveAsprey: Whatishegrowingthere?

JJVirgin: Well,it'snowlegalinCalifornia.He'sbeendoingamazingart,sohe'svery,verysmart,buthewasveryunstable.Everythingwasgreatforthreedays.We'relike,"Ohmygosh.Thiswastheanswer,"andthenhewentofftherails.ItwaslikehewaswakingbackupagainandI'mwatchingthis.Ialwaysoperatefromwhat'sgoodaboutthis,likewhat'sgoodhere,andI'mwatchingthisandI'mlike,"Thislookslikehewasinthehospital.Wemustbewakingupneurons.Wemustbereconnectingthings.Stuffmustbecomingback."IsendoutanemailtoabunchofourneuroscientistfriendslikeDr.Andrew[inaudible00:40:36],andDanielAmen,andeveryone'slike,"Wedon'tknow.Wedon'tknowwhatbecausepeoplearen'tdoingthis."

IsentonetoCarrie,andIdon'tknowifIhavehernameright,[inaudible00:40:47].It'sMarkHyman'sbuddy.She'saspinalsurgeon.Igo,"Thisiswhat'shappened,"andshegoes,"I'vebeendoingthisandabout72hoursintoit,thecellsstarttodifferentiateandpeoplewhohadnumblimbsarescreamingoutinexcruciatingpainbecausethey'rewakingup,"andIwent,"That'sit."Ittookusabouttwoandahalfweeksofpureterrorbecausehewasbacktothatplaceagain.Ineverhadanadultconversationwithhim.Hewas6whenhegothit.Ihaven'tknownthisperson.Likehewasgone.

DaveAsprey: That'sprofound.

JJVirgin: Ihadaconversationwithhimacoupleofdaysago.Heactuallywatchedthedocumentarythatwe'vedonearoundthisandhewatchedthreetimeswithJohnandthenhestartedtextingmereallymean,nastythings.Iwokeupinthemorningtoallthismeanstuff.

DaveAsprey: It'snotaboutme.

JJVirgin: Iwaslike,"Hoo,hoo,hoo,hoo,hoo,hoo,"andIcallhim.Now,theoldGrantwouldhavebrokenawall,ranoutinthestreets.ThenewGrantIgo,"What'sgoingonhere?"Hegoeshe'sbroughtupallthisstuff.Hestartedthrowingthisin,"Youguysgotdivorced."I'mlike,"Whoa."Igo,"Firstoff,hey,weallhave


donethebestwecoulddoatanytime."Igo,"AndmaybeIdidn'tshowupasmybestselfthen,maybeDaddidn't,maybeyoudidn'teither."Igot,"Butwedidthebestwecouldatthetimeandlookhowweareallnow."Myex-husbandisanex-husband.Weareallsuperclose.Weareagreatfamily.Igo,"Lookatyou.Lookwhereyouarenow."Hegoes,"Oh,you'reright."

DaveAsprey: That'sabigchange.

JJVirgin: I'mlike,"What?"Youknow?Hestartshavingthistotallygreatconversation.Thankyouforpointingthatout.Iwent,"Ohmygod,I'venevertalkedtohimlikethisisadifferenthuman."Here'swhatelsehedidandthisiscrazystuff.Icomehomeandhesays,"I'vedonethisthingswith[Teslacoils00:42:34]."HeorderstheseTeslacoils,andhesetupthisthing,andhe'swearing,likeamuse,somethingthattracksyourbrainwaves.He'sgotthatsetupinthecomputer,thenhetakesTeslacoils.Hedoessomethingsohe'sgatheringtheenergyandhe'smodifyinghisbrainwaves,sohe'susingittocalmhimselfdown.

DaveAsprey: Cool.

JJVirgin: ThenhegotthatthingfromtheSteven[Gluckster00:42:55]Iturnedyouonto.He'swearingthiscoppercoilthatpulsesandwe'reputtingallthestufftogether.Hecantakehimselfifhe'sstartingtogetagitatedandcalmdown.Crazystuffthathe'sputtingtogether.Igo,"Yourealizeyou'regoingtochangebraininjury.Yourealizeyou'regoingtodothis."Hekeptgoing,"What'smypurpose,"whichisinterestinginitsownbecausewhoat17,18,19,whatboydoyouknowat17,18,19,orevengirl,who'sgoing,"What'smylifepurpose?"

DaveAsprey: IknewmylifepurposewhenIwas17.Itwastogetlaid.

JJVirgin: Right.Right?Imean,thereitis.It'snotlikewhat'smylife'spurpose,whyamIhere?Igot,"Iknowwhyyou'rehere.Icanseeit,sojustgowithmeinmind."He'slike,"Oh,Igetit."

DaveAsprey: Wow.That'sprofound.

JJVirgin: Hegoes,"I'mgoingtocreatethis.I'mgoingtoshowotherpeoplethis."Igo,"Youshowpeoplewhat'spossible."Now,we'regoingtostartthenextonewith10Xasmanystemcellsnextweekandwe'vegota[inaudible00:43:50]readyifnecessary.

DaveAsprey: Isthatnextweekwhenyou'redoingit?

JJVirgin: He'sdoingit.I'mdoingittheweekafter.

DaveAsprey: It'sfunnybecauserightnow,Iguessit'sSaturday,aweekfromtoday,becausewe'rerecordingthisonaSaturday,andthat'swhenI'mgettingit.Itmightevenbeonthesameday.It'sfunny.


JJVirgin: We'llallswap.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,exactly.

JJVirgin: Soexciting.

DaveAsprey: Idon'tthinkIwantyourstemcellstoo,JJ.

JJVirgin: Yeah,notswappingstemcells.Swappingsuccessstories.

DaveAsprey: Exactly.

JJVirgin: Ithinkstemcellsaresomeofthemostexcitingthingswe'vegothappeningnow.

DaveAsprey: Stemcellsareabsolutelyprofound.IamgoingtobegettingstemcellseverysixmonthsuntilIrunoutofthesupply.

JJVirgin: I'mgoingtotellyou,weareallcommentingonit,allyourclosebuddiesarelike,"Gosh,youlooksomuchyounger."That'swhyI'mdoingthembecauseIhavetolookyoungerthanyou.It'sonlyacompetitivething.It'sonlyacompetitivething.

DaveAsprey: Youdolookyoungerthanme,JJ.Don'tevenworryaboutthat.

JJVirgin: Lanalooksawesome.Hishottiewife,hottiesmartwife.Nothingbetterthansomeonewhoissupersmart,andhot,andawesome.

DaveAsprey: Let'stalkaboutstemcellsforasecondherebecauseifyou'relisteningtothisyou'regoing,"Yeah,okay.DaveandJJ,they'reauthors.They'resuccessful.They'reprobablyspendingamilliondollarsonstemcells."No.It'slike3,500bucks.It'scheaperthankneesurgery.

JJVirgin: Here'sathingtooandthebiggestplacethey'redoingthemnowisintheknees.I'mgoingtohavemykneeandhipdone.Whenyoureallyplayouttheexpensesandallthisstuff,itiswaylessmoney.Whenyoulookatabraininjury,theaveragecostofabraininjury...Overfivemillionaredisabledrightnowwithbraininjury.Ithinkit'smuchhigher,butpeopledon'trealizeit.Theaveragecost...

DaveAsprey: Ithinkit'severyone.Ifyouwere18monthsoldandyoufeeldown,haveabraininjury.

JJVirgin: Yeah,that'sright.Youhurtyourbrain.Ifyouaveragecostisanywherebetween$80,000andamilliondollars,soI'msorry,stemcellsareadeal.They'rejustadealandmostofthatstuffisgoingtobeout-of-pocketstufforcopays.

DaveAsprey: Here'sthething,thepainfulpartisgettingthefatpulledout.


JJVirgin: It'sawful.It'sawful.

DaveAsprey: Ididn'tthinkitwasthatbad.

JJVirgin: Well,becauseyouhavemorefatthanme.

DaveAsprey: Insomeplaces.Anyhow,whatIdidisIhadthempulledthefatout,sameasJJ.Thathurtsalittlebit.Whathurtsmoreforthosewho[inaudible00:45:58]?Afterthat...

JJVirgin: IthurtafterthefactandIwasverybruised.

DaveAsprey: Ithinkthismightbeafemalething.LanahadalotmorepainthanIdid.

JJVirgin: Yeah.Ihadalotmorebruising.

DaveAsprey: You'regoingtobesoreforaweek.Thenthey'dtakethefat,theyspinit,theygetthestemcellsout,theycanputafewin,andthentheygrewthem.WhatIhaddone,andwhatIthinkyou'reintheprocessofhavingdone,isI'mlike,"Look,ifyou'regoingtostickneedlesandgoingtomybonesandallthatstuff,youdon'thavetogetitfromyourbone."Igetfrommybonesaswell.Iwaslike,"PutitinmykneewhereI'vehadthreesurgeries.PutitinmyshoulderswhereI'vehadpain.Putitinmyneck.Putinmyspine.Putitanywherethat'severhurtonmybodyandthen,sincewehavesomeextrastuff,putithereinmyface.Putitinmyhair.Putitinmyblood."Theninanotherprocedureafterthat,Ihadaninjectiontomycerebralspinalfluid,theintrathecalthing.Thatwasabout,thiswasbeforetheconferencesoIdon'tknow,middleoftheyearsometime.

JJVirgin: Thatwasperfecttimingtootohaveit.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.

JJVirgin: I'mhavingitdoneinmykneeandhip,butI'malsodoingaFraxellaser.Whatit'sgoingtodoisit'sgoingtogowherethere'saninjury.Infact,mydoctoldmethatallofthemjustkeeptheirstemcellsbankedandatleastonceayeartheydoitjustpreventivelybecausewhereveryou'rehurt,whereveryouhaveinflammation,it'sgoingtogothere.I'mactuallycreatinginflammationsoI'mgoingtocreateabunchofinflammationdeepandthenhititwithIVsandI'malsogoingtohitthespraygun.

DaveAsprey: Thespraygun?

JJVirgin: Haveyouseenthisthing?

DaveAsprey: Stemcellsspraygun?

JJVirgin: There'sastemcellsspraygun.


DaveAsprey: Whatdidtheydowithit?

JJVirgin: Howdoyounotknowthisthing?

DaveAsprey: Idon'tknow.

JJVirgin: They'reusingitforburnvictims.They'recrazy.

DaveAsprey: Oh,thespraypaintone.Ididn'tknowitwasstemcells.Ithoughtitwastherapy.

JJVirgin: No.Thatwasdone.Theyshowedapictureofsomeonelikethismassive...

DaveAsprey: Thefiremanwithnoskinonhisshoulderatall,right?

JJVirgin: Yeah,yeah.Crazystuff.It'sthisspraygun.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.It'slikealittlecanofyourownbloodproductsandthattheyspraypaintonyourskin.There'savideooutthere,thisfirefighterwasreallycharredandhewascompletelyunscarred,freshskin.ThisissomethingI'veneverseenbefore.You'regoingtodothat

JJVirgin: Heckyeah.

DaveAsprey: HowdoIgetthat?

JJVirgin: Idon'tknow.Ijustsentittomydoctor,I'mlike,"Getthistoy."

DaveAsprey: Youdon'thaveburns.

JJVirgin: Theylaseryousoyou'realittleburned,butthedamageisreallydeep.

DaveAsprey: I'msogoingtogetthisdone.

JJVirgin: Iknow.Thisisallthisthing.Theylookyoungerthanyou.

DaveAsprey: Thisiswhatbiohackersdo.We'relike,"Oh,howcanIburnmyselfandhealbetter?"ThewholepointofthisepisodeisthatwhathappenedwithGrantisbothahugeemotionalthingforJJ.Asacareprovider,acaregiver,there's...

JJVirgin: Asamom,youknow?ThenumberonethingIalwayssaidisIcanhandleallthebusinessstress,allthecrazystuffaslongasmykidsareokay.Youneverwanttooutliveyourkids.Thatisjustnotthewaythingsaregoingtobe,sothiswasthatexperience.

DaveAsprey: Idon'tknow,JJ.ItoldmykidsI'mlike,"Look,I'mplanningtolive180plus,"andIsaid,"ifyouguysdostupidstuffthatkillsyou,I'mgoingtolivelongerthanyou.


Youwanttobeatme?"Ofcourse,allkidswanttobeattheirparents."Ifyouwanttobeatme,dotherightthing."

JJVirgin: That'sagoodone.

DaveAsprey: Let'sgoexercise.Ihavenoproblemwithwantingtoeatstuff.Itoldthem,"Let'sgetMcDonald's,"andIjustwantedthemtofeelcrappyformeitbecausethey'veneverhadMcDonald'sandthey'relike,"Wedon'twanttogo."I'mlike,"Noreally,youshouldtrytheMcNugget."They'relike,"No,wedon'twantto."I'mlike,"Okay."

JJVirgin: EatthatMac.

DaveAsprey: Brainwashingsuccessful.

JJVirgin: DoyouknowwhatIdidwithmykidsoneHalloween?TheygooutintrickortreatandIgo,"Goahead,eatwhateveryouwant.Getsick,throwup."They'relikedone.

DaveAsprey: Theymisbehaveforsolong.

JJVirgin: Ohgosh,Iknow.

DaveAsprey: Here'swhatIdoinHalloween.Thisistotallyunrelatedtothebraininjurystuffotherthansugarcausesbraininjurieswhenyougettoomuchofit.Ijustbuythecandyfrommykids.I'llpayyouinBulletproofdarkchocolatebarswithnosugarandtheylovethoselike,"CanIhavetheoneswithsalt?"I'mlike,"Yes,"orIgivethemmoney.

JJVirgin: Yeah.Wealwaysbuyouttheircandy,butyouknowtheothercoolthingisifyouputitaway,theyforgetaboutit.Weputitaway,butwejustwouldbuyitback.

DaveAsprey: Whatdoyoudowithcandyyoubuyfrompeoplelikethat?

JJVirgin: Yougivetopeopleyoudon'tlike.

DaveAsprey: See,that'stheproblem.

JJVirgin: Ilikeeverybody.

DaveAsprey: Metoo.

JJVirgin: Ijustthrewitaway.

DaveAsprey: Ifeelbad.

JJVirgin: Imean,Ihonestlythrewitaway.


DaveAsprey: WegrewgeneticallymodifiedcorntomakethiscrappystuffandIdon'twanttogiveittopeoplebecauseevenifIdon'tlikethem,Idon'twanttoharmthem.

JJVirgin: Yeah,it'sjustmean.It'sjustmean.ThereisonelastthingIdowanttopointoutaboutallthisbecauseeverybodykeepsaskingnowlike,"Okay,whatwasit?Wasitthefishoil?Wasitthestemcells?"Wehadeveryreligioncoveredpraying.Iwaslike,"Great.Let'sgetthemall.Allofthem."Wehadscrollshangingandholywater,allsortsofstuff.

DaveAsprey: Iwouldhavedoneallthesamething.Justsoyouguysknow,I'maprettylogicalbiohacker,soisJJ.She'sascienceperson.Noneofthisstuffcanharm,andthere'ssomeevidencethatitmightwork,andsometimesyoucanfeelweirdstuffhappen.

JJVirgin: Ihadthatenergy.StephenSinatrasentmehisenergyhealerbyphone.

DaveAsprey: He'sacardiologistguy.

JJVirgin: Yes.He'sacardiologist.

DaveAsprey: Oneoftheguysbehindearthing,bytheway.

JJVirgin: Yeah.Hesendsmethisguyonthephone.Hegoes,"He'sanenergyhealer.He'sgoingtohelp."I'mlike,"Allright,fine."I'mlike,"Yeah,right."I'mdrivingtothehospitaleverymorning,hewouldgivemethestatusreportofGrantbecauseI'dleaveat9p.m.andgetbackaround5:30soI'dhitGrantrounds.Hetellmewhat'sgoingonwithGrant.I'dwalkin,they'dtellmethesamething,andhe'dsay,"Okay,nowholdthephoneup."I'dholdthephoneupandhe'sdothis[woosh00:51:22]stuffandhisbloodpressurewouldcomedown.I'mlike,"Allright."

DaveAsprey: ThisissomethingItalkaboutthatmuch,butIreadaboutthisinHeadStrong,mynewbookthatcomesoutacoupleofmonthsafteryourbookisout.There'saguy,BarryMorguelan,whodoesenergyworkforTonyRobinstosupportTonywhenTonyhasevents.ThisguyisaUCLAsurgeon,likearealWesterndoctor.Hewasoneof12livinggrandmastersofaChineseenergeticmedicinetraditionthat'soutthere.ThoseactuallycreatedtoprotecttheemperorofChina.Thisguyjusthasmadpowers.YoucanfeelwhathedoesandIdon'tthinkthatanyonewhosensethey'reexperiencingthatcanactuallyfilterthatout.Youknow,thesepeoplearereallystrong.Heactuallywrotethemeditationformitochondriathat'sinmybook,butthatkindofthing,ifIhadmajortraumaticbraininjuryorsomeonefrommyfamilydid,youbetyourassI'dbecallingBarryandafewotherpeoplelikeAlbertoVilloldo,theshamanwho'sbeenontheshow.You'renotgoingtodoanyharmandsomethinghappenswhenyou...

JJVirgin: Whenyouputthatmuch,whatyoufocusonexpandsandthat'swhywhenpeoplego,"Whatwasit,"here'sthedeal:whatyoufocusonexpandsandI


believeyougetwhatexpect.Ijustwent,"I'mgoingtoexpect110%,"becauseevenifIfallalittleshort,that'sbetterthangoing,"Aslongashe'salive."WhatifIsaid,"He'llbe50%,"andIhitthat?IdecidedI'mgoingtogofor110%becausewhenyouasktherightquestions,thosearetheanswersyouseek.That'sallI'vefocusedonandthat'sallI'vebeenfocusingon.Honestly,lastcoupleofweeks,allofasuddenIwent,"Ohmygosh,he'sbetterthanbeforetheaccident."We'vedoneit.Now,I'mgoing,"WhydidIlimitmyselfto110%?"

Now,thenextbigthingforusisnowthatIknowwhatworkshereandagainitstartsfirstwithyou'vegottomakethatdecision.Mostpeoplewouldhavelethimdieatthefirsthospital,soithastocomefromthatdecisionofquestionauthorityandbreaktherules.Bedisruptive.Takeresponsibility.Itwouldhavebeensoeasytohandresponsibilityover.Takeresponsibilityandthensetthatbig,crazy,stretchgoalandjustkeepitfrontandcenter.IlookatthethingsI'veaccomplishedinmylifeandallofthemalongthewayIwasgoing,"That'salittleridiculous."

DaveAsprey: There'saWesternreductionistthing,whichisalittlescary,whenpeopleaskyouwhat'stheonethingthatworked.Likeokay,let'smakesomebread,whichneitherofusactuallydoesanymore.Youthinkaboutthis,what'stheonethingthatworked?Ibakedthewateranddidn'twork,soIbakedtheyeast,itdidn'twork.Ibakedtheflour,itdidn'tworkverywell.Therefore,thereisnobread.That'sareallyunhealthywayoflookingatitandit'sthesamething.WhatdidIdotolose100pounds?Well,okay,there'sawholelistofthings,butitwasn'tonething.

JJVirgin: There'sonethingonthetop.There'sonethingonthetopandI'mgoingtokeepgoingback.Whydidthathappen?

DaveAsprey: Idecidedto?

JJVirgin: Thesethingstheyalltalkaboutaren'tworking.Youquestionedconventionalwisdom.Youknewwhereyouwanttobe.Youcouldseeitpossible.Youwereopentopossibilities.Thenyouwentandfiguredouthowthehecktomakeithappen.It'sthere.

DaveAsprey: That'sexactlyright.Theideaofjustonething,ifIcutmyselfwithaknife,thatwasjustonething.You'reprettysurethatyoucutyourselfwithaknife.Thevastmajorityofthingshappeninginourlives,inourbiologyhavetensofthousandsofthingsandeventhatcuttingyourselfwithaknife,thereissubstantialdatathatsaysthatweareslightlylessneurologicallyresponsivewhentherearemore[sun00:55:07]spots.Infact,Ijusthadanotherpodcastaboutthatlookingatspaceweatherdoesaffecthumanpsychology.Ifyoudon'tbelieveme,lookatfullmoonemergencyroomreports.Wasitjustonethingwhenyoucutyourselfwithaknifeorweretherecontributingfactorsthatyouweren'tpayinganyattentiontothatyoudidn'tknowmattered?Whenpeopleaskforjustonething


ortosayIcontrolledallthevariables,noyoudidn't.Youdon'tevenlookat99.9%ofthevariables.

JJVirgin: Youdon'tevenknowwhatthevariablesaretocontrol.

DaveAsprey: Right.WhatyoudowhenyouwanttodowhatJJdid,youwanttodoeverythingthat'slikelytoworkandnotrightthings.It'sthatrecipe,thatcombinationofthings.Ifitwasjustthefishoil,probablynot.

JJVirgin: No.

DaveAsprey: Isitpossiblethatsomethingyoudiddidn'thelp?

JJVirgin: Sure.

DaveAsprey: Exactly.Whocares,right?

JJVirgin: I'mguessingitdidn'thurt.Therewerethingsandhereisthething.Ikeptdoingthings,thedoctor'sislike,"Heneedstobeinthehospitalforanothertwomonths."Igo,"HekeepswantingtogohomeandIthinkhe'dbebetterwithfamiliarity."Maybethatwasn'ttherightchoice.Maybeheshouldhavebeenanothertwomonths.MaybeIdid...IwouldsneakhimintothephysicaltherapyroomatChildren'sHospitalandmakehimdopushupsandstuff.They'relike,"Whatareyoudoing?"Hewantstoworkouthard.They'relike,"Backoff,mom."Wetookhimintothepool.They'relike,"Don'tlethimswim."Swimmingperfectstrokes.I'mlike,"Hecandoit."MaybeIpushedhimtoomuchtoofast.

DaveAsprey: Infact,swimmingforpeoplewithTBIisreallyhelpfulbecausewhenyou'reinthewomb,youmakeswimmingmotions,itreconnectsthenervoussystem.

JJVirgin: Theydidn'twanttoputhimintherebecausetheywereafraidhewasgoingtohaveoneofthoseepisodesinthereandhowtheheckweretheygoingtogethimout.Weactuallyhadtotakehim...[inaudible00:56:39].Itwouldhavebeen,yeah.Wegottotakehimonalittle[hiatus00:56:44]outforfourhours.Wetookhimout,wetookhimtoabigpool.Weputhiminthepool.Wevideotapeditandbroughtitbacktothemandsaid,"See?"

DaveAsprey: Nice.JJ,kudostoyouforstandinguptothehospital.Whenmydadhadaheartattackmanyyearsago,Iknewenoughtobedangerous.IactuallycalledJulianWhitaker,who'soneofthetopcardiologistdoctors,saying,"Don'tdobypasses,"andallthatstuff.Therewasahyperbaricoxygenchamberinthehospitalandtheywouldn'tputhiminit.Iwaslikethreateninglawsuitsandthreateningtochokepeople.No,Ididn't,butIthinkImighthavethoughtofit.Basically,thehospital'shandsweretied.They'relike,"It'snotlegal.Ifit'sIRB,ifit'snotoneofthesenineconditions,wecan'tputhiminthere."I'mlike,"Butthere's10,000studies."Okay,thereweren'tbuttherewerealotofstudies


aboutthis.Gettingahospitaltodothings,thelevelofregulatorystuff,it'sridiculous.Sometimes,whatyouwanttodo.

JJVirgin: Youjustmusttakeitintoyourownhands.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,samethingwithmydad.

JJVirgin: AskforforgivenessisgenerallythewayIlivelife.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,forforgiveness.Imighthavesnucksomefoodandsupplementsthatweren'tonthelist,butyouhavetowatchout.There'sarole,somethingcalledapatientadvocate.Ifyou'regoinginforasurgery,oraprocedure,especiallypregnancyandbirthatahospital,youreallywanttohaveanadvocatetherewhoknowswhatyouwant,knowswhatyoudon'twant,andiswillingtostandthereandgo,"What'sinthatneedle?Whyareyoudoingthat?What'sthat?"

JJVirgin: Youmustdothis.Thenumberthreeleadingcauseofdeathisdeathbydoctorandallofourbuddiesaredoctors.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.We'reatamedicalconferencerecordingthis.

JJVirgin: We'reatamedicalconference.Theseareourbestfriends,butwhenyou'reinahospital,especiallyteachinghospital,andGrant'schartwastwothingsofthis,andstuffhappens.It'slikeyouhavetobethere.Youhavetobethere.Youhavetohavesomeonethereallthetime.Wrongprescriptions.IhadaclientwhostartedanelectronicrecordscompanybecauseafterIstartedworkingwithhim,Igavehimsomesupplementstotakeandhecallsmethreedayslaterhegoes,"Ifeelawfulfromwhatyougaveme."That'smypetpeeve.ItookthesupplementsandnowIfeelterrible.I'mlike,"Itwasn'tthesupplements."

ItturnsoutthathisdoctorputhimonQuinineandhewasonNexium.QuinineandNexiumtogetherwillkillyouinacoupleofweeks.Ofcourse,hewasblamingitonthevitaminD.I'mlike,"It'snotthevitaminD.It'snotthevitaminD,dude."Icaught,butthishappensallthetime.Allthetime.It'sreallyaboutunderstandingthattheresponsibilitylieswithinusandthat'sreallyempoweringtoo,right?

DaveAsprey: Itisindeed.

JJVirgin: Ultimately,thatmeansthatyoucanreallycontrolthisandshapethisdestiny.

DaveAsprey: JJ,I'malwayshappytogetachancetohangwithyoujustbecausewe'refriends,buttobeabletotalkaboutthisandshareyourstorywith...ThistimewedidaFacebookLiveatthesametimerecordedthepodcast,soyouprobablyarehearingthisonthepodcastbecausealotmorepeopleseethatthanonFacebook,butifyou'refollowingmeonFacebook,justDaveAsprey,theone


withtheorangephoto.Thenoccasionally,Idoalivebroadcastandyoumighthaveseenthislive,butyougetiteitherway.Yournewbookis...

JJVirgin: Theycandoalittlesubscribesothatthey'llfindoutwheneveryou'redoingthis.He'ssorandom.Ifyouwanttorandomlydiscoverwhenyou'redoingthis,alltheyhavetodoisthere'salittlesubscribethingsotheycansubscribetoyourFacebooklivethentheyknowwhenyou'regoinglivebecauseit'llalertyou.

DaveAsprey: Youcansubscribetothelives?

JJVirgin: Yes.

DaveAsprey: That'sanewthing.

JJVirgin: Youcanfindout.It'sanotifyme.There'ssomethingintherethatsaysdoyouwanttobenotifiedwhenhe'sgoinglive?Yes,youdo.YouwanttobenotifiedwhenBrotherDaveislive,sosayyoudo.Thereyougo.

DaveAsprey: IhadnocluethatFacebookhadthat.Therewego.

JJVirgin: Theotherpartofthatisasyou'relisteningtothis,thisisreallyimportantinformation.Thisisgoingtobemylife'sworktogetthisoutthere,soifyou'veheardthisandalmosteverydaynowwegetsomeonecomingtousgoing,"Wehaveabraininjury.Whatdowedo?"Iwantpeopletounderstandwhat'spossible,thatthereishope,thatyouneedtodostuff.Ifyouknowanybodywho'shittheirhead,whichiseverybody,sharethisonyourpagetoo.Sharethis.Thisinformationneedstogetoutthere.

DaveAsprey: Wellsaid,JJ.

JJVirgin: Thankyou.

DaveAsprey: I'mtiredofseeingthisineveryonewhocomesthroughfor[inaudible01:00:59]andit'ssomethingthat'srelativelyhackablenow,evenifit'saveryoldthing.Thebrainwillfixitselfifitknows.

JJVirgin: Itishackableandhonestly,Icompletelybelievenowthatwecantotally...I'mneversupposedtosaythis.Wecancureit.That'swhatI'mgoingoutwith.

DaveAsprey: TheCword.

JJVirgin: Iknow.IsaidtheCword.Idid.

DaveAsprey: Thegoodthingisneitherofusisadoctor,sowe'reallowedtosaywecurethings.

JJVirgin: Nope,sowecansaythat.


DaveAsprey: We'rejokingbecausewe'reattheAmericanAcademyofAnti-AgingMedicinerightnow,whichisthepreeminentanti-agingphysicianthing.JJ,you'vespokenhere?

JJVirgin: Ihave,acoupleofyearsinarow.

DaveAsprey: JJhasspokenacoupleofyearsinarow.

JJVirgin: He'sspeakingtomorrow.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.I'mgivingoneofthekeynotes.There'sfourguysnamedDavidgivingkeynotesoutoffive,butI'mtheonlynon-doctor.

JJVirgin: That'ssohilarious.That'swhyI'mnotgivingakeynotebecauseIdon'thavethenameDavid.

DaveAsprey: Right.Here,thedoctorswerelamentingatdinnerlastnight.IsharedwithDr.[inaudible01:01:47],who'salsobeenonBulletproofRadio,andDr.Ludwig,thatthere'sthingwheredoctorswhoaredoingthekindofstuffthatJJjusttalkedabout,theyputtheirlicenseatriskeverytimetheysay,"Thiswillsavealife.I'mgoingtodotherightthing,"butit'snotapprovedbyaboardofpeerswhoareprobablyallfundedbyMonsanto.

JJVirgin: Whoareverycatty,thoseotherones.They'rekindofmean.ItreallyisIviewusasweneedtobethepeople,therevolutionariesgettingitouttheresothatwecansupportthem.It'swhatSuzanneSomershasdonereallywell.

DaveAsprey: Reallywell,yeah.

JJVirgin: Sheopenedthedoorforsomanydoctorsbecauseshewaswillingtotakethehits.Iamtotallywillingforthemtojusthitmewiththis,butIamgoingtogetoutthereandsaveabunchofpeople'sbrains.

DaveAsprey: JJ,we'reunlicensedbiohackers.Youcan'ttakeourlicense,butwe'regoingtotalkaboutwhatworks,whichisreallycool.IfyoulikewhatJJhadtosayandyoushouldbecauseJJisawesome,thisishernewbook,TheMiracleMindset.YoucanorderittodayonAmazon.

JJVirgin: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Isthatwhattheyshoulddo?

JJVirgin: It'supthereforpre-orderonAmazon.

DaveAsprey: Barnes&Nobleoroneoftheotherplaceswherebooksaresoldonlineinpre-orderformatandthiswillbehittingshelvesinFebruary,right?


JJVirgin: Yes.

DaveAsprey: Ordernow,though.JJwillappreciateitandsodoIbecauseit'scool.She'salsogotadocumentarycomingout.Ifyouwanttoknowtheverydepthsofwhatbiohackingcando,andjusttakingcontrol,anddoingeverythingthatmightworkallatonce,andjustnottakingnoforananswerandbeingunstoppable,thisisareallypowerfulbookanditincorporatessomeofthosespiritualenergeticstuffthatfittheintentandhowintentmatters,anditalsoincorporatessomeofthehardlessonsofokay,thisistraumaandthisishowyoudealwithhospitals.It'sagreatbookandoneIwouldreallyrecommendyoucheckout.JJ,thanksforbeingonBulletproofRadio.

JJVirgin: Thankyou[crosstalk01:03:24].Thatwasabighugifyou'relistening.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.Itsoundedlikestaticonthemic,butifyou'reonvideo,yousawIjustgaveJJahug.ThankyouallonFacebookandforallofyoulisteningontheiTuneschannel.Ifyouenjoyedthis,youcandosomethingthatwouldreallymatterforme.Ifyougothereandjustleaveafive-starratingoniTunessootherpeoplecanfindtheshow,I'dreallyappreciateit.Thankyou.

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