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DaveAsprey: Recently,Idiscoveredoneofnature'smiraclefoodswalkingaroundattheBulletproofConferenceinPasadena.That'swhereImetWalidtheownerofDesertFarms,acompanythatsellsorganiccamelmilkacrosstheUnitedStates.WetalkedaboutcamelmilkandIlearnedsomethingsaboutcamelmilkthatI'dreadaboutbuthadn'treallyfocusedon.

Ithasabunchofimmuneactivemoleculesthatyoudon'tgetfromnormalmilk.Ithasabunchofbeneficialbacteria,differentthanyouwouldgetfromcowmilk.It'sfulloflactoferrinwhichisanaturalsubstance.Ithasantibacterial,antiviral,anti-parasitic,andanticancerpropertieseven.Itcontainsbio-identicalIGF-1whichisinsulin-likegrowthfactorwhichistheonlynaturalhormonethatpromotesmusclegrowthandusesfatstoresinsteadofglucose.It'scompatiblewiththingslikeketosebrainoctane.Itdoesn'thavelactoglobulinwhichissomethingthatmesseswithyouifyou'relactoseintolerant.

CamelmilkfromDesertFarmsisorganic,paleoapproved,itworksforketo,it'sGMO-free,pasture-raised.Basically,meetsalltherequirementsfortheBulletproofdietwithoutalltheinflammationthatcancomefromcowmilkprotein.

Headonovertodesertfarms.comandget20%offanythingonthewebsiteusingpromocodeBulletproof20atcheckout.Again,that'sdesertfarms.compromocodeBulletproof20.Totallyworthyourtimetogivethisashot.

RonHunninghake: BulletproofRadio,astationofhighperformance.

DaveAsprey: You'relisteningtoBulletproofRadiowithDaveAsprey.Today'scoolfactofthedayisthatsince2500yearsagoHippocratesknewthatfoodismedicinebutitwasn'tuntilmaybethe18thcenturywhenFrenchchemistAntoine-LaurentdeLavoisierlaterknownasfatherofmodernchemistryprovidedthescientificfoundationforthestudyofhowthebodymetabolizesfoodtocreateenergy.

Unfortunately,asyou'llfind,therearelotsofthesepeoplewhobreaktherulesinmedicineandreally,peopledisruptanyindustryandgetthispressure.Unfortunately,whathappenedtohimisthathewasbrandedatraitorforhelpingforeignscientistsholdontotheirfreedomduringthereignofterror.Hewasconvictedandthejudgesaid,thisisatruefactalthoughhesaiditinFrench,hesaid,"Therepublichasnoneedofscientistsorchemists."HewasintroducedtoaformofbiohackingtechnologythatIdonotsupportnamedafterMadamGuillotine.

Inotherwords,hewasachemist,hefiguredoutnewstuffsotheycuthisheadoff.Thissometimeshappenstopeoplewhoareinnovatorsbutnotintheworldweliveintodaybecausetheworldweliveintodaypeoplewhoinnovateandgetresultsactuallygettotalkaboutit.Thankstothemiracleoftheinternetandshowslikethis.Innovatorsarenowconnectingwithotherinnovators.

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InthecaseofLavoisier,hiscolleagueslamentedthelossbysayingittookthemonlyaninstanttocutoffhisheadandahundredyearsmightnotsufficetoreproduceitslike.Ifyou'rearegularlisteneryou'veheardmesharemylistoftop10biohacks.Let'stalkaboutnumberninefunhacksfortheBulletproofmind.

Itmaysoundweirdbuthangingupsidedownisagreatwaytohackyourbrain.Regularly,invertingtrainsyourbraincapillariesmakingthemstrongerandmorecapabletobringoxygentoyourbrain.It'sprettystraightforward.Moreoxygeninthebrainmeansbetterperformance.IgetmydailystretchandmydoseofoxygenwithmyTeeterinversiontablewhichissoessentialforoptimumfocus,concentration,andmentalenergy.

Thatfullbodystretchelongatesthespineandtakesthepressureoffthediscssotheycanplumpbackup.Lesspressuremeanslesspain.Ifyouhavebackpain,evenifyou'vebeenluckyenoughtoavoiditsofar,youreallywantaTeetertoinverteverydaytokeepyourbackandjointsfeelinggreat.Forover35yearsTeeterhassetthestandardforqualityinversionequipmentyoucantrust.

MyfriendsoveratTeeterhavedecidedtoshowsomelovetoBulletprooflisteners.ForalimitedtimeyoucangettheTeeterinversiontablewiththebonusaccessoriesandafreepairofgravitybootssoyoucaninvertathomeortakethebootswithyoutothegym.Togetthisdeal,whichisasavingsofover138bucks,gotogetteeter.com/bulletproof.You'llalsogetfreeshippingandasucceedingmoneybackguaranteeandfreereturnssothere'sabsolutelynoriskforyoutotryitout.

Rememberyoucanonlygettheteeterwithbonusaccessoriesandafreepairofgravitybootsbygoingtogetteeter.com/bulletproof,G-E-T-T-E-E-T-E-Rdotcom/bulletproof.Checkitout.

Today'sguestisnoneotherthanRonHunninghake.He'sthechiefmedicalofficerattheRiordanClinic.In2011,hewasnamedtheorthomoleculardoctoroftheyearbytheInternationalSocietyforOrthomolecularMedicine.In2013,hewasinductedintotheirhalloffame.Hespenthisentirecareerdoingself-careandencouragingpatientstobeinchargeofthemselvesinsteadoftheirdoctors.He'soneoftheworldleadersinIVvitaminCtherapyforcancer.Heispersonallysupervised60,000vitaminCIVadministrations.

Ifyou'vebeenalong-timelisteneryouknowI'veusedIVvitaminCextensivelywhenIhadfibromyalgia,chronicfatigue,Lymedisease,probablyallprecipitatedbyanenvironmentaltoxicmoldexposure,andhighmercurylevelsandarthritissinceIwas14.AlltheothercrapthatI'vebeenthroughthatI'mnotdealingwithrightnow,vitaminCwasabigpartofthis.

Ifyoudon'tknowthewordorthomolecular,thisisawordthatbasicallytiestogethernutritionandvitaminsandhealthfrommedicalperspective.Thisisone


ofthewordsthatcameaboutbeforeanti-agingorfunctionalmedicine.It'stherootofsomeofthosewaysofthinking.Theanti-agingresearchgroupthatI'verunforalmost15yearsinSiliconValleyhasbeentalkingwithorthomolecularpractitionersforalongtime.Thisismanydifferentmedicalpathsemergedfromthislineofthinking.

Dr.RonHunninghake,welcometotheshow.It'sreallyanhonortohaveyouon.

RonHunninghake: Thankyou,Dave.Thankyousomuch.

DaveAsprey: Didyoulikemydescriptionoforthomolecularmedicinethere?Youmighthaveabetterdefinition.

RonHunninghake: I'msopleasedbecausemostpeopleforgetthatthatwasthemothershipformuchofwhatwecallnutritionalmedicinethesedays.Dr.AbramHofferwasagoodfriendofDr.Riordan,myboss,andHofferwasthefatherofmolecularpsychiatry.Mostoftheearlyworkinnutritionwasdonebypsychiatristsoutoftheconcernforlookingfortherootcausesofmentalillness.Aswepursuedthatthenwecametounderstandthatmostchronicillnesseswererelatedtonutritionalfactorsthathavegoneawry.

ThenwealsofoundoutthatjustgivingRDAdosesofkeynutrientswasnotenoughinpeoplewhowerechronicallyillortheeffectsoftheenvironmentaltoxicityepidemicthat'snowgoingon.

WeusehighdosesofvitaminCasadetoxifieralongwithwe'reverybigonvitaminDandmagnesiumandlately,I'vebeenunderstandingfrommygoodfriendDr.Brownsteiniodineismoreofthemolecularnutrients.Therearesomeofthesekeynutrientsthatunlessyougettherightdoseyoudon'tgettheeffectthatyouneedinordertogetwellinanutshell.

DaveAsprey: AlongtimeagowhenIwaslivinginahousethathadwaterdamageinthebedroomunbeknownsttomeandhadStachybotrysgrowinginitmostlikely.IwashavingallkindsofproblemsandIwenttomywesterndoctor,thePaloAltoMedicalFoundation.Isaid,"IfeellikeI'vebeenpoisoned.Idon'tknowwhat'swrongbutmybrainisnotworking.Iputon30poundsinthelasttwomonths."Ididn'tcorrelatemyenvironmentwiththat.Ihadallkindsofpainandbrainfog.

TheonethingthatseemstohelpisvitaminC.Helookedatmeandsaid,"Howmuchareyoutaking?"Isaid,"Itakethreegramsaday."Helooksatmeandsaid,"Youhavetostop,itcouldkillyou."IlookedathimandIsaid,"WhataboutLinusPaulingwhoIguessyoucouldfairlysayisoneofthefathersoforthomolecularmedicine?"

RonHunninghake: Yeah.


DaveAsprey: Paulingtook90gramsadayformuchofhislifeandwonacoupleNobelPrizesalongtheway.Thedoctorsaid,"Linuswho?"IlookedathimandIsaid,"You'refired."Iwalkedoutofhisoffice.Ididn'tknownearlyasmuchasIknowaboutbiohacking.IjustknowIfoundsomethingthatworkedanditwasclearlysafebyanydefinitionofsafe.HereisaphysicianwithawhitelabcoatandMDandetcetera,etcetera,atawell-respectedplacefeedingmefranklyBS.

WhythedividebetweenwesternmedicineandsomethingassimpleasvitaminC?Whathappened?Whyistherestillthisdivisiveness?

RonHunninghake: Well,medicaldoctorstravelinherdsandthere'sapacksafetyillusionthatexistsinmedicinethatifwejustallfollowthecrowdeveryone'sgoingtobeokayanditwillbethewaywedothings.It'slikelet'ssticktogether.Thewordvitaminitselfispartoftheproblembecausevitaminimpliesasmallamountofsomethinginordertoachievearecommendeddailyallowanceinordertopreventscurvyorsomediseasewhichwenowknowthat'sscurvydoesnotexistinisolation,thatyoureallycan'tgetscurvyunlessyou'vegotmultiplenutrientsdeficient.VitaminCjusthappenstobeoneofthekeyones.

Therehasbeeninmedicineakindofkickthedogattituderegardinganyonepracticingnutritionalmedicine.Amatteroffactanyonewhoprescribesvitaminswastobeconsideredaquack.It'sonlybecausethey'veneverreadtheresearch.IftheywouldtaketimetolookattheextensiveamountofresearchthatexistaroundvitaminCandlookatsomeofthenewunderstandingsthatwehavethatthereareactuallyquantumbenefitsathigherlevels,thenutrientworksinadifferentwayathigherlevelslike,forexample,givingitintravenouslyyougetcompletelydifferenteffectsthanyoudogivingitinsmalldosesinfood.

Now,westillneeditinsmalldosesinfoodbutit'swhenwegivehighdoses,eitherliposomallyorintravenouslythatwecanseepro-oxidanteffectsofIVvitaminC.Thenofcoursethatscaresthemtoobecausethey'resayingnow,it'sapro-oxidantsothat'sevenworse.Actually,it'stheproperuseofthesenutrients,thecorrectdosefortherightconditionandtherightperson.Thisiswherethewordorthomolecularreallycomesfromisit'sacorrectutilizationofthesubstanceinawaytoresultinbetterhumanfunctioning.

DaveAsprey: Verywellput.Now,youdon'tjusttakevitaminCorallyandthenrecommendthattoyourpatients,althoughyourecommendthattheytakeitbutthat'snottheonlywayyouuseit.You'reputtingitintheirveinsintravenously.Howmuchdoyouuseandwhydoesitworkintravenously?

RonHunninghake: Okay.Well,wehavetheRiordanprotocolforcancerwherewedostartpeopleoutatarelativelysmalldoseof15,000whichformostpractitionersthatseemsscaryandtheywonderifit'sgoingtocreatekidneystonesandno,itdoesn't.IfitdidwewouldbethekidneystonecapitaloftheworldinWichita,Kansas.


Whatwefindisthatthinkofitthisway.Let'ssay,thereferencerangeofvitaminCinthebloodstreamisonemilligramperdeciliter.Aftera15,000,a15-gramIBCinfusionandwetypically,domeasurepeopleafterwegivethemaninfusion,it'sabout100milligramsperdeciliter.It's100timeswhatyouwouldnormallyhaveinyourblood.Now,youcantakeasmuchoralvitaminCasyoucanandyoumightgetitupfromonetomaybethree,maybefour,maybefiveifyou'vealreadybeentakingvitaminCforalongtimebuttogetbeyondthatisalmostimpossible.

Now,therearecaseswherepeoplehavetaken,they'vebuiltthemselvesupto50,60,000milligramsoforalvitaminCadayovermonthsandyearsandtheycanachieveahigherbloodlevelinthe20s,maybethe30s.Whatwe'reshootingforwithcancerpatientsisfor400milligramsperdeciliter.ThatwaswhatDr.RiordanfoundwhenhetookovertheresearchthatLinusPaulinghadstartedwithEwanCameronbackinthe'60susingonly10,000milligramsofvitaminCincancerpatientsandhelpingcancerpatientslivefourtimesaslongwithmuchgreaterqualityoflife,lesspain,betterenergy,betterappetite,overallbetterfunctioning.

WhenLinusPaulingdiedDr.Riordandecidedtoactuallydoadditionalresearch.That'swherewebeganstudyingcellcultureandlookingatwhatkindsofdoseswerenecessarytogenerateapoptosisincancercells.Itwasatabout350to400milligramsperdeciliterthatwesawalmostuniversally,allcancercelltypesdisintegrate,gointoapoptosisandknockthemselvesout.

DaveAsprey: It'sreallyremarkablehowthebody'sdemandforvitaminCchangesdependingonwhat'sgoingoninsidethebody.ForalongtimewhenIhadn'ttackledmysystemicinflammationwithnutritionandjustlivinginanenvironmentwithoutthingsthatarekryptoniteforme,beforeIdidthatIwouldregularlytake10gramsadayofvitaminCandIfeltreallygood.That'saprettyhighdose.That'slike10horsepillsofvitaminCindivideddose.

RonHunninghake: That'swhatItake.

DaveAsprey: We'lltake10.IgotasinusinfectionandIjustmadeacommitmenttomyselfthatIwasnotgoingtouseantibiotics.Itookantibioticseverymonthformorethan15yearsforchronicstrepandchronicsinusitis.Thatwrecksyourmitochondria,itpoisonsthem,itwrecksyourgutactually,likeit'sjustbadnews.Hey,Iwasreallysickandalso,that'swhatthedoctorstoldmewouldworkandIdidn'tknowanybetter.IfsomeonehadonlywrittenallthisstuffandIknewhowtofinditthatlongagoandfoundittobecredibleitwouldhavereallychangedtheprogressionofmylife.

IwenttoaguyinPaloAltowhoIdon'tthinkispracticingrightnowinotherwordsIwoulddrophisname.Idid150gramsofvitaminCintravenouslyeachdayforthreedaysand100gramsorally.Whenyoutaketoomuchvitaminyou


getdisasterpants.Youknow,it'scalledboweltolerance,right?Atleastpeoplelistening,nowtheyknow.Youclearlyknowthisbecause…

RonHunninghake: WasitRobertCathcartbyanychance?WasitBobCathcart?

DaveAsprey: No.BobCathcartwasafriendandhe'samemberoftheanti-agingcalledtheSiliconValleyHealthInstitutebutitwasn'tCathcart.ItwasactuallyTimGuilford.Idon'tbelievethat…

RonHunninghake: Yeah,IknowTim.Timisagoodfriendtoo.

DaveAsprey: Bothofthemareexcellenthumanbeingsandhavecontributedtomyknowledgegreatly.Infact,ImetTim'ssonattheAmericanAcademyofAnti-AgingMedicinelastweekwhichiscool.

IdiddothisandinterestinglyandthereasonI'mbringingthisupisA,thesearereallybiglevelsmostpeoplelikeyou[inaudible00:16:01]100grams,likethat's100pillsworthofvitaminCinyourveins.Numberone,Ididn'tdie.Numbertwo,Ididn'tevengetdisasterpantseventhoughIwasbasicallyfeastingpillsofvitaminCbecausemybody'sdemandforvitaminCwassohighthatIuseallofitthatIcouldget.Unfortunately,Idon'tthinkthatitactuallycuredmysinusinfection.There'sanenvironmentalcomponentandafungalcomponenttothatthatIneededtoaddress.Thiswas15orsoyearsago.

JusttheideaherethatthisispossibleandthatpeoplehavebeendoingthisfordecadesandthatmostpeoplelisteninghaveneverheardofthisisIthinkit'sintriguingbutalso,thatideathatthestressstatusofthebodydictatesvitaminCconsumptionlevelsisimportant.

Now,you'recuringcancerwithvitaminC.DoyoulikeitifIsaycuringcancerordoesthatpissedtheFDAoffandyouwantmetoeditthatout?

RonHunninghake: Well,IthinkwhenIfirststartedherethatwaspartofwhattheexcitementofjoiningDr.RiordanisthatIwaslookingforsomethinglikethat.Ithinkwedo…Curemaybetoomuchofword.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,that'sfine.

RonHunninghake: ImeanweactuallydidchangeourprotocoltowhereweareusingvitaminCasadjunctivetherapyincancercare.EvenDr.Riordansaidwedon'ttreatcancer,wetreatthepersonwhohascancer.Yousay,well,isthatjustsemantics?No,it'snotjustsemanticsbecausecancerisit'sachronicillnesslikediabetes,likeanyotherchronicinflammatorydisease.Youcannottreatitwithonething.YoucancertainlymodifyitwithhighdosesofvitaminC.AsyouwerespeakingIwantedtomakesurethattheaudienceunderstandsthateverycreaturemakestheirownvitaminCwiththeexceptionofhumans,guineapigsandfruit-eatingbatsandcertainprimates.


Whenthatcreatureissick,injured,toxic,challenged,afraid,whatever,anykindofthreat,theirownadrenals,theirownsystemstartskickingoutalotmorevitaminC.Wehumanshavelostthatsomewhereinevolution.Thegenemutatedandwecannolongerdothat.Myfavoritethingtosayisthatwefinallygotsobadoffwithwhatwe'vedonetotheworldthatourbrainfinallyhelpeduslearnhowtomakevitaminCagain.Wedon'tmakeitinourbodybutwemakeitandweconsumeitinprogressivedosesdependinguponhowgreatthethreatistous.Cancerisobviouslyalife-threateningthing,sohigherdosesarecalledforincancercare.

DaveAsprey: Now,you'vegotsomeresearchthatyoudidwithDr.Riordanfor15years,theRecnacwhichiscancerspelledbackwards.DoyousayRecnacorRecnac?Howdoyoupronounceit?

RonHunninghake: Recnac.

DaveAsprey: Recnac,allright,Ireadittherightway.Youguysfiguredoutthatincellcultures,vitaminCwascytotoxicagainstcancercells.Inotherwords,itkillscancercellsbutnotnormalcells.You'relookingatlikestagethreeandstagefourcancerpatients.Tellmealittlebitmoreaboutthatstudy.

RonHunninghake: Well,helookedatabout20differentcellculturelinesandwewereabletodeterminethatinvitro,inotherwordsinthepetridishitdoesinduceapoptosis.Actually,whathappensandthisisinterestingisthatit'snolongerjusttheRiordanClinic.AttheKUMedicalCenter,oneofDr.Riordan'sstudents,JeanneDrisko,hostedaconferenceoftheUniversityofIowa,theJeffersonCollegeinPhiladelphiaandSloan-Kettering.TheynowareactivelyinvolvedinvitaminCresearchbecauseit'sthefirstthingthattheyhaveshownthatwhenusedinconjunctionwithchemotherapeuticagentsactuallyimproveslongevityandreducessideeffectsandenhancesthebenefitofthetreatmentitself.

They'reprettyenthusedthat…andtheyhaveverifiedalloftheresearchthatwhenyougivevitaminCinhighdosesandyoucreateredoxcyclingyouaretakinganantioxidant,you'rereducingiron,you'reinteractingthatironwiththeoxygeninyourtissues,theoxygenthengeneratesthehydrogenperoxideandtherewehavethepro-oxidanteffectofvitaminC,whichalotofdoctorsstilldon'tunderstand.Iwouldsay99.9%ofoncologistsstillthinkofvitaminCasonlyanantioxidantandthey'remissingoutonthefactthatitcouldbeverybeneficialtotheircancerpatientsintermsofimprovingoutcomesandreducingsideeffectsalongtheway.

DaveAsprey: Now,mostpeoplelisteningthey'veheard,justlikethecancerdoctors,antioxidantsaregoodforyou.Ihaveanewbookaboutmitochondrialfunctionandhowyoucanactuallyhackyourmitochondriasothattheymakeenergyanduseoxygenmoreeffectivelywhichmakesyourbrainworkbetter.

RonHunninghake: Yeah,that'sthebasicmechanism.


DaveAsprey: Okay,cool.You'reinalignmentwiththat.Ifiguredyouwouldbebecauseit'snotlikeorthomolecularguyshaven'tknownthisfor20years.It'sjustnotcommonknowledge.ThebookiscalledHeadstrong.

Theinterestingthingtherethoughisthatreactiveoxygenspecies,thethingsthatantioxidantsquenchareimportantsignalingmoleculesforapoptosiswhichiscelldeath,whichisyouwantapoptosisincancerandthisiswhyalotofmyfriends,thealternativepractitionersororthomolecularorfunctional,howevertheycallthemselves,they'lluseintravenousozonefollowedbyintravenousvitaminCondifferentdaysevenbecausewhatthey'redoingisthey'reincreasingpro-oxidantbecauseit'sastresssignalandcellsaysgetoutofhere,likemalfunctioningcellssothattheproperlyfunctioningonescantakeover.

There'salsoacasewhereyoulookatexerciseandpeoplewhotakeantioxidantswhenthyexercisedon'tgetthebenefitsofexercise,likeweightliftingwithnoinflammationafterwardsequalsyoudidn'tliftweightsbecauseyourbodydidn'tgetthesignaltorepair.Howdoyouknowwhenyou'reusingvitaminC?ThisisaquestionbothforcancerpatientsandforjustpeoplelisteningwhowantedtotakevitaminCattherightamount.Howdoyouknowifyou'retakingenoughvitaminCtobepro-oxidantandhealthyorenoughtojustscrewupyourexerciseregimen?Itseemslikethere'sverydifferentgoalsthere.

RonHunninghake: Yeah.We'retalkingabouthormesisandIdon'tknowifyou'refamiliarwiththat.

DaveAsprey: Explainitforourlistenersforsure.

RonHunninghake: Well,hormesisiswhereyougivesomethingthatwouldotherwisebethoughttobeatoxintothebodyandwhatitdoesisitinducesahealingresponseandifyougiveitinsequentiallyhigherdosesthebodywillrespondbybecomingstrongerandsothisisthewholebasisofexercise.Ifyouwillgooutthereandoverexercisetoomuch,toofastyoucanhurtyourself.Ifyougraduallyincreasethechallengetoyourbodyyoucanbecomemorefit.

That'spartofthereasonwhyintheRiordanprotocol,whichisbythewaythereareoverathousandJapanesedoctorsnowusingtheRiordanprotocolforcancerpatientsinJapan.TheJapanesehavebeenIthinktheworldleadersinunderstandingwhatthisisallabout.PartoftheRiordanprotocolistodoa15,25,50,75,100grambyvitaminCsequentiallylookingatpost-Csaturationlevels.

We'reusingameasurementguidetohelpusdetermineifwe'regettingtheresultsthatwereallywant.JustusingafewgramsofvitaminCorallyandyou'vegotcancer,that'snotgoingtowork.Imeantherearebenefitstoantioxidants,obviouslyacolor-richdiethaslotsofphytonutrientsandpartoftheirbenefitisthattheydohaveantioxidantproperties.


Ithinktheconceptofantioxidantshasbeenmisunderstood.WhatDr.TomLevyandIhaveintroducedatourmostrecentconferenceisthisconceptofredoxmedicinethateverythinginnatureisredox.

DaveAsprey: Yes.Explainredoxforourlisteners.Thisisalsoinheadstrong.Justlikedefinethat.It'ssoimportant.Youguyswillhavetohearthis.

RonHunninghake: Yeah.Well,lifeisredox.There'soxidation,thereisreduction.Oxidationiswhenmoleculesloseelectronsanditcausesdysfunctionofsomesort.Reductioniswhenfromsomesource,suchasvitaminCorgoodqualityfood,youareabletogetelectronsbackinordertostabilizethemoleculeandtostabilizethestructuresthatit'sworkingwithin.

It'snotlikeoneortheotherisgoodandtheotheroneisbad.Imeanthat'sanimproperconcept.It'sacyclingeffectandwithoutthatcyclingeffectyoudon'tgetthehealththatyouwant.ItwasabigrevelationtomewhenIunderstoodthatoxidationisanecessarysignalandaswellasinyourmitochondriayou'vegottohaveoxidationotherwise,youhavenoenergy,youhavenoabilitytogenerateATP.

Oxidationisjustasimportantasreduction.Justtalkingaboutantioxidantsasifthat'sagoodthing,that'shalftheequation.You'vegottohavethisbalanceofflowandtheflowhasgottobeoccurringattherightmembrane,attherightplaceinthebodyattherighttimeandtherightamounts.Thisisredoxmedicine.

DaveAsprey: Youcanimaginethatyou'reabatteryandbatteriesonlydosomethingwhenelectronscomeoutthetopandcomearoundandgobackinthebottom.Literally,everythingalive,plantsandanimals,haselectronscomingin,sunlight,food,air,oryoucanhaveelectronswithvitaminC,withozone,orevenwithelectrodes,likeIactuallydothatwhenIfly.SometimesIstickelectrodesonandIputelectronsintomysystemandthentheyleaveyou.Theycangothroughearthing,throughexcretingCO2.Everythinglivinghasbasicallyaconstantflowofelectronsandlikeyousaid,redox,thatistheultimatethingforallkindsoflife.

Let'stakethatnowthatpeoplehavegottheconceptofredox.WhatexactlyisvitaminCdoingthat'sdifferentthansayhamsandwich,likeelectronscominginthatway?

RonHunninghake: ThisiswhereIhavetobethankfulfortoFrankShallenberger.Idon'tknowifyou'veevermetFrank.

DaveAsprey: He'squotedinmybookandhespokeattheanti-aginggroup.Infact,hisworkonmitochondrialinsufficiencyisacorethesis.Yes,Shallenberger,allofyoushouldknowhisnamebytheway.Goahead.


RonHunninghake: Right.AsIwasbeginningtounderstandexactlyhowvitaminCworksitbecamecleartomethatweweregeneratingafreeradicalhydrogenperoxide.Ithought,"Ohmygosh,howdoesthefreeradicalitselfhelpcancerpatients?"ThenIgotinterestedincancerasamitochondrialdisease,howmostofthechronicillnessesthatwehavenowadaysaremitochondrialdiseases.

OnceIunderstoodthatthis…whenFranktoldmeNADtoNADH,youneedoxidantsinordertogetthatreactiontooccur,thatthenwillincreaseyourproductionofATPandthenATPcanhelpyougenerateintracellularantioxidantswhichyouneedto,shallwesay,shepherdthefire.Themitochondrionisafirewithinyourcellsandyouhavetohavesomethingthatshepherdsthatfire.

Well,that'stheantioxidantsthatyourbodygenerallyincreases.Ifyouhavedisruptionofthemitochondriaandyou'reunabletogenerateATPandyou'reunabletogenerateintracellularantioxidantsthenthewholecellularstructurestartstoregress.Oneofthetheoriesofcanceristhatwe'vetakentheeukaryoticcellandwe'veregresseditbacktoaprokaryoticcellinsteadofgenerating…

DaveAsprey: Explainthoseterms.Thosearesuperimportantterms.Ithinksomelistenersmightnotremembertheirbiochemistry.

RonHunninghake: Yeah.Anyway,aeukaryoticcellcanmakefromonemoleculeofglucose38ATPsbutayeastcell,whichisaprokaryoticcell,itcantakeglucoseandonlymaketwoATPsthroughfermentation.Whatwe'vedoneiswe'vetakenanaerobicmetabolismandwe'vetakenitbackintermsofthecell.Asamatteroffactsomepeoplerefertocancercellsastheselfishcell.They'retryingtosurviveinanenvironmentofinflammationandinjuryandtoxicityandsotheyregressbacktothisfermentativestate.There'sagreatbookthatIwouldlikeallyourlistenerstolookatandthatisTrippingOvertheTruthbyChristofferson.Haveyoureadthebook?

DaveAsprey: ThisisnotabookIknow.Bywho?Chris?

RonHunninghake: ByChristofferson.It'safantasticbookbecausewhathesaysisthatthisistheuniversalcharacteristicofallcancersisthattheyarebasicallyanaerobic.They'reanaerobicandWarburgdiscoveredthis.Dr.WarburgdiscoveredthisandthisistheAchillesheelwhereweneedtobeattackingcancer.Thegeneticmutationtheoryisfailingandweknowthatnowthatwehavebeenabletosequencethegenomesofsomanycancercells.

Youcanhave10lungcancerpatientsandtheyhave10completelydifferentgenomesthatthesecellsareworkingwith.Thisideaoffindingthemutationthatwecanattackwithachemotherapeuticagentislosinggroundveryrapidly.We'rehavingtofindadifferentplacetoattackatitanditturnsoutthatallcancercellsareanaerobicandifyoudeprivethemofglucosetheycannotliveproperlyandyoucanthenstarttoovercomethecancer.


DaveAsprey: DominicD'AgostinocameonBulletproofmaybeaboutthreeyearsagoandagain,morerecentlywho'sdoingworkwithhyperbaricoxygenandketonesandverylow-carbdiets.AreyouaproponentofaddingketoneslikeImakethetop-sellingexogenousketoneproduct,it'scalledbrainoctane?Whenyoutakethatyoucanraiseyourketones,youcandowiththeketone-inducingdiet.DoyoucombinethatwithvitaminC?

RonHunninghake: Yes.Again,vitaminCisreallyinteresting.It'smadefromglucose.Ifyoulookattheglucosemoleculeandthedehydroascorbatemoleculethey'realmostidentical.UsingvitaminCyou'retrickingthecancercelltotakeuptheoxidizedformofvitaminCandthenintracellularlyitwillgoaheadandinasensethat'spartiallyhowitgoesaheadandinducesapoptosisinthecancercell.

Now,smalldosesofvitaminCorallyareprobablynotenoughtodothejobeventhough,Idon'tknowyet,becauseliposomalvitaminCmaybeanexceptionandthatwe'relookingatthatbecausethat'stakenupintocellswithoutanyenergyrequirement.We'relookingthatmaybewecancreateabigenoughdoseofliposomalvitaminCthatitwillmimictheintravenousvitaminC.

DaveAsprey: Okay.

RonHunninghake: TherearesomeotherdoctorsthathavelookedatdeprivingcancerpatientsofallvitaminCforperiodsoftimeandthenhittingthemreallyhardwithhighdosesofvitaminCasapossiblewayofinducingapoptosisincancercells.There'salotofresearchinthisareaandit'snotlikeit'sallworkedoutnow.It'smorelikeweareintheearlystagesofflightandweneedresearchiswhatwereallyneedandunfortunately,it'shardtocomebyatthefundingforthisparticulararea.

DaveAsprey: VitaminCishardtopatent,that'sforsure.

RonHunninghake: Youcan'tpatentit.Whatwecoulddo,therearewaysliketheliposomalvitaminCisaproprietarywayofdeliveringvitaminC.Matteroffact,theRiordanClinicdoeshavethepatentonIVvitaminC,wehaveneverforcedit.Wehaveneverforcedit.

DaveAsprey: Okay.Let'spauseforasecondthere.Forpeoplelistening,youneedtounderstandthatifsomeonepatentssomethingasprofoundasIVvitaminCthat'sdoneallovertheplacetheycouldrestricttheuseofthat.Basically,theycouldtakeitoffthemarketforalackofabetterword.Infact,Iimagineyou'veprobablyhadpharmaceuticalcompaniestryandbuyyousotheycouldgetthepatenttokeepitoffthemarket.Hasthateverhappened?

RonHunninghake: Ithinkthepharmaceuticalcompaniesarejustnowstartingtogetinterested.There'sevenanewtermthat'scomeoutcalled[pharmascore00:33:35]butstillvitaminC.it'stheideathathighdosesofvitaminCarehavingapharmaceutical


effectwhichwasreallywhatorthomolecularis.Thewaydoctorsthinkthisistheonlywaytheycanthinkthatithasanyvalue.

DaveAsprey: YouperformedahugeactofpublicserviceforwhichyoudeserverecognitionbyA,patentingitsonobigpharmacompanycouldpatentit.Secondly,allowingpeopletodoitanywaywhichistheoppositeofwhatapatenttrollwoulddo.I'mgratefulthatyoubasicallyallowthattohappen.

RonHunninghake: IfyouwouldhavemetDr.Riordanyouwouldunderstandthat.Hewasagreathumanitarian.

DaveAsprey: ThatisbecauseIdidnotrealizethatthereevenwasapatentonthat.

RonHunninghake: RiordanClinichasit.

DaveAsprey: Allright.

RonHunninghake: It's[inaudible00:34:21].WeweretalkingaboutwaystoextenditjustsothatwestayincontroloftheapplicationofIVvitaminCforallkindsofchronicillness.

DaveAsprey: Topreventitalsofrombeingtakenforsomethingelseandthenrestricted.Ifapharmaceuticalcompanysaysyoucandoitforonethingthey'llstartwhittlingthewayinourrighttodothis.

Now,vitaminC,99%ofitonthemarketcomesfromcornfermentationwhenit'smanufactured.Cornisuniversallycontaminatedwithtwothings.Oneismycotoxinbecausethere'sbeenachangeinfungalsoilorganismssothattheynowbecomepartoftherootstockofcorns.ThisistheFusariumspeciesthatmakesfusarisetinandthesamecoffeetoxinthatinhibitsmitochondrialfunctioncalledOTAandafewothertoxins.It'suniversallycontaminatedunlessit'sorganicwithglyphosateorRoundup.

StephanieSeneffcameontheshowandtalkedabouthowconcernedshewasaboutglyphosatecontaminationofcorn-derivedsupplementsaswellasabunchofotherthings.Whenyou'repumpingthismuchstuffintosomeone'sveins,areyouconcernedaboutthecornsourceofvitaminC?Doyouthinkitmatters?

RonHunninghake: Well,wedon'tusecorn-sourcedvitaminC.

DaveAsprey: Ofcourseyoudon'tsinceyouguysaregood.

RonHunninghake: WetrytoavoidthatandI'mveryconcernedaboutit.I'vewatchedyourvideosandIshowmosteverypatientthechartsonhowautismandcanceranddiabetesandobesityparalleltheincreaseduseofglyphosateinGMOproduction.


Bytheway,I'vegotalotoffarmerswhoaremypatientsandtheweedsareallcomingback.Theyareallbecomingresistanttotheglyphosatesowe'vegotthishugeproblemandit'snotevenworkinganyway.It'slikethewholeantibioticstoryinmanyways.Amatteroffact,glyphosatewasfirstpatentedasanantibiotic.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.Itisanantibiotic.Iwasgoingtosayifyoudidn't.

RonHunninghake: Itisanantibiotic.It'sdisruptingthegutflora.IsawyouhadDavidPerlmutteronandthat'sabigstory,thatwholethingaboutthegutbiomeisbigandherewearekillingthegutbiomeandwewonderwhypeoplearehavingautoimmunediseaseandcancerandeverythingelse,depression.

DaveAsprey: DoesvitaminChelporharmthegutbiomewhenyoutakeitorally?

RonHunninghake: Ican'tseethatit…ImeanItakealot.IsaidItake10gramsaday.That'smyminimum.Iusuallytakemorelike20gramsaday.I'veneverhaddigestive…MatterfactmyhealthreallygotmuchbetterwhenIstartedtakinghighdosesofvitaminCincludingmyguthealth.

Iguessbyvirtueofmypersonalexperienceitcertainlyhasnothurtmyguthealth.

DaveAsprey: OneofthethingsthatpeoplemayhavepickedupfromtheBulletproofdietiftheyreadthatorifthey'relikereallygeekybiohackers,isthatcollagenwhichistheliningofyourarteriesismadeoutofcollagen.Yourconnectivetissues,yourfascia,thescaffoldingforyourbones,yourskin,yourhairandnailsandyes,ImakeBulletproofupgradedcollagen.Iputitinmycoffee,there'smyplugandallthatkindofstuff.ThewayyourbodymakescollagenisitrequiresvitaminC.Itrequiresprolineanditrequiresglycine.

RonHunninghake: Andlysine.

DaveAsprey: Andlysine,thankyou.Iwaslikethere'soneotheraminoasset.IfyouareshortonvitaminCyouwon'tmakegoodconnectivetissue.Thisispartofmynewstretchmarksbookthat'soutthereonAmazon.Yeah,it'sliketwo-boxer.Itmightevenbefreerightnow.Ijustwishsomeonehadtoldme,I'mcoveredinstretchmarkswhenIwasbetween16and25whenIweighed300pounds.I'minareallygoodshapenowbutIstillhavethesestretchmarks.I'veatleastbleachedandI'vedoneallthisstuffbecauseI'mjustcuriousonhowtohackthatstuff.

WhatIexperiencedasachildisIlivedinabasementthathadbeendamagedbyaflood.NooneknewabouttoxicmoldbackthensoIalwayshadasthmaandIwasalwayspuffyandalotofcognitivelikeAsperger'skindofstuffcamefromenvironmentalsources.IwouldconstantlyhavethesebruisesthatnoonecouldexplainandIwouldgetnosebleed.


RonHunninghake: Scurvy.Youhadscurvy.

DaveAsprey: Ihadscurvy,nosebleeds10timesaday,anothersignofscurvy.It'snotlikeIdidn'teatvegetablesandstufflikethat.WhatwasgoingonisthatmyliverwaslikegivemeeveryounceofvitaminCpossibletomakeglutathionebecausevitaminCsrequireglutathione.Bytheway,yes,Imanufactureglutathionesupplementforareasonbuttheglutathionewassoakingitalotsomybodywasinordertosavemybrainasbestitcouldfromthetoxinsofmyenvironment,itwastakingmyvitaminC,insteadofmakinghealthyskinwithoutstretchmarks,insteadofmakinghealthyarteriesthatwouldn'tleakblood,itwassayingpreferentiallygiveittotheliver.

ThisisoneofthethingsthatnoonetalksaboutwithvitaminCthatIthinkisfundamentalandthisiswhyI'mlikeatleasttakeagramadaybecauseyou'reprobablygettingmoretoxinsthanMotherNatureintendedevenifyouliveanallegedlycleanlife.

RonHunninghake: YouknowDr.TomLevy,don'tyou?

DaveAsprey: Yeah.He'sagreatguy.Anothersupporterofthenonprofit.

RonHunninghake: Hesaysthatalltheinflammationislocalizedscurvy.

DaveAsprey: Wow.That'sahardcoreperspective.Ididn'tknowthatIquite…Ithinkit'sallredoxproblemsandmitochondrialinsufficiency.

RonHunninghake: SometimeswecantalkfurtherbutvitaminCisthemostfriendlyelectrondonoranditfitsin,it'stheultimateantitoxin,let'sjustputitthatway.

DaveAsprey: Okay,Iwouldn'tbuythat.

RonHunninghake: It'snottheonlyone.It'snottheonlyonebutasfarasreachingdifferentpartsofthebody…Thereareothermorepowerfulantioxidantsbutasfarasanantitoxingoes,nothingisbetterthanvitaminC.

DaveAsprey: IhearyouthereandIthinkthere'salotofstrengthtothevitaminCstory.Idon'ttakeitafterIworkout.Idon'ttakeitbeforeIworkout.Idon'tusuallytakeitifI'mdoingozonetherapywhichfranklysavedmybrainbutIbelieveasaregularpreventativeit'ssupervaluableandalso,whenIflyItakealotmore.

LikewhenI'monabusinesstripI'lltripleorquadruplemy[inaudible00:40:51]becauseofthebiologicalstressandthetoxinexposureishigher.Thisissomethingyoudon'ttakethesameamounteverydaylikearobot.

RonHunninghake: [Increased00:40:57]exposurewhenyou'reintheplane,yeah?

DaveAsprey: Bigpointthere.


RonHunninghake: TheyweretalkingaboutthetriptoMars,reallywhatthey'veleftoutisthewholevitaminCstorybecausetheyworryaboutwhat'sgoingtohappentotheastronautswhenthey'reexposedinspacetothatlong[inaudible00:41:12]vitaminC.

DaveAsprey: InfactthewholeredoxstoryismissingthereandPeterDiamandisandIhavebecomefriends.He'soneoftheguys.Infact,he'stheguywho'dcreatedSpaceXorsorry,createdtheXPRIZEwhichledtoSpaceXandoneofthemostremarkablehumansIknow,alsoaHarvardtrainedphysician,andI'vehadachanceacoupleoftimestomention,"Hey,Peter,whataboutthisflowofelectrons?WherearewegettinglightwhichispartofthistomakevitaminD?"

HackingtheenvironmentforourastronautstogotoMars,Idon'tthinkthatnearlyenoughworkhasbeendone.They'retreatingthemlikelittlerobots.LikeIsaid,morevitaminC,moreenvironmentalthings.Itwouldjustbesoimportant.HowmuchvitaminCshouldanastronauttake?

RonHunninghake: Idon'tknow.Dr.Yanagisawawho'stheheadoftheJapanesecontingentspokeonradiationsicknessatourconferenceandthere'snoquestionthatahigh-dosevitaminCwillalleviateitsoIdon'tknowwhatthedosage.ItdependsontheradiationexposureIassume.

DaveAsprey: Youknowtheotherthing,sincewe'retalkingaboutradiationinspaceflightandallthisstuff.Ididn'tthinkwe'dtalkedaboutgiventhatyou'reorthomolecularphysicianbutthat'swhyIloveBulletproofRadio,Ilovebeingabletochatwithsmartpeople.

WhenIinterviewedDr.Veech,aguywhostudiedwithHansKrebsandhasfor40yearsbeenlookingatketoneresearch,hewastalkingabouttheanti-radiationeffectsofketones.IalwaysdosomebrainoctanebeforeIfly.IdohavevitaminC.Ihaveastaxanthinandotherthingslikethatbecauseit'simportant.I'mtravelingabout125daysayear.Iflyatleast100timesayear.I'mplanningtoliveto180plussoIbetterbeproactivelymanagingthatstuffratherthanlettingitaccumulateandthentryingtodigmyselfoutofahole.

Bytheway,howoldareyou?

RonHunninghake: Sixtyfive.

DaveAsprey: ForpeopleontheYouTubechannel,gotobulletproof.com/youtube.IthinkitwilltakeyourighttoourYouTubechannelandyoucanseelikeyou'reaveryhealthylooking65yearold.

RonHunninghake: ItrytopracticewhatIpreach.Let'sjustputitthatway.

DaveAsprey: Itseemslikeit'sworking.Yourhairisalittlegray.Hey,soismine.It'sbeengraysinceIwas20.


RonHunninghake: Minewasgrayinmy20ssoImissedthatboat.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.Mineturnedgrayinmy20stoo.That'sprobablyhydrogenperoxiderelatedwethink?

RonHunninghake: IhavestretchmarkstoosoI'mwithyouonthatsoyeah.

DaveAsprey: Doyouhaveahistoryofobesity?

RonHunninghake: About20-30poundsover.Iusedtogettoabout210andI'mnow178,inthatrange.

DaveAsprey: Okay,soyou'remanagingitwell.ThisissomethingIwouldjustencouragepeople.I'mgoingtoangerafewofthemanyphysicianswholistentothis.Ifyougointoyourfunctionalmedicineorheck,evenyourwesternmedicinedoctor'sofficeandyourdoctorissubstantiallyoverweightandlooksunhealthy,Ibelievethattheethicalandthethingtodoisnottofirethemforlookingunhealthybecausethat'sridiculousbuttolookatthedoctorandsay,"Doctor,itdoesn'tlooklikewhatyou'redoingisworkingforyou.Canyoutellmewhyit'snotworkingandwhatyou'redoingaboutitbecausethat'sgoingtohelpmedecidewhetherI'mgoingtoallowyoutoletyouhelpme?"

Ifyoudoitrespectfully,ifyoufatshameyourdoctor,Ihopethattheystickyouwithaneedlefullofsomethingthathurtsandtheykickyououtbecausethat'snotcool.Youreallyshouldhavetheconversationthat'slike,"Look,ifwhatyou'retellingmetodoworks,youshouldlookgood."Notlikeamodelbutjusthealthy.

Especially,youlookata60-plus-year-olddoctorandtheylooklikethey're85,don'tdowhatthey'redoing.

RonHunninghake: That'strue.That'sbeenmymottoallalong.Wegottowalkthewalk.

DaveAsprey: Allright.WhydidhumanslosetheabilitytomakevitaminC?

RonHunninghake: Well,supposedlytheenvironmentatthattimewaslushwithalotofvitaminC-containingfoodsandthespidermonkeylivinginitsnaturalenvironmentwillconsumetheequivalentof7,000milligramsadayofvitaminC-containingfood.

Thetheoryisifyougoback,let'ssee.There'sabookcalledTheHealingFactorwhichyoucangetonlinefreeandhecoversthatandhethinkswhathappensisitwasjusttryingtoreducethebiochemicalburdenonthekidneybecauseitwasmadeinthekidney.

Now,LinusPaulingsaysbecauseofthat,ourbrainsbecamealotmoreadaptive.WehadtogrowourbrainsbecausewecouldnotadapttotheenvironmentjustbymakingmorevitaminC.Wehavenowoutgrownourbrain'sabilitytoadapt


andsoweneedtomakethevitaminCexternallyandtakeitinhigheramountsinordertosurvivetheworldthatwehavecreated.

DaveAsprey: Thatmakesgoodsensetome.Ihavetwomorecancer-relatedquestionsforyou,threemore.Let'sgowiththefirstonethat'smostprobablyapplicableforlisteners.Ifsomeonedoesn'twanttogetcancer,thatwouldbeeveryonelisteningIbelieve,whatistherightapproachtovitaminC?Howmuchandhowoftenistheprophylacticdose?

RonHunninghake: Well,I'lljustuseanexample.Dr.YanagisawaonceagaininTokyo,he'soneofninechildren,allofthemhavegottencancer.HegetsanIVvitaminConceaweek,everyweek.He'sgoingonlike…I'veknownhimforoverfiveyearsnowandhewasfeaturedintheNewsweekMagazineforJapantalkingaboutvitaminC.

He'sbeenabletopreventcancerinhisbodybyusingthehighdosevitaminClikethatonceaweekandthenIthinkhetakessomeorallyaswellbutthat'shismainstay.Idon'tthinkeveryone'sgoingtobeabletotakeIVvitaminCandIdon'tthink…

DaveAsprey: It's150bucksminimumperdose.

RonHunninghake: Yeah,[crosstalk00:47:05]butIdothinkthisiswhereyoucanuseitinconjunctionwithallthehealthstrategiesthatwenowhaveintermsof…thatyoufeatureinyourbooksandstuffandwetrytopromotehereattheRiordanClinic.PeriodicuseofIVvitaminCwhenyou'resickisprobablyagoodidea.

DaveAsprey: Justwhenyou'resicknotlikeacoupleofgramsadayfor…

RonHunninghake: That'swhypeoplewillnormallyshelloutthedollarsiswhenthey'renotfeeling…they'llcomeanddoIVvitaminC.LipoCisverygoodbecauseyouget100%absorption.NoirritationtothegutbutIusevitaminCpowderaswell.

Noonereallyknowswhattheactualpreventivedoseis.

DaveAsprey: IhavesomeconcernsabouttheliposomalvitaminCjustbecauseyou'regettingsomuchomega-6.Ifyouwantedtotake10gramsofliposomalvitaminCyou'regoingtogetalotofthefatsthatcanoxidizesothere'slikeadoselimitthat'sdrivenbytheamountoffatyoucantakefromthe[crosstalk00:48:04].

RonHunninghake: Areyoutalkingaboutthephospholipids?

DaveAsprey: Yeah,becauseifyoutaketoomanyofthosephospholipids,itactuallydisruptcellmembraneintegrity.YoucangetacoupleofgramsofliposomalvitaminCorglutathione,thekindofstuffthatIdobutwhenyougoabovethatyoustartgettingtoomanyphospholipidsandyoumismatchtheratios.


Haveyoucomeacrossanythinglikethat?Idon'tknow.

RonHunninghake: IwasjustthinkingitwasphosphatidylcholineandIwasn'tawarethatphosphatidylcholinewouldcauseamismatchinthecellmembranebutI'lllookintothat,thankyou.

DaveAsprey: ThereferencethereissomeguyswroteabookcalledTheDetoxxProtocolwithalotofreferenceabout,there'stwoXsinit,abouttheratioofdifferentlipidsinthecellmembranesforoptimalmitochondrialfunction.

Whatturnsout,youtaketoomuchomega-6,evenintheformofphospholipids,especiallysomeofthestuffthat'sactuallysoldasasupplementliketheGPTform.Sometimesthatdoesunintendedthingsthataren'tgoodinthelongtermespeciallyforpeoplewithtoxins.

We'regettingprettygeekythere.Stillsomepeopleappreciate.Otherpeoplearegoing,"Whatthehelldidtheseguysjustsay?"Justpretendingyoudidn'thearthelastminuteifyou'renotthatgeeky.

NowthenextquestionismyfriendHalElrod,theauthorofMiracleMorning,hasaformofveryaggressiveleukemiathatstrikesyoungmen.He'sbeenverypublicaboutthiswhichiswhyIcantalkaboutit.IbelieveheisgoingtoaclinicthatoffersIVvitaminC.Thequestionforyouis,doesvitaminCworkbetterorworseforleukemiaversusotherkindsofcancerorisitprettymuch,ifit'scanceritkillsit?

RonHunninghake: It'snotthatcutanddried.WedidhaveanoncologistthatspentabouttwoyearsherewhodidseethevalueofvitaminCandhewentbacktoKoreaandIthinkhe'sstillgivinghighdosevitaminCformyelogenousleukemiabuthereallywantedbigdoseslike75to100gramseverydaycontinuously.

Wehaven'tseenalotofleukemiapatientsheresoIcan'treallyanswerfromanexperientialpointofview.Iknowthathewasbigintoitandthoughtitwasbeneficial.HeistheonethatthoughtmaybethereshouldalsobeperiodsoftimewhereyoueliminatevitaminCinordertogetsomekindofredoxeffectinthatregard.Ithinkthat'sanotherareathatprobablyneedsalotmoreresearch.

We'vemostlytreatedsolidtumorcancers.

DaveAsprey: Okay,mostlysolidtumor.ThenextquestionfromanorthomolecularperspectiveaboutcancerisDougKaufmanandanotherguycalledA.V.CostantiniwhowroteabookcalledFungalBionics.Ibroughtthisyearsago.

RonHunninghake: I'vereadit.


DaveAsprey: You'vereadit.Okay,you'reoneofthefewpeople.Iboughtitfromhisdaughter.I'vehadtomailitfromGermanywhenitfirstcameoutbecauseitwasjustunavailable.

RonHunninghake: Wasn'titcalledtheGermanthatCausesCancer?

DaveAsprey: CostantiniwroteaseriescalledFungalBionicslikehowmoldtoxins,microtoxinstriggercancer,heartdiseaseanddiabetesandbreastcancerandprostatecancer,abunchofotherthingswithtensofthousandsofreferenceslikeunimaginableamountofworksayinghereisthesmokinggun.NotthatallcanceriscausedbythisbutbetweenCostantini'sworkandDougKaufman'sworkwherehewroteabookCancerisaFungus,someofthesehardtumorsorsomeofthemactually,youtalkaboutyeastmetabolism.AresomeofthemactuallyjustlikefungalinfectionsthatrespondtovitaminC?

RonHunninghake: Youknowwhat,whenyoulookatlungcancerchestx-raystheylooklikefungalballs…

DaveAsprey: Theydo.

RonHunninghake: …attheirmetastases.I'vehadseveralpatientswhowerediagnosedaslungcancerandweputthemonIVvitaminCandtheircancerhasgottenbetter.Maybeitwasn'tevencancerinthefirstplace.Itmayhavejustbeenfungalinfections.

DaveAsprey: IfIhadcancerrightnowiwoulddoallthediagnosticworkandallthatbutoneofthethingsIwouldstronglyconsiderwouldbeacourseofaggressiveantifungalsjustincasebecausethere'salinkthere.IwouldalsobedoingIVvitaminCthewholetimeunlessIwasdoingIVozonewhichshouldbetheotherprimarything.

RonHunninghake: Well,Idon'tknowifyou'reawareofitbutDr.LevyandIhavedevelopedasequencecalled[ascorbezone00:52:32]…

DaveAsprey: Dotell.

RonHunninghake: …wherewedoultravioletbloodirradiationwithozoneinthemorningandthenintheafternoonwedoIVvitaminCandthenafterthatwedoIVglutathione.We'reusingitmostlywithLymediseasepatientsbutIthinkitcouldbeapplicabletoanychronicillness.

It'searlystageusingthesequenceofredoxbombardmentstotrytohelpresetthebody.

DaveAsprey: Wow,Iamtrulyblownaway.Thatsequencesoundsliketherightthingtodo.Forpeoplelistening,whenyoucanincreasetheamountofstressonacellfora


littlewhilewiththeseoxidativemolecules,rememberoxidationandreducing,they'reoppositesidesofthebattery,youneedthembothoritdoesn'twork.

It'slikeintermittentfastingorhigh-intensitytrainingbutit'sonacellularlevel.Theoneswhocan'thang,theydieandtheonewhocan'thangthosearethecancercells,thosearethepre-cancercells.ThenwhenyoubringalloftheseamazingantioxidantsinliketheglutathionelikethevitaminC,well,whathappensthenistheoneswhogotweakbecomesstronger.

Thisisclassicalhormesis.Whatdoesn'tkillmemakesmestrongerandthat'sabrillianttherapy.IfIwasdealingwithsomechronicstuffrightnowIwouldbesigningupforthatbecauseImeanlet'sfaceit,itlookslikeitshouldwork.

RonHunninghake: TheotherthingthatwedowiththeIVvitaminC,wetrytogetthemupto75grams.Wedothefirsthalffastwhichismoreapro-oxidanteffect,secondhalfslowwhichismoreoftheantioxidant.

We'regettingthatupanddownredoxinginordertogetthebodytoheal.

DaveAsprey: Thatleadstoaquestion.Peoplearenowlisteningtothisgoing,A,Idon'thavecancerbutshouldIgetanIVvitaminConceamonthprophylacticallybecauseit'sprobablygoodforme?Whatdoyouthink?

RonHunninghake: Thechairmanofourboard,Mr.VerneHarnishwho'swellknowninentrepreneurialcircles,hedoesthat.He'sbeendoingitforthelast20yearsandhe'sneversickandhetravelsallovertheworldintheairplane.HehasplacessetupwhereverhegoestodoIVvitaminCandthat'sourgoalistocreateaworldwidenetworkofIVvitaminCproviderswhohavebeentrainedtogiveitappropriatelyandwhocangiveitsoyoudon'thavetogoinandbecomea…thewholenewprocessofbecomingapatient.

We'rereallytryingtomimicwhattheJapanesehavedone.They'vegotanetworkallthroughoutJapansoifyoubelongoneplace,youbelongeveryplace.

DaveAsprey: That'sareallygoodidea.IamworkingontheBulletproofLabsopeningrightnextdoortotheBulletproofcoffeeshopinSantaMonicaandwehaveanIVroomthereplannedbecauseyoudon'tneedtobetreatedasapatientalthoughlegallythere'ssomestuffyouhavetodo,butwe'renotdiagnosingortreating.Thesearesupportivetherapiesforpeoplewhoaren'tworkingoutandthingslike.

Ifyouhavecancerandyouwantsupportivetherapy,wedon'tneedtoknowyouhavecancer,youcantellusbuttheideathereisthatthisisn'tatreatmentforsomething.It'saresiliencethingthateveryonecanbenefitfrom.


Peoplearenowgoing,"God,yetanotherthingthatcostmoney."HowmuchisatypicalvitaminCinfusionaroundtheUSoraroundtheworld?

RonHunninghake: Ifyoudoa25gram,you'reprobablygoingtospendabout$120andifyoudohigheritgoesupto150,170.Kindofliketake100,take100,andthenhowevermanygramsyouget,addthatamounttothe100.Ifit's75grams,it'sprobably175.

DaveAsprey: That'sinlinewithoneortwomassagesdependingonwhatcityyoulivein,maybethreemassages,ifyouhavelikethecheapplaceinthestripmall.Comparedtowhatpeoplewillspendonanicedinnerwithabottleofwine,it'snotunaffordabledependingonwhereyourprioritiesareoritmaybesomethingthatyouonlywanttodoifyou'rereallysick.

IgetaMyerscocktailthatcontainssomevitaminCandintravenousvitaminsprobablytwiceamonthalongwiththeglutathionepushandItakemyownglutathioneorallyinmostdaysbutnoteverydaybecauseIliketohavesomedayswherethere'shighoxidation.

Thisisaworthwhilethingtodoifit'swithinreasonandwetalkedaboutdosing.You'resayingifpeoplearefeelingunwelltheyshouldtakevitaminC.Questionthere,SteveFowkes,theguywhowrotethebookwithWardDean,TheSmartDrugsandNutrientsII,Steve'sagoodfriend,hetalksaboutthedoseresponsecurvefororalvitaminC.

Ifyou'regettingacold,theoldroutinewasdrinksomeorangejuicewhichisBS.VitaminCandcolds,Steve'sperspectiveisyougottotakeitalmosttothepointwhereyou'regoingtopoopyourselfinordertogetresultsforacoldwhenyoutakeitorally,trueorfalse?

RonHunninghake: True.That'sDr.Cathcart's,he'sdonepapersonthiswherehelike,forexample,mono,heconsidered100-gramillness.Acoldwasa60-gramillness.

DaveAsprey: Orally,60gramsorIV?

RonHunninghake: Orally.Keepinmindthatwhenyou'resickyoucantakeawholelotmorevitaminC.Yourgutwillletitbeabsorbedalotbetter.He'sgotapaperonthat.Idon'tknowwhere.I'msureyoucanGoogleit.IthinktheVitaminCFoundationhashispaperonitwhereyoucanactuallyfigureoutdependingonwhatillnessyou'vegot,whatdoseyoushouldprobablybetakingorally.

DaveAsprey: Okay.I'vegotonemorequestionforyoubecauseIknowyou'vegotpatientslookingforyou.

Finalquestionis,ifsomeonecameheretomorrowandsaid,"Look,IwanttoperformbetterateverythingthatIdoinmylife."Parenting,beingagoodhuman,exercising,whatever,whatarethethreemostimportantthingsthey


needtoknow?NotjustaboutvitaminCbutjustbasedonthepathyou'velead,threemoreimportant.

RonHunninghake: Yougottoeattherightfoods,numberone.Yougottogetgoodsleep,Ithink.Ithinksleepisveryimportant,andthenthere'refiveorthomolecularnutrients.There'svitaminC,vitaminD,magnesium,iodineandthenthemethylatingBvitamins.

DaveAsprey: They'reallinmytop10list.Loveit.

RonHunninghake: Okay,allright,verygood.

DaveAsprey: Sogood.Thankyousomuch,RonHunninghake.Wherecanpeoplefindoutmoreaboutyourclinicandaboutyourbooks?

RonHunninghake: Riordan,R-I-O-R-D-A-N,clinic.orgisourwebsite.YoucanYouTubeRiordanClinicandwe'vegotprobably200videosoflecturesthatI'vegivenatourconferences.They'repostedthere.ThoseareprobablythebestwaysandourRiordanClinicwebsitehasabout25yearsofnewslettersthatyoucanaccesswithreallygoodarticlesofwhatwe'vebeentalkingaboutsincethefoundingoftheclinicin1975.We're41yearsoldnowandI'vebeenhere27yearssoit'sreallyagreatplace.

DaveAsprey: Thanksforyourworkandforourlisteners,ifyou'relookingforthatreallyhigh-endcarewithanattentiontooxidativetherapyit'shardtobeattheRiordanClinic.We'vetalkedaboutsomeofthelegendsinthefieldtoday.You'veactuallyworkedwiththemandthanksagainfortheworkyou'redoingeverydaywithpatients.Ithinkyou'remakingahugedifference.

RonHunninghake: Well,Dave,thankyouforhavingmeonmyshow.We'retryingtogetthewordoutandweappreciateallyoudotohelppeopleliveahigh-performancelife.

Speaker1: Awesome.HaveagreatdayandI'llletyougoworkwithyournextpatient.Thanks.

Ifyouenjoyedtoday'spodcastasmuchasIdid,thatwaskindoffuntotalkaboutvitaminC.IwouldloveitifyoujusttookasecondandwenttoiTunesandjustleaveareview.Giveusfivestarsandletpeopleknowthatthisisworththeirtime.There'sactualinformationineveryoneoftheseepisodes.Ifocusoninterviewingthesemaverickscientists,thesepeoplewhoaredoingworkthatyou'veprobablyneverheardofthat'schangingpeople'slivesinamajorway.

There'retonsofthingsyouprobablydidn'tknowabout,somethingassimpleasvitaminC.Nowyouknowhowtouseit,howtotakeitandwhattodoifsomeoneyouknowhascancer,thatvitaminCcouldmakeadifferenceaswellasatonofothercoolreferences.


Linkstoeverythingyouwantisintheshownotes.Ifyoucouldjustsaythanksbydoingthat,I'dappreciateitandyoucansupporttheshowandsupporttheworkthatIdotoreachouttopeoplelikeDr.RonHunninghakejustbyleavingreviewsandbymakingsureyougetthegoodstuff.Thankyou.

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