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Page 1: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,

LLCs In The Real World

Larry L Gray, CPA

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Legal entity

LLC is a term of state law, not of federal law

Combine Individual, Partnership and Corporate rules

Organized separate and apart from owners

What is a LLC? 2

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Offers limited liability similar to Corporate veil

Not a tax entity

Options for tax treatment

Flexible vehicle for business Contractual Statutory Management style

What is a LLC, Cont. 3

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LLC

Articles of Organization

Operating Agreement

Other state-required forms

Birth 4

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Not a Tax Entity

Titling of Assets

Operations Separate entity

Birth, Cont. 5

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Sole Proprietor Disregarded

Partnership Default

S Corp Form 2553

C Corp Form 8832

Entity Classification 6

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Partnership

Assets transfer to partnership

No recognition of gain Unless liabilities > basis of property transferred

Corporations (S and C)

No recognized gain or loss if stockholder has control upon transfer Unless: liabilities > basis of assets transferred

Only allowed to receive stock as consideration

Forming Entity 7

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Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect

S Corp, LLC No allocation of income/deductions allowed Income/deductions prorate per share

C Corp, LLC Preferred stock for dividend preferences Losses deductible at corporate level

Taxation 8

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Taxation, Cont.

Basis Adjustments Loss Limitations Passive Investment

Income

Passive Activity

Built-in Gains Tax At-Risk

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Partnership Guarantee payment - SE tax

S Corporation Reasonable compensation Payroll taxes on salaries

C Corporation Reasonable compensation Payroll taxes on salaries

Compensation and Payroll Tax 10

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Partnership, LLC Distribution not taxable Basis in asset distribution equal to partnership basis

S Corp, LLC Distribution at FMV Any gain at Corp level

Basis of distribution: FMV

C Corp, LLC Distribution = Dividend = Double taxation Basis of distribution: FMV

Distribution - General Rule 11

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Partnership Dissolution Choice of partners, or 50% or > change in owners in 12 months Proportionately distributed assets = no tax to partners Disproportionate distribution = deemed sale = recognized gain

S Corporation Single taxation Built-in gain if dissolution within 10 years of S election

C Corporation Double taxation

Liquidation or Dissolution 12

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Sole Proprietor, LLC?

Easy start-up

Full control

Lower cost

Less required record keeping

Why Should I Be 13

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Partnership, LLC?

Flexibility

Distributions

Pass through taxation

Minimal formalities

754 Election

Why Should I Be 14

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S Corp, LLC?

Reasonable compensation

Gain treated as profit, not wages

No SE on profits

2553 election

Why Should I Be 15

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C Corp, LLC?

No limit to number of owners

Premier entity for going public

Attractive for investors

Retention of profits

8832 election

Why Should I Be 16

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Who is your taxpayer? Future sale? Estate and gift planning? Asset protection?

Entity Choice Consideration 17

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Separate liability Deflects business operations Changes in future Sale Retirement

Multiple LLCs in a Business 18

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Partnership to Partnership, LLC No tax effect to transfer assets Unless liabilities assumed are > basis of transferred assets

Partnership to S Corp, LLC No tax effect to transfer assets Unless liabilities assumed are > basis of transferred assets

Partnership to C Corp, LLC No tax effect to transfer assets Unless liabilities assumed are > basis of transferred assets

Changing to Another Type of Entity 19

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S Corp to: S Corp, LLC or C Corp, LLC election No gain/loss recognized

S Corp to: Partnership, LLC or Sole Proprietor, LLC conversion Gain or loss recognized

Changing to Another Type of Entity, Cont. 20

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C Corp to: Partnership, LLC or Sole Proprietor, LLC Gain/loss recognized

S Corp, LLC election No gain/loss recognized Unless LIFO used

Changing to Another Type of Entity, Cont. 21

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Summary 22