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Page 1: Gróf Andrea Karinthy Frigyes Gimnázium, Budapestparrise.elte.hu/tpi-15/slides/Grof_Andrea.pdfKarinthy Frigyes Gimnázium, Budapest Description of motions PHYSICS •Choice of reference

Gróf Andrea

Karinthy Frigyes Gimnázium, Budapest

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Description of motions

PHYSICS

•Choice of referenceframe emphasized.•But inertial frames usedexclusively.•Students corrected byteacher if they talk aboutcentrifugal force.

GEOGRAPHY

•Idea of reference frame not addressed.•"Natural" reference frame is non-inertial.•Explanations refer tocentrifugaland Coriolis forces.

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1. Survey on the understanding of

the physics behind geography

2. A possible introduction to inertial

forces:

merry-go-round example treated

quantitatively

3. Applications in physics and

geography

!

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1. Survey on the physics (mechanics) behind

geography

MCQ questions on timekeeping, the shape of the Earth,

motions of air and the seas, tides, etc.

215 students (16 and 17-year olds)

Background: 1 year of physical geography

and 1 year of physics

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A.Fcentrifugal << Fcentripetal for fast rotations 11%

B. Fcentrifugal only exists for astronomical sizes 10%

C. Observer does/does not rotate along 17%

D.Fcentrifugal always present, therefore not felt 49%

(no answer 13%)

Questions involving inertial forces

Q

A

Geography: oblate Earth explained in terms of the

centrifugal force.

Physics problems on rotating objects: such forces not

considered.

What is the difference?

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N

?Q

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S

??

Q

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A.South clockwise, north counterclockwise 56%

B. North clockwise, south counterclockwise 21%

C. Same sense 8%

D.Anything may happen 10%

(no answer 5%)

A

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4llVfoDuVlw

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s

m14.3

3

5.122

T

rv

2

2

2

s

m58.6 r

r

va

N13268.520 maF

A

B

2. Describing motions on a playground

roundabout

The motion of A as seen by B:

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s

m64.35.014.3

N177.084.802.0merrynet

maFF

2

22

s

m84.8

5.1

64.3)(

r

uva

Tangential motion as described by the inertial observer B

For rotating observer A:

,s

m17.0

5.1

5.0

2

22

r

ua

0.177NN003.017.002.0net

maF

What other force is there?

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FcfFcoriolis

Fmerry= 0.177N

N003.0net

F N132.0cfF

N 042.0

132.0177.0003.0

N177.0merry

F

(inwards)

(inwards)

(outwards)

needed:

(outwards)

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r

uvmmaFF

2

merrynet

)(

r

mu

r

mvu

r

mv22

2

r

mvu

r

mvF

r

mu 22

merry

2

0.003 N = 0.177 N – 0.132 N – 0.042 N.

umur

vm

r

mvu 22

2

N042.05.1

5.014.302.02

maFnet

For B

For A

Algebraically:

Fcf

Fcoriolis

Fmerry= 0.177N

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For B

a = 0

A

B

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ω

The same motion as seen by A:

Radial speed constant

Tangential speed

increasest

rv

t t

trs

trta 2

)(2

1

vt

ra

22

t

t

t

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Latitude of Budapest: φ = 47.5º

(a) Magnitude and direction of

the centrifugal acceleration

in Budapest.

(b) Magnitude and direction of the

acceleration of free fall in Budapest?

mgFgrav

Ω

Fcf

(local) verticalWhich way is "down"?

Sports events?

(a) Gravitational, centrifugal acceleration and free

fall acceleration at the Equator?

(b) Athlete can jump to 8 metres at the poles. How

far can he jump on the Equator?

3. Applications: Inertial forces

on the rotating Earth

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Coriolis force at the Equator

Air moving at u = 20 m/s towards the west.

Magnitude of acceleration towards the centre of the Earth?

(a) according to an inertial observer?

(b) according to an Earth-based observer?

(c) What is the magnitude and direction of the Coriolis

acceleration?

6

2652

1038.6

20)1038.6)(1029.7()(

R

uRa

2m/s 0369.0

25

6

22

m/s 1027.61038.6

20

R

ua

down)y (verticallm/s 1092.220)1029.7(22235

uaC

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PPA

2π·sinφ

Coriolis force elsewhereFoucault pendulum, Paris: φ = 48.8°

What is the local angular speed?

sin

vaC

sin2

φ

φ

A

P

Paris

http://enggar.net/page/12/?s/

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3.11rad197.036001049.55

t

In Paris: φ = 48.8°

One period of the Panthéon pendulum is 16.4 sec.

(a) How much does it turn in an hour?

(b) Displacement between two successive swings

on a circle of radius 3 m?

rad1001.94.161049.545

t

mm7.231001.94

rt

s/1049.58.48sin1029.7sin55

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r = 2 cm, v = 10 cm/s

(a) Find the acceleration towards

the centre.

(b) What is the contribution of the

Coriolis force to this?

2

22

m/s 5.002.0

1.0

r

va

sin2 vaC

255m/s1015.47sin)103.7(1.02

Is the Coriolis force important?

No

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Find (a) radius of spot

1° corresponds to

≈ 9° means r ≈ 1.1·107 m

(b) acceleration of gas

(c) Coriolis acceleration

m102.1360

104.1

360

2 68

R

Jupiter: T = 9.8 hours,

R = 71 900 km (equatorial)

Great Red Spot φ = 22° (S),

wind v ≈ 100 m/s

2

4

s

m109

a

2

4

Cs

m103.1

a Ye

s

www.celestiamotherlode.net/catalog/jupiter.php

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http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/06/18/national/shinkansen-tops-list-100-innovative-postwar-technologies/#.Va84VPkmHpE

Shinkansen train v = 200 km/h

Tokyo to Osaka, both N55°

35sin103.76.3

2002sin2

5va

C

g0005.0s

m0047.0

2

No

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Golfer in Scotland (N55°)

can hit the ball to 300 m at 45° angle.

What is the deviation of the ball

owing to the Coriolis force?

g

vt

sin20

g

v

g

vv

cossin2sin2cos

2

000

m3008.98.9

2

1

2

12 2

0

2

0

v

v

,s

m548.9300

0v st 7.8

8.9

45sin542

cossin2 0C va

2

5

s

m0046.045cos5455sin103.72

cm177.80046.02

1

2

1 22

C tad No

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Artillery missile, N50°,

v0 = 700 m/s towards the East, at 45° angle.

Deviation owing to the Coriolis force?

g

v

g

vv

cossin2sin2cosRange

2

00

0km50

8.9

2

1

2

17002

2

2

00

2

C

sin2)cossin2(

2

1

2

1

g

vvtad

cossin

sin4 23

02v

g

m28045cos45sin7008.9

50sin103.74 23

2

5

Ye

s

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Frictionless and horizontal ice rink, 30 m wide,

Puck given an initial velocity.

Coriolis force only: circular motion

Find:

(a) speed needed in Budapest (N47.5°)

Note:

(b) What is the radius if the speed is 1 m/s?

At 10° latitude? At 80°?

vr

v sin2

2

local2sin2

r

v

s

mm61.0155.47sin103.72sin2

5

rv

km) 7.0 km, (39 km3.95.47sin103.72

1

sin25

vr

An interesting kind of motion

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Buoy in the Baltic Sea,

SE of Stockholm, N57°

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Design a space station:

• Cylindrical shape

• Artificial gravity is provided

by centrifugal force owing to

spinning about the axis.

• Coriolis force on crew walking

at 1 m/s is no greater than

0.05mg .

gr 2

2s

m1005.0

s

m12

s

125.0

m16025.0

10

22

gr

http://www.astronautix.com/craft/span1984.htm

Both forces to consider

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References

Anders O. Persson The Coriolis Effect: Four centuries of conflict between common sense and mathematics, History of Meteorology 2 (2005)

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THE END

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