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FYI - No North Entry at Marge's

byMarge's Lakeside Innon Wednesday, September 1, 2010 at 4:09pm

FYI....due to the continuous struggle with boaters/Jet Ski and trespassing issues our

neighborhood has encountered, we have a No North (rear) Entry policy in place at this time. It'sall private beach so walking around or cutting through ARE NOT options either. If you cut

through a neighbors property (trespass), you won't be able to come in the front either. Justwanted to get the word out before you are disappointed when you can't get in from the water.

Very sorry to all the good people that this will affect, but isn't it always the few idiots who ruin it

for the rest in almost everything?

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oKathleen FloodThat SUCKS!!

September 1, 2010 at 4:31pm Like

oDenise RufJust follow the rules. Is it really that freakin hard?


oLauren GoetzThat does suck. We were going to stop by tonight on the jet ski.


oReggie HendersonI'm surprised you can own Lake Ontario. I thought there was

some amount of beach from water's edge that was public for the whole lake. But...
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it seems that if you buy beachfront property, you not only own the beach, but

even the water, that's why they can't put windmills out there.


oJoanie Goldstein KelleyUnfortunately it only takes a few to break the rules and

that effects everyone else! Of course we've never broken any rules!!!


oMarge's Lakeside InnReggie, nobody is claiming to own Lake Ontario. Theissues stem primarily from the disrespectful attitudes that seem to be so prevalent

these days.

September 1, 2010 at 7:10pmviamobile Like 3

oLorraine Parzuskithe state owns the water no one can own the water that is afallacy. look it up.


oLorraine ParzuskiSome jurisdictions permit residents to access a public lake or

beach by crossing adjacent private property. Similarly, there may be a private

easement to cross a private lake to reach a remote private property, or aneasement to cross private property during high tide to reach remote beachproperty on foot. this is under ny state easement law. somebody needs to do some

research.

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oLorraine Parzuskiwe do this on beach ave in charlotte we live across the street

but are allowed to cross to go to the beach on private property.


oKara Nicol LohrmannThat sucks!! I can't get there by boat..Why is it that people

can't follow the rules..they ruin it for everybody..


oDebra BrennanAnd just when I was gonna buy a boat! LOL

September 2, 2010 at 7:20am Like

oHal Heindel

Lorraine, I did look it up, a long time ago when we bought one of the beach frontproperties a few houses down from Marge's. And you're right, in the case of the

13 original states, the State does own the land under the water (though not the

water itself) but only beyond the "ordinary low water mark."

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court defined this as the "ordinary low water mark,

unaffected by drought; that is, the height of the water at ordinary stages." Appeal

of York Haven Water & Power Co., 212 Pa. 622, 62 A.97 (1905).

In the case of the original 13 states, upon ratification of the United States

Constitution, title to these lands did not change, it remained vested in the several

states.

Now, if we own the land under the water up to the ordinary low water mark,

wouldn't it stand to reason that we own the beach leading up to it?
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September 2, 2010 at 8:03am Like 2

oMary- Cookie- Scalise BalmeI'm bummed!!!! This was my favorite thing to do in

the summer!!

September 2, 2010 at 8:06am Like

oKelly DarcangeloSorry Reggie, but when I pay GOOD money to live on thebeach I dont want drunk a**holes tresspassing through my yard, breaking my

stuff, peeing on my beach, letting their dogs run wild, crapping all over the place,cheesy girls playing loud music dancing on top of the boats with no clothes on,

picnicing on MY FURNITURE....Can I come to YOUR bsckyard and do that???Durand beach is right down the lake and it is PUBLIC..


oMichael McClusky

Okay I have to put my two cents in here and I'm sure some will not like...I'm a

boater and and have lived on the water in many places...and the same stuff

happened....and yes many disrespect the land ownership or just plainly don't knowtha...See More


oO.j. Teabag SotirGuess me and my friends will have to spend our money at the

Bayside & Castaways then.... and just drink on the boat right infront of Marges !

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oHal HeindelThat's the spirit, O.J., that's the attitude we've all come to love and

respect. And you wonder why Marge's did what they had to!


oHal Heindel

Good points, Michael. I can't speak for other property owners near Marge's, but Ithink most of the residents here love this living landmark, and I personally don't

mind the extra noise and commotion and even the boaters, if they use a littlecommon sense.

Like, don't use the f..k and N words within earshot of six-year olds, don't turn the

rap music up loud enough to be heard in Cleveland, and don't bring your dogs on

our beach, least not without a bag and scooper. And if you're going to take yourclothes off and dance around naked, give me fair warning so I can get the camera

and the binoculars.

As for the walkers, that does present a problem in our litigous society. Whensomebody falls down drunk on our supposedly "public" beach and breaks an

ankle, guess who gets sued? The people with the house on it. Nobody looks toNew York State for a little extra cash. Suddenly, it's become our beach! And thecourts happily say it is.

That's not a what- if, it actually happened.


oGeorge BabcockLook up Riparian Rights. Shore line property owners can onlyown to the high water mark and there must be access for all other residents. All

waterways in NY state are owned by the state. And their jurisdiction applies.

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oHal Heindel

Can you cite a case file where shore line property owners can only own to the

high water mark and not the average or "ordinary" low water mark, George?

Given that people are beginning to be issued citations for tresspassing, this mightbe of interest if you can back it up.

Just so we're on the same page, the Riparian Rights Principle has its origins in

English common law and exists in many countries with a common law heritage,such as Canada, Australia, and states in the eastern United States.

Under this common law principle, all landowners whose property is adjoining a

body of water have the right to make reasonable use of it. Riparian Rights includesuch things as the landowner's right to access for swimming, boating and fishing;

the landowner's right to wharf out to a point of navigability; and the landowner's

right to erect structures such as docks, piers, and boat lifts (in conformance withFederal and local statutes).

Do Riparian Rights allow waterway travellers to enter private land? Yes, but only

for purposes incidental to navigation (such as portaging a canoe around a

blocked riverbed or seeking temporary refuge from a passing storm), and then

only when absolutely necessary. Apart from such absolutely necessary uses,

waterway travelers have no right to beach their vessel or to walk on, or enter,private land in any way. Riparian Rights or not, that's still tresspassing.

I would hardly consider taking your dog for a leak on our private beach absolutelynecessary. Granted, a very large dog on a very small boat might present

extenuating circumstances.

FYI, there is no State statutory law that embodies and describes the public right ofnavigation. A bill to enact such a law was introduced in the New York State

Legislature in 1989. It passed in the Assembly in 1990 and was re-introduced in

the Senate and the Assembly in 1991, but was not enacted into law and has notbeen re-introduced since the Court of Appeals issued its landmark decision in

1998 on the Moose River case.

And, yes, please do look it up!

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Marge's Lakeside Inn

The property owners rights and laws are truly hard to interpret. Hal...you are

doing a fabulous job in your research and I thank you for taking the time to help

out the area with this information! I'd just like to add that most of the dis...See

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oMatthew Snoozer Langworthy

I did some research and discovered the following information at:

http://www.protectadks.org/data/images/stories/pdf_documents/public_navigation

_rights.pdfandhttp://www.nyswaterfronts.com/waterfront_public_trust.asp

If I'm reading the websites correctly, it's OK to pass through private property for

the purposes of getting to a stream or lake to put a canoe in the water... buthanging out on private waterfront property or even just taking a leisurely stroll

through it is forbidden.

I lived on Lake Bluff Road for about a year and I sympathize with thehomeowners who live on the lakefront. Unfortunately, the problem with the

trespassers is a classic case of the selfish few who ruin something good for

everyone else.

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