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25 September, 2018 COUNTY ASSEMBLY DEBATES 1
REPUBLIC OF KENYA
NYANDARUA COUNTY ASSEMBLY
2ND ASSEMBLY-2ND SESSION
OFFICIAL REPORT
Tuesday 25th September, 2018
The Assembly met at the Assembly Chamber at 2.30 P.M.
[The Speaker (Hon. Ndegwa Wahome) in the Chair]
PRAYER
QUORUM CALL AT THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE SITTING
(The House is quorate as confirmed by the clerk at the table)
Speaker: Very well; actually, although I am not supposed to see, the House is full. We
can proceed with the business for the day.
First order.
(Hon. Wambugu King’ori and Hon. Justus Gaita take the seats designated for the Leader of
Majority and Majority Chief Whip respectively)
[Hon. Gathungu Kamau (Leader of Majority Party) and Hon. Hussein Kassana (Majority
Party Whip) remain standing]
Hon. Members, what is happening? You know what is expected of you when there is
assumption of office if at all. The Speaker has not communicated anything regarding leadership
change and, therefore, member for North Kinangop, Member for Kiriita, and County Member
for Rurii, please resume your seats. Alright, I would advise the member for Leshau Pondo who
is also the leader of the Majority and the majority whip to take any seat available. The seats
have not been electronically configured so please take any seat.
(Hon. Kenn Mukira enters the House and remains standing.)
Hon. Member for Karau, please take any seat.
(Hon. Kenn Mukir remains standing.)
Hon. Member for Karau, please let me take charge of the House.
Next order.
COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR
RESUMPTION FROM RECESS
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Hon. Members, I have two communications one of which is ready and the other one,
pursuant to Standing order 41, I will rearrange the business so that I read one now and the other
one upon conclusion of the other business. The first communication is in the following terms:
Hon. Members, I wish to take this opportunity to welcome you back to this House for
the Third Part of the Second Session of this Second Assembly. It is my hope that during the
long recess, you have been able to spend time with your families and the electorates and that
you have been rejuvenated with new vigor and energy to serve the people of this great County.
At this juncture allow me to thank each and every one of you for the efforts you put in ensuring
that this Assembly is discharging its Constitutional mandate.
Hon. Members, as a reminder, the County Assembly as established under article 176 of
the Constitution has been given three clear mandates namely, representation, legislation and
oversight. In this regard it my sincere hope that this House shall robustly execute these
mandates with diligence for the benefit of the people.
In regard to your representative role, I have utmost confidence that you shall use all the
tools at your disposal to represent your electorates.
This House shall also execute its legislative mandate by enacting key legislations that
will inform key policy decisions in the county and key amongst them are; the Nyandarua
County Finance Bill 2018, the Nyandarua County Bursary Fund Bill 2018, the Nyandarua
County Alcoholic Drinks Control Bill, 2018 and the Nyandarua County Inspectorate Service
Bill, 2018 amongst others which have already been forwarded to various committees. It is
expected that the concerned Committees shall expeditiously deal with the said bills so that this
County can benefit from them.
Finally, on the oversight role this House shall continue using its various Committees to
conscientiously ensure that the County Executive and other County Governments Agencies
utilize public resources for the benefit of Wanjiku. At this point, it is my hope that the
committees of this Assembly will keep the departments on their toes especially in relation to
the budget process.
This House shall also consider the Annual Development Plan (ADP) for the Financial
Year 2019/20 and County Budget Outlook Paper. I urge the members to succinctly scrutinize
the documents to ensure that the development agenda of the County Government is achieved
for the benefit of each and every resident of Nyandarua.
Hon. Members, I will to refer to the following words of wisdom by Napoleon, “A leader
is a dealer in hope.” Let us all aspire to inspire hope to the people of Nyandarua. It is my hope
that we shall use our positions to make a difference in this great County.
Thank You Honourable Members, God bless Nyandarua, God bless Kenya.
Next order.
PAPER(S)
NYANDARUA COUNTY ANNUAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN (ADP) FOR THE
FINANCIAL YEAR 2019/2020
Yes Member for Leshau Pondo and the Leader the Majority Party, Hon. Peter Gathungu
Kamau.
(Hon. Paul Ngeche rises on a point of order)
What is it Members for Kipipiri? Majority Leader, you can first resume your seat.
Hon. Paul Ngeche: Mr Speaker, is it in order for the House to continue in this kind of
a confusion whereby in the designated seat of the Leader of Majority Party, we have ‘elect’
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Majority Leader and one would be forgiven to think that we have two Leaders of Majority
Party in this House. Is it in order for this august House to continue in this confusion?
Speaker: That is quite in order Member for Kipipiri and that is why I said that I have
two communications to make. The first communication I made was in regard to the
rearrangement of the order of business today and I said that the other communication will be
made at the tail end. Actually, the communication was not ready and it has just been delivered
and so, we shall put everything in order when we get there.
So, proceed.
(Hon. Gathure Wambui rises on a point of order)
What is it Member for Kaimbaga?
Hon. Gathure Wambui: As you are aware Mr Speaker, I and the Member for Kipipiri
we are were elected independent of any party. However, what is happening in this House is
raising concerns for us even if we don’t belong to Jubilee Party.
We are aware that some resolutions were given to you. As much as there is a
communication you intend to make, we can only guess what is in it but we cannot tell with
certainty. If it is true that we have a Leader of Majority Party ‘elect’, then, we have the former
Leader of the Majority Party tabling the document, I think it is a confusion as the member for
Kipipiri has pointed out.
Speaker: Member for Kaimbaga, I don’t think there is a confusion. Whatever is
contained in the communication will take effect after the Speaker communicates any
resolutions or minutes.
(Hon. Paul Ngeche rises on a point of order)
What is it again Member for Kipipiri?
Hon. Paul Ngeche: Mr Speaker, I rise on Standing Order No. 19 (5) which states:
The whip of the largest party or coalition of parties in the Assembly shall
forthwith, upon a decision being made under this Standing Order, communicate
to the Speaker, in writing, the decision together with the minutes of the meeting
at which the decision was made.
I understand, in my own layman thinking, as per these Standing Order, the Whip of the
largest party having communicated to Speaker, the elected Leader of Majority Party assumes
the office. It does not require or necessitates a Communication from the Chair. What requires
to be in the Communication from the Chair is contained in Standing Order No. 21 (4) which
states:
The removal of a member from office under paragraph (5) shall not take effect
until a member is elected in the manner provided for under paragraph (1) and
the Speaker has communicated to the Assembly, the removal of the member and
election of another member to position.
This one is about Majority Party Chief Whip. For Leader of Majority Party, there is no
communication that should come from the Speaker…
Speaker: Member for Kipipiri, once I deliver my communication, those issues will be
sorted once and for all.
Just table the document, Leader of Majority Party.
(Hon. Wanjiru Ndirangu rises on a point of order)
Yes, Member from Kiriita.
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Hon. Wanjiru Ndirangu: Mr Speaker, I wanted to alert you that the microphones
were not working when Hon. Ngeche was raising his point of order but they are okay now.
Thank you.
Speaker: I think Hon. Members because I now have the other communication…
Hon. Gathure Wambui: In the order of business, communications from the chair fall
under order number two. We are past that Mr Speaker…
Speaker: Member for Kaimbaga, I had rearranged the orders under my discretion
contained in the Standing Order No. 41. I made it very clear that the other communication
was not ready…
Hon. Gathure Wambui: You see Mr Speaker, the members are becoming suspicious
because this is a matter that was communicated to you almost two weeks ago. You read one
communication but this one, which happens to be very important, you keep us waiting.
Speaker: That is why the Speaker is given discretion to be able to manage his office.
So, proceed Leader of Majority Party.
(Hon. (Eng.) Rimui Kaiyani rises on a point of order)
I think, let us have these documents tabled Hon. Members.
Yes proceed Member for Leshau Pondo.
Hon. Gathungu Kamau: Mr Speaker, with me, I have the Nyandarua County Annual
Development Plan for the Financial Year 2019/2020 – the transformation agenda for
Nyandarua…
(Several Members rise on points of order)
Speaker: Order Members! I think that the Majority Leader should just hold on so that
I can read the communication and give clear directions. Just resume your seat Leader of the
Majority Party.
I will just read my communication.
COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR
Hon. Members, by a letter dated 10th September, 2018 which was received in my office
on 12th September, 2018, the member for North Kinangop Hon. Edinald Wambugu Kingori
signing off as the leader of Majority of this Assembly reported to me that;-
“Hon. Hussein Ndungu Kassana had been removed as the Majority party Chief Whip
of this Assembly and that he had effectively been replaced by Hon. Lucy Wangari
Methu, the county member from Kipipiri”
The Hon. Edinald Wambugu Kingori further by the letter aforesaid reported to my
office that;
“Following the election of Hon. Lucy Wangari Methu as Majority party Chief Whip,
Hon. Geoffrey Ngaruiya Kariuki was elected as Deputy Majority Chief Whip.”
The Hon. Members, on the same date of 12th September, 2018 my office received
another letter dated 10th September, 2018 by the County member from Kipipiri Hon. Lucy
Wangari Methu where she signed off as the Deputy Majority Chief Whip. In the letter she
communicated that;-
1. Hon. Peter Kamau Gathungu; and
2. Hon. Kenn Mukira Mahianyu
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The sitting leader of the Majority Party and Kenn Mukira Mahianyu the Deputy Leader
of the Majority Party as having been removed from their said offices.
In the same breadth, the Deputy Chief whip reported to me in the same letter that the
two aforesaid had been replaced by;-
1. Hon. Edinald Wambugu Kingori as the leader of the Majority Party; and
2. Hon. Justus Gaita Wagura as the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.
Honourable Members, over and above the said letters alluded to, there was annexed
thereto lists of the Honourable Members who attended a meeting for the exercise
aforementioned, the voting patterns for the four offices aforesaid and minutes of the meeting
held at the Sarova Woodlands Hotel in Nakuru on 10th September, 2018 at 0800 hours.
Honourable Members, on 13th September, 2018 the office of the Clerk was served with
an order from the Political Parties Disputes Tribunal in complaint No. 9 of 2018 where the
parties were;-
1. Hon Edinald Wambugu King’ori – 1st Complainant/Applicant
2. Hon. Justus Gaita – 2nd Complainant/Applicant
3. Hon. Lucy Wangari Methu – 3rd Complainant/Applicant
4. Hon. Geoffrey Ngaruiya Kariuki – 4th Complainant/Applicant
-VERSUS-
1. Peter Gathungu Kamau – 1st Respondent
2. Ken Mukira Mahinayu - 2nd Respondent
3. Hon. Hussein Ndungu Kassana – 3rd Respondent
4. Hon. Simon Sambigi Mukuriah – 4th Respondent
-AND-
1. Jubilee Party – 1st Interested Party
2. Nyandarua County Assembly – 2nd Interested Party
In a nutshell the order was to the effect that;
1. That the application is hereby certified as urgent.
2. That an interim order is hereby issued to the respondents restraining and
restricting them from unconstitutionally, illegally and unlawfully ejecting
and/or removing the Applicants from the offices of the Leader of Majority,
Deputy Leader of Majority. Majority Chief Whip and Deputy Majority
Whip of the Jubilee Party within the Nyandarua County Assembly
respectively pending the inter-parties hearing of the said notice of motion.
3. That the motion is to be forthwith served upon the respondents and the
interested parties for interpartes hearing on 26th September, 2018.
Honourable Members on 20th September, 2018 I was served with an order vide petition
No. 10 of 2018 filed in the High Court at Nyahururu. The order was to the following effect;
1. That the application herein be and is hereby certified urgent and be heard ex
parte at first instance.
2. That pending hearing and determination of this application interpartes, this
Honourable Court be and is hereby pleased to issue conservatory injunctive
orders to the respondent whether acting in person, through their agents, persons
allied to them, their servants or anyone acting at their behest retraining them
from presenting to the 1st interested party minutes and resolutions of the
meeting held at Sarova Woodlands on the 10th September, 2018 which
purportedly ousted the applicant and his colleagues from their position as the
leader of majority, deputy leader of majority and the majority whip of the
County Assembly of Nyandarua.
3. That the application be served upon the Respondents forthwith.
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4. That hearing of the notice of motion interpartes be on the 27th day of September,
2018.
I am made to understand that the later order in Nyahururu High Court Petition No. 10
of 2018 has since been vacated on 24th September, 2018 but with the interpartes hearing
proceedings before the same court on 27th September, 2018.
For information of the Honourable Members, the matter before the Political Parties
Tribunal in Complaint No. 9 of 2018 will be heard interpartes on 26th September, 2018
(tomorrow).
Honourable Members, the leader of the Majority Party is defined as the person who is
the leader in the Assembly of the largest party or coalition of parties under Standing order 19.
On the other part, the Majority whip is defined as;-
“Means the member elected by the Majority Party as the Party whip”
Importantly at page 3 of our standing orders, it defines a party whip as;-
“Means a member designated by an Assembly party as its party whip for the purposes
of the transaction of the business in the Assembly and includes the majority whip and
minority whip.”
Further, Honourable Members, Standing order No. 21(6) defines the role of the chief
whip as follows:-
“The Majority party whip shall be responsible for mobilizing the party members in
the proceedings of the Assembly, its committees and party meetings.”
Honourable Members, pursuant to the traditions of Parliaments in the commonwealth,
our own Assembly and in particular our Standing order No. 21(5) which provides that;-
“The removal of a member from the position under paragraph 3 shall not take effect
until a member is elected in the manner provided for under paragraph (1) and the
Speaker has communicated to the Assembly, the removal of the member and election of
another member to the position.”
From the foregoing Honourable Members, it is apparent that on the date the Honourable
County Member from Kipipiri Hon. Lucy Wangari Methu convened the meeting of 10th
September, 2018 at Sarova Woodlands Hotel, Nakuru she was not the Majority Chief whip
pursuant to our Standing Orders and particularly page (2), 3 and standing order no. 21 and as
such the meeting was irregularly convened and therefore not held as envisaged in our standing
orders as highlighted.
In the same light, the Hon. Edinald Wambugu Kingori was not the Leader of the
Majority Party when he wrote the said letter of 10th September, 2018 when he communicated
to me the alleged ouster of Hon. Hussein Ndungu Kassana as the Majority Chief Whip of this
Assembly. It is pertinent that the said member can only obtain such status and responsibility
on the Speaker making and communicating the resolutions and minutes of such meetings if the
same is found valid and well-grounded in law and the standing orders.
In essence, Hon Members is that no communication about any resolutions and minutes
to remove the Leader of Majority Party and Deputy thereof nor the Majority Party Whip has
been received by the Office of the Speaker capable of being communicated into this House as
per our Standing Orders as the effective leader of the Majority Party as duly elected and
communicated into this House is the Hon. Peter Kamau Gathungu who has not made any such
communication to me as already done by the Member for North Kinangop Hon. Edinald
Wambugu Kingori.
On the other hand, I have also not received any communication on the removal from
Office or election thereof of the Leader of the Majority Party and the Deputy thereof namely
Hon. Peter Kamau Gathungu and Hon. Kenn Mukira Mahianyu by the Hon. Hussein Ndung’u
Kassana who has the sole discretion to do so pursuant to traditions and our Standing Orders.
Hon Members in Misc. Application No. 67 of 2015,
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-BETWEEN-
THE REPUBLIC - APPLICANT
AND
THE POLITICAL PARTIES TRIBUNAL - RESPONDENT
AND
GEORGE MWAURA NJENGA - 1ST INTERESTED PARTY
LEAH JEPKOECH SEREM - 2ND INTERESTED PARTY
EX PARTE
SUSAN KIHIKA - 1ST EX PARTE APPLICANT
SAMUEL WATHUKI NJANE - 2ND EX PARTE APPLICANT
PAUL KIBET CHEBOR - 3RD EX PARTE APPLICANT
Justice G.V. Odinga upheld the findings of the Political Parties Disputes Tribunal
Complaint No. 13 of 2014 to the effect that:-
“The meeting which ousted the leader and deputy leader of majority was held in a hotel.
Conducting official Business of the County Assembly in a Hotel is patently illegal and
the Standing orders cannot be invoked “page 6/19.”
Further at page 7/19 of the same judgement, the holding was that;-
“By conducting official business of the County Assembly in a Hotel, the subjects herein
acted illegally and all those proceedings were a nullity.”
The upshot of all these Honourable Members are that there are no valid or regular
resolutions before the Speaker to be communicated to this House on the purported ouster of
Hon. Peter Kamau Gathungu as the Leader of Majority Party, Hon Ken Mukira Mahianyu as
the Deputy leader of the Majority Party and Hon. Hussein Ndungu Kassana as the Majority
Whip.
That is all and also including the position of the Majority Party Leader. The person who
communicated or purported to communicate had no capacity to so communicate. That is my
communication.
(Hon. Kariuki Ngaruiya rises on a point of order)
What is it County Member from Rurii, Hon. Kariuki Ngaruiya?
Hon. Kariuki Ngaruiya: It is very interesting because our partisan Speaker has acted
like a judge. In fact, what you have read us are the arguments that you are supposed to take to
a court but the position is that, the court has already ruled on who the office bearers are and we
have to go by that. Nothing short of that! We are not going by your ruling because this matter
is beyond you, it was in the court in which a ruling was given on who the leaders are right now.
However, you are reading us your interpretation and you are not the judge…
Speaker: Your statement is made. There is no court ruling declaring who is the
Majority Leader as far as I am aware. I have a court order…
(Hon. Kariuki Ngaruiya rises on a point of order)
Order Member! Order! I really understand those things. I have looked at all the
explanations and rulings by the court but there is nothing declaring anybody a leader.
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(Hon. Gathure Wambui rises on a point of order)
What is it Member for Kaimbaga?
Hon. Gathure Wambui: There are some issues that I suspect are biased. Mr Speaker,
when you read us a judgement that was made in a case between Mr Samuel and Hon. Susan
Kihika declaring that matters of the Assembly cannot be conducted in a hotel, is it true? If so,
you are supposed to remember even those people occupying the positions assumed them after
having been elected at Sweet Lake Hotel.
Hon. Gathungu, who is now ‘the former’ Leader of the Majority Party as well Hon.
Kenn Mukirah were elected at that hotel and not here.
The other issue is that, there is nowhere that the Standing Orders requires the Speaker
to make a communication in upholding the election of leaders of this House.
Speaker: Let me answer you Member for Kaimbaga, because it is good to interrupt
you. That is actually a tradition of this House and I have talked about traditions and Standing
Orders. If you look at the Standing Order of the Kenyan Parliament, where we borrowed largely
from, definitely that was an error that was left. However, even if it was left out, it has been
applied in this House when there was a change of leadership from Hon. Mwangi Gichuki to
Hon. Kariuki Muchiri. The communication had to be done for the change in leadership to take
effect. That is a tradition that is all over the commonwealth.
There is no way, Member for Kaimbaga, just by simple interpretation of the Standing
Order, that it would require communication for the other offices except for the Leader of the
Majority Party. This is for Majority Leader to operate in this House effectively. That is the
spirit of the law.
Secondly, when the members of Jubilee Party went and sat at Sarova Woodland hotel,
it was on their own motion and not with the authority of this Assembly. When we sat at Sweet
Lake hotel, this Assembly resolved to sit there and all the infrastructure, including the staff
were there, the Speaker was there, the Clerk was there and members were paid per diems – it
was normal business of the Assembly.
(Hon. Wambugu King’ori rises on a point of order)
What is it Member for North Kinangop, Hon. Edinald Wambugu King’ori?
Hon. Wambugu King’ori: Thank you Mr Speaker. I like how you have communicated
on the floor of the House.
(Loud consultation)
Please protect Mr Speaker.
Speaker: Order Members! Order Members! Proceed Member for North Kinangop.
Hon. Wambugu King’ori: Mr Speaker, what you have communicated has just
complicated things. As a matter of sub judice, this is not a matter of this House since it is a
matter in court. I am worried because you have read you communication and the court orders
you have received selectively.
Mr Speaker, you forgot that yesterday there was a court ruling that was made and you
represented the House and you chose not to communicate what was done on 10th of September
2018 in line with the Standing Orders No. 19 and 21 by substantive office bearers.
Mr Speaker, I would wish that you allow me to read the orders that you have read. That
which was made on 19th September 2018 and the ruling has been made that the office bearers
who assume the seat after the election at Sarova Woodlands at Nakuru be the substantive office
bearers.
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Please allow me to read because you have that ruling with you and you have not read
it. It was made yesterday the day of 24th September 2018.
It reads;
The Republic of Kenya in the high Court of Kenya at Nyahururu. Petition No. 19 of
2018. The petitioner is Hon. Hussein Ndung’u Kassana versus respondents
1. Lucy Wangari Methu,
2. Hon. Njatha Kinyanjui,
3. Hon. Geoffrey Ngaruiya Kariuki
4. Hon. Edinald Wambugu King’ori
5. Hon. Justus Gaita.
The interested parties were the Speaker of the County Assembly, Jubilee Party, Hon.
Peter Gathungu Kamau and Hon. Kenn Mukira.
This is the order Mr Speaker. Upon reading the notice of motion of petition dated 24th
day of September 2018 and presented to this court on the 24th day of September 2018 by the
counsel for the respondents applicants and supported by the affidavit of Hon. Edinald
Wambugu King’ori herein sworn on the 24th September 2018 and upon hearing of the ex parte
application 24th day of September 2018 before Hon. Lady Justice R. P. V. Wendo, it is hereby
ordered;
That orders issued by this Hon. court to the petitioner on the 19th day of September
2018 be and are hereby vacated forthwith.
Therefore, Mr Speaker you have no option other than to communicate that the office
bearers that have been substantively elected by the Jubilee Party members of this Hon. House
at Sarova Woodland Hotel in Nakuru as the office holders. Otherwise, these are matters-
prejudicial and cannot be discussed in this House. You obviously know that. You are a lawyer
of the High Court and you have to follow the law to the letter.
Speaker: Member for North Kinangop I never read the law selectively. I said I
understand that yesterday the orders stopping me from being presented, not to announce or
anything, it is from being presented with the minutes and resolutions were vacated yesterday.
That is what I have said and it is in my ruling.
From the communication I have made here, there is no statutory obligation for me to
communicate any purported new leadership. The plain reading of this, Member for North
Kinangop, you have gone through this process, actually, when this was happening, the change
of leadership, it was you that was on this seat and you know what happened.
I have not made any communication; the court has not told me to make any
communication. The court is saying that it does not understand how the Majority Leader,
Deputy Majority Leader, the Whip and the Deputy can remove you from office. The orders
from the tribunal are saying that Mheshimiwa Gathungu, Mheshimiwa Kenn Mukira and
Mheshimiwa Kassana should not remove you from office. They have no capacity under the law
to remove you from office. They can only go.
What we are saying is that, I have given the communication and it is very clear and I
have attached the law, from the word go, the convening of the meeting, the resolutions,
communication from the Speaker here today there is nothing about new leadership that is being
communicated to this House.
Yes Member for Githabai, Hon. (Eng.) Rimui Kaiyani.
Hon. (Eng.) Rimui Kaiyani: Thank you Mr Speaker sir. This is a sad day for me
because you are one person that I hold with a lot of respect and especially when it comes to
conversing matters legal.
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I have been following these issues since they came up and I have been watching every
move that you make. I am saddened knowing that you are a member…
(Loud consultations)
Protect me Mr Speaker.
Speaker: This is a House of debate. You can disagree actively which I always
encourage. Let us not go to other things that will not get us anywhere.
Let us interrogate these issues vibrantly. When you decide to be adventurous, you even
read more so that when you come here you are even more adventurous. Let us be adventurous,
disagree vibrantly but not go to some levels.
Member for Githabai, proceed.
Hon. (Eng.) Rimui Kaiyani: Thank you Mr Speaker, it is understandable. The tension
is at fever pitch. As a House…
(Hon. Paul Ngeche rises on a point of information)
Speaker: Do you need that information?
Hon. (Eng.) Rimui Kaiyani: I do not need that information. Sorry for that Hon.
Ngeche. I was saying that we are thirty nine (39) members of this House and we have the right
to decide by a simple majority who are going to be our leaders and no one especially the
minority can force members to be led by a certain member. It does not matter how much we
try to hide behind the law.
Who is going to be our leader, and nobody and I dare say, no one especially the
minority can force any member to be led by a member who is in the minority. No matter how
much we try to hide behind the law, we cannot make it. The majority have spoken and their
choice of the majority must be respected.
Mr Speaker sir I am saddened because I have seen you take a partisan position. I have
always held you with a lot of respect and have always known you to be a good arbitrator but
unfortunately when you side with the minority today when the majority have spoken, then you
are throwing this Assembly under the bus. We have had endless trips of members who have
been coming to your office and those who have been removed have had endless trips to the law
courts. The Courts has given directions as far as they are concerned. The first order I remember
was that the members who were elected in that meeting ought to take the office. The first
member and I remember it was Hon. Kassana who went to seek legal redress on that and he
was granted an order that was again quashed yesterday. The first order was that the newly
elected members take office notwithstanding the prayers being sought by Hon. Kassana were
that you should not be served with the minutes which you have already received. Therefore,
for you to look for another way, it is really sad. For me, what you need to do is be our Speaker
and do what you’re supposed to and communicate the desires of the majority.
This is a party affair and if anybody feels aggrieved by the ruling you’re going to make,
then they are going to seek legal redress. From where you sit, do the one honourable thing that
we, in the Jubilee Party which represents the majority, electethe Hon. Ednald King’ori as our
Majority Leader, Hon. Justsus Gaita as our Deputy Majority Leader, the Hon. Wangari Methu
as Chief Whip and Hon.Kariuki Ngaruiya as the Deputy Chief Whip.
We did that consciously knowing very well that the requirement was that we be the
majority. Please Mr Speaker, be the arbiter and do not sway either way. We can still get them
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back because they are still with us and they are still our members. For you to seem to seem to
force then unto us, it is bringing discontent in this house and it is not going to be helpful to
anyone of us.
Speaker: Okay, I think member for Githabai I would have wanted you to mention
where in my communication that it is not strictly in line with the law. You know we are
governed by the law and, as the Speaker, anything that comes here, I have to first look at it and
identify whether it is constrained with the Constitution. You can read the mandates of the
Speaker and you will realise that anything that comes here is in total compliance with the
Constitution, the statutes, the Standing Orders and the traditions and precedents of this house.
This is what I have followed strictly.
In this case, and I agree and you will always quote me that of the majority having their
way and the minority having their say. We have to agree there are other underlying factors even
before we come to the vote, laying grounds for the removal. If you look at the case of the
Majority Leader for Nakuru, because he was removed by the majority over forty six (46) out
of the sixty (60). They went to Court and it set the grounds. It was found to have no grounds to
remove him and they had the votes. They had to first establish grounds and then follow the due
process. The court said the due process was not followed and those who were in the first
Assembly know it, and Hon. King’ori can attest to this. Finally the vote did not Count. People
were not satisfied and Njenga Maura was leader of the Majority in Nakuru until we went for
elections where he went running for the MP sit where he lost. I appreciate the majority vote
but then there are grounds and due process to be followed.
Yes member for Gatimu Hon. Kieru Wambui
Hon. Kieru Wambui: Thank you Mr Speaker. I wish the passion with which we are
handling this matter is the passion with which we handle budget. I will want to say something,
because I want this thing behind us so that we can table the ADP, go tell Wanjiku what the
ADP has for them or what it does not have so that it is put and then the budget process starts.
This notwithstanding, I will want to read a document that I came across a few minutes
ago. It’s an order that has been given by a political party tribunal, and the complainants we
know. They are Hon. Wambugu King’ori, Hon. Gaita, Hon. Methu, Hon. Geoffrey Ngaruiya
who are all Honourable members, and they complained against Hon. Gathungu, Hon. Mukira,
Hon. Hussein and Hon. Sambigi as respondents. They have put Jubilee Party as an interested
party and Nyandarua County Assembly as the second interested party. They sought orders and
they were requesting the courts to give them orders which were that:‘This application be
certified as urgent, of the Jubilee Party within Nyandarua County Assembly respectively,
pending the hearing and determination of the complainant mentioned herein’
The other prayer was,‘That this honourable tribunal be pleased to grant injunction,
which the respondents from interfering with the applicants properly holding the offices pending
the hearing and determination of the complaint file herein.’
Then fourth they say, I don’t know whether we have come this far, that the OCS
Ol’Kalou Police Station, be directed to ensure that there is strict compliance with this order.
So, I don’t know whether we expect the OCS to sit there to make sure that the order is complied
with.
Five, that the cost applied for be provided. Then, this is what the chairman gave. He
certified the matter as urgent and gave interim orders restraining Hon. Kenn, Hon. Gathungu,
Hon. Kassana and Hon. Sambigi from unlawfully removing these people from office.
Back to three, that the motion is forthwith served upon the respondents and the
interested parties for inter parties hearing on 26th September 2018.
So this matter is supposed to come up on 26th September 2018. Let us now understand.
That is what the tribunal order says. There is nowhere that the court order says that the office
holders here are the ones who are rightfully elected.
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The court order faults in entirety because, how do you assume office? Something caught
my attention when you were reading your ruling Mr Speaker. I have never seen it, ‘the law is
an ass.’ I would want the Hon. Members to understand Standing order 19.
I have tried to internalize it after you read the ruling and am not supporting anyone but
I want us to follow the law. Standing Order No.19 (3) states:
A member elected under paragraph (2) may be removed by a majority of votes
of all members of the largest party or coalition of parties in the Assembly. (4)
The removal of a member from office under paragraph (3) shall not take effect
until a member is elected in the manner provided for under paragraph (1) in
his or her place.
I also read the interpretation of a whip in page three of the Standing Orders that states:
(5) The whip of the largest party or coalition of parties in the Assembly shall
forthwith, upon a decision being made under this Standing Order,
communicate to the Speaker.
I want to be told who the chief whip of Nyandarua County Assembly is as per the
communication of the Speaker in Hansard today.
As far as my memory serves me, sometime back, Hon. Zachary convened a meeting
here in September last year. As members of Jubilee Party, we caucused and elected Hon.
Kassana and Hon. Wangari Methu as the Chief Whip and Deputy Chief Whip respectively.
Then the minutes of that meeting were forwarded to your office by Hon. Zachary and
you communicated who the office bearers were I do not remember any…
Speaker: Conclude member for Gatimu please.
Hon. Kieru Wambui: Mr Speaker this is so important and I want us to understand so
that we know where we are coming from. I want this matter to be handled in the right way
possible.
The Chief Whip, Hon. Kassana, when he was communicated on the floor of the House,
he assumed office after being communicated here. So you cannot communicate to the Speaker
if you have not been communicated here. The same way you cannot assume office before being
communicated on the floor of the House.
(Hon. Wambugu King’ori rises on a point of order)
Speaker: We are not in a debate. We said we are interrogating this matter. So just
conclude member for Gatimu.
Hon. Wambugu King’ori: Mr Speaker I am rising on a point of order because he is
confusing the House, though he is on a point of order.
Speaker: Yes member for North Kinangop.
Hon. Wambugu King’ori: Mr Speaker, there are two different scenarios here that we
need to separate completely because, the matter of electing the leadership in the political party
is not the same as the businesses of the Assembly.
So, it is very explicit where you are entitled to sit and elect leaders, them forward them
for the Speaker to communicate.
Speaker: Order member for North Kinangop. I think you are even introducing more
confusion.
(Loud consultation)
Order! You have no capacity to declare somebody out of order. I have allowed you all
the time. Order members.
(Loud consultation)
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Order members. The Assembly is a quasi-judicial organ. I am supposed to give
directions pursuant to the law, the statutes and the Standing Orders. So, what we are saying is
that whatever I have ruled on that issue, and I have ruled according to the constitution, the
Standing Orders, the statutes, the precedents and traditions of this House.
Proceed member for Gatimu.
(Loud consultation)
(Hon. Wambugu King’ori rises on a point of order)
Order member for North Kinangop! I gave you all the time until you finished. I have
overruled that point of order because there is nothing you have said is contravening the law.
Let the member for Gatimu make his summations. Even the judgement I have read came from
a political process.
Proceed.
(Loud consultation)
I recognize parties in the House. The Speaker is impartial. He recognizes the
independents, the small parties and the big parties. He is a Speaker of everyone.
So proceed member for Gatimu.
Hon. Kieru Wambui: Mr. Speaker, let me just conclude so that they can interact with
the other members.
(Loud consultations)
Let me use Hon. Mbogo as he is my neighbour in my ward. We are neighbours by ward.
Mr Speaker, I want to read the part concerning the Majority Whip and not the majority leader.
The removal of a member from the position, under paragraph 3, concerning the chief whip…
(Loud consultation)
Mr Speaker, protect me.
Speaker: Order!
Conclude, member for Gatimu.
Hon. Kieru Wambui: I want to call this matter to conclusion now…
Speaker: In any event members, I have already delivered my position.
(Loud consultation)
Order Members! Proceed, member for Gatimu.
Hon. Kieru Wambui: Thank you, Mr Speaker. My learned friend, Mheshimiwa
Wambugu, just come and sit together with me.
Speaker: Order!
Hon Kieru Wambui: Mr Speaker, protect me.
Speaker: Order members!
Hon Kieru Wambui: I want this to be heard and I want it to sink. In page 18 of the
Standing Orders it says:
The removal of a member from the position under paragraph (3), that is the party
majority whip, shall not take effect until a member is elected in the manner
provided for under paragraph 1.
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The Speaker has communicated to the Assembly, the process for the removal of a
member and the election of another member. The party majority whip shall be responsible.
(Hon. Reuben Gitau rises on a point of order)
(Loud consultation)
Speaker: Order members!
Hon. Gitau Reuben: The majority leader is not seated, Mr Speaker.
Speaker: I think member for Shamata, unless for other reasons, you know how I have
delivered my ruling.
Proceed member for Gatimu.
Hon. Kieru Wambui: Let me just finish so that you can speak. Hata hujaongea,
utaongea.
Sorry, Mr Speaker, for mixing languages. I want to say this, Mr Speaker, Hon Gathungu
and Hon Kassana were communicated as leaders, and it is in the Hansard on the floor of the
House. They are the only legitimate people who can communicate and I want to give this
people a secret, because this is the way they should have gone. They should have first made
Wangari Methu the Chief Whip, then bring the matter here to the House so that she assumes
the role of a chief whip, so that after the matter has been communicated, a meeting is convened
to communicate to you to remove Hon. Gathungu. However, Mr Speaker, because they did not
do that, it has failed and in this matter, Mr Speaker…
(Loud consultation)
Speaker: Order members!
Hon Kieru Wambui: Mr Speaker, I will want to say this, Hon. Kaiyani is my friend and
he speaks very frequently and eloquently but today, Mr Speaker, because he knows the truth,
he was not able to speak eloquently and for those reasons Mr Speaker, they know what the
truth is. Thank you, Mr Speaker and I rest my case.
Speaker: County member from Kiriita.
(Loud consultation)
Hon. Wanjiru Ndirangu: Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Speaker: Order members!
(Loud consultation)
The County member from Kiriita…
(Loud consultation)
Order Members!
Actually, I think I made my ruling and unfortunately you have no option.
(Loud consultation)
Order members!
Order member for Mirangine!
Member for Shamata, order!
(Loud consultation)
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Members, I have concluded on that first section of this matter. I want the Leader of
Majority to table that document.
(Loud consultation)
The Majority Leader is the member for Leshau Pondo, Hon Peter Gathungu Kamau.
(Loud consultation)
Hon. Kariuki Ngaruiya: If you want the document tabled, then, there is Wambugu
King’ori, the majority leader.
Speaker: Order members!
Honourable Members, pursuant to Standing order No. 112, it is not possible to proceed
with the business of this House and as the Speaker, I am called upon to adjourn the House to
the next sitting which is tomorrow, the 26th day of September 2018 at 9.00 A.M.
(The House rose at 3.35 P.M.)