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2. PlACEGuanlanamo Bay, Cuba

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On Saturday, 15FebOJ. the interview of KHADR took place in a room with a couch. KHADR salon the couchwith his head down. He declined the food that was offered to him. KHADR said he was willing to lalk and a thirdinterrogator entered the room. The inlerrogator told KHADR that they were disappointed in "yesterday". TheCanadian also told KHADR thaI on Thursday, KHADR had indicated he wanled to help Canada.The Canadians asked KHADR about his brother, Abdul Rahman Khadr. KHADR knew that his brother had beencaptured. They then discussed his father, saying, "we knaN who he is. . .your father is a lostcause". TheCanadians lold KHADR that his falher is committed to what he is doing. KHADR responded with, he didn't doanything". Quesl ionin then centered on KHADR's aides! brother, Abdul lah. and his ossible whereabouts. The

The sound got worse when the interviewers adjusted the air conditioner. There was a large amount of static andfor a while, even the interviewers could not be understood. The sound improved some and KHADR removed hisshirt to show the interviewers the wounds on his back and stomach. KHADR stated, "I lostmy e y e s ~ , indicating thatwhen he was shot. it affected his vision. KHADR put his head back in his hands and cried heavily. The interrogatorslefl him al this point . The interview was short , ( less than an hour).

On 14FebOJ. KHADR again was placed in the sarno type of room with a large table and folding chair. Th einterrogators could be heard dUring some of the interview. KHADR was difflCUtito hear. He mumbled and had hishead down. KHADR started the interview with a noticeable change in demeanor from the previous day. He woutdnot look at his inlerviewers. He ~ provided with food.

The interrogators questioned KHADR concerning his change in demeanor. KHADR said he was ~ s c a r e d t o saysomething. He then asked his interrogators. promise you'l l protect me from Americans". KHADR also stated hehad been tortured by the Americans in Baghram. KHADR said everything he had provided the previous day was alie. He stated aU the information provided in his previous interviews was said only due 10 the "torture". Hisinterrogators questioned him concerning who he may have spoken to the previous night in his ce/.1. KHADR deniedthat he talked to anyone and denied that anyone coached him or told him what to say. He covered his eyes andbegan to cry heavily.

On 13Feb03, KHADR was interrogated in an interrogation room with a large lable. He was sitting in a foldingchair. The audio was very bad and neither the interrogalors nor KHADR could be heard. He was provided food andhe ate a burger and a soda. The interview tasted approximately two hours. No verbal discourse could beunderstood.

Subject Interview of: (UNK) KHADR, OMAR AHMEDDate/Place: 24 : ~ CubaInterviewers: S ~ t . Belvoir CITF . GITMQ

OMAR AHMED KHADR. ISN: vas interviewed by personnel from the Canadian Delegationat Camp Delta, Guantanamo Bay. Cuba, ~ n 16 Feb03. The interview was conducted In English andvideofaped. On 24Feb03, Special A g e n l ~ N a v a i Criminallnvestigalive Servtee (NelS), reviewed aUfour videotapes. Fol lowing Is a synopsis 01 the tapes.

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KHAOR asked the Canadians fO{ any lei ters from his grandmother. They did not have any.At the end of the interview, KHADR ate some food which was provided to him by the interviewers. This interviewlasted approximatety 2 hours.

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KHAOR was shown some photographs (unknown of whom). none of which he was able to identify.KHADR had heard his sister and brother had an internet address, but he does nol know what i l is.

that KHAOR's mother's passport had expired and they would help her renew it if she would go to an embassy.They asked about the whereabouts of KHAOR's sister, Zayneb and discussed zayneb's daughter, Sofia, and hermedical condition. KHAOR denied knowing where any of his family ispresently located. KHAOR continued to keephis head down and talk quiet ly. The delegat ion told KHAOR that ~ y o u r siluation is different and we both know why".

KHAOR was in Logar. Afghanistan when he was captured. Hewas staying with ~ b a d p e o p l e ~ . They were -badbecause !hey were "kill ing Americans. KHADR denied training with mines to kill Americans. Hewas going to allackthe Northern Alliance. KHAOR's father dropped him off at this house because it was safe for h im to travel with hisfather. His father lold him he would be back for him. Al f irst KHAOR said all the people at lhe house were Afghanis.He then stated there were two Arabs in the group. It was the Arabs who told KHAOR and Ihe AfghanIs 10 f ight to thedeath. The Arabs shot at the Americans, then the Americans shot back. KHADR did not want to fight, ~ had nochoice-.

KHAOR conlinued to deny previous statements he had made about his fa lher. He said the family was inAfghanistan only because it is a good Muslim country.Kl{A()"R last sawhis m o i t u ~ r - i n Bermel, ana-rea ofAfghanistan. The h o ~ e the family o"';ned in P e ~ ' h a w a r ,

Pakistan Is now empty.

KHADR discussed school and indicated he finished the 8th grade. He likes school and horse back riding. Hespent most of Ihe latter years traveling between Jalalabad, KabUl, and Peshawar.The Canadians told KHADR that a few months ago, his sister. Zayneb, called the Canadian embassy inIslamabad trying to get passports. She made inquiries but did not leave cart back numbers.

The interviewers took a break. KHAOR was allowed to use the restroom and pray. The interview then continued.At this point. KHADR did accept and drink a can of soda. KHADR denied talking to many of the detainees aroundhim. He did say he talks 10 a Saudi, but not too frequenUy. He again denied being told what to say by otherdetainees.

KHAOR discussed an incident when he was with his father and family members and they were stopped by thePakistani polka. KHADR was difficult to understand, but he indicated that his father was not arrested, and wasreleased after a scuffle. The family never had problems traveling between Afghanistan and Pakistan. They wouldstay at the -8 Hayem- (phonetic) Holel in Islamabad, when they were In Pakistan .. KHADR has never been toMazar-e-Sharif. He only stayed in Kabul, Jalalabad, and Kandahar. His father's organization, -HEP"' (HeatthEducation Program) has never been associated with Mazar-e-Sharif. 11 does run an orphanage in Jalalabad.

KHADR's uncle (NFl) never traveled from Toronto, Canada, to Afghanistan or Pakistan. His grandparents didlravel once to meet his mother in Pakistan and they visited with the family. KHAOR confirmed that his mother has asister in Bahrain. KHAOR also confirmed that his father had a brother. ~ K h a m e l ~ who used to l ive somewhere in theUnited Stales. KHADR believes thai Khamel is deceased.

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On Sunday, 16Feb03. a fourth interview was conducted. KHADR was provided with McOonalds. which he ate.KHADR staled hewould be seeing a doctor on Monday for h.is gunshot wounds which were bothering him.

KHADR was questioned about "Sheik Issa-. KHADR staled thai Sheik Issa was not the Imam of Ihe mosque inKabul. Sheik Issa was not anowed 10 issue a fatwa.

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2. PlACEGuantanamo Bay, Cuba

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SUbject Interview l?f: (UNK) KHADR, OMAR AHMEDDate/PIace: 17 Feb 03/Guantanamo BW, CubaInterviewers:S_1 . Belvoir - CITF GITMOOMAR A H ~ a interviewed at Camp Delta,GUana.CUba. bySpecial Agent ~ ~ t i g a l i o n (FBI), and Special Agenl NavalCriminallnvesi}galive Service (NCIS). The interview was conducted in English.The Canadian Delegation interviewed KHADR four times over the lasl four days. He was interviewed onThursday for about 4 hours, on Friday for one hour, on Saturday for two to three hours, and on Sunday ror two tothree hours. He was picked on by someArabs who are in close proximity to cell afler returning from the interviews.When askedmore detailed questions pertaining to how he was ~ p i c k e d o n ~ , KHADR was not specific. He deniedbeing afraid of any of Ihe detainees around him, saying they can't get to hi m (physically). Th e Arabs that arearound him are from another cullure.KHADR has not received any letters from family since being detained. Th e interviewers then provided KHADRwith a leller, which had recently arrived at Camp Della. The letter was from his grandmother in Canada. KHADR

wa s left alone 10 review the letter. KHADR was watched using a video monitor and a one-way piece of glass.KHADR appeared to cry while readinglhe lel ler. Tears were coming from his eyes and h e w as rubbing his eyes andnose.

KHAOR last saw his grandparents in June or July 2001. He was In Canada with his mother from about February2001 10 June or July 2001. His mother was collecting money for donations to Afghan orphanages. His mothervisited approximately seven mosques for an organization called HEP (Health and Education Project). His mother didno t transport the money back 10 Pakistan. but put it in a local bank, which wa s probably located in Carrboro, Ontario.Canada. KHADR believes his motherhad access to the funds once she arrived in Pakistan. .

After leaving Canada in Jun/Jul. 2001, KHADR and his mother traveled to Pakislan. His father was n ot w i lh themin Canada. Both his father and one of his brothers had stayed in Pakistan.KHADR's father is no l a medical doctor and does not have a doctorate in any fleldloccupation. His dad was anengineer. and KHADR believes his specially was electrical engineering. His father was not working recently due tohis disability. His falher received money from the Canadian Govemment because of his injury.KHAOR has some uncles in Canada. They do nol work for HEP. His grandparents do not work for HEP and they

never collected money at the mosques.The money that KHADR's mother hetped to collect helped support about 500 Afghan orphans. KHAOR ha s beento several orphanages in Afghanistan, in places such as JalaJabad, Logar, Khost, Baghlan, and Laghman (KHADR

w as n ol certain of the spelling). HEP also helps 10 support a school in Kabul.KHAOR's mother was born in Egypt but was raised in Canada. KHADR's father was also born in Egypt but he

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KHADRdeclined some candy, which was brought 10 lhe interview for him. KHADR complained about a soieshoulder. He dabbed at a small spot on his shoulder that was seeping blood. (The shoulder injury is from agunshot wound that KHADR received while in Afghanistan). The guards were advised about the problem and theycalled medical to come and see KHADR.

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When talking 10 the Canadians during his first interview, KHADR told them the same story he has been telling theAmerican interrogators. During his.second interview on Friday. KHAOR lold the Canadians that everything was a lieand he said only what the Americans told him to say_ The Canadians called KHADR's father a ~ a person-.During his third and fourth inlerview with the Canadians. KHADR continued to telt the Canadians that he had l ied tothe Americans. KHADR does 001 want to get punished for something he did not do.

Kdidn' move to Canada until hewas about 25 years of age. KHADR's father moved to Canada because"he-immigrated". When asked for the reason for his father's immigration to Canada, KHADR did not know. His parentswere married in Canada. KHADR's father likes Canada. KHADR's father has been to lhe United States to collectdonations for HEP. KHADR did nol know where his father has been in the U.S.

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~ t t e r ieaving Canada in June or July ot 2001, XHADR andbis ~ o t b e r t raveled to Par-is tan. Ris father was not with t b e ~ inCanada. Both h is fath er and one o f his brothers had s t ~ y c d inPakistan.

KHADR has not r e c e i v ~ d any l e t t ~ r s from f a ~ i l y ~ i n ~ ebeing d ~ t a i n e d . The interviewers then provided KHADR with al e t t e r . which had recently arriVed at camp Delta. The l e t t e r wast ~ his grandmother in Canada. XHADR was l e t t alone to reviewth e l e t t e r . KRADR was watched using a video monitor and a oneway piece of glass . XHADR appeared to cry whi le r eading th el e t t e r . Tears were coming f r o ~ his eyes and he was rubbing ~ i eyes and nose.KHADR l a s t s a his grandparents in Jurte or' July 2001.He was in Canada with h is ~ t h e r f r about Feoruary 2001 to June

or July 2001. Ris mother was Collecting money tor donations toAfghan orphanages. H i mother visi te roximatel se vmos es to r an or a n ~ z a t n H His mot e r did nott ranspor t t e money ack to Pakistan, but put it in a loca l bank,which was probably located in Carrboro. . Ontario, Canad.!!. J(JIADRb eli ev es h is mother had access to th e funds once sh e arrived inPakistan.

KHADR's fa ther is no t a medical doctor and does nothave a d o c t o r ~ t e in any field/occupation. His dad was anengineer, a n XHADR believes his special ty was elect r ica lengineering. His fa ther was no t ~ o r k i n g r e ~ e n c l y due to hisdisabi l i ty , Hi s f a t h e ~ received money from the CanadianC o v e r n ~ e n t because at h ~ ~ n ) u t y .KHAOR hal> some uncles 'in Canada.REP. His grandparents do not work to r HFPcollected money-at Ehe-mosQues .

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The money that KHADR's mother helped to c ol le ct helped~ U p p o r t about 500 Afghan orphans. IKADi has been to severalorphanages in ~ g h a n i a t a n , in places such a s J al al ab ad , Logar,l h o ~ t , Baghlan , and L a g h ~ (KKADR vas not certain of thespel l ing). REP also helps to SUpport a school in Kabul.KHADR's mother vas b or n in ~ but was raised inCanada. KHADR's lather ...as also born 1.0 Egypt bu t he didn ' t II\Oveto Canada unt i l he ~ a about 25 years of age. KHADR's fathermoved to Canada because he "imRUgrated,. When aSked for th ereason to r his fa ther ' s i ~ g r a t i o n to Canada, KHADR did no tknow. ~ i parents were ~ r r i e d in Canada. KHADR's father l ikesCanada. KHAn' ather has been to th e United States to collectdonat 'oos f o r U ~ ~ . KHAOR no t ow w ere n ~ a t er as beenrn che u.S.

W h talking to th e Canadians during his f ~ r s cinterview, XHADR told t he . th e GarDe story he has been te l l ing th eAJ1Ieriean inter=ogators. During his second interview on F'riclay,XHAOR told the Ce..nadians tha t everything was a l i e and he SOi.idonly what the Americans told him to say. The canadians calledl'OiADR' 5 tat-ber a "bad person." Ou%ing his th iq i and fourt-hinterviews w ith th e Can ad ia ns; KHADR rnntln""'d to t e l l thl'Canadians that h e . h ~ d 11=d to t h ~ r 1 c a n ~ . KHADR does not v ~ n tt-o ge e punished. for Gomet-hing h did Dot do .

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BACKGROUND:On Tuesday. 30 March, 2004, Jim Gould of this division was able to visitGuontanomo Bay Naval Station, s p o n s o r ~ by the US Department of Defense(000), Criminal Investigation rosk Force (CITF). During the visit he was able to. spend two hours, one-on-one, with Umar Khadr. The interview waS held in the000 interrogation facility at Camp Delta and was monitored over CCTV by (1) theDoD interrogator _ (ii) his a n a l y s t _ a nd (iii) fhe CTIfofficer_who provided Mr Gould with logistic support throughout his visit.2. Before meeting Umar, Mr Gould spoke by phone with aforensic psychologist, who had had several sessions with Umor (albeit not very "recently) and with bo t h " a nd " abou t ' t h e i r experiences with Umar, whathe (Umar) knew abouf his family and what might be expected in"the interview.3. ~ r o v i d e d what proved to be a very accurate description of Umar'sstate of mind. The latter was originally warm and accommodating, but he hasbeen influenced by the 'hard men' among the detainees who have focused on hisdesire to please people. Um"ar waS a "Mama's little boy and has probably foundpseudo-parents among the other detainees. He has demonstrated very littleindependent thinking, has become s'elf-centred and narcissistic and needs to bevalidated by the approval of others. Umar is not well-schooled, but he is brightand could be a good s t uden t . _an t i c i pa t ed that in order to get him tocooperote, Mr Gould would have to negotiate with him. In his last session withUmar, the latter wanted to make-a phone call (to whom was never stated) and __ recC?mmended that Mr Gould go with whatever was p o s _ ~ s : : : i b : : l . : e ; . . . ' -- ,

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hadn't cooperated since July 3, 2003. They have been unable to find any particularsignificance to th e date and i t was not clear to Mr Gould, who was permitted to. read QCrTF -running file" i f, t he d a te of n o n ~ c o o p e r a t i o n was as c le ar c ut as he was told t ha t itwas. Recently Umar had been demanding to se e (a t least) his brother Abd ai-Rahman,. .whom he believed was still in Camp Delta, bu t now in Phase IV, th e communal living portionof ~ h Camp for those who were being cooperative.5. Umar h as re ca n te d all earlier stafements, including his confession to having thrownthe grenade t h a t killed the American soldier. He is now being lionized by th e otherdetainees because of what he did and because of his and his family's connections to th eol-Qaida hiera-rchy. ... .6. In an effort to make him more amenable and wiIIing to talk,_ has placed Umaron the -frequent flyer program: fo r t he th re e weeks before Mr ~ visit, Umar hasnot been permitted more than three hours in anyone location. At three hours intervalshe is moved to another cell block, thus denying him uninterrupted'sleep and a continuedchange of neighbours. He will soon be placed in isolation for up to three weeks and thenhe will be interviewed a g a i n . ~ a t e d that they (the Army) has Q -big file" on Umarand were not really looking fo r much now.

Aside:.was not impressive and did not appear to be some one who wou!d beable to gain Umar's confidence. He was a large, fit, late 20 s - type, and seemed tobe trying to intimidate Umar or force Umar. to talk rather than trying to cajolehim into cooperation. Despite his ornate plans to re-gain Umar's coopera t ion ,_did not appear to have a 'thought-through' plan fo r future interviews. Privately,even his analYs.t expressed some frustration a t _nexpe r i ence and Jack of agoal.

THE INTERVIEW:7. Mr Gould's interview with. Umar was about two hours long and was very circular innature. He r ef us ed t o answer questions, stating that he would answer ' e v e r y t h i ~ " whenhe returned to Canada (a new demand, probably because Mr Gould identified himself as aGovernment official - showing his diplomatic passport when requested - and furtherprompted by .the recent return ,of some UK nationals to Britain) or if Abd al-Rahmap w ~ brought in to be with him.8. He refused the treats that had been brought (chocolate ba rs, e tc), although hehad accepted them last year, saying that they were only a temporary / temporal thing

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and he wanted something more substantial before he would. cooperate..Other of hisresponses seemed equally unnatural coming from an IB-year old ("I have to fallow myheart because i f I do not. i t will stop w.orking-) and Mr Gould drew the obvious conclusionthat Umar had been coached on how to deal with a interviewer who might be trying "'totrick- him.9. On several occasions Mr Gould had the distinct impression that Umar really wantedto ta lk - as did the observers in the next room. But at t h ~ e times he would revert toaverting his gaze, rapidly reading the posters that decorate the walls arid avoiding lookingat Mr Gould at all. These rapid head and eye movements are described by the CITF andDoD interrogators as "'head jive"' and were said to be intended to" blow off"' theinterview. They are said to be a 'classic' counter-interrogation toctic when you don't wantto talk.

Aside: On one occasion Mr Gould asked Umor if , as he had said last year, hebelieved that his oldest brother, Abd Allah, probably wanted to give up the jihadThe monitors in the n room all noted that Umar 'nodded yes' and thenimmediately launched into the "head jive" as if he realized that he had given up anonswer.

10. After two. hours, Mr Gould broke off the interview - Umar was not going to answeranything and it became intensety frustrating for Mr Gould. For m,uch of the interview,however, Umar was smiling broo91y - he was enjoying the exchange. In contrast to lastyear, he would be able to brag how he had refused to give anything up, how he had playedwith the interviewer, how smart he; was to impose demands on those supposedly inauthority. etc. whereas last year he probably was reprimanded for giving away too much.especially the first day, this time he would hold his head up and receive the applause ofhis colleagues. On several occa'sions he was asked why he was' refusing to answer, why hehad changed, and - when caught out - why did he lie and his response was "It's fun!". I tmay indeed be the o'nly "fun" that he gets and the only way he can have a posit ive impacton his own situation.HEALTH AND WELL-BEING;11. Compared to last year, Umar has physically matured, probably gained two + inchesand has lost his 'baby far. He is now a good-looking seventeen-year old who, while notterribly ou t of shape - probably could use some vigorous exercise on a regular basis,

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Aside: After Mr Gould terminated the interview he and two of the monitorscontinued to watch Umar via the CeTV system. After half an hour and despite therestraints imposed by the shackles, Umar stood up as bes t he could and began tostrike 'body-building' poses in the mirror on the wall (the latter is a one-waymirror. but the interior curtain had never been pulled back, so he may haveassumed he was not being watched). Vanity among the young is not restricted tothe Christian world!

Certainly Urnar did not appear to have been affected by three weeks on the "frequentflyer" program. He did not yawn or indicate in any way that he was tired throughout thetwo hour interview. It seems likely that the natural resilience of a well-fed and healthyseventeen-year old are keeping him going.12, Umar's eyes seemed fine. He could and would hold Mr Gould's gaze until he, Umarchase to look away. Both seemed to be in focus and he was not favouring one side or theother.13. The above-mentioned "rolling report" that CITF allowed Mr Gould to read didindicate that Umar was hospitalized for some time in mid 2003. No reason was given andno duration was given. Mr Gould asked about the possibility of obtaining a copy of Umar'smedical r e ~ o r d and it waS recommended that a formal request be made "throughchannels", I t is the psychologists who control all access to this documentation, bu t it wasassumed that Canada could be given a copy for government use.A FINAL COMMENT OR TWO:14. Umar is unaware of the fate of his family and, when asked about the role of his. .father in teaching him about Islam and jihad, responded only with: "ask my father". Asnoted above, he believes his older brother Abd ol-Rahman to still be in Camp Delta. I f itis believed that U ~ a r still has information that might be valuable, his trust in those whoappear.to be advising. him might be shaken by learning the truth of whot has hoppened to his family. Abd ai-Rahman has returned to C ~ n a d a by coop.erating. His father is dead andhis youngest brother wounded because they did not. But then Canada assisted inreturning his mother and Abd ai-Karim to Canada. Video footage, or even a visit from AbdaI-Rahman might be enough to start him cooperating again - but he may.really nC?t havemuch left to offer .15. Umar does really not understand the gravity of his situation. He recognized thathe would be on trial and also said that he believed that Canada could have him brought

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home "if we wanted", He does not appear to have given much, if any, thoughHo what hemight say to a lawyer, but he did allow -.after some hesitation - that perhaps he wouldspeak to a lawyer jf onewere to show up.16. Finally, as an amateur obserVer of the human condition, Mr Gould would describeUmar as a thoroughly "screwed UpN young man. ~ I those persons who have been"in

. p o ~ i t i o n s of authority over him have abused him and his trust, for the ir own purposes. Inthis group can be included his parents and grand-parents. his associates in AfghanistQ,nand fellow detainees in Camp Delta and the US military, I think that_wasprobably correct when he said that Umar has probably established pseudo-parents in theCamp and they probably aren't doing him any good. Before he is returned to Canada (ifthis were to be a possibility) some thought should be given to 'managing this process' andthe social service agencies should play' a major role. . .17. He does, however, have some feelings. During his last session with the DoDinterrogat,or, he was shown a picture of his family - he denied knowing anyone in thepicture. Left alone with the picture and despite his shackles, he urinated on the picture.The MPs cleaned him, the p i c t u r ~ and floor and again left him alone with the pictureafter shortening his shackles so that he couldn't urinate on the p i c t u ~ e again. But, withthe flexibility of youth, he was able to lower his trousers and again urinated on thepicture. Again the Mps cleaned up and left him alone with the picture on a table in frontof him. After two and half hours alone and probably assuming that he was no longer beingwatched,.Umar laid his head down on the table beside the picture in what waS seen as anaffectionate manner.

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SECRET DFAIT ONLY- 2-.dnguages: Arabic. English, Farsi (Dan), and Pushtu. The only request he made of theinterviewers was for 'books' and it was later learned that a U.S. Navy Ensign hadconsiderable success in establishing a rapport with the young man by reading Harry Potterbooks with him. If, in the future circumstances permit, it would be useful to have Khadrenrolled in a distance learning program, both to permit him to better himself and also togive him intellectual stimulation that is not controlled by the extremists who are detainedwith him and who presently control his environment.5. Mentally Mr Khadr seems to realize that he is in a very difficult situation, but he maynot have accepted the true gravity of his situation. Over the course of the four days ofinterviewing, Khadr demonstrated great mood swings. On the first day he was relaxed andtrying to demonstrate how cooperative he was. He answered questions and was friendly;obviously t ry ing to show that he was really trying to help the investigators. On the secondday, in distinct contrast, he was despondent. alleging that everything he had said was a lieand only said because he feared a resumption of the torture he had undergone while inAmerican custody in Afghanistan. To a non-professional inte.rviewer, Mr Khadr'sallegations and protestations - including tears and the removal of his shirt to show thescars he said were inflicted in the course of the torture - did not ring true. Rather i t lookedas if he had been coached overnight to cast doubt on the things he had said the daybefore. It required several hours of work for the interviewer to get him back into a morepositive frame of mind and the fourth and final day was more productive than the second orthird, but even then not as good as the first session. .6. The handling of the detainees in the camp is very professional, non-emotional and"by. the numbers, even though most of the young MPs are aware that Khadr is said to havekilled an American soldier. Each time he was brought into the interview room or removed.the actions of the three MPs involved were exactly the same. It was quite clearty a protocolthat was worked out to maximize control and minimize any allegations of abuse.7. Camp Delta currently has three phases or sub-units; all identical in their makeup.A fourth ~ p h a s e " is presently under construction and it will feature group housing. Up totwelve persons will l ive together and it will only be for those that have demonstrated thatthey pose no threat and have been cooperative when required. As well. it was allegedamong the managers of the Camp Delta program that US$450 million has recently beenallocated to build a maximum security prison in Guantanamo.6. The final disposition of the detainees, including Khadr, is very unclear. However. amilitary lawyer. met by chance, confided that he was working on the "tribuna''', It will operateunder U.S. military law and the goal is to be as open and transparent as possible.Lawyers, military and/or civi lian, will be assigned to each detainee. It can be assumed thatit will be at this point tha t we can anticipate receiving consular access to Khadr.

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