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[–] tekz 21 points 5 days ago

Proof?

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[–] Recruiterama [S] 1 point 4 days ago

Never done an AMA not sure how I would

provide "proof"...business card I suppose?

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That's a good start, although it could be

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What do I do about the dreaded "long gaps" in

between jobs? And by gaps, I mean over a year.

Legitimate issues, I didn't go jail or anything. 2012

was just brutal. Thanks

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this in a resume (obviously in an interview you

can and should explain the gaps). Depending

on the forum of application, jotting a quick

note about it can be a good idea. For instance

if you are submitting your resume via email

you could include a one sentence line in the

body (anything longer would give the

impression you're trying to hide something)

such as: "I took time off after X because my

husband had a stroke and his recovery took

precedent"

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[–] BeriAlpha 6 points 5 days ago

Did you do anything last year? Guss it up. Sold

stuff on eBay? You experimented in a

home-based business. Took martial arts or just

sat around playing guitar? You took a year off

to pursue your personal development.

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[–] 387245 1 point 4 days ago

One of my personal favorites: Did random

odd jobs for family or friends = Freelancer.

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I was once told by an applicant that he

took 333 days off to tame his dragon.

Apparently this is the exact duration

required.

Yes he was serious. No he did not get

the job.

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[–] captain_obvious_scum 0 points 5 days ago

good way to phrase and lie. I like it!!!!

"Personal development" lol. Come on!

I'll take it!!!

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[–] nilhaus 1 point 4 days ago

Say you ran your own company during that

time. Show's initiative!

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If it's true yes, but lying is not a good idea

as it is almost always uncovered (even if

it's years later, you can get fired for lying

and being hired under false pretenses).

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[–] AKAnarchyKid 6 points 5 days ago

What's the quickest way to get a job?

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[–] cheftlp1221 11 points 5 days ago

Quickest way to get paid?

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Have a good idea before you start it.

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[–] onlinealterego 12 points 5 days ago

Great pair of answers

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[–] QueerbaitVirgin 1 point 5 days ago

After reading the rest of this thread: thank

god I started my own business and don't

have to go through the whole terrible

process of submitting resumes.

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[–] miss_mouse 3 points 5 days ago

I want to apply for an admin assistant and

receptionist at non-profit that serves Asian

immigrants and refugees. It requires 2+ years of

admin assistant experience, which I don't have.

However I still believe that I am qualified due to

my personality and experience and I think I would

be a great fit for the job.

Some stuff about me:

I was a resident assistant in the dorms. I basically

preformed al the duties they need. Just not in the

same capacity.

I have a BA in history. I took many classes for my

undergrad degree in Asian history. I also took

classes about Asian cultures through in my

school's anthropology department.

I have worked as a waitress in a Thai restaurant

for 5 years so I have a lot of experience and

patience with communicating with people who

have very minimal English. This seems to be a

very important quality to posses for this job as

stated by their requirements. I also have a basic

understanding about how many Asian cultures

work.

I have great customer service skills, unending

empathy and patience for people. I'd like to go on

to get my masters in social work so I like to help

people. I love to help people and have great

interpersonal skills.

So.

How do I sell myself as being the best possible

candidate for this job?

Thank you so much!

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This is a position where your Cover Letter will be extremely important. You need to sell the

hiring manager/recruiter on the fact that you aren't just looking for an admin

assistant/receptionist job (as many others will be) but that you specifically want this job because

of your connection to the Asian Culture. Get them so pumped up by the experience (personal

and professional) that you do have that they are willing to give you a chance in an interview

and overlook what you do not. Here are a few tips:

If you are bilingual I would definitely highlight this early. Tie it into your experience

being patient with ESL speakers.

1.

Everyone is going to say how they have great customer service skills and patience and

empathy. What will set you apart is your interest in the culture. Looking at a resume we

look for patterns. Your connection to the Asian culture in multiple areas will serve you

well, be sure to highlight that.

2.

Your plans to go on and get a masters in social work is both praiseworthy and relevant.

This will demonstrate the type of person that you are and will show that you are a good

candidate for the position.

3.

Hope that helps!

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[–] cheftlp1221 3 points 5 days ago

I'd say you have the start of a good cover letter with what you just wrote.

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Yes she does. I was thinking the same thing as I was reading.

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[–] koryisma 0 points 5 days ago

You sound a lot like me 8 years ago. :) History major (Asian), RA... interested in working with

immigrants...

I ended up at a non-profit women's clinic as a patient educator/counselor for English as well as

immigrants, then joined Peace Corps, spent two more years in-country working for an NGO, and

now am doing public health community work in the states.

Applied for MSW program, got in, but deferred for two years and finally said that it's not for me.

:)

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[–] zaneluke 1 point 5 days ago

To be honest. I work in the DC metro area and we have a huge Asian immigrant population. We

hired someone that could speak the language because it is pretty important.

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[–] Brianb22 2 points 5 days ago

How hard is it for a person without work experience to get a job? Is it true that sometimes job

candidates are hired because of their attractive looks?

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In a word, hard. With high unemployment there is obviously an abundance of qualified (and

even over qualified) candidates that makes it even more difficult for new workers to break into

the catch 22 of needing experience they don't have to get the experience they need. The key

than becomes what life experience you do have and how you demonstrate that in an interview.

Unfortunately yes that often plays a role, even unintentionally. Countless studies show that

people who are attractive are often received better than those who are considered "plain" or

"unattractive". Obviously both are subjective. So it could be the case that this is happening

subconsciously on the part of the hiring manager.

Interestingly enough, the opposite can be true as well, especially among females. Some hiring


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managers may (usually not so subconsciously) turn a candidate away out of jealousy.

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[–] Cannibalzz 1 point 4 days ago

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[–] Brianb22 1 point 4 days ago

SHITTTT. I had an interview today, and they might hire me, IF i pass the drug screening.

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[–] flyintheflannel 3 points 5 days ago

I recall seeing a while back (on reddit I think) that it's wiser to try to negotiate for more vacation

days than higher pay when considering a job offer. True?

Also, if one did want to try to negotiate for a higher salary, how would you recommend approaching

the topic?

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That's a tough one, especially since wiser is subjective. Do you mean what will you have more

success in? Or what will look less negative in the hiring managers eyes? Asking for more money

is dependent on a lot of factors. Are you just being greedy? Or are you just trying to stay where

you were at previously? Are you trying to negate a cost of living increase? My best advice there

is take what they offer you (if it's reasonable) and work your but off to show you are worth more

money and than ask.

Asking for more vacation days is probably a bad idea for a few reasons. First off your showing

before you have a job that you are more interested in the days you won't be working than the

days you will. Also many hiring managers will have the authority to approve salary up to a

certain figure (usually higher than their initial offer) but not the authority to change vacation

days. Also unlike salary vacation days are usually somewhat standardized across a company,

imagine you are successful in negotiating, do you want to be known as the new guy who is

coming in with 20 days of vacation when everyone else has 12?

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[–] flyintheflannel 1 point 3 days ago*

thanks for getting back to me. You raised some good points that I hadn't thought about. I

asked because I interviewed for a position that I believe I have a decent chance of getting

(also my only interview or even response back since applying for jobs since Oct). The pay

was a bit low -slightly less than I previously made as an intern - and cost of living in Orange

County is pretty high. It's a relatively small manufacturing company so it's hard for me to

gauge proper salary for that position as well.

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[–] FletcherPratt 3 points 5 days ago

Recruiters who contact me often want to do a pre salary negotiation thing. My acceptable rate

depends on a lot of factors that aren't in the job description. How do I pass this gate without making

a hard commitment?

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[–] HarmlessEZE 1 point 5 days ago

I'm currently looking for a job and I was just asked this, I panicked. The I didn't know much

about the company, or the position. Just a little that was on their website. I think i may have

low balled myself and now i'm kicking myself over it. I was just so shocked to be getting a call.

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You can use this to your advantage. Kick butt for the first 6 months- a year and than when

the timing is right ask for a raise saying that you really liked the company/position and

planning ahead/wanting to stay there for a long time you just wanted to get your foot in the


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door and were willing to take less money than you would have liked but feel you have now

demonstrated that you are worth more.

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[–] HarmlessEZE 1 point 4 days ago

Thank you, that takes some stress off me now.

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[–] Angoth 1 point 4 days ago*

HA HA HA HA. No. It doesn't work this way. Asking for a raise when you feel you deserve

it sounds good but it does not work. There is no reason for them to say yes. If you were

the one making the decision and there were no consequences for saying no, would you

say yes?

You're a recruiter and you're telling people to take less at the start and how to handle

employment down the line? I see that you want them to get the job, but I question your

experience in helping people navigate their career past the actual 'getting the job'.

To the OP, do you really want to work for an employer who is demanding up-front

negotiations before you have all the facts? If you really need the job, then do it. If it

were me and I didn't need the job, I'd steer clear. It indicates what will happen down the

road.

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Actually you're wrong. I didn't tell him/her to take less. I said given the situation,

here is what you can do. In another comment I said to ask for more than what you

are expecting. This is pretty common practice on both sides.

And you're wrong on both counts, there is reason for them to say yes, otherwise

nobody would get a raise ever.

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Recruiters are trained to not give the first number, this is masked by the statement "Depends on

experience (which is valid)" You can flip this around by saying your rate would depend on the

specific requirements (saying you need more information, etc.) however this will have negative

consequences as you won't be as easy going as other candidates (of which there will be many).

My best advice is to give a range a little higher than what you would actually expect. If it's

acceptable to them great, if not than they will let you know it's a little high and ask if you are

flexible (and you can negotiate accordingly).

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[–] Angoth 1 point 4 days ago

Or, you could tell anyone that asks that you don't discuss numbers until an actual offer is in

front of you. If you mention a number first, it's the ceiling and they will always negotiate

down. If the employer mentions a number first, it's the floor and you can negotiate up.

BTW, "I'd like to keep my salary between myself and my employer" is a valid answer no

matter how many times I hear differently. If you want me to work for you, make a damn

offer in the range that someone with that skill set deserves.

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[–] jaaaack 2 points 5 days ago

Is a photo necessary on a CV?

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[–] I_Miss_Scrubs 1 point 4 days ago

Maybe for a model. Not for anyone else.

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[–] jaaaack 1 point 4 days ago

There are positions, other than model, for which employers want to be sure you're


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presentable. You may be require to welcome or meet clients all day long and certain companies

might prefer a good looking person.

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[–] Suspected 0 points 4 days ago

As I mentioned above, this depends on the country. Even if an employer was selecting

based on attractiveness, that would never be overtly stated in the US or UK. In those

countries, having a photo in a CV is considered very inappropriate regardless of the

position.

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[–] Suspected 1 point 4 days ago

This actually depends on what country you live in. It's considering inappropriate to include a

photo in the US and UK, but in other countries, such as Germany and Japan, it's considered

standard.

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[–] HarmlessEZE -2 points 5 days ago*

Only if you plan on using your looks to make it up the corporate ladder. You list all the good

things about yourself on your resume, why wouldn't you list being attractive?

Edit: apparently no one else caught this was sarcasm and thought it was funny. I don't actually

condone using a picture.

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No a photo is not necessary and I recommend not using one. Let them see your pretty face

when you get that interview. I don't know about countries other than the US so 'Suspected'

could very well be correct there.

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[–] sobaditsgood 3 points 4 days ago

What is the consensus on that trite "Objective" statement so many people put at the top of their

resume?

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There is no "right" answer but the consensus is to not use one unless you can think of

something incredibly creative that makes it worthwhile. If you do use one make sure you tailor

it to your specific job.

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[–] Dough_boye 4 points 5 days ago

You must see hundreds of CVs a day and scan through many more profiles online. What do you

usually look for that will get your attention? I guess I am wondering if there is anything in general

that will get your attention and/or help you in your assesment of my suitability of the roles you are

working on.

Also, is it usually the case where you try to find the candidate that fits the most in terms of

experience, or do you look at the experience and think outside the box to think of some other roles

that the profile might be suited for?

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Yes - I probably look at over 100 resumes on a slow day. Here's a good tip: When Recruiters

initially look at resumes we aren't looking for reasons to keep reading, we're looking for reasons

to stop. We follow the 8-20-5 rule. The vast majority of resumes I look at get thrown out within

8 seconds. This is because I spot a "red flag" off the start (lots of jobs in a small amount of time,

long time without a job, lots of industry switching, unrelated professional experience, etc.) If I

don't see one off the bat than I spend 20 seconds looking for a reason to keep reading - this is

job specific. About 3% of the resumes will make it past this point where I will than spend 5


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minutes actually reviewing the candidate.

My biggest tip to get attention is to make your experience CLEAR and to speak in terms of

experience that you have. A concise bullet-point list will convey a lot more information than a

rambling sentence because the bullet point will actually get read.

I personally try to think outside the box but this will vary between recruiter and company.

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[–] Dough_boye 4 points 5 days ago

Thank you for the reply. The 8-20-5 rule is very useful to know.

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[–] OppositeImage 3 points 5 days ago

Found it

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Oh, you! Have an upvote.

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[–] ilovetpb 1 point 5 days ago

I wish all recruiters were as good as you...I get contacted all the time about jobs that are in

the periphery of my experience, or jobs that I have no experience in at all. It seems like

some recruiters are just mass emailing people.

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Thanks! Unfortunately there is definitely a learning curve, and as hard as it is to convey

your life experience onto paper the reverse process of reading said paper and

envisioning the life experience is even more difficult. Another problem is new recruiters

rely to heavily on keywords and don't actually use their brains.

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[–] munnyfish 1 point 5 days ago

So you're saying if I had 7 years in the restaurant industry, 3 in market research, and 1 in

promotions, I would be scrapped?

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[–] artosis420 2 points 5 days ago

yes, do you understand why?

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[–] xXxLadyAlicexXx 1 point 4 days ago

I don't, may I have an explanation why? ...not to sound rude, please don't take it

that way.

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Not necessarily scrapped but it is a big caution. Let's take a sports analogy.

Knowing nothing else about them would you rather have a guy on your

basketball team whose played basketball for 10 years or who played for 3 years

than switched to hockey for 4 and than to soccer for 3? Companies don't like

variables, they want consistency, someone they think will be able to hit the

ground running and be dependable. There are of course exceptions, and

moonlighting on the side in another area usually looks good.

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[–] 2muchtequila 2 points 5 days ago


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What are some good questions to ask when trying to decide on a recruiter to work with?

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Beyond giving you general questions to make sure they know what they are doing that would

heavily depend on the type of job you are looking for. Depending on the position/level my

answer would be why work with just one? At a higher level it is best to work with just one but

the right questions would depend on what you're in the market for.

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[–] jasonff1 1 point 5 days ago

Do you see much work or an explosive ordnance tech come across your desk or is it all just normal

jobs?

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In this industry you see everything. A lot of people who are unemployed will apply for jobs they

have no chance or interest in getting because showing you are looking for work is a requirement

in collecting benefits.

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[–] cheftlp1221 1 point 5 days ago

I recently closed my restaurant that I owned for 6 years (30 total years in the biz). I believe I have

the experiences and a resume to be qualified for any mid to upper management position in a

Restaurant Mgt company. Having trouble get a sniff of anything.

My ego says there is a bias against me because I worked for myself.

My pity-party self says I am toxic because the restaurant closed.

Are any of my insane selves correct?

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Having worked for yourself can work for an against you. It will show that you have the skills and

character beyond what is required for the position, but can also be an indicator that you will

want to do things your own way instead of their way. Trying to show that this is not the case will

be a challenge.

I think something like 99% of restaurants close in the first year, and especially in this economy

I don't think you would be judged after having made it for so long.

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[–] cheftlp1221 1 point 5 days ago

Should I read anything into a company's job listing web page that has looked the same for a

couple of months?

Is it, there is heavy turnover in the positions or low priority for the web master?

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I wouldn't, it could definitely be the latter. Also some companies will leave closed

positions up to build up a bank of applicants for the future.

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[–] Erix81 1 point 5 days ago

How hard is it to find a career in fire fighting?

Are associate degrees really flooding the market?

Best way to beef up a resume?

Thanks (:

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I don't have any professional experience working with firefighting but I do on a personal side. I

had a number of friends (great guys and very fit) who were all in an undergraduate fire-fighting

program at our university (I would imagine this is pretty rare for most schools) and even they

had a pretty tough time, so I think it is a pretty difficult thing to crack into. I imagine having

things like public service and volunteer firefighting would increase your chances.

Yes they are. On a somewhat related note I read today that last year there were 100k applicants

to law school and this year there are about 25k on pace for 50k total because the market is

over-saturated with degrees of all types.

The best way to beef it up is to tone it down. Make your resume clear and concise. Bullet points

are your friend. Read your resume aloud to yourself and pretend you don't know what is on

there and ask yourself if it clearly demonstrates your experience. The best advice I can give is

the things to avoid doing. This link is actually pretty helpful, especially #4 and 7

http://career-advice.monster.com/resumes-cover-letters/resume-writing-tips/avoid-the-top-

10-resume-mistakes/article.aspx

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[–] Frosty46 1 point 5 days ago

I am currently attending college straight out of high school, and I'm looking into finding a job. How

can I find a Job that hires me, even though I have no past work experience? Is it as hard as people

claim it is out there? Or are people not looking hard enough?

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Speaking in generalities here, the best bet is to find an internship that relates to your major and

a field you are interested in. Often times those internships turn into jobs after college. If not,

at-least you now have Pseudo professional experience that a employer can relate to.

Every generation feels more entitled than the one before it. I personally feel that most people

with college degrees who can't find jobs are being either lazy or have to high of expectations

(there are exceptions obviously).

If you know a friend who can't find a job, ask them what they are actually doing, sitting on the

couch or sending their resume to 50+ places a day?

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[–] Frosty46 2 points 5 days ago

Thank you very much :D I feel a bit more confident about finding a job that best suits my

major :)

I do have a number of friends that complain about it on Facebook, then again, they're

complaining on Facebook instead of doing something about it. It's like the world wants

everything placed in the palm if their hand with no effort. :(

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[–] rootedxx 1 point 5 days ago

Job Experience or Higher Education ?

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There is no substitute for experience.

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[–] captain_obvious_scum 1 point 5 days ago

what about graduate school? Pretty sure you'll get huge preference when you got a Master's

or Phd. And plus most of them make you work with professionals in the field anyway.

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[–] yellowjacketcoder 5 points 5 days ago*

I have a master's in my field (Computer Science Masters, field is software development).

It was definitely NOT worth it. You get almost no preference, and in fact may get

downgraded because MS means you want more money without necessarily having work


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experience.

PhD is even worse. PhDs have a very hard time being hired out of academia.

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[–] captain_obvious_scum -2 points 5 days ago

Are you joking? First off, Computer Science is obviously an in demand field. With

your MS, you should have no issues with a job search or whatever. SERIOUSLY MAN.

Where are your projects? Outside work? INTERNSHIPS??!?!?! etc. Geez man.

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[–] yellowjacketcoder 5 points 5 days ago

What about my post makes you think I don't have a job, didn't have internships,

and didn't have project? You are reading stuff that isn't there.

I am simply saying that the MSCS is not worth it. It would have been better for

me to NOT get the MS and just stay in industry. (I had no trouble getting a job, I

just would have preferred not wasting a bunch of time getting a useless degree).

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[–] captain_obvious_scum -3 points 5 days ago

A Master's of Science in CS is useless? Really man? Whatever you say. I'm

sure Artificial Intelligence is worth it more but hey whatever man.

Graduate school is supposed to open you up to more opportunities btw.

Promotions etc. pay raises.

Look at other fields with Masters and Phds. A lot different and they generally

get a good amount more. You? Confused?

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[–] bachiswach 5 points 5 days ago

I have a Master's as well in a different field. Master's/Doctoral degrees

are great if you want to learn more about a subject you care about, but

they're basically there to demonstrate that you're capable of advanced

research. You don't typically learn anything mysterious or magical, you

just do a shit-ton of research and have people with PhD's say "Yeah, that

person can can be trusted to accomplish good research." It really doesn't

help much with getting a job. If you just want a good job, stick with work

experience. If you have a passion for your field, then you may find higher

education fulfilling. But don't expect employers to nut themselves

because you have a Master's when there's another guy who's had 3 more

years of experience than you.

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oh yeah right. Experience. Okay, you win.

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[–] brima 2 points 4 days ago

Honestly, what you know about other fields doesn't apply to IT.

Most jobs aren't with computer companies, or software companies.

They're in companies that primarily do something else - like

manufacturing. You are overhead, so keeping costs down is important.

People with higher degrees or lots of experience are expensive, and most

of the work is not rocket science. The prevailing attitude is it's

better/cheaper to train your own than a hire an expensive skillset -

skilled people are also hard to retain.

Churn in most IT shops is very high - there are only so many slots, and

technical ladders only go so high, so the way you get a raise is often by

going somewhere else.


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Add to that that in the past a lot of CS grads might as well have been given

a business degree and the value really starts to drop off. Schools with

programs like that are really doing their students a disservice - though the

grads we're getting now are a lot better. I guess the programs just took

awhile to mature - but you now have that stereotype to fight as well.

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Well if you do IT manager in my area, you get 6 figures but okay I

see yo ass.

CS grads rather own their own software company? Eh. Makes sense.

But yes, CS grads AND IT related degree technical grads are getting

better and more "mature". Stereotype and shit? Whatever man, it's a

STEM field of Technology and always is in demand and pays pretty

well for what it is.

And plus, we're not regressing our fucking asses back to the stone

age. Technology drives us forward. So software and IT people are

needed in the future more and more.

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[–] Say_what_you_see 1 point 4 days ago

i have had people looking for grads WITHOUT a masters or PHD because they dont want

a book worm. I would look at someone without a Masters first.

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[–] ozarka83 1 point 5 days ago

Can you recall the best "off the wall" cover letter you've come across?

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Yes - it was for a position of a Senior Software Engineer and the applicant tied in a life changing

trip he took to Asia with his professional experiences and goals.

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[–] verytroo 1 point 5 days ago

Can we have a read?

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That would be a privacy violation.

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[–] MikeVoldemort 1 point 5 days ago

Was that a negative or a positive?

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Positive.

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[–] andicotsteel 1 point 5 days ago

Any tips on how someone who has been out of the workforce for 5+ years should construct their

resume so someone like you doesn't chuck it right into the circular file?

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That is a toughie, I would have to know why you were out of the workforce to give you a good

answer. 5+ years is a big red flag.

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[–] andicotsteel 3 points 5 days ago*

Let's say someone is a stay at home mom and they have been out of work for that long.

Would you just chuck the resume solely based on the gap? Would you tell this person to get

more creative with their work history and add some more recent experience to fill it out?

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Not OP, but I do have experience screening resumes from a hiring perspective.

Would you tell this person to get more creative with their work history and add some

more recent experience to fill it out?

Most definitely. Spend some time volunteering somewhere to have some recent

experience and, hopefully, a new contact or reference. Someone recent needs to be able

to vouch for you/your work and your ability to function well in an office environment.

I've had to pass over some stay at home moms before because I just didn't know if they

would do well in a busy and stressful office environment. It sucks, but we don't have the

time or the budget to take a chance and go out on a limb for some unknown person like

that. Someone needs to be able to vouch for you and your current abilities.

Edit: formatting.

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[–] Angoth 2 points 4 days ago

He would apply the 8-20-5 rule mentioned above. He'll spend 8 seconds looking for a

reason to stop reading. He found one. It's a 'big red flag'.

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[–] maradori 2 points 5 days ago

Putting two and two together, I see your reply on one comment saying your jurisdiction is the west

coast, and another of your comments saying a senior s/w eng cover letter......

Do you handle headhunting for s/w eng jobs in the bay area? If so, can I PM you with my LinkedIn?

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Sure, I'd be happy to take a look.

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[–] tina0087 1 point 5 days ago

Why do employers use assessment tests like taleo? I personally think that they are a waste of time.

I've read that studies have showed that they are 98% accurate but I'd rather an employer deny or

approve me after meeting me face to face. Instead of a stupid test that never tells me if I passed or

failed because "I strongly disagreed" or "strongly agreed". And thank you for this ama

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Haha this made me chuckle. I agree with you, unfortunately it's a characteristic of the direction

the world is heading. The short answer is that those tests in a way protect employers from

making a hiring mistake, especially when it comes to legal matters. If down the road someone

gets hired and take an unnecessary risk and the test showed a caution that was ignored they

can be in deep water...

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[–] gingerherb 2 points 5 days ago

I recently applied to some recruitment agencies in California to further my job search, but never

received a response. I was wondering how to connect with a recruiter and the best way to receive

feedback. I perceived a recruiter as someone you have a relationship with and can help you to find

job placement. However, the more I search the less personal it seems.

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It varies from company to company. Some of the big firms are definitely more volume and less


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personal. I would say try and get in contact with a smaller one. Of course they will be more

selective with less resources but if you do get in it should be a more personal experience.

Recruiters deal with a lot of shit throughout the day so if you go out of your way to express

gratitude and thank them for their time it should increase your chances of getting some feedback.

Even though we're on the other side of the process we're people too!

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[–] RoyIsBlack 1 point 5 days ago

I'm quite weak with cover letters, so I was just wondering what some solid tips to whip one out

quickly and efficiently.

Also, what's more likely to get me hired, my interview or my credentials?

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Credentials will get you an interview, the interview is what gets you the job. These days with a

plethora of quality candidates for most positions, cultural fits are as important as qualifications.

Cover letters are tricky and shouldn't really be done quickly. I know it's a pain but if you're

going to spend 2080 hours a year in a job you should take the time to prepare and put your best

foot forward.

Best tips are to target the letter to the job you are applying for. I can't stress this enough. Also

don't just regurgitate what is on your resume, supplement it. If you have any red flags (such as

a gap in employment) you can use the cover letter to explain it (maybe you were traveling for a

year). Keep it simple and ask yourself what the point of each sentence is. One great tip is to

express long term interest, you want to convince all companies that you want to stay with them

forever. Talk about what you want to accomplish and insinuate that this company can help you

get there.

Above all make sure there are no spelling/grammar mistakes or it will go right into the trash.

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[–] koryisma 1 point 5 days ago

How long of a cover letter is too long? Do you like bulleted cover letters?

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Cover letters should not be more than a page and should not be bullet pointed.

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[–] entropy_0 1 point 5 days ago

I lack experience and I'd like to earn some money. How do you suggest I start doing that, general

info about starting jobs for example?

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Start somewhere and than bust your butt to get where you want to be.

All jobs come with requirements of things you have to do. But that isn't an exhaustive list. Take

on more responsibilities, show initiative, and force people above you to take notice. That can

help get you where you want to go quicker. Don't just wait for the world to come to you.

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Translation: Take a shitty salary and hope.

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[–] kodran 1 point 5 days ago

Do you have any particular advice when applying within editorial or press related jobs. Thanks in

advance.

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Not really. Come prepared with good examples of your work and good references. That's a type

of job where you can add a little flare to your resume because of the nature of the industry.

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[–] kodran 1 point 3 days ago

Thanks :D

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[–] Resiehnnes 1 point 5 days ago

I started working in marketing before I had a degree. I started my degree part time and now half

way through it. This means I've currently got just over 5 years marketing experience and half a

degree.

I feel like when I apply for jobs I get overlooked because I haven't completed my degree yet, even

though I have years of experience. Would this be the case?

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It could be. Marketing is a very unique industry and hard to break into. I'd imagine that the

degree takes a back seat to what you have accomplished in your experience. I'd recommend

tailoring your resume to highlight your accomplishments.

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[–] Phyco126 2 points 5 days ago

Why is being "over qualified" a thing? My dad had trouble getting work because of that some years

ago and recently my friend was turned down a job because of the same thing. Honestly, I thought a

company would kill to have a extremely qualified person working for their company for pennies on

the dollar (aka, paying them $9 an hour when they are worth $20 an hour).

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[–] baianobranco 4 points 5 days ago

They are worried that they will either: 1)need to pay them more than they are willing for that

position (either to start or in the near future) . 2)the person will continue to look for better paid

positions elsewhere and leave the company relatively quickly. 3)the person won't work at their

full potential since they are not being compensated fully.

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This, specifically #2, I actually wondered this myself back when I was a young lad.

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[–] burghfan1 1 point 5 days ago

I may be getting out of the military sooner than expected and I have come to see a very common

requirement for my career field which is needing a B.S. I have 10 years of experience and currently

a sophmore in college. Will my experience and military career put me above other applicants who

are more educated?

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Hiring Managers love a military background for obvious reasons. It won't put you over but it

may help level the playing field, it would depend on what your field is.

Unfortunately a lot of companies take the view that doing "stuff" in the military while related

doesn't perfectly translate into "real world" experience. To give a better answer I'd need

specifics.

There was a pretty solid sketch about this on The Daily Show a while back.

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[–] burghfan1 1 point 4 days ago

I've been a meteorologist for the past 10 years, doing everything from forecasting for

airports to supporting flying missions.


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[–] MissBee92 1 point 5 days ago

I'm finding looking for employment difficult. I'm right in the middle - the easiest way to show my

dilemma is on the scale of the benefits system - I don't qualify for Job Seekers Allowance because I

am unwell enough that I am not 'actively seeking employment' or am able to work, but I also don't

have a definitive diagnosis of my condition, meaning I'm not qualified for any kind of employment

support allowance. I'm having difficulty with jobs because there are things I feel massively unable to

do, but can't back up that I can't do it. There are other jobs I feel capable of, but then I feel obliged

to disclose the nature of my condition and it causes problems and then questions are raised about

my capabilities. I also need to find an employer that is understanding and flexible - I don't want to

take the mickey though. The one job I did have, was shift based work in a chip shop - if I had an

episode before my shift, it would result in me being tired and disoriented through the shift, my boss

let me go because I was not adequately doing the job he paid me for. On a good day, I can move

mountains. On a bad day... I don't know what to do. What kind of jobs are out there for me, and

how can I best get my needs met by an employer. I want to earn what i have and not sit sponging

off my parents or the government.

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I can't really answer this without knowing more about your condition, but I can tell you that you

definitely have the right attitude. It sounds like a good place to start would be seeking

employment with someone you know who would be a bit more understanding (a friend of a

friend, a restaurant you frequent, etc.)

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[–] sirius_violet 2 points 5 days ago

I have never worked in PR before, but I have a degree in Mass Communications. I've been using it

to teach abroad. Now I want to move back to the USA, and I need to know how to make my work

experience look good on my resume. Also, how does one get an entry-level PR job? Where does one

look for job listings? Is there a good web site?

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Here is a good explanation of how to make your time abroad look good

http://jobs.guardian.co.uk/article/4170824/international-experience-on-your-cv/

PR is hard to crack into and it's really just a matter of sending your resume to a number of

places and waiting. Obviously Career Builder and Monster are places to start. You can also

google PR companies and apply directly on their website (they will have a section for job

seekers)

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[–] sirius_violet 1 point 2 days ago

Wow, thank you!

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[–] theunseeingeye 1 point 5 days ago

Why the hell does every job list "Previous job experience needed."

I need this job for job experience. Thanks.

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Internships and volunteering, yo.

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Entry level jobs don't require previous experience (theoretically). Non entry level jobs do.

The reality is that there is an overabundance of talent so hiring managers can be more selective

right now.


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[–] Jonnyyyy 1 point 5 days ago

When waiting to hear back from an assessment day and it is taking longer than expected what kind

of things would you include in a follow up email?

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Keep it short but be memorable. Show why you are specifically interested in that job and not

just a job in general. Tie in an experience you had during the assessment that made you feel

why this is the right place.

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[–] vulpes_occulta 1 point 5 days ago

What is your rate of retention for candidates you have recruited?

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Depends on where you want to draw the line. I've had one person leave after taking a job. I've

had several turn down job offers as well. But all in all pretty high.

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[–] CoolCalmJosh 1 point 5 days ago

I hope this is an appropriate question but...

I'm an engineering major and I'm very torn on getting my degree in 4/5 years and doing summer

internships or taking a few semesters off to work in a Co-op.

Would there be a big difference between an internship and co-op on a resume? The obvious

difference being time spent. Thanks

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A Co-op will probably serve you better and differentiate you more (unless you get a great fitting

internship).

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[–] jaxmagicman 2 points 5 days ago

How do you find a headhunter?

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You don't we find you!

Hehe.

Google recruiting/headhunting firms in your area and fire away.

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[–] ats120 1 point 5 days ago

Hi thanks for this. If I do hear back from a recruiter, saying he/she would like to chat for a bit, what

does that mean? Obviously I don't have a job but I have stood out in some way. Curious as to your

opinion.

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Exactly the way it sounds. Something has peaked their interest and they think talking to you is

worth their time. Most likely they have a position in mind and want to learn more about you to

see if you'd be a good fit.

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[–] moxiecontin714 1 point 5 days ago

What kind of jobs am I qualified for? I graduated from a high school with great credentials; I've

been thinking about getting my real estate license. I have no plans to attend college.


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Well...any job that doesn't require a degree.

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[–] boomfarmer 1 point 5 days ago

When an application is due "February 1", does that mean it's due at EOB Jan. 31, midnight Jan.

31/Feb. 1, or EOB Feb. 1?

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It means you should show initiative and get it in a few days before it is due!

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[–] ilikebikes 1 point 5 days ago

My wife is an elementary school teacher of 10+ years and also has a Masters in administration.

While becoming a principal or assistant principal is an option to not teaching, she thinks she wants

to get out of the field entirely.

Other than more school, what would be a good starting point in her job search? I realize we need to

limit her search in some ways but we don't really know what she would be a fit for. Should we

contact a recruiter and how do you recommend finding a quality one in our area?

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I don't really know to be honest. Obviously staying somewhat related to the education system

will give her a leg up (School office/administration/guidance counselor IDK).

Contacting a recruiter couldn't hurt, but I'm not sure if it would be a big help either, education is

really a field of it's own and switching gears entirely will bring you back close to square one

(aside form demonstrated success in a professional environment).

You can easily google good headhunting/recruiting firms in your area, but be sure to steer clear

from ones that specialize in non related areas.

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[–] Bok_Globule 2 points 5 days ago

How easy is it to tell if someone is lying on their resume?

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Easier than you would think. When you do anything long enough, you get good at it and start to

pick up patterns of what should and shouldn't be, even subconsciously. I don't recommend lying.

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[–] mcjoken 1 point 5 days ago

how do you make experiences like travel and jobs outside of your profession work for you?

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Not sure what you mean here...like how do you make it look good on a resume?

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[–] Tokyocheesesteak 1 point 5 days ago

I'm an entry level architect/draftsman. Normally someone like me would make 30-35K. I got a job

that doesn't fully satisfy me, yet it pays well - 40K. I'm afraid that next time I apply for a different

job, stating my current salary would intimidate my prospective employer, as they would imagine

(rightfully so) that I seek equal or higher compensation. In reality, I'd be willing to accept less (at

least 35K) for a similar position at a company that suits me better. Would it be wise for me to not

disclose my actual 40K earnings and lowball it (say, tell them I make 36K) or are my fears

unfounded?

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It would be foolish to lowball your salary. You can use it to your advantage that you are willing

to take a pay cut to find a better fit. This is a big + in the eyes of any employer.

Plus they can probably figure out what you were making if they try and like I've said repeatedly

it is never good to lie.

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[–] Tokyocheesesteak 1 point 1 day ago

Good point. Thanks for the reply.

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[–] gia2484 2 points 5 days ago

My SO has been looking for a job without success for the past 4 years. Therefore she has a big gap

on the CV. What can she do/say in her CV to avoid getting tossed in the can after 8 seconds?

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[–] 387245 2 points 4 days ago

She needs to start volunteering somewhere so she stops looking like dead weight. It also seems

like she needs to lower her expectations for positions she applies for. Being underemployed is

better than being unemployed, especially when you've been unemployed for 4 years.

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[–] gia2484 1 point 4 days ago

thanks for the reply :)

Can I cite you as a "reliable" source, i.e. are you also a recruiter?

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[–] 387245 3 points 4 days ago

I am not a recruiter, but I have spent a lot of time screening resumes for the law firm I

work for. Everything OP has said in this ama has been spot on. Your gf needs to take

extra care making sure she has zero grammatical or spelling errors in her cover letter

and resume, because that is the very first thing that will stop the entire process dead in

its tracks. As soon as I come across an error like that, your resume is thrown into the

trash pile immediately and I move on to the next applicant.

The way your resume looks is also a pretty big factor in whether or not you end up in

the trash pile. If your resume looks cluttered and sloppy, into the trash you go. Make it

sleek, simple, and concise. Don't use some stupid font, or more than one font, and

definitely don't make your resume look all quirky like a god damn flow chart, like the

person who posted their resume in this thread as a template, UNLESS you are applying

for a creative position.

Since your gf has been unemployed for such a lengthy amount of time, it brings up a

huge red flag from a hiring perspective. If she has been actively seeking employment for

4 years without success, it sends a signal to me that for some reason NO employer, FOR

THE LAST 4 YEARS, has wanted to touch her with a ten foot pole and that makes me

weary. To counteract this, she should volunteer as much as she can right now to both

stop the appearance of no one wanting her around, professionally speaking, and to make

some new contacts and possible references.

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I can't give a better answer than this.

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[–] athornton79 1 point 5 days ago

Speaking in generalities (since I am outside your jurisdiction):

Currently working as a chemical analyst with an environmental testing company in Pennsylvania. I

have a BS degree in Chemistry with 1 year of graduate school. However, I'm making a good

$3-4/hour less than the averages say I should be. I've been working at the current company for


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going on 3 years now (previous work experience was not related to my degree).

Should I consider going back to getting a Master's degree, taking the hit in pay? Would it be

worthwhile in the long run? What are the best ways to find companies hiring who are not posting to

the 'well known' job sites (Monster, etc)? Considering my options right now.

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[–] baconroses 1 point 5 days ago

I'm in digital marketing/advertising and unfortunately the industry breeds a culture of job hopping

due to poor welfare and rare internal promotions/pay raises. So the only effective way of getting

higher up on the salary scale is to move on after 1-2 years of experience. Is this something that

recruiters have come to accept in this industry?

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[–] Patotas 2 points 5 days ago

What would be the best way to move into different job type? I am currently working as a upper level

transportation manager (overall vehicle, equipment, fuel, insurance, acquisitions/disposals, all

vehicle taxes, company policy writing etc) and am trying to move into a project management role

for a semi-conductor based company (thinks General Dynamics, Intel, Honeywell, etc) I have been

at the same company for a littel over 6 years now and started at the bottom($10/hr with ~15 hrs a

week) and have also worked at the company doing several different accounting roles before I came

to national fleet. Any help you could give me would be great. I have been submitting my resume for

about 6 months here and there to different companies online but never hear anything back.

Although I am not in a hurry to find another job I would like to be able to progress in a

company/role that I think would better suit me. Any help would be great. Thanks for doing this

AMA.

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[–] Alt_For_One 1 point 5 days ago

How do you connect with a recruiter? Do they scan job sites where you've posted a resume, or do

you need to contact them directly.

I'm looking to switch careers and have impressive experience, but since I want to go to another

industry where I don't have networking or connections, I need some help finding good matches.

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[–] antoniusmagnus 1 point 5 days ago

I am an English teacher with a MA, and all I can find are adjunct positions, which are semester to

semester with no long-term prospects. What else can someone with my writing/editing

/proofreadings skills do professionally?

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[–] devmen 1 point 5 days ago

Hi! I'm a young professional in the bay area with a total of 2 years of experience and my skill set is

focus on analysis (statistical and economic).

I am often contacted by recruiters from various industries and get alot of meetings and interviews. I

have turned down two offers recently, because I didn't think the pay is good enough to switch, nor

did the work seem interesting to me.

Sounds like recruiters try to match candidates to positions. Are there cases where you try to match

positions to candidates?

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[–] paperclipps 1 point 5 days ago

I saw earlier that you wrote about having experience that is unrelated on your resume. I am

graduating with a neuroscience degree and I am going to graduate school for HCI and or UX,

computer science related. Having gone to undergraduate for a medical field will this hurt me in the

long run?

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[–] brandonderrick 1 point 5 days ago


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I'm graduating college in about two years with a degree in Information Management and Systems

(AKA Informatics). I already work in my schools IT department, and I've done some freelance web

development and design. I project my GPA to be about a 3.3 to 3.5 when I graduate. What do you

suggest I do to help pad my resume? Also, what can you tell us students the best way to write a

resume?

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[–] Say_what_you_see 1 point 4 days ago

FYI, this person is what we call a "High street" recruiter. Nothing wrong with that but the industry

has many levels. I only look about about 5-10 CVs a day. Recruiters will be behave very differently

from industry / level. Take this advice with a pinch of salt.

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All the advice that I've seen OP give in this thread has been spot on, in my experience. When

I'm screening applicants, I look for the exact things that OP has been talking about, and I am in

no way, shape, or form a high street recruiter.

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[–] No-Mr-No-Here 1 point 4 days ago

What is your take on "technical consulting" companies that say they will train you for 2-3 weeks and

then get you a job with one of their partners ?

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[–] aeiah 1 point 4 days ago

What the hell can my academic librarian girlfriend do with her MA in Digital Culture and

Technology?

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[–] twootenjths 1 point 4 days ago

Does prior military service help when applying for a civilian job?

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[–] spilledonwhite73 1 point 4 days ago

What is your opinion on higher education as far as the job market?

Necessary? Unnecessary? Not worth the money?

What about experience vs. education?

I am a working full-time community college student, wondering if moving on to my BA degree will

be worth it.

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[–] SHRECK_IS_LOVE 0 points 4 days ago

Did you know that onions have layer?

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[–] Killorcure 1 point 4 days ago

I am disabled and have not been able to work for the past five years. Now that I've finally obtained

medical coverage, I may be able to get treatment to get me working again. I've kept busy by taking

correspondence courses and doing odd-jobs by telecommute which include working as a copyeditor,

proofreader, and copywriter. I also have general office experience, retail experience, and conflict

mediation experience. That is in conjunction with dual bachelor's degrees and several publications,

both in fiction and scientific journals.

But I'm afraid my references are non-existent due to lack of contact with the outside world. And

then there's the gaping hole where my recent employment should be listed. What can I do to clean

up my resume and get back on my feet?

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[–] Not-a-trucker 1 point 4 days ago

out of all your applications what would you say is the percentage of people you actually hire.


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[–] CarbonChiral 1 point 4 days ago

I send out a lot of online application and never get a response back. Do you think i have a better

chance if i fill out a physical application?

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[–] ohsoclumsy 1 point 4 days ago

Many of us struggle with where to look for jobs. Can you suggest us a couple websites that may not

be the obvious?

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[–] misterchiu 1 point 4 days ago

I am a college student who goes to UT Austin. I am majoring in Economics. My gpa is nothing

impressive. I don't have a lot of work experience, and I don't have anything that really makes me

stand out.

I go to job fairs, and I'm figuratively run over by 4.0 GPA superheroes who seem to have everything

going for them.

The only thing I have going for me is that I know both Spanish and Mandarin exceptionally well. In

addition, I am very sociable, and try to milk this for all it's worth.

I am a very hard worker, and I actually do thing I am a pretty good leader. Unfortunately, everyone

says this. So it's actually meaningless. Anyone who goes to a decently good University is there for a

reason, we're there cause we're not as dumb as a box of rocks....

I know there isn't any magical secret, but tell me how to standout so I can at least try and compete.

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[–] 387245 1 point 4 days ago*

Network like a mofo and highlight your language skills on your resume/cover letter. You should

also find an internship in your field so you can start gaining actual work experience before you

graduate. Use your social skills to your advantage during your internship and with your

professors so they can give you leads on jobs and can provide a good reference for you. Austin is

super friendly and if you work hard for people and you are pleasant to work with, people will

really go the extra distance for you. Austin also has a ton of small businesses and start-ups that

are pretty receptive to hiring young people without a ton of experience. Do some research, and

let your social skills help you get a foot in the door.

Edit: Also, volunteer somewhere to have further work experience and contacts. I vaguely

remember reading about a community organized small-business consulting thing that helps

Austinites develop business plans. You might be useful there.

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[–] geehawgirl 1 point 4 days ago

I have been in the restaurant industry for about 30 years, it's how I have consistently made a

living. In the 90's I went to a very good art school, got a BFA, graduated in 1997, moved back to my

NYC hometown and got a job at a top architectural firm. Three years later, 9/11 happened, I was 2

blocks away that day and eventually allowed myself to be laid off because they wanted me to work

overtime and I couldn't stand to return to Wall Street every day and be in the war zone with the

dust and screaming in my ears. I went out to the west coast and was there for eight years - I

dropped architecture for a total of 10 years until I was finally able to leave CA and come back to

Chicago to do some post-graduate architectural work, I'm learning Autodesk's Revit now and plan to

enter the industry again with that because architectural model-building doesn't exist here in the US

anymore since China will make the models for a quarter of the price and that job no longer exists.

In restaurants, I have done high-level work since the 80's, my resume is filled with highly

recognizable names. The one architecture firm I used to work for is globally known. Getting back

into architecture, how should I explain myself? Is there such a thing as submitting two resumes to

show what I've done when not in architecture, and is mentioning having been present for 9/11 a

huge bummer to anyone reading it?

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[–] keve07 1 point 4 days ago

What industry do you recruit in? (Follow up questions to come

What section (professional experience, education, skills, etc) would you say are generally more

important? I understand that this depends on the position and stage in life, among other factors,

just want to hear your thoughts.

Thanks for the AMA!

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[–] coyne047 1 point 4 days ago

Is having Eagle Scout on your application actually helpful or does that get overlooked?

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[–] Tilas 1 point 4 days ago

As I've been an employment support worker for over 7 years, I too have seen countless resumes, so

I'm curious to know your opinion on a few things. 1- From your perspective, do you find the

"Objective" line unnecessary these days? I'm finding employers like it less and less and are calling it

"redundant". 2- Is there a particular format you prefer to see (chronological, skill set, etc)? While I

find chrono is most common, skill based seems to flow better with people who have maintained a job

in the same field for any length of time. 3- And most important, how long should a resume be in

your opinion? We usually try to keep them within 1-2 pages, and only go to 3 if it's a person with a

large amount or certifications/education/"higher class" positions. Thanks!

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[–] credy 1 point 4 days ago*

RE: Resume length. I understand the golden rule is one page. However, between my military

experience (4 years in public affairs doing everything from photography to press conferences and

base tours), civilian experience (both armed and unarmed security at 4 different companies, 2 of

which were simultaneous and a slew of internships in a related field but different agencies and

finally a stint as a nightlife photographer) and education (a BA and MA in addition to intensive

language studies in two languages at foreign schools in my region of focus) it all stacks up.

The thing is, every bit of what I have done is relevant to my dream job as a diplomat. However, my

confidence in getting that job is waning and I really want to start my career ASAP. Problem is, if I

leave out any of these jobs it leaves a conspicuous gap in my resume. I also feel that I'm selling

myself short and afraid of leaving out something that would click with a certain employer. How can I

consolidate this information to make a resume easier to swallow? Is it a no-no to lump similar work

with competing companies or different time periods in the same bullet point?

Also, what is the deal with letters of recommendation? I have many, should these be attached to the

same email? Are they really expected to be custom tailored to the position (I can't stand this trend

in the federal government, don't those fucks realize how many other positions we have to apply to

while you wait months before you make an initial response?)

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[–] Potato_Muncher 1 point 4 days ago

Im a veteran and have applied to multiple places in town (Lowes, Gamestop, pawn shops, retailers,

etc) and have never gotten a call back. On my resume, I have listed "cited for bravery and

performing medical duties while under fire." I've been hearing lately that some employers tend to

stay away from veterans due to their fear of PTSD. Is this something you come across daily?

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[–] choixpeau 2 points 4 days ago

Last time I was in the job market, I kept running into prospective employers who were reluctant to

hire me because I have a degree that the job does not require. I have a degree in the field where

my greatest talents lie, but where there are few job opportunities, so I was also applying for jobs

doing tech support (which I'd done for a living for several years.) Whenever I was interviewed for

tech support jobs, they always seemed really negative about the fact that I have a degree when the

job doesn't require one. The whole experience has made me very wary about pursuing further

education, because I can't un-get a degree, and if a B.A. was this bad for my employability, an M.A.

would be even worse.


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Do you have any insight into how to assuage whatever their concerns were that were making them

wary of hiring a university graduate?

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[–] SkintCrayon 1 point 3 days ago

I want to work in recruitment but every job opening requires recruitment experience. My experience

is in HR (in payroll) but they want specific experience. What can I do?

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[–] taytermuffin 1 point 3 days ago

Do you have any tips on how to answer a question about why you left your previous job if

the reason was that it was a hostile work environment and you were harrassed? I've tried

covering up and saying I left because I wanted to switch industries but the industry I was in

is the only industry that I have experience with.

can a recruiter or company tell that you've been on unemployment?

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[–] grammarpolice13 1 point 2 days ago

I'm about to graduate college and due to moving during high school, do not have any previous

employment history. What should I put on my resume besides multiple academic achievement

awards, clubs I am president of, and my volunteer work in emergency communications that will

ensure my employment? I am a creative writing major. I'm looking for just about anything available

related to the field, from technical writing to editing. I have had experience with editing for literary

magazines, but only on campus.

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[–] holyshityouguys 1 point 1 day ago

I had a terrific phone interview with a hiring manager across the country. She said she had seen my

work before and was a fan, that she hoped I'd take the job, wanted to fly me out for an in-person

immediately, etc. She said she'd be in touch - I had no way of following up directly as the HR person

never game the hiring manager's contact info.

She is starting a new team from scratch and started brainstorming about tweaking the position to

suit my strengths and forge further in my areas of expertise, and letting the more... traditional

(easy? boring?) work go to a new junior position. I think that screwed me, because a few days later

the HR person called me with some generic one-liners "unfortunately there isn't a fit at the

moment" and "as the team grows, we will keep you in mind."

The thing is, I kind of think that last line is sincere. This hiring manager was hiring the first

employee of a new team, she started tweaking the job description and maybe she got shot down in

doing so. Maybe there really is a chance to revisit in a few months.

The same day HR got back to me, I got laid off at my current job. So now I have nothing.

The question is, how do I keep in touch? We had good chemistry and conversation. Would it be

weird to find her on LinekdIn and connect and say something like I enjoyed our chat and I wanted

to keep in touch as you continue to grow your team, etc? Maybe even let her know I'm moving on

from my current position?

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[–] Jessica_Iowa 2 points 5 days ago

Prove me right: hubby says you need to do a follow up call after applying for a job. I say he is nuts,

I don't really think you should call at all.

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Recruiters are like woman, the same action can get vastly different results. Some recruiters will

appreciate this and think it shows initiative and that you are serious/interested. Others will get

frustrated that you are interrupting them and think it shows desperation. I personally prefer an

email and find it to be a happy medium. I will say that nothing is more annoying than a

candidate that repeatedly calls you and I have rejected otherwise solid applicants for this reason


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(if they are this high maintenance now, imagine what it will be like later on).

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[–] HMJ87 17 points 5 days ago

At the same time it's frustrating to be told "I'll call you back by the end of the week either

way and let you know", the next week rolls around, still nothing. Call the recruiter and they

say the same again. It works both ways, if recruiters didn't fuck around job-seekers so much

then job seekers wouldn't feel the need to keep calling for more info.

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Actually, if you don't get a call back, it shows you where you rank on that recruiter's list

of important things.

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[–] HMJ87 1 point 4 days ago

That's exactly my point, you get a steady stream of bullshit from recruiters, if you're

not high on their list of priorities then I'd rather know that than getting some crappy

excuse every time.

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[–] PancakeConspiracies 1 point 5 days ago*

24 years old. Bachelors in biomedical science and psychology, (close to a) MA in cognitive psych.

Ton of experience in statistics and managing small groups. Metro Detroit area.

I dare you to try and recruit me. Double dog dare.

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Alas you are out of my jurisdiction but I enjoy the moxie.

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[–] PancakeConspiracies 0 points 5 days ago

What's you're jurisdiction? I have a couple boxes of books and a playstation.

I can be to work by Monday. Anywhere.

Just kidding, sort of.

On a serious note. As I've been told to stay away from monster, Craigslist, etc. how do I find

companies that exist which have positions (not even necessarily open positions) that I'd be

interested in?

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The West Coast. Read any good books lately? I'm about to finish my current selection.

It sounds like you have a lot of great experience, my guess is that you don't know

exactly what you want to do but would be able to identify it if it was in front of you. I'd

say to look around online at websites of companies in the industries you are interested

in. Many companies have a section on their website dedicated to job seekers. Usually

there will be a list of open jobs with descriptions and a way to apply. Additionally there

will be a general forum for you to submit your resume/CV and someone will contact you

if there might be a fit.

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[–] PancakeConspiracies 1 point 5 days ago

What genre? I've been going back to a lot of classics (Faulkner, Steinbeck,

Dostoevsky), but before I was reading some John Updike which I absolutely

recommend, and also Michael Chabon and Gary Shteyngart. And Jonathan Safran

Foer. Read anything by any of these people.

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Thanks! I will look into their works.

I like to jump around. I recently crossed a few off my list of 100 classics to read

in my lifetime. Currently on Liar's Poker by Michael Lewis (about Wall Street).

Thinking of something on the Supreme Court next.

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That's exactly what I was doing for a time. I have been looking for some good

casual business type books. Maybe I will check Liar's Poker out. I'm currently

studying for the CFA exam to hopefully at least get a basic understanding of

different business concepts since I did not cover them as an undergrad.

Hopefully I can find my way into managerial accounting someday. Dreams.

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I definitely recommend it! Good luck with your exams - I took a

managerial accounting course once and dreaded every minute of it. Not

even any beautiful woman to distract me...

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Thanks!

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[–] txgi355 -3 points 5 days ago

can you get me a job

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That would depend on where you live and your skill-set, but regardless of that I can help answer

your questions so you can help yourself get the job that you want.

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[–] Cannibalzz 2 points 4 days ago

Let's be honest: regardless of where he lives, you're not going to give this guy a job.

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