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DISCIPLINARY
BOARD
T
LOUISIANA
STATE BAR
ASSOCIATION
IN
RE:
JOYCE
NANINE
MCCOOL
The sworn s t a t emen t o f
FIV
R
2 t 2 2
N NIN
M OOL t a ken a t th e Of f i c e o f D i s c i p l i n a r y
Counse l , 4 Sou th
Sherwood
F r e s t
Bou l eva r d ,
Su i t e
607 , Ba ton Ro ge ,
Lou i s i a n a ,
beg i nn i ng a t
9:20 a
i
on March
20 , 2012 .
Be fo r e
Mark LaCour , . C e r t i f i e d
Stenomask
R epo r te r , in and
fo r th e S t a t e o f
Lou i s i a n a .
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Joyce McCool
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PPE R NCE S
FOR THE OFFICE OF
D I S C I P L I N A R ~ 7
COUNSEL:
OFFICE
OF THE
DISCIPLINARY
COUNSEL
A t t o r n e y s
a t Law
4000 S o u t h
S h e r w o o d
F o r e s t B o u l e v a r d
S u i t e 607
B a t o n R o u ~ e L o u i s i a n a ~ 8 1 6
BY: MON
MANNING,
ESQ.
C O N
T E N
T S
EXAMINATION OF
JOYCE
MCCOOL:
Mr.
M a n n i n g
R e p o r t e r s
P a g e
C e r t i f i c a t i o n
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O r l e a n s
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M a n d e v i l l e L o u i s i a n a
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HAVING
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Q .
Good
m o r n i n g Ms.
M c C o o l .
My
name is
Damon
M a n n i n g a n d I am
a d e p u t y
disciplinary
c o u n s e l
h e r e f o r t h e O f f i c e
o f
D i s c i p l . i n a r y
C o u n s e l .
I
wa
s
a s s i g n e d
t o investigate a c o m p l a i n t the: t w a s filed
a g a i n s t
y o u b y
D e b o r a h
G a m b r e 1 G A M B
R ~ E L L who
I
u n d e r s t a n d is
c
j u d g e i n
M i s s i s s i p p i ?
A .
Y e s
sir.
Q .
Have y o u
h a d a c h a n ~ e t o r e c o r d
in M i s s is s i p p i ?
A. Y e s .
Q . F o r t h e r e c o r d t h e file
n u m b e r
is
2 8 4 6 9 .
I h a v e some
q u e s t i o n s
f o r y o u
a b o u t some activities i n t h e E o c i a l
m e d i a
a r e n a w h i c h
b e c a u s e o f
t h e n a t u r e
o f t h e
c o m p l a i n t I
will tell
y o u
a n d we ll
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s h e
r e m a r r i e d
now?
A .
M a u r e r .
A .
C o r r e c t .
name
now?
I s
Ms.
M a u r e r
a c l i e n t
o f
kay..
A .
Yes
s h e is
Q
And I k now
a n d 11 tal
k
A.
She i s now
y e s .
Q . T h a t s M-A-U-R-E-R:
Q .
And how
d o e s
s h e
saV h e r last
t a l k a little bit a b o u t t h i n g s l i k e
T w i t t e r
and
stuff l i k e t h a t w h i c h
b e f o r e
I
r e a d some
o f
t h a t
stuff
I knew n o t h i n g
a b o u t . I m
still i n
t h e d a r k a g e s b u t
I m blissfully
i n t h e
d a r k
a g e s .
So
w e r e
g o i n g
t o
t a l k a b o u t p r o c e e d i n c s t h a t
i n v o l v e
a
l a d y
named
Raven Boyd
I
b e l i e v e
was
h e r m a r r i e d name a t
least
when
s h e
was
m a r r i e d t o
M i c h a e l
Boyd
b u t
I t h i n k
is
y o u r s ?
a b o u t two
d i f f e r e n t
p r o c e e d i n ~ s T h e r e s
a
M i s s i s s i p p i
c a s e
and
a
o u i ~ i a n a c a s e
w h i c h
I
t h i n k i s
an
a d o p t i o n m a t t e r?
A. . C o r r e c t . And j l i s t f o r
clarification
i n t h e a d o p ti o n
m a t t e r I
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a c t u a l l y r e p r e s e n t h e r h u s n ~ b u t
I
c o n s i d e r
them
b o t h c l i e n t s h a s
Q W h a t s h i s
name?
A .
D u s t i n
C
Q . And
you
s a i d you c o h s i d e r them
b o t h
c l i e n t s
a n d you a c t u a l l y r e p r e s e n t
D u s t i n .
Do you r e p r e se n t R a v e n
i n d i v i d u a l l y o r s p e c i f i c a l l y
~ n a n y o t h e r
m a t t e r ?
A
She
h a s
a
p e r s o n a l
i n j u r y
c a s e
t h a t
my
f i r m is
r e p r e s e n t i n g
tut t h e o t h e r
a t t o r n e y .
I
d o n t do
a
l o t o f
p e r s o n a l
i n j u r y so
I
g a v e it t o t h e o t h e r a tt o r n e y
i n my o f f i c e .
Q . A l l r i g h t .
A
I n
t h e s e n s e
t h a t
Raven
a s k s
me
a l o t o f
q u e s t i o n s a b o u t t h e a d o p t i o n
p r o c e s s and
I
h a v e
t a l k e d too h e r
e x t e n s i v e l y
a b o u t
c u s t o d y
mat e r s i n
L o u i s i a n a
I
c o n s i d e r h e r
a lient But I
d o n t b e l i e v e t h a t
I
r e p r e s e n t
h e r
i n
any
o t h e r c a s e d i r e c t l y
i n
L o u i s i c
na
o t h e r
t h a n
t h r o u g h
t h e a d o p t i o n .
Q - T h e p e t
i
t i o n e r i nth e
Lou
i s i a n a
m a t t e r would be D u s t i n ?
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A . Yes
A Yes
A T h a t s c o r r e c t .
E l i s k a i s o f
c o u n s e l .
S h e s a new
h e r
eah
and
s h e w i v e ~
h e r
Q .
A l l r i g h t . B e f o r e we g e t i n t o
A
We
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s
h e s n o t
s h e
s
Q .
B o t h m i n o r s ?
Q . And you have
a
f a m i l y law
A
2 0 0 0 O c t o b e r 6 2 0 C O .
r i g h t t o
be a p a r t y o r t o appec r i n
t h a t
t o
some d e g r e e
b e c a u s e o f t h e
l 1 i s s i s s i p p i
p r o c e e d i n g .
Q . S u r e .
D u s t i n
a s
I
u n d e r s t a n d it
i s
s e e k i n g t o
a d o p t
t h e c h i l d r = n t h a t were
b o r n t o M i c h a e l and Raven?
Q 0
kay .
And
it s
t h e
t w0 g i r
I s
r i g h t ?
t h e c a s e its lf
t ll me
wha t yE a r were you
a d m i t t e d t o
p r a c t i c e
law?
y o u r p r a c t i c e
and
how it s
s e t
up
p r a c t i c e
p r i m a r i l y ?
A
.
P . r i m a r i l y .
Q . You s a i d
you
h a v e a
p a r t n e r
o r
a n a s s o c i a t e o r s o m e t h i n g . Te I me
a b o u t
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March 20, 2012
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A . We d o .
U - A - R - E - Z .
m i n o r l a n d l o r d - t e n a n t
issues.
I mean I
d o
Q .
Do
y all s h a r e
p h y s i c a l office
O k a y ..
Q . To
t h e
e x t e n t I b l e w right
b y
e x p e r i e n c e d o i n g p e r s o n a l n ~ r y s o
I
refer
a n y p e r s o n a l i n j u r y c a ~
I
g e t
t o
h e r
b e c a u s e I don t
do a lot o f t h e m .
Q . What is h e r name?
A . E l i s k a E L I S K 11. J u a r e z J -
A. And I
do
b a n k r u p t c y . I
do
some
attorney. I r e m e m b e r how difjicultit was
just
c o m i n g
o u t o f l a w s c h o o l s o
I try
t o
h e I p
h e r
o u t . An d 5 he h a s a I p t 0 f
s p a c e t o g e t h e r ?
r e a s o n
I
b e c a m e
a
l a w y e r a n d my e m p h a s i s
pretty
much
a
g e n e r a l .
p r a c t i c E
b u t
t h e .
h a s a l w a y s b e e n f a m i l y
l a w .
it state y o ~ r name a n d y o u r Q f f i c e
a d d r e s s
f o r t h e
r e c o r d .
A .
S u r e .
F u l l
name is J o y c e N a n i n e
M c C o o l .
My
-- a n d
I w as
actually l i c e n s e d
l i n d e r my m a i d e n
name mo;V t
I chahg ed
w i t h th e b a r .
My
a d d r e s s i ~ 1 7 7 2
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O r l e a n s
Street M a n d e v i l l e 7 0 4 4 8 .
Q . How l o n g h a v e y o u b e e n
at
that
a d d r e s s ?
A . A y e a r a n d a half.
Q .
A r e y o u
l i c e n s e d
in
a n y
o t h e r
states?
No
Q . Y o u r e f r o m
L o u i s i a n a ?
A B
0
r n a n d r a i
s e d
.
Q . W h e r e
d i d
y o u g o t o h i g h
s c h o o l
a t ?
A . I
started
a t
F r a n k l i n
a n d
actually didn t
g r a d u a t e .
I l a v e a G E D
t h e n I
j o i n e d t h e
military.-
Q . Wha t b r a n c h ?
A .
C o a s t
G u a r d .
Q .
O k a y .
A I w a s i nth e m i l
ita
r y a c t i v e
d u t y f o r
f o u r a n d a
half
y e a r s . I w a s
i n
t h e
r e s e r v e s
until
2 0 0 6 . I
w a s
activated
f o r b o t h o f t h e
I r a q
altercations
o p e r a t i o n D e s e r t F r e e d o m
a n d
I ~ e s e r t S t o r m .
I
d o n t
k n o w
t h e y
all r u n together. I
w a s
a
c
t u a
1 1 yon a c t
i v e
9 \ l
t
y. fer
t h
r e
e .
y e a r s i n
2 0 0 3
t o 2 0 0 6 .
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2
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Q.
A.
Q.
Wel l ,
t h anks fo r
you r s e r v i c e .
Thank
you .
You ve
- -
y o u v e been d i s c h a r g e d
4
s i n c e o r
5
6
A.
Q.
A.
I r e s i gned .
And went to
law s c h ~ o l
Ac tua l l y
went
to
law s c hoo l
8 b e f o r e
t h a t .
I
went
to law
sC loo l
wh i l e I
9 was
still in
th e
r e s e r v e s and
th e Coas t
10 Guard d i d n t
pay fo r
any o f t h a t . But I
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went to
law s choo l .
I
s t a r t e d
in 9 7 ,
12
yeah .
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Q
.
A.
Q.
Where
d id
you
t t n ~
law
s choo l ?
LSD.
Wel l , c o n g r ~ t u l t i o n s on th e
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r oad
t h a t
you v e
t r a v e l e d .
It sounds
l i k e
17
it s
been r ewa r d i ng and t r y i n g p robab l y a t
18 t i o s a s we l l .
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A.
I v e had
I c a n t compla in .
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L i f e i s abo u t c ha l
eng
e
san
d -
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Q.
I m
no t
r e a l l y
he re
to
h e a r your
c ~ m p l i n t s
anyway.
A. Exac t l y .
Q.
Le t s
tal k a
little b i t
first
abou t
t h i s
M is si s si p p i
c a s e . :
t
s
Michae l
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B o y d v e r s u s R aven Boyd, now
Maur e r ,
and
2 t s
i n
th e
Chance ry
Cou r t i n Mar i on
3 Coun t y , M i s s is s i p p i . Wha t I und e r s t a n d is
4 that t h e
c omp l a i n a n t . i n
this
ma t t e r , Judge
5 Debo r ah
G am bre l l , i n o w presiding in that
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c a s e b u t
sh e
t o ok it
ov e r
I
gu=s s b e c a u s e
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Judge
Jam es Thom as , Jr.
th e
original
8 ju dg e , p a s s e d away . I s that
i n f o rma t i o n
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y o u .
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A .
Sound s familiar.
wou l d n t
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k n o w
that
first hand b u t --
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Q .
A n d I gue s s my
q u e s ~ i o n is
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y o u r e no t
l i c e n s e d i n
M i s s i s s i p p i b e c a u s e
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I ve
a s k ed
y
if
y o u we r e l i c ~ n s e d
i n
any
15 o t h e r
states.
A re y o u i n any ~ y i n v o l v e d
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i n
th e
M i s si s s i p p i
c a s e ?
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A .
Q.
N o t
at
all.
N o t
hav i ng
haven
t s o u gh t
o r
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b e en
a dm i t t e d
p ro hac v i c e ?
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A .
Q .
N o .
Do
you k n o w w h o
r e p - e s e n t s
Raven
22 i nth e
M is
sis s i p p ic a s e ?
23
A .
S h e had an a t t o r n e y name d Alex
24 I - G - - N - A - T - I - E - - V r t h i n k h e s ay s
25
g n a t i ~ v S h e s currently
d e a l i n g
wi t h
a n
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o u t o f
t h e
district
c o u r t ?
d o n t know.
w i t h
h e r
a p p e a l .
t o
M i s s i s s i p p i c o u n s e l
w h n v ~ r s h e
h a s
i n
Q. So t h e M i s s i s s i p p i
c a s e
i s now
a t t o r n e y , P a t r i c i a S m i t h , who i s
a n
Q .
Okay.
A . It s on
a p p e a l .
Obv- ious ly it s
a c u s t o d y
c a s e
s o t h e d e g r e e
t h a t
a t t o r n e y i n M i s s is s i p p i w h o s
h e l p i n g . h e r
A. You know I r e a l l y - - h o n e s t l y
I m
n o t
t h a t f a m i l i a r
w i t h
M i s s i s s i p p i
p r o c e d u r e and s o I
know t h a t
s h e s on
a p p e a l .
mean a n d s p e a k
w i t h
P e t h e e
p h o n e t i c ) a n d w h o s
P a t r i c i a
S m i t h ,
a n d
t a l k e d w i t h
Raven e x t e n s i v e l y a b o u t
h e r
a p p e a l
i n M i s s i s s i p p i
b u t d o n t
Q.
I g u e s s my o n l y
q u e s t i o n was
d o n t
know
M i s s is s i p p i
l a w ,
d o n t
u n d e r s t a n d M i s s i s s i p p i l a w . ]
r e f e r
Raven
one o f t h o s e
q u e s t i o n s becaUSE
. h o n e s t l y
s i n c e t h e
c o m p l a i n t
was f i l e d ,
and
h a v e n t c h e c k e d
t h e
s t a t u s o f
t h e
c a s e
M i s s i s s i p p i ~ b a s e d
on y o u r comments
a b o u t
P a t r i c i a
S m i t h
r e p r e s e n _ i n g
h e r
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h u g e .
It s
really
l o n g .
I ve
n o t
--
I ve
r e a d
h e a r i n g , t h e p o r t i o n s that a f j F e c t o u r
A . T h e r e was -- t h e r e VIas a trial
I
h a v e
it
electrcnically
t o
r e v i e w
t h e M i s s i s s i p p i r e c o r d ?
itself h a v e
you e v e r h a d t h e
a p o r t u n i t y
a p p e a l
I was w o n d e r i n g
maybe
h a d t h e r e
b e e n
a h e a r i n g , h a d
t h e r e
b e e n i n a
trial
h e a r i n g , w h a t e v e r
t h e y
call it i n
a n d a
r u l i n g
that
t h e y
w e r e a p : > e a l i n g
o r
a r e t h e y
r e m e m b e r e x a c t l y
t h e
d a t e , a n d t h e r u l i n g
f r o m that h e a r i n g is
w h a t R a v e
1 i s
Q .
Now
f r o m t h e
M i s s i s : : i p p i r e c o r d
A .
I
h a v e
t h e
M i s s is s i J ; p i r e c o r d .
I h a v e
n o t
b e e n a b l e t o r e v i e w all o f it.
M i s s is s i p p i , i n A u g u s t o f last y e a r ,
can t
a p p e a l i n g .
that r e c o r d .
a d o p t i o n
p r o c e e d in g s h e r e b e c a p s e they re
p o r t i o n s
o f
t h e transcript r ~
t h e
d i s t u r b i n g ,
b u t
I --
a n d
I
c a n
g i v e
you
a s s u m i n g
that
R a v e n
w o u l d
n o t < b j e c t
t o
that
b u t ,
you
know,
r
h a v e it. I
just
d o n t
ha.ve t i m e to
go
t h r o u g h it. r
t
s
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
22
3
24
25
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1
. Q .
I un d e r s t a n d . I wa 3 j u s
t
2
c u r i o u s t o
know w h e t h e r
o r
n o t
y o u r c l i e n t
3 had e i t h e r made t h a t a v a i l a b l e t o
you o r
4 w h e t h e r
you
had b e e n
a b l e t o
~ c e s s it
5 t h r o u g h t h e M i s s i s s i p p i c o u r t s y s t e m .
6
7
A
Q
She b r o u g h t it t o mp
And you
would h a v e ~ l e d i n g s
8
r u l i n g s ?
9
A
I
h a v e t h e
r e c o r d t r a t
t h e y g a v e
1
h e r f o r a p p e a l .
She
r o ~ g h t
i
t o
me and
11 we s c a n n e d
it
f o r h e r .
12
13
Q
A
I
g o t y o u .
And s o I h a v e a n
e l e c t r o n i c
14
v e r s i o n
o f it a n d t h e n
s h e h a s
a c c e s s
t o
15
t h a t t h r o u g h Drop Box
I d o n 1 know
if
16
y o u r e
f a m i l i a r
w i t h
Drop
Box
I
h e l p
17
Raven a l o t and I m n o t g o i n g t o
18
19
Q
A
How do you know h e r ?
She came i n t o
my
o f f i c e
g o s h
I
2
w i s h I c o u l d remember t h e y e a r
t would
h a v e
b e e n
2 0 0 7 .
I
t h i n k
I j u s t
g o t
b a c k
from
t h e m i l i t a r y and
it
waE
e i t h e r
3
2 7
o r 2 0 0 8 .
She
came t o
me a b o u t t h i s
4
cas e and I a d v i s e d
h e r
t h a t I
d i d n t
5
p r a c t i c e
M i s s i s s i p p i law a n d I h e l p e d
h e r
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1 g a v e h e r some
i n f o r m a t i o n a b o u t
how t o
2 hire a M i s s i s s i p p i attorney. And t h e n h e r
3 h u s b a n d
~ a c t u a l l y . h e r
h u s b a n d w o r k e d f o r
4
my
h u s b a n d .
I t h i n k that s p r p b a b l y how
5 s h e
came
t o me a n d t h e n I d i d some w o r k
6
f o r h e r h u s b a n d . And t h e n s h e
a n d t h e n
7
s h e
came
b a c k
t o
me at some
po n t
i n
8
crisis
i n
t h e c a s e
i n
Mississirpi
frantic.
9
A n d
you know
I
k i n d o f
do a life
10
c o a c h i n g
i n
my office
s o
I t r i ~ t o h e l p
h e r . B u t
part
o f t h e
r e a s o n I
b e c a m e
s o
12 i n v o l v e d
w i t h
this
c a s e is
e ~ u s e o f t h e
13
c h i l d r e n . a n d t h e c o m p e l l i n g s t o r y o f t h e s e
14
k i d s a n d t h e c o n c e r n s that I f o r
t h e s e
15 k i d s .
16
Q And
let
me
just
s a y
state
t o
17
y o u
on t h e
r e c o r d
s o that it de e s n t come
18 a c r o s s
a s me b e i n g
c a l l o u s t o w ~ r d s
t h o s e
19 u n d e r l y i n g allegations. T h e y
I
h o p e
you
20
u n
d
e r s
t a n
d d o n t n e e e 5 s a r i
1 Y h
a v e a
b e a r i
n
g 0
nth
e q u e 5 t
i o n
s t h a t h a
v
e
f o r
22
y o u .
23
A
I
d o .
I c a n - t a n d I m
n o t i n v o l v e
d i n
5 w h a t t h o s e allegations
a r e
a n d
w h e t h e r
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1
there s t r u t h
i n w h a t s h o u l d c r
s h o u l d
n o t
2
h a v e h a p p e n e d a s
a
r e s u l t o f t h o s e
3
a l l e g a t i o n s e i t h e r a t t h e
d i s 1
rict c o u r t
4
o r t h e a p p e a l
c o u r t o r
e v e n
througl?-
law
5
e n f o r c e m e n t
b e c a u s e I
t h i n k
I
u n d e r s t a n d
6
a t some p o i n t maybe
t h a t
Raven
had
f i l e d
a
7 c r i m i n a l c o m p l a i n t o r
m a y b e t r e re
was a
8 c r i m i n a l p r e li m i n a r y i n v e s t i g ~ t i o n a g a i n s t
9 t h i s
10
12
A.
Q.
A.
T h e r e
was
--
M i c h a e l
Boyd?
i n M ~ s s i s s i p p i
T h e r e was
i n
13
M i s s is s i p p i . B u t I u n d e r s t a n c t h a t
14
e n t i r e l y
b u t
you know
e n t i r E
l y o n
t h e
15
r e c o r d
I
have t o tell
you
t h a t
a
b i g
16
componen t
o f
my
i n v o l v e m e n t
i r
t h i s
c a s e
17 is
b a s e d
upon
my
c o n v i c t i o n
and
commi tmen t
18
t o c h il d re n
i n
g e n e r a l
and
t h e s e c h i l d r e n
19 i n p a r t i c u l a r .
20
2
Q.
A.
T h e s e
a r e young c h i l d r e n r i g h t ?
Very young c h i l d r e n . When
I
22 first met Raven t h e y were
f o u r and
t w o .
23
Q. T h e r e is
and
it c a
ne
i n a s p a r t
24 o f
t h e
c o m p ~ a i n t w h i c h
i s why
~ e s e e n
25
it
a n
Aug
u s
t 1
3 2 aa7 0 r d e r b
J u d g e
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March 2p 2 12
16
1
Thomas who was i n t h e
M i s s i s s i p p i
c a s e a t
2 t h e
t i m e
3
A.
What
was t h e d a t e a q a i n was
it
4 A u g u s t
5
Q .
A u g u s t
1 3
2 0 0 7 .
6 A . Okay.
7
Q . And
it h a d
s o m e t h i n g
t o
do
w i t h
8 a m o t i o n a
p e t i t i o n
t h a t was b r o u g h t by
9 J o h n Smal lwood who was g u a r d i c n ad l i t e m .
10
A.
Q.
Uh huh .
And he was
s e e k i n g
t e m p o r a r y
12
e m e r g e n c y
relief And i n
l o o k i n g
a t
t h a t
13 o r d e r
I m
g o i n g
t o
k i n d
o f
Dust r e a d a
14 c o u p l e
o f
t h i n g s I
e x t r a c t e d
f
rom
t h e
15 o r d e r and w e l l t a l k
a
little
bit
a b o u t
16
- t h a t
a s
w e l l
b u t
t h e o r d e r
s a y s
it
17
c o n t a i n s
t h e s t a t e m e n t
q u o t e
a f t e r
18
h a v i n g
b e e n i n f o r m e d t h a t t h e
d e f e n d a n t
19
who would h a v e b e e n
Raven
i n t h e
2
M is s i s
s i p
pic a s e s a
aft
e r h a
i n g bee n
2 i n f o
rmed
t h a t t h e
de f
e n d a n t ~ e s
n o t
22
o p p o s e
t h e p e t i t i o n t h e
c o u r t
f i n d s t h a t
23 t h e m o t i o n i s w e l l t a k e n and s h o u l d
be
and
24
is here by g r a n t e d . Then f u r t h e r down it
s a y s Raven
Boyd
Wanda P h i l l i p s I m
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1
g o i n g t o s t o p .
Who
is
Wanda
P ~ i l l i p s
2
3
4
5
A
Q
A
Q
R a v e n s m o t h e r .
Okay
Q u i t e a fire
c r a c k e ~
So
t h e
o r d e r s a y s Raven Boyd
G Wanda P h i l l i p s
and a n y
p e r s o n s a c t i n g on
7 their b e h a l f o r a t
their
d i r e c t i o n
a r e
8 h e r e b y
e n j o i n e d
f rom m a k i n g t h e same o r
9 s im i l a r a l l e g a ti o n s o f s e x u a l a b u s e
as
t o
1
t h e
m i n o r c h i l d r e n
o f t h e
p a r t i e s
h e r e i n
11 a n d t h e n it
a l s o
s a y s Raven oyd Wanda
12 P h i l l i p s
a n d
any p e r s o n a c t i n g on t h e i r
13 b e h a l f o r a t t h e i r d i r e c t i o n a r e
e n j o i n e d
14
f r o m s u b j e c t i n g t h e m i n o r
c h i l d r e n t o
15
anymore mec:iical e x a m i n a t i o n s j
o r
t h e
same
o r
s i m i l a r a l l e g a t i o n s
o f
s e x u a l
a b u s e .
17
Okay
a g a i n
t h a t d a t e was A u g u s t 1 3
o f
18
2 0 0 7 . Do you
know f r o m I
d c n t want
t o
19
g e t
i n t o a t t o r n e y - c l i e n t p r i v j l e g e o k a y
W s o do
you
know f rom
h a v i n g
r e v i e w e d t h e
21 r e c o r d o r s i n c e you
d o n t
r e p r e s e n t h e r
i n
22
M i s s is s i p p i
maybe h a v i n g d i s c t s s e d t h e
23 M i s s i s s i p p i c a s e d i d
t h i s
would
t h i s
M h a v e
b e e n fter
t h e r e
h a ~ a l r e a d y b e e n
25 some t y p e o f c r i m i n a l i n v e s t i g a t i o n o r
an
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18
1
i n v ~ t i g t i o n
by
t h e c h i l d w e l f a r e
2
s e r v i c e s
i n
M i s s i s s ip p i
o f
t h e s e
3 a l l e g a t i o n s ? I m w o n d e r i n g what
p r o m p t e d
4 this o r d e r b e c a u s e it s p r e t t y
s p e c i f i c .
5
A
W e l l I co u 1 d o n 1 y
v
e you
6 s p e c u l a t i o n
on
wha t p r o m p t e d t h a t o r d e r
7 a n d a s
f a r
a s W h a t was go i n g i n A u gus t
8
o f 2007 I know t h a t
- -
I m n o t s u r e
what
9
p r o m p t e d
t h e
o r d e r
and I w o u l d be g u e s s i n g
10
t o
s a y w h a t .
I know t h a t he s
11 u l t i m a t e l y Mr
M i c h a e l
Boyd
was
12 u l t i m a t e l y i n d i c t e d
i n
2 0 0 8 .
13
Q
What
h a p p e n e d
w i t h ~ h t
14
i n d i c t m e n t ?
15
A
It was
d i s m i s s e d
f ~ r a
y e a r
16
a n d
a
h a l f .
I
t w a
s
d i s
m
i s s
e d a s t
J
u n e
f
17 I d o n t know It was a b o u t a y e a r
and
18
a h a l f
later
t h e y d i s m i s s e d
it.
19
Q
The i n d i c t m e n t d e a l t w i t h t h e s e
2 a e g a t i o n s r
21
22
A
Q
Y e s .
s i m i l a r
a l l e g a t i b n s
o f s e x u a l
23
a b u s e ?
24
25
:A.
Q
Okay T h e r e
i s
t h e r e
i s
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March
2 12
19
1
later
a
J u p e
2 0 0 8 o r d e r
a n d
that is
2
p r o b a b l y
a l s o
b y J u d g e
T h o m a s b u t
3
n e v e r t h e l e s s i t s a y s b a s e d u p ~ n t h e n a t u r e
4 o f allegations made a n d p l e a d j n g s f i ~ i n
5 this m a t t e r
a n d t o protect t h e
m i n o r
6 children i n this m a t t e r t h e
entire
file
7
shall b e s e a l e d b y t h e l a w clerk a n d n o t
8
m a de
available
t o
a n y p e r s o n
until further
9 o r d e r
o f
this c o u r t
w i t h n o t i c e o f
a n y
10
s u c h
r e q u e s t f o r
disclosure b e i n g g i v e n t o
b o t h
parties
a n d
t h e
c o u r t a p p o i n t e d
12
g u a r d i a n a d litem h e r e i n . O k a y . So
13 t
h a t
s
J un
e
0
f 2 0 0 8 .
a n d
t h a t
w as
b e
f o r
e
14
J u d g e G a m b r e l l g o t i n v o l v e d ir t h e c a s e .
15 Is that a
fact t h e
fact o f s e ~ l i n g o f
t h e
16
r e c o r d ?
I s
that
s o m e t h i n g
that
y o u
w o u l d
17
h a v e known a b o u t ?
18
A . I m a w a r e that
t h e
t e c o r d w a s
19
s e a l e d .
I
mean
I
h e a r d
that r ~ p e a t e d l y
20
Q .
Do
y o u
k
now
w
h e n y W
u
d h a v e
come
t o know t h a t n
f o r m a
t i o n
22
A
I d o n t .
I m
1 17 e
b e e
n a
w a r
e
23 o f it f o r a w h i l e s o
t s
I
d o n t
know
24
that
I
w o u l d have b e e n ~ a w a r e o f it i n J u n e
25
2 0 0 8 .
I s
that w h a t
y o u s a i d ?
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t o I d me
n o t be s o u n u s u a l t o s e a l a r e c o r d o f
t h e s e
k i n d o f a11
e g a
t
i o n s
d e a i n g
w i t h
m i n o r c h i l d r e n
i s t h a t r i g h t
i n
y o u r
t h a p p e n s
a l l
t h e
t i m e .
i g h t .
Q .
Yes
A
Q . My
u n d e r s t a n d
i s
t h a t
it m i g h t
A B u t I m s u r e
I
became
a w a r e o f
A . t w ould have b e e n b e c a u s e Raven
it you know
more
t h a n a
y e a r
a g o .
B e f o r e
h e r c o m p i a i n t was made I m
s u r e
I
was made a w a r e
t h a t
t h e
r e c o r c was
s e a l e d .
Q . Would you h a v e
if
lYou
know
first become o f it t h r o u g h
yOl
r c l i e n t
t e l l i n g
you a b o u t it
o r t h r o u ~ h
y o u r
r e i e w
o f t h e r e c o r d ?
e x p e r i e n c e ?
I
a c t u a l l y a s k t o s e a l t h e r e c o r d s
h e r e
o f t e n .
Q .
L e t s
s w i t c h g e a r s j u s t
a
little
bit
and
t a l k a b o u t t h e L o u i s i c n a
p r o c e e d i n g s
t h e
a d o p t i o n p r o 8 e e d i n g s
which a r e i n t h e 22
J u d i c i a l
D i s t r i c t
C o u r t b e f o r e J u d g e Dawn m a c k ~ e r
T e l l
me
how
t h a t came a b o u t and how yeu g o t
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
12
3
14
5
6
17
18
9
2
2
22
23
24
25
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Q .
Y e s .
D u s t i n
R a v e n s h u s b a n d h a s a i s e d t h e s e
c o n s e n t s a n d t h e c o u r t
c a n
i g r o r e any
h a v e
- -
you
know
t h e money was an
i s s u e .
So it t o o k them a
I
d o n t know
if
you
So
b a s e d on
t h o s e
f a c t s
i n v o l v e d i n
t h a t c a s e .
A .
W e l l
u n d e r
L o u i s i a n a
l a w if you
A I n t h e
a d o p t i o n
p r o c e e d i n g ?
if a p a r e n t d o e s n t p a y
c o u r t o rd e r e d
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3
r e l o c a t e d t o L o u i s i a n a
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p r o c e e d i n g
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to
you
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f e l t
8
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r e q u e s t
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emergency hea r i ng?
10
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bu t
t h a t was
it
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a sepc
r a t e
hea r i ng
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b y
t h e o l d e s t
girl w ho
is
now l i n e
w ho
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2 just b e e n
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t o
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t h e UCCJEA b a s e d
o n
t h e
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t h e
a d o p t i o n
15
p r o c e e d i n g
started?
16
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that
w a s
w h i l e
t
h e
a d o p t i o n
17
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actually
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a n d i n
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w h i c h
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a b o u t t o file a m o t i o n i n that
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m a t t e r s b u t
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s t a y e d
b y J u d g e
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t o now b r i n g it b a c k
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b e f o r e t h e L o u i s i a n a c o u r t
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a c o m p l e t e l y
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p r e s e n t e d t h e
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was f i l e d ?
when a b o u t when?
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same c a s e .
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new
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t h i n k
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m a t t e r b e i n g s t a y e d r i g h t ?
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2 0 1 1 .
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you
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any
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f a c t
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A We h a d a n e m e r g e n c y h e a r i n g i n
2
f r o n t o f
J u d g e
A m a c k e r .
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d e n i e d t h e
m o t i o n .
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t o o k an = m e r g e n c y
4 w r i t
t o
t h e First C i r c u i t . The First
5 C i r c u i t d e n i e d it a n d t h e n I t o o k w r i t s
t o
6 t h e Supreme C o u r t who a l s o d e n i e d my w r i t
7 a p p l i c a t i o n .
8
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And s o y o u r e
b a c k
With t h e
9 a d o p ti o n p r o c e e d i n g s w h i c h
arE still
10
s t a y e d
a s
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u n d e r s t a n d i n L o u i s i a n a
o k a y .
11 So there s n o t h i n g a c t i v e o r o n g o i n g i n
12 ~ L o u i s i a n a
p r o c e e d i n g s
t o d c y?
13
14
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Q
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t h e y
w i l l
r e m a i f l t h a t
way
I
15
g u e s s
u n t i l t h e a p p e a l i n M i s s i s s i p p i is
16
r e s o l v e d ?
17
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fi
e a m o t i o n
18 i n t h e a d o p t i o n p r o c e e d i n g .
19
20
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A
Okay
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r e s t a r t e d ?
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e v e r
know
so I a p p r e c i a t e you
e du c a t i n g
me
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t h e
way
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was
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4
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t h i n k
t h e r e was
a ctually
two .
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me
a b o u t t h e s e
on l i n e
petitions
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whose i d e a
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13
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c h i l d r e n
16
a r e
t r e .a t e d in t h e c o u r t
s y s t em .
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we
17
were
really c o n c e r n e d
a b o u t
t h e s e
k i d s .
18
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it was a g roup
b r a i n s t o rm i n g
s e s s i o n
19
b u t
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ft
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t h
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t a k e
p l a c e ?
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was
th e
b r a i h s t o rm i n g
22
and
d ev e l o pmen t a l
pha s e o f
this?
23
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have b een ~ r th e
24
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i s s u e d
an
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25
p a r t e o r d e r . The
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a n d
m o l e s t e d
t o o k
p l a c e i n c h a m b e r s
o f f t h e
t h e r e a s o n i s when a
p a r e n t
d O E s n t
t h a t
d a t e
w h i c h was
i n J u l y b ~ t w e e n t h e n
B e c a u s e
Q . J u l y o f
wha t
y e a r ?
A .
Of 2 0 1 1 .
And
t h e n w i t h i n
two
o r d e r t h e
c h i l d r e n
b a c k t o u n s u p e rv is e d
visit tion a t t h e p l a c e
where
t h e y
were
r e c o r d . And
I
mean th t s my
u n d e r s t a n d i n g
a n d b a s e d
on
w h a t s
i n t h e
r e c o r d
th t s
wha t h p p e n e d ~ But and
it would h a v e b e e n
f r o m - t h a t
p o i n t
f rom
weeks o f
t h ~ t
d a t e I would
s a y
t h e r e
were some e f f o r t s made
i ~
M i s s i s s i p p i
t o
p r e v e n t t h e c h i ~ d r e n from
h a v i n g t o go and
t h o s e
were n o t you know,
t h e y
w e r e n t
e f f e c t i v e .
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n e x t
q u e s t i o n
was wha t
e l s e what e ~ s e c o u l d be
done t o p r o t e c t t h e c h i l d r e n .
Q .
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me k i n d o f
a s k
a q u e s t i o n
th t s
a little
o f f t h e p a t h hE
r e
j u s t
so
t h a t
I c a n
t r y t o
s t a y up
on
f a m i l y
law
a n d
w h a t s g o i n g on
b e t w e e n
L O l i s i a n a and
M i s s is s i p p i . You
s a i d
t h a t thp L o u i s i a n a
pr ocee.d.ings were
b e i n g b . r o u g h t and
p a r t o f
1
2
3
4
5
6
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10
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25
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r i g h t
3 o f
visitation o r c u s t o d y
o r l i v e up
t o
t h e i r
o b l i g a t i o n s
o f s u p p o r t f o r s i ]
m o n t h s
t h e n
t h e y g i v e
u p
t h o s e
r i g h t s
o r
~ o t h e r
s t e p -
p a r e n t c a n t h e n
m o v e
t o
a d o p t an d t a k e
o v e r t h o s e p a r e n t a l
r i g h t s ?
A . R i g h t . A nd I
t h i n k
r e a l l y t h e
k e y
h e r e
it s n o t
t h a t
t h e y
g i v e u p
r i g h t s . It s j u s t t h a t t h e c o ~ r t w h e n
f a c e d
w i t h
s o m e o n e
s a y i n g
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w a n t
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a d o p t
t h i s c h i l d c a n
i g n o r e t h e
o j e ~ t i o n o f
a
p a r e n t
who
h a s
n o t e i t h e r p a i d
s u p p o r t
c o u r t
o rd e r e d s u p p o r t f o r s i x n o n t h s o r
h a s f a i l e d t o make a r e a s o n a b l e e f f o r t t o
m a i n t a i n a
r e l a t i o n s h i p w i t h t h e
c h i l d .
S o
it s
n o t
l i k e
t h e y r e
n o t
a
p a r e n t
o r
t h e y
c a n t
s a y a n y t h i n g . T h e y c a n o b j e c t
b u t
t h e
c o u r t
i s no l o n g e r o b I g a t e d t o
Q .
o n s i d e ~ t h a t p o i n t : >
A . - - con s i d e r t h e i rot j e c t
i o n .
Q . O k a y A nd
b u t t h e n I m
s e e i n g
h e r e
i n J u l y o f
2 0 1 1
d O E S it l o o k
l i k e t h a t t h e f a t h e r w a s still t h r o u g h t h e
c.U
r t s y s t e m t r y i n g
toe n f o r c e t h o s e
r i g h t s
t o visitation a n d / o r c U 3 t o d y ?
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3
1
2
3
4
5
A
Q
A
Q
A
M ike Boyd?
Y e s .
Was
h e t r y i n g t o e n f o r c e ?
Y e s .
W e l l , on p a p e r it w u l d s e e m
6 that
way b u t t h e c a v e a t
t h e r e
~ s that
it
7 d o e s n t m a t t e r
if a p a r e n t o n c e
s e r v e d
8 w i t h a petition f o r a d o p t i o n t h e n s u d d e n l y
9
r . e - i n v e s t s
t h e m s e l v e s
i n t h e j ; : r o c e s s
a n d
10 tries t o
c u r e
it.
A l l that
rna
footers is
11 that
t h a t
s i x m o n t h p e r i o d
o c c u r r e d
a n d
12 that s w h a t establishes t h e
--
13 Q
M a t t e r s is
w h a t
h a s a l r e a d y
14 h a p p e n e d f r o m
t h e filing
o f t h e
petition
15 n o t w h a t
h a p p e n s
g o i n g f o r w a r d ?
16
17
18
19
20
r u 1 e .
22
23
A
Q
A
Q
A
Q
A
Y e s .
I
u n d e r s t a n d .
E v e n t u a l l y .
I g o t y o u .
It s n o t a real b l a c k a n d w h i t e
I
u n d e r s t a n d . o t ~ ng is.
R i g h t .
All.right. Who
p r e p a r e d :-.- a n d
25 I k now t h e r e was n t I
i k e
a p h Y i c a I
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petition
that y
all
t h e n
s c a n r ed
a n d
p u t
2
o n l i n e
b u t there s
s o m e y o u
know
3 s o m e t h i n g h a d t o
b e s e t u p .
4
A.
Oh right. It
was
t y p e d o u t .
5
We d i d it t o g e t h e r . We sat
do vn.
6
Q.
A.
At y o u r
o f f i c e ?
It was either at my office o r at
8 m y h o u s e .
9
Q.
How do y o u go a b o u t u p l o a d in g o r
10
c r e a t i n g l i n k s
t o
this?
11
A.
Oh t s all
d o n e
a t t o m a t i c a l l y .
12
It s
a c t u a l l y
13
Q.
I s
it
w h a t
that webE ite
is
14
d e s i g n e d t o
d o ?
15
16
d o .
A.
E x a c t l y
w h a t
it s dE s i g n e d
t o
17 Q . Who
is
c h a n g e d o t o r g ?
18 A. Some n o n - p r o f i t ] t h i n k
19 they re a n o n - p r o f i t a g e n c y w h i c h
. 2
b e l
i e v e s t h a t y o u k
now
inc h n get h r
u g h
21
s o c i a l
activity a n d
e n c o u r a g e s p e o p l e t o
22
y o u
know g e t
i n v o l v e d
a n d
23 Q .
What
a b o u t
B r i d g e
t c J u s t i c e ?
What is
t h a t ?
25
A. T h a t
is
a
n o n - p r o f i t
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o r g a n i z a t i o n that we p r o b a b l y w i l l try t o
2 g e t
o f f t h e
g r o u h d i n
t h e n e x t s i x
m o n t h s .
3
4
5
Q
I
A
Q
S o m e t h i n g
y o u r e
i n v o l v e d
i n ?
Y e s a b s o l u t e l y .
I s
it y o u r b r a i n c h i l d ?
A
It is
my
y e s .
t ~ my
w h a t
7 I
w a n t t o do w i t h
my training my
8 skills a b s o l u t e l y . .
9
Q
And this B r i d g e
t o
l u s t i c e w a s
10
u s e d
t o
h e l p
facilitate
t h e
o n l i n e
11
petition?
12
A
It
may h a v e
b e e n
--
we
u s e d it
13
a s
f o r
t h e
w e b s i t e
a n d t h e
E m a i l y o u
14 know b e c a u s e
o f
t h e potential f o r y o u
15 know
just
trying t o k e e p e v e r y t h i n g
16
s e p a r a t e .
I
a l r e a d y
g e t
t o o
m l c h
e m a i l
at
17 my o f f i c e s o -- a n d t o a l l o w
Rc
v e n a c c e s s
18 t o
a n y
e m a i l . I c o u l d n t g i v e h e r a c c e s s
19 t o my office
e m a i l
s o we set ut: y o u k n o w
20
i
t w a s j u s t - - i
twa
sa l
r e a
d y t h e res
0
we
2 u s e d t
h a t
a s
0
n v e n i e n c e
t
h i ng .
22
Q And y o u
d o n t know
ho
o p e r a t e s
23 t h e web sit e Ch a n g e d o t
r g ? Hhot h e --
24
25
. .
A .
Q
I don t
know
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a n d
A
No
w o r d .
o n e we u s e d .
It s
t s n o t who o p e r a t e s
A . Who owns it?
Q .
.
I S P
o r w h o e v e r
t r
e
that.
A . And
I h a v e t o t e l l - y b u
h o n e s t l y
A .
O k a y
t h e
r e
you
g o .
Tha t
s
t h e
A . Y e a h . I
t h i n k
t h e r e was a n o t h e r
t h e m t o facilitate?
Q A d m i n i s t r a t o r .
that
y o u r e
i n v o l v e d i n o t h e r h a n
you
u s e
Q .
o r g a n i z a t i o n o r o m e t h i n g
A . Who owns it? No b u t
y o u
all
y o u do is just
go
o n l i n e t o C h c n g e
d o t o r g
Q . U n l i k e B ri d g e t o U ~ t i t i c e
C h a n g e
d o t o r g is n o t
y o u r
I am
n o t
e x a c t l y s u r e w h a t h e r c o m p l a i n t
Q . T h a t is
t h e w o r d .
L ~ t s
s t o p
f o r a m i n u t e a n d p h y s i c a l l y
tale
a
l o o k
a t
some
o f t h e stuff i n t h e
petition
b e c a u s e
now w e r e k i n d o f getting t o
tte
m e a t
o f
w h a t t h e j u d g e was c o m p l a i n i n g a b o u t
i n
h e r
c o m p l a i n t t o
this office.
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
12
3
14
15
6
17
8
19
2
2
22
23
24
25
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1
is
e x c e p t
t h a t
s h e made some v e r y s e r i o u s
2
a l l e g a t i o n s a g a in s t me
r e g a r d j
ng
3 i n t i m i d a t i o n
o f
a f e d e r a l o f a
state
4
j u d g e .
But
t h e
r t h a n t h a t I n o t
5
I m
n o t s u r e w h a t h e r
c o m p l a i n t a g a i n s t me
6
is.
Q
L e t
me l o o k
I
g n o r j ng
t h e
8
h i g h l i g h t s w h i c h
o b v i o u s l y
I p u t
on
t h e r e
9 f o r me j u s t flip
t h r o u g h
r e a l q u i c k a n d
tell me if
t h a t
is
a
c o p y
o f t h e
o n l i n e
p e t i t i o n
t h a t y all
c r e a t e d
t h e r e
a n d
s e t
2
up on t h a t
Change
d o t
o r g
webs
teo
4
A
Q
It
l o o k s v e r y
much l i k e
it.
Ok
a y . An d it s s
eve
r alp a g e s
5
a n d let me a s k you a
c o u p l e
o f t h i n g s
6
One
s a y s
it s t a l k i n g
a b o u t
t h e s e
m i n o r
7
c h i l d r e n o f
Raven
a n d M i c h a e l ?
8
9
A
Q
Y e s
And it s a y s listen t o their
first d i s c l o s u r e t o Raven
a n d
h a s a
i n k wh i
chI i n k
s t 0 a n a u d i 0 0 j
t h e
22
c h i l d r e n s p e a k in g t o
someone
W:1 I p r e s u m e
23
t o be Raven their m o t h e r ?
4
25
Q
T
hat s
.co- r r e c t .
Okay
And t h e n it ~ a n d a
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d a y
later
their s e c o n d a n d
t h e
il
there s a
2
s e c o n d
link
t o
a n o t h e r
a u d i o 0 k i n d
o f
3
s h e w a s n t
i n t e r v i e w i n g h e r c h il d r e n b u t
4
y o u
know
I
mean s h e was
5
A . R i g h t .
6
Q
e n g a g e d
i n a
Q a n d
A a b o u t
7 some o f t h e s e
v e r y
sensitive i s s u e s a n d
8 allegations. W h e r e d i d t h e
w h e r e
d i d
9
t h e s e
come f r o m ? W h e r e d i d thE=se a u d i o
10
r e c o r d i n g s
o f
t h e
m o t h e r
a n d
t h e s e
c h i l d r e n
come f r o m ?
12
A
She
it
was
on a cell p h o n e .
13
S h e
h a d
r e c o r d e d t o n h e r c e l p h o n e .
14
15
Q
A
When?
At t h e t i m e y o u
n
e a n
when was
16
t h e d a t e ?
17
Q
Y e a h .
Wha t
t i m e f r d m e i n t h e
18 p r o c e e d i n g s was
this t a k i n g
p l a c e ?
19
A
Oh
i
twa
s
b e f o r
e t e
20
p r o
c e e d i n g t
art
e d .
2
Q
Was this
part o f
t h = e m e r g e n c y
22 p r o c e e d i n g i n
L o u i s i a n a ? D id it p r e d a t e
23 t h e e m e r g e n c y p r o c e e d i n g s ?
24
It
w a s n t it
was after
t h e
25
d i v o r c e i n
M i s s i s s i p p i
b e t w e e . l l M i c h a e l a n d
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Raven I d id
file
and
all th e ilitial
e v e r y t h i n g had e s s e n t i a l l y
beEn r e s o l v e d
and
b e f o r e
any a l l e g a t i o n o f s exua l abuse
were
b rough t .
I t h i nk t h ey wep:e
d i v o r c e d
i n
2 6 and
I
t h i nk
she
b rough t h e r
a l l e g a t i o n s o f
s e xu a l abuse in
J anua ry
o f
2007 ,
J anua ry o r
Feb rua ry
o f 2007 .
Q. Those were made a p 3 rt o f th e
M i s si s s ip p i
p r o c e ed i n g s a l s o , th e
a l l e g a t i o n s
o f
abuse?
A . I m p r e t t y s u r e . ~ s and I m
on ly answe r ing
t h a t
because
it s
a
t e c h n i c a l
q u ~ s t o
to some deg r e e . Was
it
a c t u a l l y made
a
p a r t o f th e re co rd ? I
know t h a t she r e p e a t e d l y t r i e c
to b r i ng
t ho se
a l l e g a t i o n s
to
th e
M i ss i ss i p p i
c ou r t
and she was
f a i r l y
unsucce s s f t :
1
even to
d a t e .
Q .
Do
you
know
if
ac tu3 . l cop i e s
o f
t h e s e r e co rd i ng s were
o f f e r ed i n t o
ev idence in
M i s s is s i p p i ?
A.
Accord ing
to Raven
t h o s e
r e c o r d i n g s
were n e v e r o ff e re d in to
e v i
den
ce_.
Q. This s a y s ,
t h i s
i s th e on l i n e
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petition
it s a y s after
v n ~
t h e
l i n k s
2
t o t h e two r e c o r d s it s a y s
now
c o n s i d e r
3 that
no j u d g e
h a s
e v e r
h e a r d t h e s e
4
r e c o r d i n g s .
Why?
B e c a u s e
f o r f o u r p o i n t
5 f i v e
y e a r s
t h e y h a v e s i m p l y r e f u s e d t o do
6
s o .
On A u g u s t 1 6 2011 J u d g e D e b o r a h
7 G a m b r e l l
a n d t h e
C h a n c e r y
CaUl
t o f
M a r i o n
8
C o u n t y
M i s s is s i p p i o n c e a g a i n r e f u s e d t o
9
a d m i t
all o f R a v e n s e v i d e n c e
i n c l u d i n g
1
t h e s e
r e c o r d i n g s . Maybe
that
a n s w e r s
t h e
11
q u e s t i o n s . A t
least b a s e d o n
that
t
12
w o u l d s u g g e s t that s h e o f f e r e e t h e m b u t
13
t h e y w e r e
n o t
a d m i tted.
14
A
And at t h e t i m e that that was
15 w r i t t e n I
t h i n k
b a s e d o n
R a v e n s
16
u n d e r s t a n d i n g
w ha t m e a n t
t o
o j
f e r
17 e v i d e n c e
that
was w h a t s h e b e l i e v e d . I n
18
r e a d i n g t h e transcript. it s o u r d s like t h e
19
e v i d e n c e that s h e d i d h a v e
a n a
o f f e r e d a t
2 t
h a t
h e a r i n g wh i c h
was
n
t t h e ere c o r d i n
g s
21
w a s n t a d m i t t e d
b u t
--
o r
it
was a n d t h e n
n t was t h r o w n
o u t b u t
s h e didn t --
23
a c t u a l l y
h e r
a t t o r n e y
d i d
n o t
b r i n g a n y o f
24 h ~ r t h e r
e v - i d e n c e
t o that h e a r i n g 50
it . . .
25 w
a
5
n
t
e v e
n
0
f
f e r
edt
h e n
.
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1
Q.
Oka.y. And r i g h t
n o ~
j u s t s o I m
2 c I e a r m 0 n 1 y t a l k i n g a b 0 u t he sea u d i 0
3 r e c o r d i n g s .
4
A. They
w e r e n o t a t t h e h e a r i n g .
5 At
t h e
t i m e Raven b e l i e v e d t h a t o f f e r i n g
6 it
i n t o e v i d e n c e
m e a n t s o m t h ~ n o t h e r
7 t h a n
t h e
t e c h n i c a l
t e r m
and
s c
that s why
8
it s a i d
t h a t
it was
o f f e r e d . But
i n
f a c t
9 it
w a s n t e v e n
b r o u g h t t o
c o u r t t h a t
d a y .
10
Q.
So t o
y o u r
k n o w l e d g e
t h e
tw o
11
r e c o r d i n g s t h a t a r e l i n k e d on
t h e
p e t i t i o n
12 w e b s i t e
o r
e v e n f o r y o u r T w i t t e r
a c c o u n t
13 a r e n o t i n t h e M i s s i s s i p p i r e c o r d ?
14
A.
T h a t s
t o
my
k n o w l e d g e . And
15 b e c a u s e
t h e
r e c o r d
i s
s e a l e d t h e r e s
no
16
way f o r
me
t o
know
if
t h e y r e
a c t u a l l y
i n
17
t h e r e
b u t a c c o r d i n g t o R a v e n no s h e
18 n e v e r
19 Q.
You
s a i d you
h a v e a copy
o f t h e
r e c o r d
t h o u g h .
21
22
A .
W e l l
b u t e v e n
i n
a copy
o f t h e
e v e n a copy o f t h e
r e c o r d
t h a t was
23
s u b m i t t e d t o t h e Supreme
C our
Raven has
24
b e e n de nied a c c e s s
t o any
o f t h e
e x h i b i t s
25
t h a t a r e
made
p a r t
o f t h e file
. .
So
s h e
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can t
even
tell
wh a t ' s
in t h e r e
and
so o f
2 cou r s e if
sh e
doesn t
know
I
d o n ' t
know .
3 But
she was
a d aman t that
sh e
--
that that
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made p a r t o f
th e r e co rd .w h ic h is
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frustration.
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b a s e d
on wha t
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that
was
e v e r o f f e r e d o f th e
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abu s e
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th e o n ly
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it was
e v e r
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directly
a d d r e s s e d
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wha t
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was
th e
d r aw i ng s
that
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a dm i t t e d them and
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wa s n ' t
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r e c o l d i n g s .
A .
She
t h a t
was
RaVE n
slay
u n d e r s t a n d i n g o f w h a t it m e a n t t o
o f f e r
e v i d e n c e b u t s h e d i d o f f e r e v i d e n c e a t
t h a t h e a r i n g
and
t h e c o u r t r e f u s e d
t o
c o n s i d e r it.
And
s h e
Q . But
n o t
t h e s e
r e c o r j i n g s ?
A .
Not t h o s e r e c o r d i n g s .
Q . SO a
r e a d i n g o r
an
i n t e r p r e t a t i o n
o f
t h a t s t a t e m e
n t
t h a t
would s u g g e s t
t h a t
J u d g e G a m b re l l
r e f u s e d
t o
a d m i t
o r c o n s i d e r t h e s e r e c o r d i n g s .
T h a t w o u l d n t be
t r u e b e c a u s e
t h e y
w e r e
n e v e r
f o r m a l l y
o f f e r e d ?
A . W e l l
i n
t h e f o r m a l s e n s e
it
w o u l d n t
b e
t r u e .
What
a c t u a l l y
d i d
h a p p e n was
Raven t o l d
t h e
c o u r t t h a t s h e
h a d e v i d e n c e t h a t s h e w a n t e d
t o
p r e s e n t t o
t h e c o u r t o f
t h e
a b u s e and
t h e
c o u r t
w o u l d
n o t
e v e n
e n t e r t a i n it.
And
t h e n
a p p a r e n t l y Raven w h a t came o u t t o
me
a f t e r w a r d s
was
t h a t
t h e e v i d e n . c e w a s n t
e v e n
i n c o u r t . I mean h e r a t t o r n e y didn t
e v e n b r i n gall
h e r
e v i den c e .
S h e was
i n c e n s e d
t h a t
he h a d n o t e v e n b r o u g h t it.
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w o u l d n t
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s h e
d i d
b r i n g
t o c o u r t
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h e r a n d
t h r o u g h
it
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t h e
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r e c o r d b e f o r e c r e a t i n g
t h e
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p e t i t i o n ?
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No
I
actually
just
g o t
a
c o p y
o f t h e r e c o r d a b o u t tw o
w e e k s
a g o .
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t o
b r i n g
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b u t f o c u s i n g o n t h e two r e c o r c
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now
was
that s o m e t h i n g
that
b e c a m e a part
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o f
y o u r
efforts i n
that
e m e r g e n c y
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p r o c e e d i n g b r o u g h t i n L o u i s i a l a b e f o r e
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t h e
--
we w o u l d ~ v e
b r o u g h t
23 t h e m h a d
we b e e n g i v e n a n e v i d e n t i a r y
24 h e a r i n g . We w e r e n o t
. q . l l o w e d a n
25 evidentiary
h e a r i n g . A l l we
r o u g h t
at
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t h e ex p a r t e h e a r i n g
was t h e
c l ~ p i e s o f t h e
b o o k .
Q.
The
j o u r n a l ?
A. The
j o u r n a l .
Q.
B u t
n o t
t h e
r e c o r d i
1 9 S ?
A.
No
b e c a u s e
you
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