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8th August 2014, 23:16

Sinister Cultural Marxist Senior RevolutionaryCommitted User

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Originally Posted by What historical millenarian movements have there been which can be comparable in nature? The Taiping Heavenly Kingdom? Obviouslynot on the same scale (yet), but...

The Taiping rebellion is a good point of comparison, but there were some similar ones in Islamic and Christian history, including some of themore violent and fanatic protestants during the reformation or some of the more "divinely inspired" crusaders. Islamic history has examples ofsuch movements too, such as the Mahdists in Sudan, and animist Africa did too, such as one Xhosa anti-colonial movement which led to massfamine in their kingdoms during the 19th century. Even on a small scale, there are pathetic examples like the LRA who manage to imposesignificant costs on those around them despite their small numbers.

The National Socialist party in Germany was just a more secular version of these millenarian movements.__________________

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9th August 2014, 00:29

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Originally Posted by Nakidana I'm surprised by this development. Not long ago the peshmerga were exalted as battle hardened and disciplined fighters who wouldpush ISIS back in the north all while Maliki, propped up by Iranian and US special forces, would regain control and start pushing in thesouth.

You only believe that Peshmerga are some super elite special force if you read nothing but Rudaw (and conversely for the YPG/PKK whatevercomes out of that idiot chairman Salih Muslim's mouth). Last year, when the Peshmerga were threatening to invade Syria to supportHasakah/Qamishili, I was one of the few here who called total bullshit. Most here were practically orgasmic at the prospect of 200,000Peshmerga superguerrillas crossing the border to squash Daesh like a bug with their elite AK marksmanship and checkered jemadanis.

I think leftists are so infatuated with the mythos of guerrillas and community militias that they have difficulty evaluating anything related tomilitary operations on objective terms. Fact is that the only use guerrillas and the like have in a real war is stalling the enemy with their blooduntil the big boys (armor, artillery, air) can get to the fight. That's the kind of war that Iraq is experiencing right now.

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Is the reason for ISIS' push in the north that they were stopped in the south?

Operations are still ongoing in the south. Abu Waheeb, one of the Caliphate's most notable field commanders, is commanding a force to clearout the area south of Baghdad (watch northern Babil Governate). They're still laying the groundwork, as they want to isolate that citycompletely before activating their sleepers and going in for real. If you recall Mosul, the isolation and infiltration of that city was going on for ayear before the final attack.

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Chaldean Christian leader: ISIS 'Systematically Beheading' Children in Iraq

Training for the international beheading Olympics starts early.

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9th August 2014, 01:21

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Originally Posted by Tim Cornelis What r u talking about?? This is fucking stupid. What christian sect in the western world is even remotely close to isis? None comeclose. Because none are theocratic state establishing mass murdering of other religious people behading them and setting them on fireand selling the women into (sexual) slavery batshit insane crazy!

Maybe the closest thing is the New Russia which has executed at least 14 protestants but they dont even come close to the level ofbrutality and sectarianism

Well i think the Loyalists in Ireland would count as a recent example of a very violent militant group based upon blind sectarian hatred. Theyindiscriminately killed any civilians they even suspected of being Catholic, Irish or being a Protestant Irish republican all the while being backedby the British state and given weapons and training by the British army. They where/are certainly nowhere near as big as ISIS naturally butUlster isn't exactly anywhere near as big as the region under the control of ISIS. But their sheer level of brutality and indiscriminate killing ofcivilians who had no ties to any paramilitaries is up there by any standards.

While they where not seeking to form a state (although a few Loyalists did want a Ulster that didn't rely on Britain and essentially wanted awhite Anglo-Saxon Protestant state) they where basically given carte blanche by the British state to murder any enemies of the state in theoccupied 6 counties thus doing much of the dirty work for the army and RUC. Though many members of the various Loyalist factions (UDA,UVF, etc) where also members of the British army as well as the Royal Ulster constabulary. Not only did they commit the worst and bloodiestsectarian murders of the troubles but their way of killing people which included everything from skinning their victims alive to decapitation set'sthem apart from most other paramilitaries even in that time and place. The Shankill butchers being a particularly notorious example whomurdered atleast 23 civilians during their relatively short time which where driven by sectarianism or Protestants unfortunate enough to get onthere revenge list.

So there's one fairly recent example.

9th August 2014, 07:13

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isn't this cute... The same "Leftists" who supported the invasion of Iraq against Saddam are now crying for more intervention against ISIS..smh..

9th August 2014, 21:55

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Yesterday I saw pics of children that had been beheaded by muslims and pics of hundreds of dead children allegedly slaughtered by them.

It was very hard looking at those.Remember when that idiot Bush said "Islam is a religion of peace"?Yeah,right!

9th August 2014, 22:39

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Originally Posted by Hagalaz Remember when that idiot Bush said "Islam is a religion of peace"?Yeah,right!

Are you trying to say what i think you're trying to say?__________________"Actually Marx is much quoted and little understood, but so is the Bible." (Erich Fromm)

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9th August 2014, 23:07

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Originally Posted by Hagalaz

Yesterday I saw pics of children that had been beheaded by muslims and pics of hundreds of dead children allegedly slaughtered by

them. It was very hard looking at those.Remember when that idiot Bush said "Islam is a religion of peace"?Yeah,right!

So all Muslims are bad are they? Jesus that's not being reactionary now is it . Most of the people ISIS are killing are other Muslims so going

by your "logic" then that should prevent future barbarians from growing up and slaughtering other people right? I am no fan of Islam or anyreligion but lumping all Muslims in with the ISIS bunch of Salafi extremists is like saying that every Jew in the world supports the occupation ofPalestine.

In short you sound like your typical right wing bigot.

10th August 2014, 10:48

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The interference of the Syrian/Turkish Kurds Khad laughed away in this thread saved 10.000 Yezidi who broke out of encirclement....Good enough for me.__________________

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Originally Posted by Sasha The interference of the Syrian/Turkish Kurds Khad laughed away in this thread saved 10.000 Yezidi who broke out of encirclement....Good enough for me.

And I have more laughs for your naivite. Even now the attribution for the operation is murky due to petty political backbiting. I can tell youone thing, though. The presence of foreign reinforcements is nowhere as great as sites like Rojavareport like to claim.

Saladin @AbsoIuteBanana 1h Acc to Rudaw, Peshmarga have denounced that YPG forces demand that they wear YPG flags on theirbodies/vehicles in Shingal.

As usual, there are two diametrically opposed narratives emerging--the Erbil based media making little to no mention of YPG involvement andYPG sources claiming that there are now 30,000 peshmerga deserters milling around doing dick all in northern Iraq. Then there's the littlematter of the official KRG government saying that American air strikes and military advisers to the Peshmerga have "completely changed" thebattle environment. So....good job?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...xtremists.html

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Two American aid flights have also made it to the mountain, where they have dropped off more than 36,000 meals and 7,000 gallonsof drinking water to help the refugees. However, Iraqi officials said that much of the US aid had been useless because it wasdropped from 15,000ft without parachutes and exploded oin impact.

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10th August 2014, 18:54

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Sasha and Khad - regardless of the attribution, it's good that those Yazidis were able to flee. Ultimately the situation still looks pretty bleakthough - who knows how many more are on the mountain? If IS can advance into Kurdistan, where would the great multitude of refugees whofled there, as well as countless secular Sunni kurds go? How did IS overpower the "vaunted" Peshmerga so quickly, and what does it mean forother non-secular non-state actors in the way of IS?

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Yesterday I saw pics of children that had been beheaded by muslims and pics of hundreds of dead children allegedly slaughtered by

them. It was very hard looking at those.Remember when that idiot Bush said "Islam is a religion of peace"?Yeah,right!

Every major civilization in the world has produced such mindless carnage.__________________

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10th August 2014, 18:57



Photos from the partially successful rescue operation:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...kill-them.html

As you can see, the drivers are wearing the traditional uniforms and jemadani headgear of the local peshmerga



This guy, judging from non-standard rig and camo, might be YPG:

Distance shot of the breakout column:



An earlier attempt at relief and evacuation by helicopter:




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10th August 2014, 19:38



A quick guide to visually identifying various Kurdish factions on the battlefield - using in-field photos as to reflect more typical outfits.

PESHMERGATraditional two-piece with headdress/scarf (for militia)Modern military kit, American helmets/vests, woodland camo preferred (for regular military forces). Some red berets.

YPGDigital camo, olive-drab, or just western-style street clothes, no helmets



PKK

The ones that recently arrived in Iraq. Similar to traditional peshmerga outfit, but with a larger and baggier jacket. Belt rig carried inside jacket.Tan/gray bandanas or black-checkered headscarves.





11th August 2014, 22:34

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KHAD, if you don't my asking, what is your position on the US intervention in Iraq?__________________"Why should we turn our country into an inn with doors flung open to pigs and sows, to people with pants on or no pants at all, to the hirsute, long-haired hippies tosupplant with their wild orgies the graceful dances of the Albanian people?" - Enver Hoxha

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Today, 09:14



With tens of thousands still trapped on Mt. Shingal and slow progress by local forces, Obama is mulling a ground operation.

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U.S. Weighs Military Rescue Mission for Yazidi Refugees (Boots on ground v. ISIS?)The Wall Street Journal ^| Tuesday, August 12, 2014 Updated 8:40 p.m. ET | Dion Nissenbaum Posted on 8/12/2014, 9:31:36 PM by kristinn

The U.S. is weighing a military mission in Iraq to rescue thousands of Yazidi refugees, a move that risks putting American forces indirect confrontation with Sunni fighters for the Islamic State.

The proposal is still under development and hasn't been approved by President Barack Obama. U.S. officials said the rescue mission isone of many options the U.S. military is weighing after dropping food and water to dying refugees over the past six days.

"People are looking at ways to do something more than just drop water and supplies," one senior U.S. official said. "You can only dothat for so long."

Since last week, the U.S. has sought to halt the militants' advance on the Kurdish city of Erbil and to relieve Yazidis trapped by thefighters on a barren mountain range through a campaign of airstrikes and aid drops.





A rescue mission could expose U.S. forces to direct fire from the militant group Islamic State, also known as ISIS, and that is a risk Mr.Obama may not be willing to accept.

On Tuesday, the Pentagon continued to lay the groundwork for a rescue by sending another 130 military advisers to northern Iraq todevelop options the Pentagon can present to the president. The team will be made up of U.S. Marines and members of Americanspecial operations forces who have expertise in difficult missions.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-w...ees-1407881639

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There's a lot of misunderstanding in this thread. And Khad, please do not refer to Kurdistan as "Northern Iraq". I see you have very anti Kurdishtendencies. I see no point in posting sources from the Daily Telegraph or other media that get their information from ISIS claims.

You must first understand the current political crisis among Kurds. The 3 main parties are the KCK (Organization founded by the PKK leadershipto practise Ocalan's ideology of Democratic Confederalism), KDP (Kurdistan Democratic Party led by President Barzani) and the PUK (PatrioticUnion of Kurdistan led by former Iraqi President Jalal Talabani).

All these groups have their own troops loyal to their party leadership.

The situation in Sinjar (It is called Shengal in Kurdish, Arab National Socialists like to change anything remotely Kurdish) is a very complex one.You had Peshmergas from the PUK and KDP but everyone seems to group these Peshmergas as one.

When ISIS started to attack the town, the KDP Peshmerga fled "due to little ammo after fighting for 4 hours". This is false. They left becausethe leadership of the KDP units in Sinjar/Shengal were very inexperienced and feared that they would lose the battle. The PUK Peshmergadecided to stay and fight.

Soon after the PYD (group associated with KCK) heard about the situation and so they decided to send YPG (People's Protection units) toassist the PUK Peshmerga against ISIS.

So ISIS never managed to fully take control of the town, but they like to twist things to scare everybody.

You must also understand the current crisis in Kurdistan and the media war occurring.

Hundreds of thousands of Arabs fled ISIS and went to take refuge in Kurdistan. At first the Kurds were very welcoming, offering their homesand free food. But people got fed up of seeing Arabs everywhere. They managed to do what Saddam wanted all along and that was to turn"Kurdistan into Arabistan". After finding out that many Arabs in Kurdistan had links to ISIS, Nationalist youth decided to form gangs to beat upor even try and kill these Arabs. Police arrested an Arab man trying to make a bomb.

So at one point, the Kurdistan leadership has to keep it's own people at bay while fighting a group that wants to destroy them.

And you must also know that there was no such thing as "an advance on the city of Erbil". They only managed to take Makhmour which is onthe outskirts of the province. And Makhmour wasn't even under Kurdish control until the Iraqi army fled in their thousands leaving valuablemilitary American made equipment behind. And that's what is making these ISIS mercenaries so powerful. We all have to blame it on thecorrupt leadership among the Iraqi army. Makhmour is now firmly under Peshmerga control.__________________Yaasn zgr Krdistan

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Today, 10:40

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I am rather pro-Kurdish, but to claim that South Kurdistan isn't Northern Iraq is bullshit.

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