llcs in the real world - internal revenue service in the real world... · 2014-10-06 ·...
TRANSCRIPT
![Page 1: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/1.jpg)
LLCs In The Real World
Larry L Gray, CPA
![Page 2: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/2.jpg)
Legal entity
LLC is a term of state law, not of federal law
Combine Individual, Partnership and Corporate rules
Organized separate and apart from owners
What is a LLC? 2
![Page 3: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/3.jpg)
Offers limited liability similar to Corporate veil
Not a tax entity
Options for tax treatment
Flexible vehicle for business Contractual Statutory Management style
What is a LLC, Cont. 3
![Page 4: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/4.jpg)
LLC
Articles of Organization
Operating Agreement
Other state-required forms
Birth 4
![Page 5: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/5.jpg)
Not a Tax Entity
Titling of Assets
Operations Separate entity
Birth, Cont. 5
![Page 6: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/6.jpg)
Sole Proprietor Disregarded
Partnership Default
S Corp Form 2553
C Corp Form 8832
Entity Classification 6
![Page 7: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/7.jpg)
Partnership
Assets transfer to partnership
No recognition of gain Unless liabilities > basis of property transferred
Corporations (S and C)
No recognized gain or loss if stockholder has control upon transfer Unless: liabilities > basis of assets transferred
Only allowed to receive stock as consideration
Forming Entity 7
![Page 8: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/8.jpg)
Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect
S Corp, LLC No allocation of income/deductions allowed Income/deductions prorate per share
C Corp, LLC Preferred stock for dividend preferences Losses deductible at corporate level
Taxation 8
![Page 9: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/9.jpg)
Taxation, Cont.
Basis Adjustments Loss Limitations Passive Investment
Income
Passive Activity
Built-in Gains Tax At-Risk
9
![Page 10: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/10.jpg)
Partnership Guarantee payment - SE tax
S Corporation Reasonable compensation Payroll taxes on salaries
C Corporation Reasonable compensation Payroll taxes on salaries
Compensation and Payroll Tax 10
![Page 11: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/11.jpg)
Partnership, LLC Distribution not taxable Basis in asset distribution equal to partnership basis
S Corp, LLC Distribution at FMV Any gain at Corp level
Basis of distribution: FMV
C Corp, LLC Distribution = Dividend = Double taxation Basis of distribution: FMV
Distribution - General Rule 11
![Page 12: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/12.jpg)
Partnership Dissolution Choice of partners, or 50% or > change in owners in 12 months Proportionately distributed assets = no tax to partners Disproportionate distribution = deemed sale = recognized gain
S Corporation Single taxation Built-in gain if dissolution within 10 years of S election
C Corporation Double taxation
Liquidation or Dissolution 12
![Page 13: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/13.jpg)
Sole Proprietor, LLC?
Easy start-up
Full control
Lower cost
Less required record keeping
Why Should I Be 13
![Page 14: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/14.jpg)
Partnership, LLC?
Flexibility
Distributions
Pass through taxation
Minimal formalities
754 Election
Why Should I Be 14
![Page 15: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/15.jpg)
S Corp, LLC?
Reasonable compensation
Gain treated as profit, not wages
No SE on profits
2553 election
Why Should I Be 15
![Page 16: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/16.jpg)
C Corp, LLC?
No limit to number of owners
Premier entity for going public
Attractive for investors
Retention of profits
8832 election
Why Should I Be 16
![Page 17: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/17.jpg)
Who is your taxpayer? Future sale? Estate and gift planning? Asset protection?
Entity Choice Consideration 17
![Page 18: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/18.jpg)
Separate liability Deflects business operations Changes in future Sale Retirement
Multiple LLCs in a Business 18
![Page 19: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/19.jpg)
Partnership to Partnership, LLC No tax effect to transfer assets Unless liabilities assumed are > basis of transferred assets
Partnership to S Corp, LLC No tax effect to transfer assets Unless liabilities assumed are > basis of transferred assets
Partnership to C Corp, LLC No tax effect to transfer assets Unless liabilities assumed are > basis of transferred assets
Changing to Another Type of Entity 19
![Page 20: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/20.jpg)
S Corp to: S Corp, LLC or C Corp, LLC election No gain/loss recognized
S Corp to: Partnership, LLC or Sole Proprietor, LLC conversion Gain or loss recognized
Changing to Another Type of Entity, Cont. 20
![Page 21: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/21.jpg)
C Corp to: Partnership, LLC or Sole Proprietor, LLC Gain/loss recognized
S Corp, LLC election No gain/loss recognized Unless LIFO used
Changing to Another Type of Entity, Cont. 21
![Page 22: LLCs In The Real World - Internal Revenue Service in the Real World... · 2014-10-06 · Partnership, LLC Allocate income/deductions by agreement Substantial economic effect S Corp,](https://reader033.vdocuments.site/reader033/viewer/2022043007/5f932b59f9a912238d39737e/html5/thumbnails/22.jpg)
Summary 22