AGENDA NFPA Technical Committee on Health Care Occupancies
NFPA 101 and NFPA 5000 Second Draft Meeting Wednesday-Friday, June 26-28, 2013
DoubleTree Hotel San Diego Downtown 1646 Front Street
San Diego, California
1. Call to Order. Call meeting to order by Chair David Klein at 8:00 a.m. on Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at the Double Tree by Hilton Hotel, San Diego, California.
2. Self-introduction of Committee Members and Guests. For a current committee roster, see pg. 3.
3. Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes. Approve the August 15-17, 2012 meeting minutes, pg. 7.
4. The New Process. See handouts from PowerPoint presentation, pg. 11.
5. Definitions Task Group. See pg. 22.
6. Hazardous Materials Task Group. See pg. 23.
7. Home Health Care Study (and Misc. Items). The task group consisting of Ken Bush –
Chair, Tom Jaeger, Pete Larrimer, and Saundra Stevens was retained on the agenda.
8. Making Ambulatory Health Care Chapters Self-Standing. The task group consisting of Bill Koffel – Chair, Mike Crowley, Mike Gencarelli, Philip Hoge and Brian Prediger was retained on the agenda.
9. NFPA 101 Second Draft (formerly ROC) Preparation. Public Comments to be distributed before the meeting date.
10. NFPA 5000 Second Draft (formerly ROC) Preparation. Public Comments to be
distributed before the meeting date.
11. Other Business.
12. Adjournment.
Enclosures
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Address List No PhoneHealth Care Occupancies SAF-HEA
Safety to Life
Ron Coté03/29/2013
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David P. Klein
ChairUS Department of Veterans Affairs810 Vermont Avenue, NW, Suite 800Mail Code: (10NA8)Washington, DC 20420Alternate: Peter A. Larrimer
U 11/2/2006SAF-HEA
Ron Coté
Secretary (Staff-Nonvoting)National Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy, MA 02169-7471
1/1/1991
SAF-HEA
Kenneth E. Bush
PrincipalMaryland State Fire Marshals Office301 Bay Street, Lower LevelEaston, MD 21601International Fire Marshals AssociationAlternate: Charles J. Giblin III
E 1/1/1978SAF-HEA
Wayne G. Carson
PrincipalCarson Associates, Inc.35 Horner Street, Suite 120Warrenton, VA 20186-3415Alternate: William E. Koffel
SE 1/1/1988
SAF-HEA
Michael A. Crowley
PrincipalThe RJA Group, Inc.Rolf Jensen & Associates, Inc.8827 West Sam Houston Parkway NorthSuite 150Houston, TX 77040Alternate: William M. Dorfler
SE 1/1/1985SAF-HEA
Samuel S. Dannaway
PrincipalS. S. Dannaway Associates, Inc.720 Iwilei Road, Suite 412Honolulu, HI 96817-5316American Society of Safety EngineersAlternate: Joshua W. Elvove
SE 1/16/2003
SAF-HEA
Buddy Dewar
PrincipalNational Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc.200 West College AvenueTallahassee, FL 32301Alternate: Robert G. Kleinheinz
M 10/23/2003SAF-HEA
Alice L. Epstein
PrincipalCNA InsuranceTen Town Plaza, Suite 208Durango, CO 81301
I 8/5/2009
SAF-HEA
Douglas S. Erickson
PrincipalNorthstar Management Company10280 Sunset Office Drive, Suite 200St. Louis, MO 63127American Society for Healthcare EngineeringAlternate: Chad E. Beebe
U 1/1/1982SAF-HEA
Martin J. Farraher
PrincipalSiemens Industry, Inc.5075 Houston RoadRockford, IL 61109Alternate: Peter W. Tately
M 08/09/2012
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John E. Fishbeck
PrincipalThe Joint CommissionOne Renaissance BoulevardOakbrook Terrace, IL 60181
E 4/1/1996SAF-HEA
Gary Furdell
PrincipalState of FloridaAgency for Healthcare Administration4347 South Canal CircleNorth Fort Myers, FL 33903Alternate: James R. Stuckey
E 8/5/2009
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Michael O. Gencarelli
PrincipalUS Department of the NavyNAVFAC HQ: Medical Facilities Design Office (MDFO)1322 Patterson Avenue, Suite 1000Washington, DC 20374
E 8/9/2011SAF-HEA
Robert J. Harmeyer
PrincipalMSKTD & Associates930 North Meridian StreetIndianapolis, IN 46204American Institute of Architects
SE 10/20/2010
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Donald W. Harris
PrincipalCalifornia Office of Health Planning & DevelopmentFacilities Development Division1600 9th Street, Room 420Sacramento, CA 95814
E 7/12/2001SAF-HEA
David R. Hood
PrincipalRussell Phillips & Associates, LLC500 Cross Keys Office ParkFairport, NY 14550-3507NFPA Health Care SectionAlternate: A. Richard Fasano
U 4/14/2005
SAF-HEA
Richard M. Horeis
PrincipalHDR Architecture, Inc.8404 Indian Hills DriveOmaha, NE 68114
SE 10/20/2010SAF-HEA
Henry Kowalenko
PrincipalIllinois Department of Public HealthOffice of Health Care Regulation525 West Jefferson Street, 4th FloorSpringfield, IL 62761
E 3/4/2009
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James Merrill II
PrincipalUS Department of Health & Human ServicesCenters for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS)7500 Security Boulevard, M/S S2-12-25Balitmore, MD 21133US Dept. of Health & Human Services/CMSCMSAlternate: Kenneth Sun
E 3/2/2010SAF-HEA
Daniel J. O'Connor
PrincipalAon Fire Protection Engineering1000 Milwaukee Avenue, 5th FloorGlenview, IL 60025-2423Alternate: Dale D. Wilson
I 1/1/1991
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Ben Pethe
PrincipalHealth Care Consultant3224 Fountain BoulevardTampa, FL 33609
SE 10/20/2010SAF-HEA
G. Brian Prediger
PrincipalU.S. Army Medical Command HeadquartersDirector, Facilities Engineering Division2748 Worth Road, Suite 22Fort Sam Houston, TX 78234Alternate: Philip J. Hoge
U 7/24/1997
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John A. Rickard
PrincipalKatus, LLC5838 Balcones Drive, Suite BAustin, TX 78731-4206
SE 8/2/2010SAF-HEA
Richard Jay Roberts
PrincipalHoneywell Life Safety3825 Ohio AvenueSt. Charles, IL 60174Automatic Fire Alarm Association, Inc.
M 10/20/2010
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Eric R. Rosenbaum
PrincipalHughes Associates, Inc.3610 Commerce Drive, Suite 817Baltimore, MD 21227-1652American Health Care AssociationAlternate: Doug Beardsley
U 03/07/2013SAF-HEA
Terry Schultz
PrincipalCode Consultants, Inc.2043 Woodland Parkway, Suite 300St. Louis, MO 63146-4235
SE 7/23/2008
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Saundra J. Stevens
PrincipalAdams County Regional Medical Center230 Medical Center DriveSeaman, OH 45679
U 10/27/2009SAF-HEA
Geza Szakats
PrincipalArup North America Ltd.560 Mission Street, 7th FloorSan Francisco, CA 94105Alternate: John E. Mahoney
SE 8/2/2010
SAF-HEA
Michael D. Widdekind
PrincipalZurich Services CorporationRisk Engineering112 Andrew CourtCentreville, MD 21617
I 1/14/2005SAF-HEA
Fred Worley
PrincipalTexas Department of Aging & Disability ServicesLong Term Care Regulatory DivisionPO Box 149030, Mail Code E-250Austin, TX 78714
E 03/05/2012
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Doug Beardsley
AlternateCare Providers of Minnesota7851 Metro Parkway, Suite 200Bloomington, MN 55425American Health Care AssociationPrincipal: Eric R. Rosenbaum
U 7/23/2008SAF-HEA
Chad E. Beebe
AlternateASHE - AHAPO Box 5756Lacey, WA 98509-5756American Society for Healthcare EngineeringPrincipal: Douglas S. Erickson
U 03/05/2012
SAF-HEA
William M. Dorfler
AlternateThe RJA Group, Inc.Rolf Jensen & Associates, Inc.600 West Fulton Street, Suite 500Chicago, IL 60661-1241Principal: Michael A. Crowley
SE 3/15/2007SAF-HEA
Joshua W. Elvove
Alternate3478 South Cimarron WayAurora, CO 80014-3912American Society of Safety EngineersPrincipal: Samuel S. Dannaway
SE 7/14/2004
SAF-HEA
A. Richard Fasano
AlternateRussell Phillips & Associates Inc.8788 Elk Grove BoulevardBldg. 3, Suite 12-HElk Grove, CA 95624NFPA Health Care SectionPrincipal: David R. Hood
U 8/5/2009SAF-HEA
Charles J. Giblin III
AlternateMaryland State Fire Marshal’s Office1201 Reisterstown RoadPikesville, MD 21208International Fire Marshals AssociationPrincipal: Kenneth E. Bush
E 03/07/2013
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Address List No PhoneHealth Care Occupancies SAF-HEA
Safety to Life
Ron Coté03/29/2013
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Philip J. Hoge
AlternateUS Army Corps of EngineersHumphreys Engineer CenterKingman Building, Suite 3MX7701 Telegraph RoadAlexandria, VA 22315-3813Principal: G. Brian Prediger
U 10/20/2010SAF-HEA
Robert G. Kleinheinz
AlternateNational Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc.509 Dawes StreetLibertyville, IL 60048Principal: Buddy Dewar
M 08/09/2012
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William E. Koffel
AlternateKoffel Associates, Inc.8815 Centre Park Drive, Suite 200Columbia, MD 21045-2107Principal: Wayne G. Carson
SE 1/1/1991SAF-HEA
Peter A. Larrimer
AlternateUS Department of Veterans Affairs323 North Shore Drive, Suite 400Pittsburgh, PA 15212Principal: David P. Klein
U 11/2/2006
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John E. Mahoney
AlternateArup1120 Connecticut Avenue NW, Suite 200Washington, DC 20036Principal: Geza Szakats
SE 08/09/2012SAF-HEA
James R. Stuckey
AlternateState of FloridaAgency for Healthcare Administration114 Tropicana DrivePunta Gorda, FL 33950-5020Principal: Gary Furdell
E 03/05/2012
SAF-HEA
Kenneth Sun
AlternateUS Public Health ServiceCenters for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS)1600 Broadway, Suite 700Denver, CO 80202US Dept. of Health & Human Services/CMSCMSPrincipal: James Merrill II
E 3/2/2010SAF-HEA
Peter W. Tately
AlternateSiemens Building Technologies927 Nottingham RoadPottstown, PA 19465Principal: Martin J. Farraher
M 10/27/2009
SAF-HEA
Dale D. Wilson
AlternateAon Fire Protection Engineering1000 Milwaukee Avenue, 5th FloorGlenview, IL 60025-2423Principal: Daniel J. O'Connor
I 08/09/2012SAF-HEA
Pichaya Chantranuwat
Nonvoting MemberFusion Consultants Co. Ltd/Thailand81/55 Soi Phumijit, Rama 4 RoadPrakanong, KlontoeyBangkok, 10110 Thailand
SE 1/18/2001
SAF-HEA
David M. Sine
Nonvoting MemberNational Center for Patient Safety209 West SummitAnn Arbor, MI 48103National Association of Psychiatric Health Systems
U 1/1/1989SAF-HEA
Ron Coté
Staff LiaisonNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy, MA 02169-7471
1/1/1991
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BLD/SAF-HEA 8-2012 FIRST DRAFT Meeting Minutes / Page 1
NFPA Technical Committee on Health Care Occupancies NFPA 101 and NFPA 5000 FIRST DRAFT MEETING MINUTES
Wednesday-Friday August 15-17, 2012 St. Louis Union Station Marriott
St. Louis, Missouri
1. Call to Order. The meeting was called to order by Chair David Klein at 8:00 a.m. on August 15, 2012 at the St. Louis Union Station Marriot, St. Louis, Missouri.
2. Introduction of Committee Members and Guests.
TECHNICAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT
NAME COMPANY David P. Klein, Chair US Department of Veterans Affairs Ron Cote, Nonvoting Secretary National Fire Protection Association James R. Ambrose Alt. to Terry Schultz
Code Consultants, Inc.
Kenneth E. Bush, Principal Maryland State Fire Marshal’s Office Michael A. Crowley, Principal The RJA Group, Inc. Samuel S. Dannaway, Principal S.S. Dannaway Associates, Inc.
Rep: American Society of Safety Engineers Buddy Dewar, Principal National Fire Sprinkler Association Inc. Alice L. Epstein, Principal CNA Insurance Douglas S. Erickson, Principal Northstar Management Company
Rep: American Society for Healthcare Engineering
Martin J. Farraher, Principal Siemens Industry A. Richard Fasano Alt. to David R. Hood
Russell Phillips & Associates Inc.
John E. Fishbeck, Principal The Joint Commission Gary Furdell, Principal State of Florida Agency for Healthcare Admin. Michael O. Gencarelli, Principal US Department of the Navy Robert J. Harmeyer, Principal MSKTD & Associates Philip J. Hoge Alt. to G. Brian Prediger
US Army Corps of Engineers
David R. Hood, Principal Russell Philips & Associates, LLC NFPA Health Care Section
Richard M. Horeis, Principal HDR Architecture, Inc. Thomas W. Jaeger, Principal Jaeger and Associates, LLC
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Rep: American Health Care Association William Koffel Alt. to Wayne G. Carson
Koffel Associates, Inc.
Henry Kowalenko, Principal Illinois Department of Public Health Peter A. Larrimer Alt. to David P. Klein
US Dept. of Veterans Affairs
Daniel J. O’Connor, Principal Aon Fire Protection Engineering G. Brian Prediger, Principal US Army Medical Command Headquarters John A. Rickard, Principal Katus, LLC Richard Jay Roberts, Principal Honeywell Life Safety
Rep: Automatic Fire Alarm Association, Inc. Terry Schultz, Principal Code Consultants, Inc. Saundra J. Stevens, Principal Adams County Regional Medical Center James R. Stuckey Alt. to Gary Furdell
State of Florida Agency for Healthcare Administration
Geza Szakats, Principal Arup North America Ltd. Michael D. Widdekind, Principal Zurich Services Coporation Fred Worley, Principal Texas Dept. of Aging & Disability Services
GUESTS
NAME COMPANY Amy Carpenter Lethardt Rodgers/Pioneer Network Josh Elvove GSA Dan Finnegan Siemens Tracy Golinveaux National Fire Protection Association Gregory Harrington National Fire Protection Association Sarah Rice The Preview Group Masoud Sabounchi Advanced Consulting Engs. Burt Singleton Advanced Consulting Engs.
TECHNICAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS NOT PRESENT
NAME COMPANY Donald W. Harris, Principal California Office of Health Planning & Dev. James Merrill II, Principal US Dept. Of Health & Human Services
Rep: US Dept. of Health & Human Services/CMS
Ben Pethe, Principal Health Care Consultant
3. Approval of Prior Meeting Minutes. The October 19-20, 2010 meeting minutes were
approved as written and distributed. The July 26, 2012 meeting minutes were approved as written and distributed.
4. The New Process Review. Staff liaison Ron Coté used the PowerPoint presentation,
included in the agenda, to detail the new revision process.
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5. TIA on Smoke Alarms for Spaces Open to Kitchen. Draft language assigned to task group for overnight work: Tom Jaeger – Chair, Ken Bush, Sam Dannaway, Pete Larrimer, Dan O’Connor, and Richard Roberts. Task group reports received later in meeting. Motion carried by unanimous vote to send TIA to an expedited ballot using the dual-column format with Chapters 18 and 19 appearing side-by-side. Similar First Revisions drafted for NFPA 101-2015 and NFPA 5000-2015. Task group discharged.
6. Risk-Based Occupancy Task Group. The task group consisting of John Rickard –
Chair, Ken Bush, Mike Crowley, Buddy Dewar, David Hood, Tom Jaeger, Bill Koffel, Ben Pethe, and Saundra Stevens reported. The subject relates more to board and care occupancies than health care occupancies. It needs to be addressed more based on the procedure performed, and not an occupancy name. The task group provided no recommendations for future work. Task group discharged.
7. Person-Directed / Person-Centered Care. John Rickard reported. Related subjects, like
exercise room in physical therapy and disguising of doors, addressed via First Revisions. Task group discharged.
8. Home Health Care Study (and Misc. Items). Task group consisting of Ken Bush –
Chair, Tom Jaeger, Pete Larrimer, and Saundra Stevens reported. There are plenty of fire statistics for residential occupancy cooking fires, but little for health care occupancies. UL 300A is not yet a full UL standard. The task group will continue to monitor the subjects. Retain task group on agenda.
9. Antifreeze Sprinkler Systems. Buddy Dewar reported. NFPA Standards Council acted
on nine related TIAs at its August meeting. Results yet to be announced. Drop subject from agenda.
10. Maximum Permitted Suite Size. Mike Crowley reported. The subject had been
mislabeled and deals with smoke compartment size, not suite size. Public Input on the subject was to be addressed later in the meeting. Drop subject from agenda.
11. Correlation between NFPA 101 Chapters 18-21 and NFPA 5000 Chapters 19-20.
The task group consisting of Mike Crowley – Chair, Chad Beebe, Tom Jaeger, Henry Kowalenko, Jim Lathrop and Dan O’Connor submitted its report in the form of many Public Inputs (PI). The PI were addressed during the meeting and First Revisions drafted. Task group discharged.
12. Revision of Suite Requirements. Based on the need to address the suite PIs submitted by Pete Larrimer, a task group was formed, to work overnight, consisting of Pete Larrimer – Chair, Sam Dannaway, Philip Hoge and Saundra Stevens. The task group reported later in the meeting. Issues resolved and First Revisions drafted. Task group discharged.
13. Correlating Committees’ Directives. Mike Crowley agreed to study overnight if there are requirements in definitions that need addressing. Brian Prediger and Mike Gencarelli agreed to study overnight if annex material needs updating or deletion. Later in the meeting, the groups reported and First Revisions were drafted to address the issues. Relative to the Correlating Committees’ requests to make the AHC provisions self-standing, see item 14 below. Drop subject from agenda.
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14. Making Ambulatory Health Care Chapters Self-Standing. The Correlating Committees requested that the ambulatory health care chapters be made self-standing without need to reference the business occupancy chapters. Working from staff-generated drafts, First Revisions were prepared. Task Group formed to study the changes in advance of the Second Draft preparation meeting, and to submit Public Comments: Bill Koffel – Chair, Mike Crowley, Mike Gencarelli, Philip Hoge and Brian Prediger. Retain task group on agenda.
15. NFPA 101 First Draft Preparation. Public Input answered and First Revisions drafted.
16. NFPA 5000 First Draft Preparation. Public Input answered and First Revisions drafted.
17. Other Business. Various issues were raised and discussed; First Revisions or Committee Input drafted for some of the following: • Projections in existing 4-ft wide corridors • Smoke compartment size • Ambulatory health care occupant load factor • Ambulatory health care decorations • Protecting ambulatory health care hazardous areas • Moving ABHR dispenser provisions out of hazardous area requirements • Exempting mixed occupancies from separation from other occupancies • FM 6921 containers for trash • Expanded annex on suite supervision methods • Hyperbaric facility referenced standard • Transfer grille prohibition in corridor walls • Flush bolts for inactive corridor door leaf • Consistency in vision panel provisions for doors and walls
18. Future Meeting. The committee agreed to meet for two-full days for Second Draft
preparation. The meeting is tentatively scheduled for June 26-27, 2013.
19. Adjournment. On Wednesday August 15, the meeting was recessed at 5:00 p.m. The meeting was reconvened on Thursday, August 16 at 7:30 a.m. and recessed at 5:05 p.m. The meeting was reconvened on Friday, August 17 at 7:30 a.m. and adjourned at 12:55 p.m.
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Technical Committee on Health Care OccupanciesEnforcer, 8 Members: 28%Insurance, 3 Members: 10%Manufacturer 3 Members: 10%Manufacturer, 3 Members: 10%Special Expert, 9 Members: 31%User, 6 Members: 21%Consumer, 0 Members: 0%Installer/Maintainer, 0 Members: 0%Labor, 0 Members: 0%
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Comment Stage (Second Draft):Public Comment Closing Date: 05/03/2013Second Draft Meeting: TodayPosting of Second Draft for TC Balloting: 08/23/2013Posting of Second Draft for TC Balloting: 08/23/2013Posting of Second Draft for NITMAM: 01/03/2014
Tech Session Preparation:NITMAM Closing Date: 02/07/2014NITMAM /CAM Posting Date: 04/04/2014NFPA Annual Meeting: 06/09-12/2014 (Las Vegas)
Standards Council Issuance: Issuance of Documents with CAM: 08/14/2014 edition date
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Changes in Terms:New Term Old Term
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Public Comment Public Comment
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Second RevisionCommittee Comment or Accepted
Public Comment
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Second Draft Report ROC
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Committee develops a Committee Statement (CS) substantiating the change
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If No, the change appears as a Committee Comment (rejected) and the Second Draft text reverts to previous edition
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From: Cote, RonSent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:33 PMTo: Bigda, Kristin; Harrington, Greg; Fraser, Allan; Vecchiarelli, TracyCc: Solomon, RobertSubject: SAF Agenda Item for Second Draft Meetings
Please add the subject of Definitions to each SAF/BLD technical committee Second Draft meeting agenda for which you serve as staff liaison. Each Technical Committee chair is asked to identify a member to serve on the definitions task group. The Minutes item from the SAF-AAC Correlating Committee’s November 6, 2012 meeting follows:
Definitions. The committee agreed to have each defined term assigned to a specific technical committee so that committee would have responsibility for the maintenance and revision of such term. A task group is to be formed after the Second Draft meetings of the current revision cycle. The task group will report to the Correlating Committee (CC) its recommendations for the definitions assignments in time for the CC to review the recommendations at its first meeting of the 2018 revision cycle. Each Technical Committee chair is asked to identify a member to serve on the task group.
Allan and Tracy, the BLD-AAC Correlating Committee asked that same be done by the NFPA 5000 TCs. Ron Coté, P.E. Principal Life Safety Engineer NFPA - Quincy, MA USA
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From: Cote, RonSent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:43 PMTo: Bigda, Kristin; Harrington, Greg; Fraser, Allan; Vecchiarelli, TracyCc: Solomon, RobertSubject: Hazardous Materials - Agenda Item
Please add the subject of Hazardous Areas to each SAF/BLD technical committee Second Draft meeting agenda for which you serve as staff liaison. Each Technical Committee is asked to decide whether it wants to participate in a task group on the subject of hazardous materials. The Minutes item from the SAF-AAC Correlating Committee’s November 6, 2012 meeting follows:
Hazardous Materials. Jeff Tubbs raised the issue of whether NFPA 101 should address hazardous materials (as done in NFPA 5000 Chapter 34). The committee noted that health hazards are not within the scope of NFPA 101. Conflicts exist among the NFPA codes. It was agreed to:
o Add the subject of hazardous materials to the agenda for all NFPA 101 technical committee Second Draft meetings
o Gather comments from each technical committee including whether it wants to participate in a task group on the subject of hazardous materials
o Report results to the Correlating Committee at its Second Draft review meeting o Ask the Standards Council, after the Correlating Committee’s Second Draft meeting, to
establish a task group from the membership of the NFPA 1, 30, 101, 400 and 5000 committees to address conflicts and overlapping requirements related to hazardous materials
Allan and Tracy, the BLD-AAC Correlating Committee asked that same be done by the NFPA 5000 TCs. Ron Coté, P.E. Principal Life Safety Engineer NFPA - Quincy, MA USA
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