the john d. odegard school for aerospace sciences at the university of north dakota
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The John D. Odegard School for Aerospace Sciences at the University of North Dakota
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NTAS 2010 Presentation
Presenters:Jeremy Roesler, Chief Flight Instructor – AirplaneDick Schultz, Associate Director of Flight Operations
Contributors:Elizabeth Bjerke, Associate ProfessorDan Malott, Assistant Professor
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UND Students
7 Undergraduate Degree ProgramsMaster of Science in Aviation
Partnership with Tokai University, Japan
International Flight Training Contracts
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Aircraft/FTD Fleet
43 – Cessna 17218 – Piper Warrior10 – Piper Arrow15 – Piper Seminole
2 – King Air C90B
2 – Cessna 1502 - Decathelon1 – PA12 Supercruiser
11 – Frasca FTD2 – Frasca Mentor1 – Level 6 CRJ FTD
2 – Bell 206B6 – Schweizer 300C
1 – Boeing Scan Eagle UAV
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UND Flight Operation
FY10 – over 118,000 hours (aircraft and FTD)
2009 - 23rd busiest ATC control tower
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UND People38 - Academic Faculty250 - Flight Instructors30 - “Flying” Management Staff
FAA and JCAB Designated Examiners on staff
500+ Total Employees
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H.R. 3371
“allow specific academic training courses to be credited pursuant to section 11(d)
toward the total flight hours required to receive an airline transport pilot certificate.”
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H.R. 3371 Response Considerations
• Where is the balance for collegiate aviation?
– The recruitment and retention of students, vs.
– The stability of the CFI workforce working with those students
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ATP Aeronautical Experience Requirements (FAR 61.159)
• 1500 Hours Total Time– 500 Hours Cross-Country Time (33%)– 100 Hours Night Time (7%)– 75 Hours Instrument Time (5%)
• These requirements have been in place since a 1997 rule change…
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Comparison between FAA and ICAO
• FAA - Cross-Country Definition for ATP (61.1)– (A) Conducted in an
appropriate aircraft;– (B) That is at least a straight-
line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
– (C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.
• ICAO – Cross-Country Definition (Annex 1)– A flight between a point
of departure and a point of arrival following a pre-planned route using standard navigation procedures.
– No distance requirement mentioned
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Comparison between FAA and ICAO
• FAA – ATP Aeronautical Experience (61.159)– 1500 Hours Total Time
• 500 Cross-Country Time• 100 Night Time• 75 Instrument Time
• ICAO – ATPL Experience (Annex 1, 2.6.3.1.1)– 1500 Hours Flight Time
• 200 Cross-Country Time• 100 Night Time• 75 Instrument Time
•Why is there a difference in the definition of Cross-Country Time?
•Why is there a difference in the actual hours required of Cross-Country Time?
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CFI Experience Survey
• Purpose of Study– Assess the actual experience a typical CFI acquires in relation to the
FAA ATP requirements.• Participants
– Hourly CFIs in a Part 141 environment (Convenient Sample)– N=200
• Data received:– Total flight time– Cross country (50 nm)– Night – Instrument– Length of employment at UND– Career Aspirations
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CFI Experience Survey
• Years of CFI employment at UND• 5+ 1• 3-5 11• 2-3 74• 1-2 85• <1 29
• Does not take into consideration:– Part-time vs. full-time employment– Flight instruction employment at other schools/FBOs
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CFI Experience Survey
• Aeronautical Experience Averages– Total flight time 864.9– Cross-Country 218 (25%)– Night 115.3 (13%)– Instrument 73.6 (9%)
• At this rate of accumulation, 2000 hours of TT would be needed to acquire the 500 hours of XC time.
• Percentage of XC time decreases the longer an individual acts as a CFI. (This is due to the amount of solo XC time required during initial flight training)
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CFI Experience Survey
2.5% currently meet ATP minimums
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CFI Experience SurveyATP Minimums
• Total flight time 10%• Night time 46.5%• Instrument time 34.5%
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CFI Experience SurveyATP Minimums
• Total flight time 10%• Night time 46.5%• Instrument time 34.5%
• Cross-country time 4.5%
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So how could this impact flight training?
• Will CFIs conduct more cross country flights with students that would normally be local flights?– Will this increase training costs for the students?– Will it require a paradigm shift in how we currently
conduct flight training? Change TCOs?
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H.R. 3371 Considerations
• Current ATP requirements– FAA definition vs. ICAO definition– XC requirement
• CFIs employed at a Part 141 vs. Part 142 institution– More flight time logged at Part 141 institutions
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Career Aspirations of Current CFIs
• When asked of their initial career aspirations 56% stated airline flying.
• Currently only 24% are still considering a career in airlines– Reasons include low pay at airlines, perceived state
of the airline industry and life-style of airline pilot• Current trend we are seeing from our CFIs– Military– Non-aviation related employment– Additional schooling (business courses)
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