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Date Distributed: June 14, 2013

SUBGROUP ON BOILERS

AGENDA

Meeting of July 16, 2013 Columbus, Ohio

The National Board of Boiler & Pressure Vessel Inspectors 1055 Crupper Avenue

Columbus, Ohio 43229-1183 Phone: (614)888-8320 FAX: (614)847-1828

1. Call to Order– 8:00 a.m.

2. Announcements

3. Adoption of the Agenda

4. Approval of Minutes of January 15, 2013

5. Review of the Roster (Attachment 1, page 5)

6. Action Items (Attachment 2)

NB08-2101 Part 1 SG on Boilers - CSD-1 does not address solid fuel firing and it would be appropriate for the NBIC to look into it. A task group of G. Halley (Chair), M. Richards, H. Tyndall, R. Snyder, G. Scribner and B. Moore has been assigned. (Attachment 2, pp. 6-13) July 2008 A task group was formed. January 2009 A progress report was given. July 2009 A progress report was given. January 2010 Mr. Halley gave a progress report. July 2010 Mr. Halley gave a progress report with a handout for people to view and comment on before the next meeting. January 2011 A progress report was given by G. Halley and a new handout (6 pages) was presented and discussed. July 2011 Geoffrey Halley presented a progress report. A Draft for Review and Comment was submitted to the task group. It was noted to not reference the copy of the Draft for Review and Comment contained in this Agenda as the draft for Review and Comment that was submitted to the task group should replace this copy. This item will continue as a supplement and will be approached on a prescriptive level as opposed to a performance level. The assigned task group was modified to remove D. Pranghoffer and adds H. Tyndall and R. Snyder. January 2012 Geoffrey Halley presented a progress report and a revised handout. The subgroup has agreed that it may be appropriate to propose a separate document addressing inspection and another addressing installation. Gary Scribner has been added to the task group and will assist in drafting a proposal to submit to the applicable groups for review. July 2012 Mr. Halley presented a progress report with an updated handout. There was a motion to approve the Definitions section of this document, while next working to complete a functional description, then requirements for installation and inspection. The motion was approved with 1 negative.

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January 2013 Mr. Halley presented the below noted Document (1. and 2.) Draft for Review. Each have been reworked and reworded into a more prescriptive language. Discussion also took place concerning the location of definitions – If they are so distinct are they necessary to be in the glossary. This TG continues to work on noted Document 1.with plans to distribute to the SG for comment via the NB website. Mark Mooney, a member of Part 2-Inspection was invited into the meeting to assist with ‘wording’ so as to minimize any unforeseen conflicts common to both Parts 1-Installation and Part 2 Inspection. Mr. Mooney will take this to their TG to review, comment, and work on and will report back to the SG-Boilers meeting to be held in July 2013. 1. Part 1, Section 6, Supplement 4 Installation of Biomass (Wood/Solid Fuel) Fired Boilers 2. Suggested Additions to NBIC, Part 2 – Inspection to cover Biomass Fired Boiler

Installations (Section 6, Supplement X) July 2013 Mr. Halley is expected to report. NB10-1201 Part 1, SG Boilers - Request for a format change to Part 1 Installation. A TG of G. Scribner (Chair), B. Moore, S. Konopacki and D. Patten were assigned. (No Attachment) July 2010 Mr. Scribner gave a progress report. January 2011 Mr. Richards presented a progress report. The goal is to consolidate all the general requirements for Boilers, Pressure Vessels, etc. July 2011 Mr. Richards reported with a handout created to compare power boilers and steam heating boilers. It was found that power boilers are lacking in the book so the task group is looking to expand wording on power boilers. July 2012 Mr. Scribner presented a progress report. A power point presentation is planned to go out to the group for comment from Section 2 and 3 and then look at moving to General. There was a motion to move this item to the SG Boilers agenda. The motion was unanimously approved. January 2013 Mr. Scribner presented a progress report. The TG continues to work on achieving consistency in Section 2 and 3 with all common wording and does it really need to be in both sections or in a general section. A partial draft should be completed to present at the July 2013 meeting with a final to be completed by the next edition. July 2013 Mr. Scribner is expected to report. NB11-0802 Part1, 1.4.5, SG on Boilers - Boiler Installation report review. A task group of D. Patten (Chair) G. Scribner, B. Moore M. Richards and P. Schuelke have been assigned. (Attachment 2, p. 14) January 2011 A progress report was given by G. Scribner with the direction of finding equivalent forms acceptable to Jurisdictions.

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July 2011 Don Patten presented a progress report. A correction was made to the task group as listed, removing G. Scribner as Chair and listing D. Patten as Chair. January 2012 Gary Scribner presented a progress report and that this item remains ongoing. July 2012 Mr. Scribner reported there was no progress at this time. January 2013 Mr. Scribner presented a progress report. Discussion was held concerning who will use and who does use the I-1 form. Consensus was that there is a significant amount of difference from one state to another with respect to content of the form as well as use. Mr. Scribner will be developing a list of questions for a survey to distribute to jurisdictions and manufacturers, etc. to determine the appropriate content for the form. Paul Schuelke requested to be added to the task group and Terry Parks expressed that he is available to assist especially with regards to the questions on the survey. July 2013 Mr. Patten is expected to report. NB12-1401- Part 1, SG on Boilers - Reference item NB09-0204. Address the installation of Potable Water Heaters. A task group of G. Scribner (Chair), P. Bourgeois, B. Moore, and H. Tyndall were assigned. (No attachment) July 2012 Mr. Scribner presented a progress report. Additional detail will be provided at the January 2013 meeting. January 2013 Mr. Scribner presented a progress report. Discussions have taken place concerning further definitions addressing specifically installation requirements only, not certifications for Boilers, Water Heaters, etc... It was noted that with regard to “Boiler Room” that cautionary statements are needed and that there is unique stuff to each to define language by next meeting to review. Mr. Gary Scribner is the (Chair) of the TG for this item. July 2013 Mr. Scribner is expected to report.

8. New Business

NB13-1101 Part 1, SG Boilers Addition of installation requirements for condensing hot water boilers. (Attachment 2, pp. 15-18)

9. Future Meetings

January 13-16, 2014, San Antonio, Texas July 14-18, 2014, Columbus, Ohio

10. Adjournment

Respectfully Submitted,

Jeanne Bock Secretary H:\ROBIN-Active Documents\NBIC Secretarial Documents\Committees\SC on Installation\SG on Boilers\Agendas\Agenda Boiler 0713.doc

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SG on BoilersMember Title ExpirDate Interest Category

Bock, Jeanne Secretary

Bourgeois, Paul 8/31/2015 Auth Inpection Agencies

Halley, Geoffrey 8/31/2015 Manufacturer

Konopacki, Stanley 2/28/2014 Users

Moore P.E., Brian W 8/31/2015 Auth Inpection AgenciesVice Chair

Patten, Donald 2/28/2014 Manufacturer

Schuelke, Paul 1/31/2015 Manufacturer

Scribner, Gary 2/14/2016 Jurisdictional AuthoritiesChair

Snyder, Raymond 2/14/2016 Auth Inpection Agencies

Tyndall, Harold 1/31/2015 Auth Inpection Agencies

Wadkinson, Melissa 8/31/2015 Manufacturer

Total Members: 10

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