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POA seminarium 26 November 2014 2015-10-30 1 TId Ämne 09:30-10:00 Samling i receptionen.Inregistrering. Kaffemacka i lunchrummet Plan 3. (TS kontorsmiljö) 10:00 Start Praktiska saker Presentation/organisation /avgifter POA/ TS-nytt Uppdatering av regelverk: P 21G SMS. NDT Board , NDT certifikat POE, vad säger kraven ? Anybodys POE (externweb) Ny blankett/procedur för ansökan om signifikant ändring.( externweb) Vad ska stå i Form 1, Block 1 ? Vad menas med ”oberoende”. Kraven gällande kontroll av underleverantörer, subcontractors. Beskrivning i POE. Användning av Other Parties (OP) . Ändring av beskrivet system för kontroll av u-lev. Säkerhetskultur. Tid med AM under VK. Utvärdering av POA-organisationer efter VK. Analysssystemet inom Luftfartsavdelningen. Riskklassning Vad ska rapporteras som Occurrence inom POA ( Se EU-förordning) Klassning av internauditavvikelser Beskrivet system för detta i handbok. 15:45-16:15 Open floor. 16:15-16:30 Slut

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POA seminarium 26 November 2014

2015-10-30

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TId Ämne

09:30-10:00 Samling i receptionen.Inregistrering. Kaffemacka i lunchrummet Plan 3. (TS kontorsmiljö)

10:00 Start

Praktiska saker

Presentation/organisation /avgifter POA/ TS-nytt

Uppdatering av regelverk: P 21G

SMS. NDT Board , NDT certifikat

POE, vad säger kraven ? Anybodys POE (externweb)

Ny blankett/procedur för ansökan om signifikant ändring.( externweb)

Vad ska stå i Form 1, Block 1 ? Vad menas med ”oberoende”.

Kraven gällande kontroll av underleverantörer, subcontractors. Beskrivning i POE. Användning av Other Parties (OP) . Ändring av beskrivet system för kontroll av u-lev.

Säkerhetskultur. Tid med AM under VK.

Utvärdering av POA-organisationer efter VK. Analysssystemet inom Luftfartsavdelningen. Riskklassning

Vad ska rapporteras som Occurrence inom POA

( Se EU-förordning)

Klassning av internauditavvikelser Beskrivet system för detta i handbok.

15:45-16:15 Open floor.

16:15-16:30 Slut

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Kraven gällande kontroll av underleverantörer, subcontractors. Beskrivning i POE. Användning av Other Parties (OP) . Ändring av beskrivet system för kontroll av u-lev.

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Regelverket pekar på POA:ns stora ansvar för underleverantörskontrollen, så att levererade delar är i ”Conformity to design data”. Däremot är det upp till POA:n att själva att avgöra omfattningen vad som är tillräckligt….rimlig nivå …

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En vägledning till omfattningen kan man läsa i GM No 2 till Kvalitetsystemet ( 21.A.139): “ GM No. 2 to 21.A.139(a) Quality System – Conformity of supplied parts or appliances The POA holder is responsible for determining and applying acceptance standards for physical condition, configuration status and conformity of supplied products, parts or appliances, whether to be used in production or delivered to customers as spare parts.

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This responsibility also includes BFE (Buyer Furnished Equipment) items. To discharge this responsibility the quality system needs an organisational structure and procedures to adequately control suppliers. Elements of the quality system for the control of suppliers may be performed by other parties provided that the conditions of AMC No. 1 or No. 2 to 21.A.139(b)(1)(ii) are met.

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Control can be based upon use of the following techniques (as appropriate to the system or product orientation necessary to ensure conformity):

qualification and auditing of supplier’s quality system,

evaluation of supplier capability in performing all manufacturing activities, inspections and tests necessary to establish conformity of parts or appliances to type design,

first article inspection, including destruction if necessary, to verify that the article conforms to the applicable data for new production line or new supplier,

incoming inspections and tests of supplied parts or appliances that can be satisfactorily inspected on receipt,

identification of incoming documentation and data relevant to the showing of conformity to be included in the certification documents,

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a vendor rating system which gives confidence in the performance and reliability of this supplier,

any additional work, tests or inspection which may be needed for parts or appliances which are to be delivered as spare parts and which are not subjected to the checks normally provided by subsequent production or inspection stages.

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The POA holder may rely on inspection/tests performed by supplier if it can establish that:

personnel responsible in charge of these tasks satisfy the competency standards of the POA quality system,

quality measurements are clearly identified,

the records or reports showing evidence of conformity are available for review and audit.

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The control of suppliers holding a POA for the parts or appliances to be supplied can be reduced, to a level at which a satisfactory interface between the two quality systems can be demonstrated. Thus, for the purpose of showing conformity, a POA holder can rely upon documentation for parts or appliances released under a suppliers 21.A.163 privileges. A supplier who does not hold a POA is considered as a sub-contractor under the direct control of the POA quality system. The POA holder retains direct responsibility for inspections/tests carried out either at its own facilities or at supplier’s facilities.

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Då DOA:n bär ansvaret för konstruktionen, kunde man kanske ställa frågan vad de anser? Hur många led som behöver kontrolleras ? Se bild:

HM………Vilken dokumentation behövs från den här pyramiden minimum, för att POA ska kunna

visa ” Conformity to design data”??

Med Part 21 Form 1:an börjar ju ”det nya livet”, och krav på spårbarhet från tillverkningen finns ju, bra att POA kan visa tillräckligt, om något skulle gå

åt pipan….

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Vanliga frågeställningar vid lev.audit.

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POA U-lev Resultat/ Konsekvens

Faktorer Vem ansvarar Frågor att fundera över för POA

Vad POA behöver göra

Ekonomisk

Inköpschef Kan leverera till bra pris tycker POA inköp

Ekonomiska aspekterna auditeras av inköp. •Hur många delar rör det sig om? Vad kostar denna nya u-lev i auditering? Kanske billigare att behålla ”den gamla” i alla fall ?

Kvalitetsystem PM funderar över ” Conformity to design data…”

Hur moget är deras kvalitetssystem ? Vilka egna certifikat har de på plats? ISO, EN 9100 e.t.c.

POA auditör granskar u-lev , lokaler, personalkompetens,tillverkning, ev. testning/provning som måste utföras på plats av u-lev., innan sammanbyggnad , tillv. dokumentation…

Vilken typ av detaljer beställer vi ? Critical ? Enkla?... Specialprocesser, NDT ?

POA auktoriserad auditör i samarbete med specialist om det behövs, för att visa att U-lev lever upp till POA krav.

U-lev produktionspersonal. Utb. ? Kompetens?

Om egna standarder, NDT, andra specialprcesser ingår, måste dessa säkerställas. Vem kan göra det ?

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Riskbedömning / auditering av

underleverantör

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Enkla delar

Komplexa/ Kritiska delar/ processer

Utvecklat eget kvalitetssystem + behörigheter

Saknar kvalitetssystem

DESKTOP OK ?

DESKTOP + ONSITE

ONSITE Täta intervaller + annat

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Det är upp till POA:n själva att klassa leverantörer på ett klokt sätt. Allting går ju idag mer och mer mot riskbedömning och SMS-system. Kanske har ni historik på era underleverantörer som pekar på att vissa sköter sig, andra sämre ? Ett styrmedel kan ju även vara att använda denna AMC ( OP , Other Parties: externa kontrakterade auditörer):

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AMC No. 2 to 21.A.139(b)(1)(ii) Vendor and sub-contractor assessment, audit and control - Production Organisation Approval (POA) holder using other party supplier certification

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Att tänka på!! 21.A.147 Changes to the approved production organisation (a) After the issue of a production organisation approval, each change to the

approved production organisation that is significant to the showing of conformity or to the airworthiness and characteristics of noise, fuel venting and exhaust emissions of the product, part or appliance, particularly changes to the quality system, shall be approved by the competent authority.

GM 21.A.147(a) Changes to the approved production organisation – Significant changes 1 Changes to be approved by the competent authority include: ¤ Changes in the production or quality systems that may have an important impact on the conformity/airworthiness of each product, part or appliance. ¤ Changes in the placement or control of significant sub-contracted work or supplied parts.

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TId Ämne

09:30-10:00 Samling i receptionen.Inregistrering. Kaffemacka i lunchrummet Plan 3. (TS kontorsmiljö)

10:00 Start

Praktiska saker

Presentation/organisation /avgifter POA/ TS-nytt

Uppdatering av regelverk: P 21G

SMS. NDT Board , NDT certifikat

POE, vad säger kraven ? Anybodys POE (externweb)

Ny blankett/procedur för ansökan om signifikant ändring.( externweb)

Vad ska stå i Form 1, Block 1 ? Vad menas med ”oberoende”.

Kraven gällande kontroll av underleverantörer, subcontractors. Beskrivning i POE. Användning av Other Parties (OP) . Ändring av beskrivet system för kontroll av u-lev.

Säkerhetskultur. Tid med AM under VK.

Utvärdering av POA-organisationer efter VK. Analysssystemet inom Luftfartsavdelningen. Riskklassning

Vad ska rapporteras som Occurrence inom POA

( Se EU-förordning)

Klassning av internauditavvikelser Beskrivet system för detta i handbok.

15:45-16:15 Open floor.

16:15-16:30 Slut

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Frågor ?