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Page 1: Working With An Investigator - District of Columbia Bar · What AN’T an Investigator Do? •Lie. In certain cases, that includes pretexting •Get witnesses to change their story

Working With An Investigator

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What Can An Investigator Do?

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What Can an Investigator Do?

• Find and interview witnesses.

• Interview your client.

• Be a witness

• Go places you can’t – or won’t

• Gather documents, find new evidence.

• Find what you may have missed in records you already have.

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Finding an Investigator

• Listservs

• http://www.misahq.com

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Match the job …… to the person

• Surveillance

• Background checks

• Witness interviews

– What kind of witnesses?

– Where?

• Data analysis

• Retired law enforcement

• Adventurous liberal arts majors (including former journalists)

• Law students*

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Ask About Skills and Resources

• Databases

– Tracers

– IRB

– TLO

– Motor vehicle data

• The Basics

– Car

– Camera

– Releases

• Skills

– Familiarity with subject matter

• Mental health

• Criminal

• Insurance

– Internet

– GPS

– Video

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You’ve found someone who seems right. Now what?

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Hit the Streets?

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Discovery Dump?

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Talk About Expectations

Don’t assume your way is the way.

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Talk About Money First

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• Investigators can’t enforce a contract to pay against someone who never signed.

• Talk about your budget. Physical work takes more time.

• Retainer agreements can include language about your expectations of the investigator.

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Notes During Interviews?

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Notes During Interviews

• Depends on your preference. My go-to way:

• Always

– Prosecution witnesses

• Sometimes

– Defense witnesses

• No

– Nervous witnesses

– Sometimes civil cases

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All actions cause a reaction

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Communication

• Updates over the phone

• Email

• Memos

• Text

• Emoji?

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Investigating Santa

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Memos?

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Memo questions

• Will it be discoverable?

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Memo questions

• Will it be discoverable?

• Does your investigator have a photographic memory?

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Memo questions

• Will it be discoverable?

• Does your investigator have a photographic memory?

• Do you want to memorialize the good stuff or document inconsistent statements. (Short and sweet v. kitchen sink.

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Memo questions

• What format?

– Draft

– Bullet points

– Narrative

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Be Realistic

• Investigation takes time.

• Investigators can’t change facts, memories, or emotions. We may bring you bad facts, but we didn’t make them.

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What CAN’T an Investigator Do?

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What CAN’T an Investigator Do?

• Lie.In certain cases, that includes

pretexting

• Get witnesses to change their story.

• Find things that don’t exist.

• Use the internet to read minds or locate people who don’t partake in the 21st Century. The internet is not a crystal ball.

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Don’t you hate it when your clients tell you how to do your job?

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• We feel the same. BUT… we always respect a lawyer who’s an investigator at heart and respects the craft.

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Why interview witnesses?

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Why interview witnesses?

Find out what they will say.

Get dirt on another witness.

Find helpful information.

Create trust.

Find out what the other side is doing.

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Where are the witnesses?

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Who Are The Witnesses?

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Sorry, I lied.

The Internet

Is a Crystal Ball*

*Except when it’s not.

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Resources

• http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us

• http://douweosinga.com/projects/googlehacks

• http://registers.maryland.gov/main/

• https://services.wcc.state.md.us

• https://mdlandrec.net

• http://dclibrary.org/research/databases

• https://gov.propertyinfo.com/dc-washington/

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Looking for John Smith who works at UnderArmour

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Not much better

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Hack it up

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Better

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How to contact witnesses?

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Just call them, it’s cheaper.

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Suck it up and …

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Talking to witnesses

• Smile

• Think about questions, and answers, first. (Expectations.)

• Know who you’re talking to.

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Cultural Intelligence

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We Can’t Change A Witness’s Mind

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But Sometimes We Can Change How TheyThink About What TheyRemember

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Records!

Where does a witness work?

• Linked in, Indeed

• Real Estate Docs

• Workers Comp

• Divorce

• Child Support

• Civil and criminal records

• Landlord tenant court

History of lying

• Criminal and Civil Court

• Liens

• Workers Comp

• Facebook/Instagram

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Why can’t I just send a paralegal?

• What’s a court clerk’s favorite word?

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NO!

NO!

NO!

NO!

NO!

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Google Like Crazy

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Presenting/Preserving Evidence

• Maps

• Measurements

– Calibrate, calibrate, calibrate

• Photos

• Screen shots

• Even better ScreenFlow or similar

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ScreenFlow

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We share a client

• Talk about attorney-client privilege.

• Whenever possible, and especially in criminal cases, introduce the investigator and the client.

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Talking to your client

• Your client may not feel the same need to impress/not disappoint an investigator

• Your investigator may be a good translator –legal jargon is scary. And you may not understand your client.

• You may not really even know your client

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Who wouldn’t trust this face?

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Who wouldn’t trust this face?

Police say a 15-year-old Boy Scout charged with killing his parents and two younger brothers shot them as they slept, then returned a day later after spending time withfriends to stage the discovery of their deaths.

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Know How The Sausage Gets Made

• Don’t ask a PI to “just get it done.”

• Know the rules

• What you don’t know can hurt you.

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Anthony Pellicano

• Sentenced to 15 years in federal prison for illegal wiretaps

• Co-defendant was lawyer Terry Christensen who got three years

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A Good PI Will Say No

• If you ask them to break the law.

• If you ask them to interview a witness who is represented.

• If you ask them to lie.

• You are not the PI’s attorney and therefore she can’t use your advice as a defense if she breaks the law on your orders.

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More Resources

• Wedding registries (Target, Macy’s, https://www.zola.com)

• Past weather http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/customer-support

• http://weather.org/weatherorg_records_and_averages.htm

• https://www.guidestar.org/Home.aspx• https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/docketsheets.aspx• https://www.nycourts.gov• http://www.txdps.state.tx.us• https://projects.propublica.org/docdollars/