Allied soldiers gave us cigarettes

I smoked it

The little punk of my Cousin Rudi ran home and told my father

I wish my father would have been enlightened like modern Fathers

who severely punish their children with

“Time Out” – “GO TO YOUR ROOM”

I WOUD HAVE SMOKED EVERY DAY !

Abraham and Sarah: Liars and immoral

relationships.

Have obedient son Isaac

(Lies to king Abimelech and Pharaoh about his wife. Relations with Hagar)

Hannah presents Samuel to Eli the Priest as Hophni and Phinehas look on

Hophni Phinehas

Sons Hophni and Phineas officiating priests at Shiloh engaged in illicit behaviour, appropriated the best portion of sacrifices for themselves, having sexual relations with the sanctuary's serving women. They are described as "sons of Belial" (1 Samuel 2:12, "wicked men" in the NIV).

Hophni and Phineas

demand meat

http://static.newworldencyclopedia.org/a/a4/Jonathan_warns_david.jpg

Son Amnon, rapist of sister Tamar, Son Absalom kills Amnon, Makes himself king, Attacks his father David

David forgives

Absalom rebels

EdsonWilliam

Problem Children (mothers boy

and rebel) and real stress on

marriage

Edson

Edson William Edson

Children frequently left with friends for long periods

Ellen: “ Edson why can you not be good like Willie”“He will always be a burden to us”His dress was flamboyant, and his behavior unpredictable. He was also

extravagant with money and showed little interest in spiritual things" ("Legacy of Light," 1998)

“Alternately elated or depressed, happy-go-lucky, living for the moment, and a spendthrift who lacked self-discipline and self-control."(Moon,1993,p.43).

“Edson continued to either flaunt or evade his parent's value system. He loved to dress in expensive clothing, wore a gold watch on a heavy chain, visited a local shooting gallery (which his mother had specifically forbidden), and indulged a passion for reading storybooks. Contrary to his parent's wishes, he borrowed and used firearms (the deed became known when Edson acquired an injury Ellen feared might cost him the use of his hand). (Moon, 1993, p. 50)

James: “Edson has a bad influence on Ellen”She can go to California with her relatives. I will not go. I wait for a radical change“If mother would not always blame me when Edson abuses me, and would take a firm stand for the right with me. I think I would consent live in the same State where Edson may reside. But until I see a radical change in both Edson and mother” I will go to Texas…Your mother has pursued this course till she has broken me down-soured me. and Edson has here found ground for his course” Gerald Wheeler: James White, 223-228

Son Luke Ford:Former Pornography gossip columnist & convert to Judaism

Desmond and Luke

Desmond Ford, Luke, Paul in April 1990

http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2001/01/40829http://www.lukeford.net/archives/updates/011116.htm

Mother: “Evenings, she either went out with friends, …We seldom had an evening at home together.” “Sometimes we would sit around in the living room together watching TV. Mom and I would smoke pot, but Falcon couldn’t because of his cystic fibrosis, so she made him cookies, putting in a generous amount of marijuana and hashish” The Richest Caveman, The Doug Batchelor Story, 7Father: “He may be one of the oldest swingers…” http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/1999/06/16/52792/batchelor-remains-firmly-married-to-aviation-industry.html

“When I went to visit, I was glad he had a maid and a butler. Often they were all I had by way of companionship. Dad came to breakfast with me each morning, but he generally held a newspaper between us. “ The Richest Caveman, The Doug Batchelor Story, 9

Lord Shaftesbury•Son of the sixth earl of Shaftesbury, • Raised without parental care or affection. •All he knew of love and kindness came from a maid Maria Millis. It was to her he traced the his faith and Life Choices.•He felt God had called him "to devote whatever advantages He had…in the cause of the weak, the helpless, both man and beast, and those who had none to help them.“ •In Parliament he fought for the alleviation the injustices caused by the Industrial Revolution:

—prohibited employment of women and children in coal mines, —provided care for the insane, —established a ten-hour day for factory workers, —outlawed employing young boys as chimney sweeps.

Anthony Ashley Cooper,7th Earl of Shaftesbury

Frequently: Fathers Bad or Dead Inattentive mothers Good Mentors

His father (Dr. William A. Rockefeller) was a

charlatan who sold cancer remedies and a

bigamist who was

absent for long periods of time

Young John D. sat by the road waiting month after month for his father to come home

From early on he had to work although their father never had less than $1000 in his pocketDropped out of high school

John D. Rockefeller

Frequently: Fathers Bad or Dead Inattentive mothers Good Mentors

“Pizza King”Tom

Monaghan• Tom Monaghan’s father

died when he was four

• Mother left him in St. Joseph’s Home for Boys, later in foster homes

• He called St. Joseph’s a prison and his classmates inmates,

• yet felt close to one of the nuns

The computer “Nerds” who changed the world Did not following conventional careersRebelled against their parents Made Independent Life Choices

Bill Gates’ father flew from Seattle to Boston to warn his son that he would never be a success if he dropped out of college. Bill disobeyed and made his own choice http://www.time.com/time/gates/rebel.html

.

Bill Gates

Michael Dell

• Rebel against parents

• Made Independent Life Choice

• Defied his parents’ insistence that he give up the computer business and stick to pre-med, he took a leave from the University of Texas after the freshman year and never returned.

Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it. Proverbs 22:6 ESV

“…bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.” Ephesians 6:4 ESV

The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child left to himself brings shame to his mother. Proverbs 29:15 ESV

Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him. Proverbs 13:24 ESV

•My son, be wise...” Proverbs 27:11.

•“Honour thy father and thy mother: that…” Exodus 20:12. •“Honour thy father and thy mother, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee; that…” Deuteronomy 5:16. •“My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments; …bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart...” Proverbs 3:1-4. •“Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother;” Ephesians 6:1-3.

“A fool despiseth his father’s instruction: but he that regardeth reproof is prudent.” Proverbs 15:5

“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 ESV

“I punish children for their parents' sins to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me. Exodus 20:5, GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)

“He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations.“Exodus 34:7 New American Standard Bible (©1995)

1. Even though Ellen White believed that Satan was after her son and that

2.heredity made him who he was, she did put some

of the blame upon James and herself. "She mentioned Edson's

troubled infancy and acknowledged some

3. parenting mistakes, but she also insisted on

4. Edson's personal responsibility in persistently choosing to live for the present moment rather than to

deny self for a future benefit." (Moon,1993,p.44) .

Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it. Proverbs 22:6 ESV

“…bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.” Ephesians 6:4 ESV

The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child left to himself brings shame to his mother. Proverbs 29:15 ESV

Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him. Proverbs 13:24 ESV

. Ellen also wrote a letter concerning her parental techniques.

She said, " . . . that we had failed in our duty; we had

not restrained them. We had indulged them too much, suffered them to follow their own inclinations and desires, and suffered them to indulged in

folly I saw that we should instruct them with sobriety and yet with kindness and patience; taken an even course.“ (J.A. Moon, W.C. White and Ellen G. White, 1993,p.46-47).

Goertzel’s research is often supportive of “pushy” parents.

Often the best “pushing” is by example

Amy Chua“Why Chinese Mothers Are Superior

Can a regimen of no playdates, no TV, no computer games and hours of practice create happy kids?”

Not afraid to push, pushNot afraid to scoldNot afraid to punishNot worried about children's self-esteem The Wall Street Journal, Jan. 8, 2011

Augustine and mother Monica

Pushing Rascal Son Augustine to

become Greatest Saint of Middle Ages

• Douglas MacArthur’s mother was his only teacher until he was thirteen

• She moved to be near him when he went to West Point, walked with him on “flirtation walk”

• She went with him to the Philippines in 1935

• crab.rutgers.edu/~goertzel/FamousChild.ppt

Mary Pinkney (“Pinky”) MacArthur

Douglas at West Point

Pablo Casals• Father wanted him to be a

carpenter, Mother wanted none of that

• His mother took him from a small town to Barcelona for lessons

• They suffered poverty in Brussels and Paris to advance his career

• His mother had to sell her hair to raise funds

• Casals stated, "Oh! the suffering and the wonderful way of my mother then. She was a heroine!” http://www.cello.org/Newsletter/Articles/casals.html

Pilar Defilló de Casals

“Sonya Carson decided to take matters into her own hands by switching off the television. Ben and Curtis were allowed to watch only two programs a week, and their mother made them read two books each week from the Detroit Public Library. The boys were also required to write book reports, which Sonya would underline and mark up.” http://www.answers.com/topic/ben-carson

Ben Carson said:“My story is really my mother's story — a woman with little formal education or worldly goods…”