kimberlin v. walker, et al transcript (day 2)

8/11/2019 Kimberlin v. Walker, et al Transcript (Day 2)

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MR. KIMBERLIN: Because its a crime. Pedophilia is a

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and see Brett Kimberlin and all of the sudden Im a pedophile.

And its a crime. Pedophilia is, like, one of the most heinous

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MR. KIMBERLIN: Thats in Shapiro v. Massengill, too.

And thats what it basically means off of it.

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what to tell you. Youre asking me to prove a negative. I mean

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theres no evidence of that 33 thereby discouraging others in

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MR. KIMBERLIN: I understand, but youre asking me if

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THE COURT: You dont have to apologize, you were

doing the best you could, you dont have to apologize.

MR. KIMBERLIN: But theres a lot of case lac AN=

there where people are called a pedophile and theyve called

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THE COURT: No one said you werent. What evidence is

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kimberlin v. walker, et al transcript (day 2)

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