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Page 1: Geneva, 4-5 March 2009 Standards for safe interoperable and economic products Cyriacus Bleijs

Geneva, 4-5 March 2009

Standards Standards for safe for safe

interoperable interoperable and economic and economic

productsproducts Cyriacus Bleijs

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The Fully Networked Car Geneva, 3-4 March 2010

2The electric vehicle is at the cross roads of different industries. It is part of a system

Connective InterfacesIEC 62196(SC23h)

Fixed installationsIEC 60364

EV electrical aspects(if not charging)ISO TS22/SC21

Data transfer JWG IEC/ISO V2G

Battery cells IEC SC21ABattery assemblyISO TC22/SC21

SAE does parallel work

Charging interfaceIEC 61851

(TC69)

Telecom

ITU

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The Fully Networked Car Geneva, 3-4 March 2010

3This in not today’s subject but is a good example

There is still no real agreement on the plugThe EU will probably force a European decision

SAE plugNice!

But not for EuropePity !

Two main contenders

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Standardizing :

EV to Grid communication Roaming

Independant work is also being done by SAE and no real agreement for coopperation is yet acheived

(not to talk of China ….)

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The Fully Networked Car Geneva, 3-4 March 2010

53- Communication is of utmost importance

Source: ERF R&D, novembre 2009

2025

2020

2015

Estiomation of expected impact of VE/VHR 2015, 2020, 2025

Global consumption is acceptable butLocal impact must be solved

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The Fully Networked Car Geneva, 3-4 March 2010

6In the future we wish to orientate the client to chose the optimum charging time

Pleasedon’t charge

here

Charge here

Cost

Mid winter example

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The Fully Networked Car Geneva, 3-4 March 2010

7The battle of harware / protocol standardsSome decisions are premature

Clearing house

Home plug GPCenelec B FSK

Maxim G3Hg.n

HD PLC…….

Home plug AVCenelec B FSK

ZigbeeHg.n

HD PLC…….

Cenelec A FSKCenelec A G3

Prime…….

DLMS COSEMSLM

Smart energy

GSM3G

WiFiZigbee…….

?Which

chanel to use Billing

Load controlDiagnosics

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Recommendation

o Review : ISO IEC agreemento Establish : stand still with other SDO’so Call for a joint governing body of ISO and

OEC on the strategic levelo ballanced membership with more active

members: Utilities , OEM’s, consumers, gov, standardizers

Today things work – but only because the experts do what they can to make it work but there are regional difficulties

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New architecture

o Balanced representation of stakeholderso Generalisation of WEB meetingso Discussion forumso International organizations meetings: SAE + ISO , etc +IP agreementso Joint TC ISO/IEC for all EV work

IEC TC 69 + ISO TC 22 SC 21 + ISO TC 22 SC 3

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Geneva, 4-5 March 2009

Thank youThank you

Annex : some standardization activities

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The Fully Networked Car Geneva, 3-4 March 2010

11Work of the joint IEC / ISO WG V2G C1

Information exchange between the vehicle and charge spot

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Main activities

CONFIDENTIAL © 2009 Better Place 12

Committee Standard

Topic update

SAE Hybrid Vehicle Task Force

J1772 Definition of charging connector

Ready mid January 2010, applies only to

US distribution system

SAE Hybrid Vehicle Task Force

J2836 Communication protocol vehicle/grid

?

IEC TC69 61851 Charging systems Ready as FDIS by Feb 2010 consensus

obtained

IEC SC23H 62196 Physical connectors 3 options ,ready as CD for 3[?] months vote

IEC TC22/SC21a PT Li-P Lithium Ion cells CDV stage

IEC TC64 50364-7-760

Electrical installations Sent for approval as a NWIP

Contradiction with TC69 ?

ISO TC22/SC21 2086 Lithium ion batteries Beginning

ISO TC22/SC21 6469 Electric security on EV’s

done

ISO/IEC

TC22/SC3 JWG V2G C1 Communication protocol vehicle/grid

On going no coherence with SAE