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WP SOURCES On the books and on the ground
Cartoon by Carlos Latuff in the public domain https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wake_up_Egypt.png; Screenshot from Al Jazeera English Live TV http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/;ʼFile:Police in civilian cloth beating a protester in Cairo 1.pngʼ from Al Jazeera CC BY 3.0
Heather Ford
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1. the project2. sources on the books3. sources on the ground4. some conclusions5. design recommendations
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<the project>
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Sept Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug
ethnographic research | user testing
2011 2012
development of SwiftRiver
Understanding sources/WikiSweeper
by: in collaboration with: funded by:
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problems: 1. collaboratively track news sources 2. find reliable sources in unfamiliar media environments3. confusion around the reliability of social media sources
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design goal:build a system to help Wikipedians and/or other knowledge workers to discover, manage and verify (social media) sources during rapidly evolving events
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research goal:discover how (social media) sources are chosen, managed and verified in rapidly evolving WP articles
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</the project>Tuesday, May 1, 2012
<sources_on_the_books>
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Webcomic_xkcd_-_Wikipedian_protester.png CC BY NC by xkcd
xkcd
WP:SOURCE (or “Verifiability not truth”)
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WP:RS (or “reliable sources”)
book author publisher+ +
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• Number of people involved
• Number of citations in citation indexes
• type of article
• “published” status
• primary, secondary or tertiary sources
Specific to news reporting:
• identity of the author
• specificity and depth
• verified
• circular sourcing
• context
• reputation
WP:RS (or “reliable sources”)
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Primary sources Secondary sources Tertiary sourceseye witness accounts
directly involved in an eventsecond hand accounts
one step removed from an event
summarize primary and secondary sources
diarywork of art
political decision
review articlejournal article
encyclopediaother compendia
textbook
Can be used but only with care. Any interpretation of primary source material
requires a reliable secondary source
Articles may make an analytic or evaluative claim only if it has been published
by a reliable source
Reliably published tertiary sources can be helpful in
providing broad summaries of topics that involve many
primary and secondary sources, esp. when sources
contradict each other.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:PSTS#Primary.2C_secondary_and_tertiary_sources
WP:RS (or “reliable sources”)
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context is critical
Primary sources Secondary sources Tertiary sourceseye witness accounts
directly involved in an eventsecond hand accounts
one step removed from an event
summarize primary and secondary sources
diarywork of art
political decision
review articlejournal article
encyclopediaother compendia
textbook
Can be used but only with care. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source
Articles may make an analytic or evaluative claim only if it has been published by a reliable source
Reliably published tertiary sources can be helpful in providing broad summaries of topics that involve many primary and secondary sources, esp when sources contradict each other.
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
context is critical
Primary sources Secondary sources Tertiary sourceseye witness accounts
directly involved in an eventsecond hand accounts
one step removed from an event
summarize primary and secondary sources
diarywork of art
political decision
review articlejournal article
encyclopediaother compendia
textbook
Can be used but only with care. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source
Articles may make an analytic or evaluative claim only if it has been published by a reliable source
Reliably published tertiary sources can be helpful in providing broad summaries of topics that involve many primary and secondary sources, esp when sources contradict each other.
journalism
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context is critical
Primary sources Secondary sources Tertiary sourceseye witness accounts
directly involved in an eventsecond hand accounts
one step removed from an event
summarize primary and secondary sources
diarywork of art
political decision
review articlejournal article
encyclopediaother compendia
textbook
Can be used but only with care. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source
Articles may make an analytic or evaluative claim only if it has been published by a reliable source
Reliably published tertiary sources can be helpful in providing broad summaries of topics that involve many primary and secondary sources, esp when sources contradict each other.
journalism
WikipediaTuesday, May 1, 2012
</sources_on_the_books>Tuesday, May 1, 2012
<sources_on_the_ground>
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the source <original version+author> of the page can play a significant role
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https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2011_Egyptian_revolution&oldid=409962868
Created by The Egyptian Liberal at 13:26 UTC, 25 January, 2011
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The 2011 Egyptian protests are a continuing series of street demonstrations taking place throughout Egypt from January 2010 onwards with organisers counting on the Tunisian uprising to inspire the crowds to mobilize. The demonstrations and riots were reported to have started over police brutality, State of Emergency Laws, unemployment, the lack of housing, food inflation, corruption, freedom of speech and poor living conditions[1]. The protests main goal is to oust President Hosni Mubarak who has been in power for more than 30 years. While localised protests were already commonplace over previous years, major protests and riots erupted all over the country starting in "25 January" (the date set by Egyptian opposition groups, celebrities and football supporters for a major demonstration)[1].
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The 2011 Egyptian protests are a continuing series of street demonstrations taking place throughout Egypt from January 2010 onwards with organisers counting on the Tunisian uprising to inspire the crowds to mobilize. The demonstrations and riots were reported to have started over police brutality, State of Emergency Laws, unemployment, the lack of housing, food inflation, corruption, freedom of speech and poor living conditions[1]. The protests main goal is to oust President Hosni Mubarak who has been in power for more than 30 years. While localised protests were already commonplace over previous years, major protests and riots erupted all over the country starting in "25 January" (the date set by Egyptian opposition groups, celebrities and football supporters for a major demonstration)[1].
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The 2011 Egyptian protests are a continuing series of street demonstrations taking place throughout Egypt from January 2010 onwards with organisers counting on the Tunisian uprising to inspire the crowds to mobilize. The demonstrations and riots were reported to have started over police brutality, State of Emergency Laws, unemployment, the lack of housing, food inflation, corruption, freedom of speech and poor living conditions[1]. The protests main goal is to oust President Hosni Mubarak who has been in power for more than 30 years. While localised protests were already commonplace over previous years, major protests and riots erupted all over the country starting in "25 January" (the date set by Egyptian opposition groups, celebrities and football supporters for a major demonstration)[1].
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
The 2011 Egyptian protests are a continuing series of street demonstrations taking place throughout Egypt from January 2010 onwards with organisers counting on the Tunisian uprising to inspire the crowds to mobilize. The demonstrations and riots were reported to have started over police brutality, State of Emergency Laws, unemployment, the lack of housing, food inflation, corruption, freedom of speech and poor living conditions[1]. The protests main goal is to oust President Hosni Mubarak who has been in power for more than 30 years. While localised protests were already commonplace over previous years, major protests and riots erupted all over the country starting in "25 January" (the date set by Egyptian opposition groups, celebrities and football supporters for a major demonstration)[1].
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
The 2011 Egyptian protests are a continuing series of street demonstrations taking place throughout Egypt from January 2010 onwards with organisers counting on the Tunisian uprising to inspire the crowds to mobilize. The demonstrations and riots were reported to have started over police brutality, State of Emergency Laws, unemployment, the lack of housing, food inflation, corruption, freedom of speech and poor living conditions[1]. The protests main goal is to oust President Hosni Mubarak who has been in power for more than 30 years. While localised protests were already commonplace over previous years, major protests and riots erupted all over the country starting in "25 January" (the date set by Egyptian opposition groups, celebrities and football supporters for a major demonstration)[1].
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The 2011 Egyptian protests are a continuing series of street demonstrations taking place throughout Egypt from January 2010 onwards with organisers counting on the Tunisian uprising to inspire the crowds to mobilize. The demonstrations and riots were reported to have started over police brutality, State of Emergency Laws, unemployment, the lack of housing, food inflation, corruption, freedom of speech and poor living conditions[1]. The protests main goal is to oust President Hosni Mubarak who has been in power for more than 30 years. While localised protests were already commonplace over previous years, major protests and riots erupted all over the country starting in "25 January" (the date set by Egyptian opposition groups, celebrities and football supporters for a major demonstration)[1].
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https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:Khaled_Mohamed_Saeed_holding_up_a_tiny,_flailing,_stone-faced_Hosni_Mubarak.png
File:Khaled Mohamed Saeed holding up a tiny, flailing, stone-faced Hosni Mubarak.png
(Cartoon) We are all Khaled Said #Jan25
From Latuff on Twitpic: https://twitpic.com/3swvnr
Caption: Khaled Mohamed Saeed holding up a tiny, flailing, stone-faced Hosni Mubarak
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User:The Egyptian Liberal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Egyptian_Liberal 3 April, 2012
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https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:Police_in_civilian_cloth_beating_a_protester_in_Cairo_1.png
File:Police in civilian cloth beating a protester in Cairo 1.png
Screenshot from Al Jazeera video: 29 January 2011 by the Egyptian Liberal
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Where the editors atI feel like I have been editing this page by myself for a while. This would have been cool if It was not about current event. The infos keep coming and honestly, I cant keep up. SO PLEASE HELP! -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 07:59, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I agree that more editors need to come and help. However, and please don't be offended in any way, but I think you should definitely let other editors take the lead, Egyptian Liberal. Although you have done a PHENOMENAL job so far, due to the fact that this issue seems very near and dear to your heart, I feel that perhaps you should step back and let those editors who may have a more objective view take the lead, with you offering guidance and advice. I would also like to tell you that as a fellow Deist, I am not praying for your compatriots, but I am however keeping them and their struggle in mind. I wish you and all of Egypt the best of luck in achieving democracy. Edit: BTW I am not editing this article because I support the protesters vehemently and do not feel that I could maintain a NPOV Lilly (talk) 02:08, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
I completely understand your concern. Some of my friends have hurt during the protests so I might too invested in the article. I have been trying to be as neutral as I much as I can I am still a human. That's why I asked for more editors to come and help to make sure I am not leaning on way or another. It helps that I blow most of anger on twitter and facebook when I get or read bad news. But I think I owe the people who are protesting and those who have passed away to tell their story from a NPOV. I am not nor can I be in Egypt due my university so that my way of standing up to Mubarak and tell him I shall not be silenced and I shall tell the world what happened. I would be happy not to take the lead. That why I asked Lihaas among others to add certain parts that I know I can not do. like the wael part due to my personal relationship with him. I hope you would join us in editing tho. If you maintain a NPOV, trust me, other editors will let you know (me included). P.S Always happy to meet another fellow Deist-- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 09:17, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm glad that you understand and I feel that you have been very neutral so far. You have been doing a FABULOUS job, and I will try to help when I can. Perhaps I will try to write the timeline part. That seems pretty hard to be biased on that page/section. You are right, we do owe those that have died. We owe them a voice. Inshallah, no more people will die, and inshallah Mubarak will be out soon. Salaam. Lilly (talk) 15:39, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
from Archive 5 of the 2011 Egyptian Revolution Talk page
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primary sources are gradually replaced by secondary sources
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1 year later: 13:27 UTC 25 Jan 2012Tuesday, May 1, 2012
1 year later: 13:27 UTC 25 Jan 2012Tuesday, May 1, 2012
1 year later: 13:27 UTC 25 Jan 2012Tuesday, May 1, 2012
the cite is not always the same as the source
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source: live television
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source: live television
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verification by sources on the ground
Wael Ghonim is released and there is a question about him being identified as the Facebook admin of one of the protest groups:
I just spoke to Wael and no, he is still the admin of the page -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 08:57, 8 February 2011
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tags provide cues/warnings regarding the “in progress” nature of the article
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<conclusions>
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WP:RS (or “reliable sources”)
William Beutler: http://thewikipedian.net/2011/04/01/wiki-fools/
book author publisher+ +
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WP:RS (or “reliable sources”)
William Beutler: http://thewikipedian.net/2011/04/01/wiki-fools/
book author publisher+ +
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The blurring of boundaries along traditional RS lines:
- blogs can host reliable secondary source authors- Twitter can provide access to an authentic primary source showing how individuals reacted- Twitter RT by someone like Andy Carvin can be seen as a secondary source
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard
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Pic by Uwe Kils CC BY SA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iceberg.jpg
the cite is not always the same as the source
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</conclusions>Tuesday, May 1, 2012
<design recommendations>
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working from collaboratively managing sources already happening
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</design recommendations>Tuesday, May 1, 2012
http://www.swiftly.org/beta/Tuesday, May 1, 2012
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