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Attachments to:- “Response to Charles Douglas Riegert's Statement of Circumstances and Allegations”, 29 December 2008,

Attachments to:- “Response to Charles Douglas Rieger t's Statement of Circumstances and Allegations”, 29 December 2008.

Attachment 1 Letter from AAA National President, Mr John Crone.


Attachment 2 Witness report signed by two separate people, received 8 September 2005.


Attachment 3 Report by AAAWA Drycasting State Captain Bob Henderson.


Attachment 4 Email from Joe Pullella, WA Men’s Team member at Yeppoon


Attachment 5 Letter from Sam Benjamin, New Zealand Casting Association President and Life Member.


Attachment 6 Extract from Minutes of Surf Casting and Angling Club Committee Meeting, 21 September 2005

Minutes of Committee Meeting, 21 September 2005 (Ex tracts).

Present: George Holman, Terry Fuller, Paul Thompson, John Romano, Vix Alexander, Malcolm Harris,. Jim Yeates, Ian Cook

Apologies: Peter Stoeckel, Chas Riegert, Josh Lucocq. Meeting Opened: 8:00 pm Yeppoon AAA Championships . Malcolm Harris gave report on his observations at the double handed accuracy

competition for the seniors. Distance casting was conducted on the morning of the first day, and accuracy casting in the afternoon. There were four lanes available.

He observed a couple of Chas Riegert's casts which he threw long. Malcolm did not see any more of Chas' casts. He heard Chas calling out and Chas had words with the officials at the starting line. Chas cast again, with the same problem. Chas started swearing and abusing the official in the chair. Chas grabbed his chair and rod and stormed off. Nick Allsworth tried to stop him and reason with him but he would not listen, but headed off, threw the chair down and sat down with his head in his hands.

Nick had gone over and talked to him and persuaded him to come back, but he missed one cast. Next Malcolm heard is Chas voice again letting fly with another round of abuse to the scorers and the markers.

The letters from the John Crone, AAA National President, the handwritten letter signed by two people, the report from Bob Henderson, State Captain at Yeppoon and the letter from Sam Benjamin, New Zealand were read out.

John Romano said he had spoken to other Club members who had been to Yeppoon and the information obtained confirmed what had been said in the letters. Some club members have stated they would not attend future AAA Championships if Chas Riegert is a competitor.

Terry Fuller advised on the decision which had been made at the AAA Delegates meeting on 20 September. It in accordance with the request to AAA WA from John Crone, AAA National President to ensure that such behaviour did not occur again, AAA WA has passed a resolution that Chas Riegert will not be accepted for any State or National AAA event in the future. This decision had been made because AAA WA believes this is the only possible way that they can ensure there is no repetition of such problems.

There was some discussion about what action could and should be taken by the Club, and how it should be taken.

Section 12 of the Constitution gives the Committee powers. It is “Disciplinary Powers The Committee shall have full power to suspend, expel or impose any other penalty which it may deem fit upon any member of the Club who shall have in the opinion of the Committee, been guilty of any conduct, act, matter, practise or act conducive to or tending to cause ill feelings, friction or dissension amongst the members or reflects discredit on the reputation of the Club.”

It is clear from the reports and complaints that Chas’ actions have caused ill feelings, friction or dissension amongst the members and has reflected discredit on the reputation of the Club.

Chas has the right to be heard and natural justice must be followed. The club should gather the evidence, present the evidence to Chas, get Chas’ comments about his actions and the complaints, without entering into any discussion with him, and then the Committee should make a decision.

It seems that there are (at least) four options available for action:-

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1. Do nothing is always an option which must be considered. However in the light of the requests from AAA National President, and comments from SCAC club members, this “do nothing” option does not seem appropriate.

2. Chas Riegert can issue an apology for the actions which have been complained about, however that apology must be in a form which is actually accepted by the people who have complained about his actions. Considering the number and form of the complaints and the strength of the representations made about Chas’ actions at the dry casting, the chance of any apology being made and also accepted at this late stage must be considered extremely remote.

3. Chas Riegert can resign from the club, in which case the matter will be closed and no further information about the complaints or the reasons will formally be made available to people outside of the SCAC Committee other than the fact of the resignation.

4. The SCAC Committee can take any action it deems fit under section 12 of the Constitution. Chas Riegert can accept this decision, in which case no further information about the complaints or the reasons will formally be made available to people outside of the SCAC Committee other than the details of the decision. The Club Constitution does not allow for any appeal against such decisions made under section 12, however State or Commonwealth laws made since the Constitution was written may override the absence of the right of appeal. Should Chas wish to challenge or appeal any decision to the general membership of the club, or to any other forum, then all relevant information which led to the Committee’s decision would need to be made public to the club members or other forum so that the reasons for the Committee's decision can be explained and reviewed.

It was unanimously agreed by all Committee members present that Chas should not attend Club dry casting or Club general meetings until this matter has been discussed with him and resolved. President John Romano will contact Chas and request that he does not attend.

George Holman reported on the problems with the super vets team. Because not enough super vets entered, the organisers decided not to run the super vets competition. Bob Henderson entered Jim Strong and Trevor Stam as a second veterans team, however Jim Strong was entered as a reserve on the first veterans team and Trevor Stam's nomination was lost. When Trevor came to cast his name was not on the list and he was not allowed to cast. This was extremely disappointing for Trevor having trained and travelled and spent his money. This needs to be represented to AAA National to ensure that it never happens again.

Dry Casting Officer's Report. Dry casting report had been given at the General Meeting. Still need someone

to run the dry casting day. The AAA Dry Casting Championships will be held on 30 October. Nominations

will be required for individuals and teams for the State Dry Casting. An item to be placed in Reel Talk.

George Holman assisted by Peter Stoeckel will organise the dry casting. Bob Henderson will take over when he returns to Perth.

Reel Talk Editor’s Report: Terry Fuller asked for clarification of the continued comments about the contents of Reel Talk being “too political”. John Romano explained he had received some comments from some members but he was not prepared to name them. The questionnaire which is to be circulated soon has questions about the members preferences for the contents of Reel Talk, and their willingness to contribute articles.

AAA Report: George Holman said he had stepped down as President of AAA, but no one had stepped up to take the place. Very few people had nominated for positions on AAA.

The AAA Angler of the Year and Club of the Year presentations had been deferred because of the lack of workers.

Next Committee Meeting: Wed 19 October, Coolbinia West Perth Amateur Football and Sporting Club room, off Wordsworth Avenue, Yokine. Start time 8:00pm .

Meeting closed 10.15 pm


Attachment 7 Resignation from Surf Casting and Angling Club, Chas Riegert, 19 October 2005

SCAC RESIGNATION

During the 2005 AAA National Convention in Yeppoon I was involved in an unfortunate situation during the course of competition.

That this incident was promulgated by the actions of officials I have no doubt, however, I can only explain it by the diagnosis of my physician upon returning to Perth.

My greatest concern is the actions towards myself by other members of the WA Team attending, and of a committee member of the SCAC upon team members returning to Perth.

Firstly, the AAA Western Australia Branch (Inc) has sought to act against me outside the realms and authority of their own constitution. This is both defamatory and unlawful within their own framework. This I believe has been primarily on the insistence of two SCAC members.

From the time of the incident until they left, I felt ostracized by fellow team members.

I have heard from several sources rumour being spread about what actually happened and the actions that should be taken against me. The instigators insisting on permanent disbarment.

These actions by themselves are a breach of Section 12 of the SCAC Constitution and if but one person had the fortitude to substantiate their actions, then they should be dealt with in the severest manner as they propagate against me,

I originally joined the SCAC for its camaraderie and to participate in dry casting, this being the only Club that regularly cast. To this end I have spent many thousands of dollars developing equipment to suit this particular practice. In so doing I have challenged pre-conceived concepts and I believe been instrumental in taking the sport to another level.

To now be spoken about by members of this sport in the manner that I have heard is nothing less than sickening.

That persons I considered as friends have now cowardly struck their daggers into my back is a reflection on this Club and on this sport in Western Australia.

I can no longer accept to be part of such a group.

I therefore tender my resignation effective immediately and require that any outstanding monies from membership be returned as soon as possible to my home address.

My humblest apologies are extended to those very few who have remained loyal and true friends throughout this distasteful experience.

Chas Riegert

19 October 2005


Attachment 8 Extract from Minutes of Surf Casting and Angling Club Committee Meeting, 19 October 2005

Minutes of Committee Meeting, 19 October 2005 (Ext racts).

Present: George Holman, Terry Fuller, Paul Thompson, John Romano, Vix Alexander, Malcolm Harris, Jim Yeates, Ian Cook, Peter Stoeckel, Chas Riegert, Josh Lucocq.

Apologies: None.

Meeting Opened: 8:00 pm

Special Note:- This meeting was recorded on audio tape to allow the preparation of a complete transcript of all the discussions about the following special business. A complete transcript of all the statements has not yet been prepared, because of resignations part way through the meeting. Significant parts have been transcribed as below and are in quotation marks to indicate direct quotes in context.

Special Business:- Complaint against Chas Riegert and any action to be taken by SCAC as a member of the club.

As decided at the September SCAC Committee meeting, Chas had been provided with the statements and letters with written reports from other people.

Chas Riegert read his statement headed SCAC - Response to Allegations containing his version of the incident at Yeppoon and his response to some of the statements made in the written reports from other people. Copies were provided to Committee members.

At the previous Committee Meeting and at other discussions, John Romano had stressed the need to act according to the rules, gather and use evidence about the incident and the event and avoid acting on hearsay and innuendo.

John Romano outlined his findings from his investigations. There was considerable discussion on the way the Yeppoon competition was run, the handling of the issue at Yeppoon, including questions about what could and should have been done under the AAA rules, the limitations or deficiencies in the rules, the actions of officials, the way a protest was and should be handled, what action should be taken, and similar.

In opening the discussion on what decision the SCAC Committee should make, John Romano said he had thought about some recommendations which might keep all members. These are only recommendations and it was up to the Committee to decide.

Terry Fuller asked “Is it appropriate for Chas to be here while we discuss this”? John replied he thought it was because he had a few other issues to bring up before that. Terry then said “Well, then bring up the issues that are appropriate to bring up while Chas is here, and while we discuss what we do, I believe Chas should not be here.” John responded “OK then…. If you want to go that way”.

John Romano said "In dealing with many of these issues in the last couple of days, and the last couple of weeks has put a hell of a strain on people like you, Terry and myself.”

“I am going to make a statement and hopefully………” pause

“Prior to me becoming President of this club, and I am sorry to get off the subject but it has a lot to do with what is going on now, there were people asking for new blood to come into the club. Recently, I have felt that I have become a bit of a puppet, in the sense that some people are trying to pull strings in the way this club should be run.”

“For this reason I am about to resign tonight, but before I do, I will give you a

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few reasons why. It is the behaviour of some people around here which I have not been all that happy with.“

“It is also the manipulation that has gone on within the club and outside the club. From what I have received today, and this only came to me at 4:30 this afternoon I had an email from a person outside the club - here’s a copy (George you will get a copy later and Terry the same) who had a very large concern about the way things were done and it is the behaviour because of certain people that I am resigning tonight.“

“I am also going to be putting in one hell of a complaint to the new President, when elected, if that, and the main reason is that that sort of behaviour, and what they have done and how they go about it, are taking the issues personally rather than on fact. “

“If I am going to be running a club, I want the people helping me to be alongside of me and to do things fairly and appropriately and not taking things personally.”

“I have also just been handed a resignation of Chas Riegert which I duly accept. But as far as I am concerned, I no longer want to be part of this club while those members are in here. Thank you very much, everyone.”

George Holman asked John, if he feels strongly, to name the members, but John responded “why?”

After Terry asked why he did not get a copy of the email, John said because Terry could get one from one of the other members or John would send Terry an email directly the same way John had received it. Asked for clarification of his resignation, John responded “I am resigning from the Presidency and from the club altogether. I will not deal with people like that in this Club, I am sorry”

After obtaining a copy of the email from another committee member, Terry Fuller explained that the email was from Kevin Hughes who was a AAA delegate for the Bunbury club at the AAA meeting the previous night. John said Kevin tried to raise some points but he would not be heard, according to his email. Terry said he had a tape recording of the AAA meeting which would clearly show what actually was said and what had happened which was not as portrayed in Kevin's email. The tape was available and asked John if he wanted to listen to the tape before deciding what was or was not done at the AAA meeting.

John replied “no, I have already decided to resign, I have fifteen other reasons other than the two in particular that I have listed tonight. I have no (??word_unclear??) with the club when people start taking things into their own hands and start doing things in what I consider an inappropriate way. Some members have taken this far too far."

When asked to elaborate on these generalisations and give the committee and the club a proper explanation for his resignation, and name names, and amid Interjections from Committee members. John replied “no, I am not going to elaborate any further, I have heard some people…….there are two people who have been saying a lot of things and taking things personally. Unfortunately those two people are here in this committee room now.”

Terry Fuller said he was probably one of the people, and George Holman said he was probably the other. Terry explained he wears two hats, one being the AAA Secretary, the other being SCAC Secretary, and likewise George has a role in AAA. Terry explained what happened at the AAA meeting and how it needed to be handled under AAA rules as John had insisted should be done, and Terry reminded people about the tape to hear for themselves.

Committee members said they had come here specifically tonight to give Chas a fair hearing. John's resignation would prevent that, in fact would leave it unresolved.

John said "I have made up my mind, I am leaving, I am sorry this has left you in a lousy position. My feelings have been morally hurt so much that if I continue it is only going to get worse.”

Some members expressed disappointment that John had not given details of his concerns so that they could be discussed and addressed. There was considerable further discussion about this.

John was thanked by committee members for what he has done for the club. John then left the meeting.


There was some further discussion on lessons which need to be learnt from the incident at Yeppoon and what rules and procedures need to be in place in such events.

On a question of possible legal action, Chas has decided to resign for his own reasons, and thus it appeared that he would not have any grounds for legal action which might have arisen if he had been disciplined by the Club.

A letter of appreciation is to be sent to John Romano for all the work John has done.

It was agreed that Chas’ resignation would be advised to the members but his resignation letter would not be read out.

Terry Fuller moved George Holman seconded that balance of SCAC membership fees be repaid to John Romano and Chas Riegert. Carried.

There was some discussion about a comment that Committee members did not go out to talk to John Romano after he had left the meeting. Members were not aware he was still outside.

There was some discussion about “a culture in the club” of not supporting the workers.

Previous Committee Minutes: Moved Ian Cook seconded Malcolm Harris, previous minutes be accepted,

carried.

Dry Casting Officer's Report. Dry casting report had been given at the General Meeting. Still need someone to run the dry casting day.

The AAA Dry Casting Championships will be held on 30 October.

Next Committee Meeting: Wed 16 November, Coolbinia West Perth Amateur Football and Sporting Club

room, off Wordsworth Avenue, Yokine. Start time 8:00pm.

Meeting closed 10.40 pm


Attachment 9 Covering email 22 October 2007 from Terry Fuller to Malcolm Harris, President Surf Casting and Angling Club of WA (Inc) expressing concerns about proposed discussions with Chas Riegert.

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Attachment 10 Emailed letter 22 October 2007 from Terry Fuller to Malcolm Harris, President Surf Casting and Angling Club of WA (Inc) expressing concerns about proposed discussions with Chas Riegert.

Discussions with Chas Riegert.

Dear Malcolm This is a personal letter to you, it is not club correspondence. For important personal and strategic reasons I ask that this personal letter be kept confidential and be not passed on, please. I do not wish it to be seen by some club members whose loyalties appear to be divided or have not thought through the issues. Can you please contact me first if you believe other club members should be given access to this document, and I will arrange that myself. Confirming our recent telephone conversation and after some further thinking, I wish to document and clarify some points we discussed, and some others. All of this document needs to be read as a whole. My approach to the running of the Club. I made a very conscious decision when I stopped being a member of the SCAC Committee that I would not offer unsolicited advice on how to run the club or how to do any of the jobs, yet be willing to answer specific questions. However I reserve my rights as an ordinary club member to suggest or request actions, or move formal motions to be decided democratically by the members. I have prepared this document only because you approached me about the issue. My involvement with Chas Riegert’s current action. I am very busy at present and I have no time to, and no intention of, considering anything more about this matter for some weeks. I have no wish to or intention of being involved in discussions with Chas Riegert unless they are properly arranged and managed, or I am forced to be involved for legal reasons. Considering the allegations and statements made about my involvement so far, including that unavoidably as an elected Officer of the Club and AAA, I would require that it be made clear that any involvement was in response to a specific request from the Club, for example by correspondence with a specific request and recorded in the minutes. Identification of the issues, processes and outcome s. I believe the club needs a completely clear understanding of what issues Chas Riegert has with the club before there is any thought of “mediation” which has several different meanings. It is absolutely essential that Chas Riegert notifies ALL his issues in writing, with a clear statement that whatever he gives the club is the complete set of issues he wishes to have discussed and/or resolved. The club should examine whatever he provides, and get clarification in writing of any issues with what is presented or the way it is presented so that there is absolutely no ambiguity about the topics and the complete scope of them. The club people involved need to have a very clear understanding what sort of “mediation” would be used in any proposed exercise and what they expect to achieve, and what they are prepared to or may be forced to concede as an outcome. There is a real and significant risk of lots of side and irrelevant issues being brought into any discussions on this by some people within the Club and possibly by Chas Riegert. Initial threats. It is interesting that he feels the need to come on heavy at the very beginning with the threat of a caveat over the Kalbarri house before even discussing the issue with the club officially. I see that as very threatening and bullying behaviour not conducive to a cooperative response,


but based on my experience with Chas Riegert, I am not surprised by it. I believe the club should get legal advice whether he can place a caveat before reacting to or responding to that threat. Some thoughts. As an ordinary club member, I have to say that some of the discussions, statements and concerns I have heard myself or have been told about show a distinct lack of focus, reality, identification of the significant issues and strategic thinking. Should Mr Riegert claim discrimination, he would need to demonstrate that there is real and ongoing discrimination against him either as a visitor or as a potential member. Visitors to Club Events. This Club and members have an absolute right to say who can and cannot be involved in our Club activities which cost money paid by existing members. The club has a clear statement about limits on visitors attending club events, see the Club’s Competition Rules Section 1.1.3 which say:- Quote:- No visitor may attend more than any four (4) Club events, unless a motion is passed at a General or Committee Meeting either:- (1) exempting an individual from the rule, or (2) inviting an individual to attend an event, or (3) deeming that attendance at a specific club event or class of club event will not to be counted for the purposes of this rule. End quote People who wish to be involved in more than that number of Club events have to make a commitment to the club and become a member. The rules give the club complete flexibility to waive that requirement if required. Club Membership. Mr Riegert was a Club member but he resigned voluntarily. He has not reapplied for membership, so he cannot claim any discrimination against him with respect to membership of the Club. Any discussion about this alleged or perceived discrimination is just conjecture and is pointless. If he has issues, he could test these by applying for membership. Some statements by some club members and the implications of those show fuzzy thinking and failure to deal with reality. Any person has the right to apply for membership, but has no guarantee of acceptance. Even if he did apply, an application can be rejected as specified in the Club’s Constitution Section 4. Application for Membership. Quote a) Nomination Form and Nomination Fee. All applications for membership to be submitted on the Club's nomination form together with the then current Nomination fee amount and submitted to the Committee. b) Applications for Membership - Applications for Membership. shall be proposed and seconded by eligible financial Members of the Club at an Annual General, General or Special Meeting. All applications shall be made in writing showing the names and addresses of the persons proposed on the form provided and shall be printed in the "Reel Talk" for members sanction. The nominee(s) shall then be accepted or rejected at the immediately following or subsequent Committee meeting. Provided that no person who has been refused membership shall be eligible to be nominated again for membership within a period of three months. d) In the event of a candidate being rejected, the money paid by the Nominee shall be refunded and the said Nominee shall not be eligible to stand for membership again within a period of three months. End quote Publicity and “open” invitations on websites. Solely as a direct result of Chas Riegert’s previous wish to use the “open invitations” on the Club and AAAWA websites to attend club events as he choses, I had to change both websites


and other publications to remove that open invitation. These now read “contact us about getting an invitation” which in my opinion, would be seen by many potential visitors as “just too much trouble,” particularly since there is no telephone number on the website and there have been two changes to the club’s postal address. That will have cost this club an unknown but a significant number of visitors who may have turned into the new club members which this club so desperately needs following the losses of members in 2005/6. Resolution. The issue was not satisfactorily finalised in October 2005 when Chas Riegert resigned before the club could decide anything. My document to the Committee of the Surf Casting and Angling Club, headed “Decision on Chas Riegert” dated 16 October 2005 in file “DecidingActionOnChasVers1.doc” sets out what I believe were the issues and the possibilities at that time. I have re-read that a number of times in the last two years and I still stand by it as a completely appropriate, reasonable, balanced, fair and pragmatic approach and attempt to resolve the issues at the time. Any suggestion and allegations that I am biased against Mr Riegert, have run a vendetta against him, or have backstabbed him would be completely refuted by any rational review of the contents of that document, much of which I believe is still as relevant now as it was two years ago. I will send you a copy of that document.

Terry Fuller 14 Driffield Street, Hamersley, 6022, Phone 9447 4545 email:- [email protected] 22 October 2007


Attachment 11 Emailed attachment to letter 22 October 2007 from Terry Fuller to Malcolm Harris:- Letter from Terry Fuller to the Committee of the Surf Casting and Angling Club headed “Decision on Chas Riegert.” dated 16 October 2005

To the Committee of the Surf Casting and Angling Cl ub.

Decision on Chas Riegert.

The Committee will have to make a very difficult decision on Wednesday 19 October on Chas Riegert.

Unless the committee is very clear on what it needs to do, what it can do, and what it can consider, this decision may be very difficult to finalise, and may use a lot of unnecessary time.

This document has been written to bring out some issues. Your comments, questions and suggestions are essential.

Relevant part of Club’s Constitution.

“12. Disciplinary Powers. The Committee shall have full power to suspend, expel or impose any other penalty which it may deem fit upon any member of the Club who shall have in the opinion of the Committee, been guilty of any conduct, act, matter, practise or act conducive to or tending to cause ill feelings, friction or dissension amongst the members or reflects discredit on the reputation of the Club.“

Agreement to comply with the Club’s Constitution.

Every person who applies for membership of the Club signs an application form which says “I hereby apply for membership of the Surf Casting…. Should this application be accepted, I agree to abide by the Constitution and Rules of the Club.” This is immediately above the place they sign the form. The Constitution is on the club website, and is available on request for any applicant to read before he signs that declaration.

Committee is not a court of law.

This Committee decision is not the same as would be made in a court of law. In a court of law only evidence of facts can be considered. The people (a jury) making any decision about guilt or innocence are directed to empty their mind of any other information or knowledge or opinion they may already have. They must not discuss the case with anybody else, and must not read media reports of the case.

They can use only the evidence of the facts presented and cross examined and accepted at the court. They are not usually allowed to ask any questions for themselves to obtain that evidence.

They must decide the guilt or innocence of the person only in relation to the charges laid against them given the evidence presented, and cannot consider any other alternative offence, or any other possible future consequence of the person’s actions.

The person (the judge or magistrate) decides the punishment for any offence from a set of prescribed penalties, and may consider mitigating circumstances, but usually only those presented by the defence.

Legal versus logical approach.

This Committee is acting under the Club's Constitution, but also under the laws of Australia. It must make its decision using and assessing all information available to it from all sources, and must, in the interests of the club and its members, include the likely future effects and the results of any decision or limits in the decision.

A strictly legal approach to all the questions may not be appropriate. However one legal and logical result of the above paragraphs is that individual members agree to comply with the Constitution and that means accept the decision of the Committee.

Natural Justice.

Natural justice must be given and seen to be given to Chas. We need to be clear what natural justice means in such a decision and what, if any, limits this might place on what we can do.


The interests of the member.

The Committee needs to be mindful of the interests of the member. But it also needs to be mindful of the reason for having to make this decision and the part the member's actions played, including any failure to do any thing, in reaching this point where a difficult decision has to be made.

The interests of the club and its other members.

In arriving at any decision, the committee needs to be mindful of the present and future interests of the club and the other club members. Specifically, it must consider the words and clear intention and authority of Section 12 of the Constitution.

In simple terms this must include considering whether having one person as a member, and whatever benefits that member might bring to the club, is worth any real or potential or expected losses as a direct result of that first person being a member, and the loss that causes the club.

The losses to the club mentioned above might be the direct loss of members who resign or do not renew their membership. It can be an unwillingness of members to be involved in or contribute to club activities. It can be friction between members in the activities of the club.

Considerations must also include the reputation of the Club, both through the actions of the member which might reflect on the reputation of the club, and the actions of the Club in dealing effectively and appropriately with any issues in its membership.

What decisions are possible.

The following discussion is included only because a solution may be proposed and called “a compromise”. A compromise must necessarily be between two other possible or proposed solutions. Which decision to adopt must necessarily involve a proper assessment of ALL the possible decisions. The following is included for the purpose of discussion and is not a proposal.

The “Hard” Decision. Such a decision might be:- “the member’s association with the club is completely terminated and he will no longer be a member,” and may or may not include a recommendation “will not be accepted for readmission to the club at any time in the future.”

The “Soft” Decision. Such a decision might be:- “the club takes no action at all and the Club and member continue as though nothing has happened.” and the Committee hopes that it will all go away and all be forgotten and forgiven, so there is no future effect.

The “Compromise” Decision. Such a decision might be:- “the member is suspended from some or all club activities for some time”, and may include that “any future resumption of club activities by that member is conditional on some specific, measurable, and appropriate undertakings by that member, with agreed penalties for failure to meet those commitments.”

Such undertakings would need to be measurable and would need to have penalties attached such that failure to complete these undertakings would result in further action by the club, which could be part or all of the "Hard decision" which was not chosen because of the adoption of the “Compromise” decision.

The triggers for the penalties and how and by whom an assessment would be made that an undertaking had actually been breached must be defined and agreed by all parties at the time of making the choice. If not, these might not be enforceable and could lead to further disputes in the future because of their potential effect on the member. Defining these would be a very risky and difficult exercise, with the possibility of legal issues if not done correctly.

Appeal and Ratification.

Two questions are the right of appeal which is not included in our Club Constitution, and the lack of any requirement for the Committee decision to be ratified by the Club members.

For the acceptance of any decision which is made, the Committee should consider, if desired by the member, allowing an appeal by the member at a special general meeting of the club.

The Committee should also consider presenting and explaining its decision to a General meeting for ratification by the members. A decision using all the above in an appropriate way should be easy to justify to the Club’s members.

Version 1, dated 16 October 2005

Prepared by Terry Fuller


Attachment 12, Email reply 23 October 2007 from Malcolm Harris, President Surf Casting and Angling Club of WA to Terry Fuller commenting on concerns about proposed discussions with Chas Riegert.

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Attachment 13 Email 23 October 2007 from Terry Fuller to Rob Thompson, CEO WA Sports Federation, confirming telephone discussions expressing concerns about the proposed discussions with Chas Riegert, and providing some records.

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Attachment 14 Report by Terry Fuller titled “Mediation - Chas Riegert. Report to Surf Casting and Angling Club General Meeting 14 November 2007

“Mediation” - Chas Riegert. Report to SCAC General Meeting 14 November 2007.

I was advised by President Malcolm Harris in mid-October that Chas Riegert had threatened in a phone call to place a legal caveat on the club's Kalbarri house. Malcolm proposed “mediation” between Chas and some members of the club, including me because of my prior involvement.

Considering the January 2007 and October 2007 motions on Chas, I was particularly concerned at the implications of one comment “all the parties will need to be prepared to give up some things in order to achieve others.” Malcolm advised me that Rob Thompson, CEO WA Sports Federation was prepared to consider mediation after discussing the matter with nominated club members.

I prepared a personal email letter to several committee members outlining my concerns. These included that the club should not react to what I see as threatening and bullying behaviour not conducive to a cooperative response. Instead the Club needs a completely clear understanding of what issues Chas Riegert has with the club before there is any talk of “mediation” which has several possible meanings.

Prior to meeting Rob Thompson, I reviewed and assembled records from my time as Secretary, Reel Talk Editor and as an ordinary member of the club particularly during dry casting, and from my role as Secretary etc in the Australian Anglers Association. This reinforced the value of comprehensive records when others use threats of legal action to handle simple questions.

Following some phone calls and e-mails, I met with Rob Thompson for one hour on 7 November to answer his questions and give him an adequate background and current information.

I gave Rob electronic copies of all relevant records including e-mails, documents prepared by me, minutes of meetings, Reel Talk extracts, letters, reports, etc.

Topics discussed from those documents included:-

• my roles and how I had unwillingly become dragged into this saga and accused of “back stabbing” and worse;

• incidents and issues before Yeppoon in SCAC and AAA dry casting and Reel Talk articles;

• the Yeppoon incident; the impact on AAAWA and SCAC reputations; actions and events in both SCAC and AAA in 2005 which left the matter unresolved because of Chas’ resignation;

• subsequent actions and events in both SCAC and AAA in 2006 and 2007;

• how these had been handled; why initial attempts to preserve privacy had backfired;

• relevant parts of SCAC and AAA Constitutions and Competition Rules.

• how people can become members of the club;

• the rules for visitor’s attendance at club and events;

I believe the outcome of the discussions was that Rob now has a clear understanding that:-

• Chas Riegert resigned as a member. He has not re-applied for membership, so cannot have been discriminated against for membership.

• Members of SCAC have good knowledge of Chas and his personal characteristics and record of working/interacting with club members.

• Club members decided unanimously they don’t want him to attend any club events.

• Visitors to club events are by invitation. Visitors are allowed a limited number of visits and involvement in club events as defined by the Club Competition Rules.

• Club membership is by application and is decided in accordance with the valid Constitution and approval processes which seek comments from the members.


• It is neither appropriate nor legal to bypass this membership process.

• Mediation is not appropriate given the history and decisions. Any next step is up to Chas Riegert.

Rob said he would contact both Malcolm and Chas.

I want to make it clear that my earlier attempts to preserve Chas’ privacy were a big mistake. Getting caught once or twice is a learning experience. Getting caught many times is stupid. I wouldn’t want to be thought stupid.

Terry Fuller


Attachment 15 Emails between Chas Riegert and Pat Shinnick, then President Australian Anglers Association, April and May 2008, in which Mr Riegert was provided with facts and comments in response to his claims and statements.

Note:- These emails are included in accordance with the following extract from the full transcript version of Minutes of November 2008 AAA Delegates Meeting, which is available on request from Secretary AAAWA, PO Box 2200, Marmion WA 6020, email [email protected] Telephone (08) 9403 7383:- Quote Pat Shinnick:- “Because I have got every piece of correspondence including tapes of meetings with Chas, and meetings here and meetings in the eastern seaboard of exactly what happened and if anyone wants that information they are free now to have it.” From: Pat Shinnick To: 'Terry Fuller' Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 4:01 PM Subject: FW: AAA - IN CONFIDENCE Terry in confidence please. Have George continue with the process of organizing the Team Regards Pat Shinnick Catalyst Communication Rigging Pty Ltd (CCR) Mobile 040 808 5516

�� ! "# $�� %##& '�%( �$)�� *+�� ,-�-��*�./0�1�� ,2� 333 4 56 +76�5826+29�:��;�1�� <� Chas I have gone down every path now with the trying to have a reconciliation, to no avail. I have contacted a few random members (by phone) from those that indicated that they would be willing to go to the new national title in Wallaroo SA. I did not contact but personally spoke to Ian Cook after a Delegates meeting, and he had no issues with yourself attending the national titles, I did not ask George Holman or Terry Fuller, for reasons that you understand, Although I did contact Bob Henderson who no one has really tried to contact even though he was the main representative when the original incident occurred, and he commented also that he would not object if you wished to participate as an individual. I asked the people that I spoke to, that were there any people that they did not wish to participate with at the titles, all indicated that you were the only one that they had issues with; some indicated it was because of the negative results that have been passed onto them, others were from first hand experience. The positive I got was that the participants (most of them) did not have an issue if you wished to participate as an individual, in the events, be it for WA or for SA. Although all would be disappointed if you once again did go with SA. I have been through all the transcripts and recordings to see if there were other options that I could address to resolve something, and have found things that you can see below in green beside comments from you and I previously. One thing I must admit was that there was a way around your issue with the Surfcasters and AAA, but John Romano resigned from the position, and also yourself from the club prior to the offer being made to you to “fix” the issue (for a short term period), I found transcripts of offers that indicated that a penalty be imposed to you


and I must admit I found it quite reasonable knowing that you may have been in a better position to accept the “punishment” and offer reasons rather that excuses, that the general members could understand, all of the members do understand that there are things we have all done that we are not proud of (including yours truly) but have been able to move forward. I believe that due to this taking so long to fix has created this untenable situation, I am disappointed to say the least, that I could not fix it. Please read on and comment if you wish. If you don’t then I will still be trying this final term, to ensure that “we” can all work together to obtain a better relationship. I once again thank you for your honesty in this, but feel that working on the problem now is what we need to do and it will all smoothen our paths, for the future. I can only hope that this issue will end, (As quickly as it started) now, can we work towards this, I hope so? Yours Truly Pat Shinnick Mobile 040 808 5516

�� +�� ,-�-�� -�-��-��-��- �-� ��! "# 3�� %##& ��'& �$)�� *�� *�./0�1�� ,2� 333 4 56 +76�5826+2 Pat: I have tried the best I can, at the moment, to address the various areas as you suggested. I hope this will be beneficial towards reconciliation. We can’t change history, but hopefully, we can learn and grow from it. Chas RiegertChas RiegertChas RiegertChas Riegert Ph. 0438 535 848 <><

�� - �-� ��! 3�� "#! %##& &��( 3$)�� *+�� ,-�-��*�./0�1�� ,2� 333 4 56 +76�5826+2 Chas Thank you. The paperwork you have sent I have some of, from correspondence from others, (scanned). I take it that your issues are; Terry Fuller had set about prior to discussing anything with you personally, to ensure that any disruptive issues were dealt with swiftly, then find out what the cause was, continue with the process, and offer the members an option to address this issue. Terry instigated a course of action from which he could/would not withdraw. This was contrary to principles ensconced in the AAA of camaraderie and fair play. It has been a lack of natural justice. Chas there was the request from Queensland (Nationa l AAA) for AAAWA:-

1. To discipline the caster, (you) and


2. to ensure that there was no repeat of the incide nt at Yeppoon, a very reasonable request and one AAAWA COULD NOT IGNORE without serious risk for the future. Example if it did recur, possibly by someone else, and AAAWA had not acted t o have appropriate rules and to enforce them, then AAAWA could be liable for financial dama ges and unsympathetic response from our insurers.

These were the initial reason for action by AAAWA, and are completely reasonable requests which could not be ignored. Lack of suitable rules and powers were the reasons for further action in AAAWA. Chas you yourself and John Romano made a lot about AAAWA not having rules to cover a situation like this.

Ill feelings, friction or dissension amongst the me mbers or reflecting discredit on the reputation of the Club were the reasons for considering action in SCAC (Section 12 of their Constitution)

Chas The course of action Terry expected to occur w as cut off by your resignation from the SCAC and by the resignation of the then President, John Romano which cut short the process. This unsatisfactory conclusion left the entire issue unr esolved, and only temporarily resolved the question of your competing in AAAWA events. This ha s resulted in the current situation.

I have spoken to Terry and he has given me copies o f the proposals he expected to be discussed at that SCAC Committee meeting along with many othe r records. If you had not resigned, one possible and very likely outcome was some reasonabl e penalty, some requirements for you to demonstrate that whatever the cause of your outburs t was being or had been dealt with, and some assurances from you that there would be no rep eat, with an agreement from you that a repeat would result in a much more severe penalty.

It is unfortunate that you were not given the opportunity to address this issue directly with the then President of the AAA George Holman and Secretary Terry Fuller. Although I do know that you did attend the meeting at Georges house, to offer your apology, but can understand your “half hearted” attempt (as indicated by George and others at the meeting), as I would have felt “why bother” with a welcome as you indicated. Even after the welcome that I received, I still did my best under the circumstances (I was still undergoing treatment) to proffer my apologies.

Chas, Apologies MUST be accepted by the persons to whom it is offered. It is not enough just to offer an apology, to say the words “I apologize” or “I’m sorry”

No one but that person can decide if he will accept the apology. If he does not accept it, then either you MUST try harder to express your apology in a way or do more so he will accept, or realize that you have not apologized effectively to him and there are still unresolved things between you.

The mere passing of time does NOT make up for an ap ology which was not accepted. Sure some people may change their attitude after some time, b ut you can not expect everyone to do that.

Terry and George did act at the time as AAA hierarchy; correctly, I felt from what I knew at the time, and now consider that this matter should have been pursued in a different manner, hindsight is a wonderful thing. (Oh to have the foresight of hindsight) Although when I had discussed this with others, the feeling was that you were very confrontational and used your “powers” of litigation, to try and “get back in”. I have never used my “powers” of litigation. I do NOT have any “powers” of litigation. I have discussed various “courses of action” that I could have taken (and which are still open for me to take) with some persons, in confidence, of which I am now more than ever aware, has been breeched. That these ‘courses of action’ have been represented in another manner is open to further discourse. I believe that “Chinese whispers” has been played out to its extreme in this instance. Chas I have copies of records that show that the SC AC believed that you were thinking of (or perhaps saying you would) placing a caveat over the ir property at Kalbarri. As a former Committee member of SCAC you would know that possib ilities like that with severe financial consequences could not be kept from other members o f the committee when they were discussing what to do, and should not be kept from members of the club.

Having heard from, and seen both sides of the “story” am disappointed in; (and please take this as my observations and allow us, that is you and I to work on); I look forward with anticipation to working with you to reconcile this matter and further the prospects of the AAA WA in the future. Chas Riegert, that you had a medical issue, had not discussed it with someone, on your team (albeit your wife was in attendance I believe) that may have offered an explanation, to the behavior, (Now I am aware only too well of these issues as I run teams that all need to work as teams, trust each other with each others lives whilst working in remote situations as pairs and in larger teams, I will attach a presentation of


one of my projects just to give you an idea) of course this does not detract from the fact that others are wrong in this issue and I will attempt to address that. In my line of work I believe that the concept of ‘teamsmanship’ is far more applicable than most others. To this end I have undertaken extensive training along with leadership skills that have never been called upon to be utilised by or for this association or SCAC. Mind you, para/military type skills are not always looked favorably upon by non-military type personnel. I firmly believed that my personal issues were inconsequential to the casting fraternity and still do. My illness was unknown to me at the time, but on returning to Perth and consulting with my local medico it became very evident. It further explained numerous other instances as symptoms of the same problem. I could not tell team members of a problem that I had when I didn’t know I had it. I have fortuitously discussed this and other issues with yourself and appreciate your honesty, although I will not pry and know what your problem is, only to assume that you may have, due to a medical issue suffer from paranoia, or a depression, that exasperated the issues that started this issue. I have no problem in telling you that I suffered ‘severe depression’ and have now been educated in recognizing the symptoms, not only in myself, but also in others. It is a very common illness which is not recognized in society as the problem that it truly is. I undertook and extensive period of medication (correcting chemical imbalances in the brain) and consultations with various medical professionals. This is something that you and your family have worked on I believe (comment from yourself), and I applaud you on your attempts to resurrect your good demeanor and work on all the issues, (by no means am I a doctor or a consultant but feel that a third persons view is always good knowing that I am but a mere mortal and friend). I also was disappointed that you attempted to disrupt the SCAC competitions by attending and practicing. And making so called comments, (hearsay), this only made me feel that you were trying to be confrontational, but not being there and only hearing secondhand could only assume the worst. On one instance only I contacted Bob Henderson to request permission to attend a dry casting (exact date I cannot recall). Bob initially agreed, but some time later called me back to say that I shouldn’t attend until they had finished. I waited until what I expected was a reasonable time for them to have finished, however, on arriving at Yokine found that they were still finishing off one of their events. The distance casting that I had wanted to do had finished and the ‘V’ courts had been picked up. This signified to me that they had finished. I set myself up and began to cast. Bob came up to me out on the field and he was the one that was confrontational not myself. In hindsight, this instance seems to me to have been a set up with which to further their actions against me. Chas - SCAC pays City of Stirling for exclusive use of the eastern part of the Reserve. Exclusive use is needed/essential for safety and public liability insurance. SCAC place red flags around the perimeter and control access from the end where they cast. The remainder (about half) of the eastern part, both north and south of the area SCAC uses, is accessible to and used by the public – at best a few people walking through, unless a sporting group does some training.

Letter from Bob Henderson

25th August 2006 To Mr Chas Riegert

Following your request to attend our July drycastin g event, the SCAC advised you to refrain from attending until it was presented to ALL Club member s to make a decision.

Your failure to comply with our request acknowledge s a show of disrespect towards our Club and the members.

Your invasion of our Club’s competition casting are a without permission also shows a lack of consideration.

Therefore we advise you that you are no longer welc ome at any future SCAC events.

Acting President Bob Henderson

This I don’t expect an explanation but knowing you (as little that I do but feel I can comment) there was possibly an ulterior motive in wanting to be part of the SCAC team again. Enough of letting you know my disappointment in those issues on yourself, albeit I find refreshing that you’re also trying deliberately to get on with it so to speak. Pat: In every issue there are ALWAYS two or more sides to be considered before a balanced judgment can be given. All the relevant facts must be considered before a jury can convict. In my instance the jury never even got sworn in. Now Terry Fuller, that Terry had (as the secretary of the AAA) acted hastily to rectify the issues that surrounded the behavior at the competition, had named you in correspondence, to all clubs, instead of


calling a special executive meeting of those concerned, this then became a festering sore, that caused Terry to “leave” the positions in the AAA as he felt that persons were targeting him, due to his proactive attitude to this matter, albeit it started to look from observers as becoming to be personal, I believe this would have become difficult in his role and appreciated his efforts, and understand why he and others suggested the changes to the selection criteria. In the past as a member of the SCAC, I have travelled with Terry on various fishing trips. I even shared a double bed with him more than once at some destinations. I have exchanged Christmas greeting on a regular basis and both of us have dropped in on the other for tea/coffee on numerous occasions. I had considered Terry more than just a friend with our common interests. I have had disagreements with him in his role as the ’Reeltalk’ editor as some articles that I submitted he would not include without his censoring. I agree that those articles may have promulgated heated words within the Club, but that at least would stimulate discussion rather than everyone just sitting on their hands. Why he has chosen the course of action that he has totally bewilders me. I personally have appreciated Terry’s efforts in his roles in the AAA, and I do know that even you have complimented Terry on his role in providing guidance on issues surrounding WA fisherpersons, and I did compliment you on your comments, at the last delegates meeting. Now George Holman, acted similar to Terry as the president of the AAAWA, in good faith from reports, that the AAAWA had received, and had “selectively” (unfortunately) discussed the issues with others, across the nation to get a better or possibly a clouded view of the event happenings. The only people that should have been consulted were those that were ‘directly’ involved or witnessed the ‘whole’ thing personally. Hearsay does not promote a healthy outcome. The two people that I clearly remember who witnessed everything unfold, were Gary Gildersleeves and Geoff Thomas (President AAA SA) both of whom were casting in my group. Those that George contacted I believe were and still are trusted people in the fishing community, and some were asked rightfully to put pen to paper, now this once again should have been sorted out via a specially convened meeting of executives. The people that were contacted were close personal contacts of the people who contacted them, or State Executives who were not necessarily privy to first hand knowledge of what happened. Now we both know that the executives are pretty well non existent, but it would not have taken too much in this situation to have sorted it out (I would like to think), although in your frame of mind at the time we may have needed to work on it with more of an open mind. I concur with this statement as the one and only thing that stopped me taking it through the courts was my lack of funding at that time. The advice I received from legal counsel was that I need to front with ‘X’ amount of cash up front for them to proceed and that I had about a 95% chance of success with the information I provided them. Fortuitously for the AAA WA and the SCAC, I was unable to raise the funds there and then. Now, I can see that this has become more personal than it should of, with name calling etc, but believe that, if I have it right, each of the parties can accept that there were unfortunate mistake made, able to work harder than even on the resolution, and hopefully become part of that “team” environment again. I have never wanted anything more than what you have just said. I have made every endeavor to proceed on these lines, only to be blockaded repeatedly. No we are not all the same and have to accept the fact that this is the case and work on the positive sides of one another, some have more good points than others, and as the saying goes, if willing, the more time you spend with someone working with solutions the more you become a team or like one another, and very rarely have confrontational issues, just working out difficult solutions, (discussions, not arguments). Agreed. It would be remiss of me as the AAAWA President (and a mere mortal) to allow people that can be disruptive or confrontational to be part of the team or competitions, that represent the AAA, causing the WA branch to not look good in the eyes of the rest of Australian AAA or even the community at large as spectators, and this is were the selection teams work this out. I again concur with your words. If this be the case, then I can reliably inform you that the first two names to delete from the State Team list would be Henderson and Holman. These two names have become a laughing matter at most club meets once you get east of Eucla. The various State Executives recognize the work they have done in the past, however, now consider the actions they were responsible for instigating against myself since Yeppoon have denigrated into a joke. I am aware of instances at past conventions where NSW and Qsld participants actually resorted to fisticuffs at weigh ins.(Rainbow Beach) These matters were speedily dealt with on a local basis, and even now, unless you were there, trying to locate information about them is very difficult. A member of the NSW casting team at Yamba had a large ‘dummy spit’ over the running of one of the events. A lot of ‘bad language’ was also involved, but no complaints ever recorded. At the last two conventions, this person has actually cast for WA and become a good friend of mine.


Chas I have been told that the person in the Yamba incident was very quickly taken off the field by his fellow team members, spoken to and he return ed to cast without any further disruptive behavior. That is a good example of peer team press ure at work to solve a problem without the need for event organizers to get involved or for an y ongoing hassles, this is something, that I believe should of worked but we must remember that there were other issues here regarding your state of mind, and our obvious lack of knowledge of it.

JUSTICE MUST NOT ONLY BE DONE, IT MUST BE SEEN TO B E DONE – a creedo of the Justice Dept that is most apt in the application of matters of such associations as ours. Remember what was discussed recently re the Green Bill, the AAA Executive is just to do the day to day running of the association, the delegates vote on the decisions made by the executives, and the Sub Committee just set up their own competition rules but be ratified at the Delegates meetings just in case there are any constitutional issues that the AAA has in the events. If there is anything that I have not picked up on all our discussions, and others correspondence please fill me in, then if I can I will endeavor as indicated to try and resolve this issue, hopefully for the better of all. Once again Chas, it has been a pleasure (I only look at the positives) working on this issue and hopefully we have a resolve not too far away. Regards Pat the fellow fisher Pat Shinnick Catalyst Communication Rigging Pty Ltd (CCR) Mobile 040 808 5516

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Chas You say elsewhere "I have discussed various “courses of action” that I could have taken (and which are still open for me to take) with some persons, in confidence, of which I am now more than ever aware, has been breeched. That these ‘courses of action’ have been represented in another manner is open to further discourse. I believe that “Chinese whispers” has been played out to its extreme in this instance." Interesting that here YOU say AAAWA reversed the re solution "under threat of legal action " It seems to me that you have acknowledged that thre at.

To further their cause, this same person has then gone to the extent of re-writing a section of the ‘selection criteria’ for State Teams in such a manner that the selection process can now exclude anyone ‘they’ think may not ‘fit in’ with their team. In this


instance I specifically refer to the SCAC delegates, NOT necessarily the SCAC committee as it now stands.

Chas. Obviously that is referring to Terry Fuller, but misses the point entirely that the notices of motion were presented on behalf of the dry casting group, were not moved by Terry Fuller at the delegates meeting, were handled by the standard AAA WA process, that is, moved and published, discussed at the second meeting and then voted on b y all the delegates present at the third meeting, based on instructions from their respectiv e clubs. So other delegates had the opportunity to throw these proposed rules out if th ey thought they were not appropriate. In the case of the SCAC delegates, their voting was follow ing the directions of their club. They were NOT the opinions of those individual delegates.

In the challenge to AAAWA’s decision of 20 Septembe r 2005, Chas, you and John Romano made the point very strongly that the AAAWA did not have the rules which enabled them to discipline or control who was involved in AAA teams for Nation al Championships.

These rules are part of closing that gap. The selec tion is based on merit in its broadest sense, and it is done by all of the potential team members judging each other as peers, not by some faceless external group. It would be hard to find a nything more democratic and practical because who else knows the potential team members better th an their own team mates.

3.9. Selection of Members for National Team.

The selection of members for teams to attend the AA A National Championships shall be based on merit.

The teams shall be decided by the members of the dr y casting group at a meeting advertised to decide arrangements for National Championships.

Merit shall take into consideration all aspects of a person’s abilities and personal attributes such as casting skills, ability to work as part of the t eam to obtain the best possible results, to represent the State Association, and any other matt ers which the team members consider relevant.

The Australian Anglers Association WA Division rese rves the right to select partial teams and decline to select some nominees, (This is one of th ose areas I do not believe in only if it is a committee decision).

In the past, Mr George HOLMAN has contributed extensively to the SCAC and the AAA WA Branch in many varied ways, much to his acclaim. However, in this single instance that originated at Yeppoon in 2005, he has done more to denigrate his good reputation of the past than anything he has ever done before. This is a personal opinion and not relevant to the issue I cannot report with accuracy what has been said by him or Mr Terry FULLER about me in the past as I have not been present when the words were spoken. Chas, exactly the same applies in reverse, where those two people can not be sure what has been said by you about them. However much of what they have said has been in formal meetings where there have been several people present and have been recorded in th e minutes.

The consequences of these words have been clearly representative in the actions that have been taken over the past three years by the SCAC Everything which has been done by SCAC has been decided by all the members present in general meetings or the committee in committee meetings in accordance with Club rules an d meeting protocols and constitution. Terry Fuller has not been a committee member since August 2006, so has had no more influence than any other ordinary member of the club since then.

and the responses (in writing) by Mr Fuller to items brought forward at the delegates meetings (response to ‘green paper’ matter I raised appeared to me to be a personal attack on my intentions). Chas you asserted that the rule which specifies sel ection based on merit was unacceptable. You said that the Governmen t was introducing laws and that AAA will need to change its rule to comply with the coming l aws.

Terry Fuller reported in some details on discussion s with and advice from Mr Rob Thompson, who you yourself had nominated to be contacted abou t this topic. In fact the advice he received


and reported on was quite different to the assertio n you made in the delegates meeting, and it would be wrong if you see that as a personal attack on your intentions. It is simply a matter of fact. But it could lead to the question of why you were so sure of your facts when they did not stand up to a simple check with the person you your self nominated.

However I did compliment you at a delegates meeting , how clubs were looking at what the Green Bill means to them and some have looked at “cleanin g up” their act, as far as constitutions go.

Terry provides a great majority of his reports to t he delegates meeting in writing. Obviously when he was the secretary, he also had to write up the m inutes some time so preparing a written report saved him the time to write up that report when he was preparing the rest of the minutes. It is a credit to Terry that he has continued to do this to save the time of our current paid secretary who is not familiar with all of the jargon used in AAA reports.

Not only that but the querying of delegates to some of issues raised, if one of us do not know the answer then Terry does look up the rulings so we ar e all clear on those queried issues.

I have attached three documents from 2005 relating to the original issue which you may find informative. Personal Issues: George has the attitude that his word is law when it comes to ‘dry casting’. He demonstrates the mind set that if you don’t agree with him, then you are wrong and should no longer be considered. When trying to discourse with him on any subject, specifically when relating to ‘National Conventions’/Dry Casting, he appears to not listen to what has been said. It seems that he is just waiting for ‘his turn to talk’ and anything anyone else says is inconsequential (unless your name is Terry Fuller or Bob Henderson). Chas it takes 2 people to fight or disagree. I been told that you can be obstinate and unresponsive too, with "good ideas for changes to dry casting ” or "things which have just got to change" some of which are really significant rule changes, or changes of direction which you want to get changed by talk, without writing them down so that everybody else can understand exactly what is involved and can see the consequences of those r ule changes and can debate them, still as I have already stated you have shown your willingness to understand your issues, and work with myself to rectify them, if not me someone else?

Terry has an intrinsic ability to put words to paper. This has been recognized by many members of the AAA and put to good use in the past. It has also been used by some to cause dissention, as per the ‘state team selection rules’ amendment he penned. The job of a secretary and editor, and the contribution of a person who has any particular skill, is to use his skills to help other people who may not have th ose skills, or the organisation. Penning the wording of a rule change on behalf of other people is not the same as using that skill to cause dissension. As I explained earlier, that rule was t o fill a hole in the set of rules. It was not to ca use dissension. And it was subject to discussion and co uld have been thrown out or amended . That I got the better of him regarding the original ‘resolution’ in 2005 was cause enough for him to set about ensuring that the resolution remained intact, albeit a de-facto resolution. He does not like being beaten by anyone in the area he considers ‘his expertise’. I have heard it has been said that Terry “is a political player for his own ends and not to be trusted”. I will not elaborate on who said this as it was in confidence and I will not break anything confided in me. That may be your perception Chas, but I have a very different opinion. I believe Terry is a "what you see is what you get” type of person, hard-worki ng, trustworthy, with high integrity and good skills in lots of areas, and works in the best inte rests of the club or organisation he volunteers his time for, not for any personal gain or recognition. I believe Terry gets his rewards through doing everything he tackles to a very high standard, whic h is doing it once and doing it properly. And if you, Chas, are not prepared to say who said these t hings to you, then I have no way of knowing if I should believe them, hopefully all the innuendos will cease and we will work as a team.

Both George and Terry set about ‘rumour mongering’ upon the team returning from Yeppoon in 2005


Those are very serious allegations Chas. If you do not have any firm evidence to support them, I suggest that you do not repeat them. I have examin ed the records of various meetings held about this topic and I would assess what they have said and done in those meetings as entirely appropriate for the circumstances, using the inform ation provided in writing and from other first hand reports by other people, and their roles at th at time.

I am aware that words were spoken and that the then President of the SCAC discovered some of what was going on. As a result of the back door dealing at the time, John Romano resigned his Presidency in protest. Chas I have records covering this topic. Despite be ing asked specifically at the SCAC committee meeting at which he resigned, John Romano refused t o provide any detail of his allegations against other un-named members of that club. In par ticular, when he used a copy of an e-mail from Kevin Hughes alleging what had happened at the previous night's AAAWA meeting, John refused to listen to a tape recording of the meetin g to satisfy himself that the report that he had been given by e-mail was or was not accurate. Inste ad he made vague allegations against un-named people, presumably Terry and George, and surp rised the entire SCAC committee by resigning from his Presidency and from the club and refused to give any further explanation.

Chas if you believe there was "back door dealing" t hen please give me the details and the names, or else I cannot do anything about that allegation, although I can only hope that what we have done over the last few months has calmed the waters so to speak and we can get on with our recreational lives.

Mr John Romano has now returned to South Australia, but should you wish to contact him to verify these details he can be contacted on 0408088142. I will also mention that John and I have established a long standing friendship out of this and remain in regular contact, even though he did chastise me for my stupidity in Yeppoon. Basically, I believe that George and Terry need to let bygones be bygones, accept that punishment has been meted out in proportion with what happened (not competing in State Titles 2005) and simply get on with building a better AAA.

Chas you have made comments about people who “cowar dly stuck their daggers in my back” without naming people as far as I know. But your ot her comments clearly name Terry, so it would be reasonable for him to assume that you are saying he has stabbed you in the back and been a coward. This is not the way to make people want to have much to do with you. I believe that Terry has made a simple personal decision (which is his r ight to make) that he does not want to have anything more to do with you at a personal level, i n other words you go your way and he goes his way in life.

George I believe does not want to have anything mor e to do with you in his work of organising state and national AAA events, transport, accommoda tion etc. or competing to represent AAAWA. Chas I believe the event at Yeppoon was only one of a number of incidents which George has witnessed. At some point, people can say “enough is enough” and I believe George and Terry have reached that point.

As no doubt you have.

Other Issues: Apologies: On returning to Perth after the 2005 event in Queensland, Alan Jones and Gary Gildersleeves attended at my house to assist with the unloading of the rods which I had conveyed there and back for the team. At that time I proffered my apologies to those two persons, whereby they took my hand in acceptance of my apology. Some time later, I am not sure of the date but it was after I had been receiving treatment for some time, I had a conversation with Ian Cook. At the conclusion of that discussion I attended a meeting of the casters at Georges garage. George greeted me with a very coarse “What are you doing here?” To all the casters that were present I offered my apologies and the only response that I recall was Mal Harris saying thank you.


The allegation I have not apologized is wrong. Please feel free to contact those named above to verify my authenticity. Conspiracies: “Conspiracies:” Well Chas, that word says a lot. Ge orge has reported that Sam Benjamin complained to George verbally, but was reluctant to put anything in writing. As you would be aware, without something in writing, little can be done, so it was reasonable to ask Sam to put his complaint in writing.

Shortly after returning to Perth from Yeppoon and discovering what had happened at the delegates meeting with the ‘resolution’, I contacted Sam Benjamin of the New Zealand contingent at Yeppoon and the referee that had been in place at my casting point when the incident occurred. He advised me that he had been approached by a WA member and asked to submit a complaint against me, to which he refused. He did however provide a very short description of what had occurred, which remains the most accurate of all the descriptions supplied by all so called complainants. As is now history, I attended the 2007 National Convention at Phillip Island representing South Australia, as I had been a member there for some time. At Phillip Island I approached Ms Maude Murphy from NSW to apologize to her personally, as she had been an author of one of the letters of complaint that had been presented against me. Her response was quite shocking but not surprising. She said: “I don’t really know what you did. I only wrote the letter because I was asked to.” That letter is quite detailed and was signed by two separate people. Being asked to write the letter is different to being told what to say. It is very surprising and hard to believe that she was prepared to write and sign something without any kn owledge of the event.

It appears to me that there is a lot more to this incident apart from my indiscretion because of a ‘health problem’. Chas, these are words without detail or substance a nd cannot be used or followed up. What do you mean by “..a lot more to this incident..“? With out further information and names, this cannot be taken any further.

This has been verified by my associates in SA, however, due to their respective positions in State management they are unable to elaborate further. Out of respect I have not and will not pursue them as to what they were asked. I believe that Kevin Hughes has attempted to resolve some of the goings-on of this matter with correspondence to George and Terry. I am aware of his efforts as they have been recorded in various minutes but am not privy to what his words were. Chas I have seen the letter from Kevin Hughes, and I heard the discussions about that at the AAA Delegates’ meeting. In my opinion, Kevin’s letter w as unnecessarily inflammatory and critical. I am not surprised that George temporarily withdrew f rom AAA activities. The result was serious difficulties with the running of the state dry cast ing.

I have spoken to him after speaking with yourself and he is will to talk with you should you desire. His contact number is 08-97253447. On 22nd October 2007 I had obtained the necessary documents, filled them in and was enroute to deliver them to the Equal Opportunities Commission when I was telephoned by Mal Harris. He was exasperated with the continual referral of this matter by George and wanted to set about resolving it. To this end he had contacted a Mr Rob Thompson of the Western Australian Sports Federation to facilitate reconciliation. I believe that the reconciliation was to be with both George and Terry, however, as pointed out most audaciously by Terry at a delegates meeting chaired by yourself, he thought it was to reconcile with the club. In the end, at a meeting between me, Rob and Mal, it was agreed that we had taken the matter as far as we could and reconciliation was not foreseeable. You can contact Rob on: 93878100 or mob. 0400 237 079. Chas, Terry responded to your comments at that meet ing implying that he and George failed to turn up for an appointment meeting to mediate betwe en you. The clear implication is that they


didn’t meet their obligations, and so is a slur on their characters. Chas you chose to make a public statement without any warning, and that dese rved a public reply. If Terry was audacious to respond, then maybe you Chas had not thought of the consequences of your own actions.

Terry has provided me with copies of his email mess age to Malcolm Harris on 22 Oct 2007 and the response from Malcolm on 23 Oct. Terry’s letter was very, very clear that he understood from what he had been told in an earlier phone call from Malcolm Harris that the issues you had were with the SCAC club, not with him personally, and th at the club was under the threat from you of placing a caveat on the SCAC Club’s property in Kal barri, when he said:-

Quote:- I believe the club needs a completely clear understanding of what issues Chas Riegert has with the club before there is any thought of “m ediation” which has several different meanings.

It is absolutely essential that Chas Riegert notifi es ALL his issues in writing, with a clear statement that whatever he gives the club is the co mplete set of issues he wishes to have discussed and/or resolved.

The club should examine whatever he provides, and g et clarification in writing of any issues with what is presented or the way it is presented so tha t there is absolutely no ambiguity about the topics and the complete scope of them. End quote, b ut there are more references to the club.

Malcolm Harris’ reply said:- Quote:- I agree with many of your points in this letter…. The resolution of this matter I believe will not come f rom the members of the club discussing the rights and wrongs of this issue amongst ourselves b ut rather a frank and open discussion between the key people of the club and Chas. End of this quote

There was NOTHING in Malcolm’s reply which said, “N o Terry, your letter is wrong, it is not about the Club, there is no threat of a caveat, it is abo ut YOU.”

Terry has given me a copy of a report he gave to th e 14 November general meeting of the SCAC club. This has a very clear focus on the issues for the club about your possible involvement with the club, and agreement by Rob Thompson that any ne xt step was up to you to take with the club if you choose.

Malcolm Harris did not take this second opportunity to say anything to Terry that this was a personal not a SCAC club issue or that Terry was ta lking about the wrong things.

Despite Terry’s suggestion to the Club President ab out the club getting details of your concerns from you in writing, as far as I am aware this was never done, although it seems such an obvious and simple step. Terry tells me he has not received anything from you in writing, by email, by phone or any other way about your concerns with any thing you think he may have done, even though you know how to contact him.

Chas, it is not possible for anyone to know what to do about any concerns you have unless you tell the people about them. With the complicated hi story, it is reasonable for people to want your concerns to be written down so they have time to th ink and prepare there reply. If there has been any confusion, it would have been caused by the lac k of enough details from you. If I am wrong in this impression, please send me copies of anything you have sent to the other people about this.

I have all the documents in my presence that I have been privy to over this period. Some things I have left out as they appear too trivial to me, but will no doubt be raised by others If you would care to peruse what I have, please call me and I will arrange a time and place to meet and let you read through them. If you have any questions at all, please feel free to ask me. Regards Chas RiegertChas RiegertChas RiegertChas Riegert Ph. 0438 535 848 <><

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