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6ote7 !e didnt &ention 5e% 1971': 1878 and 1871; because too &any Se%enth*day d%entists would not

consider these references to an hour and a day as ti&e periods. See 9SD<C 8=.

So, what did llen !hite really say concerning predicting ti&e3

Part 2: #llen %hite warns a!ainst predictin! time after 1844

<ere we $an read the statements of 7llen =. 8hite about no more messages based on time:

1. -/he people will not have another message upon definite time. +fter this period of time,

rea$hing from 1*; to 1**, there $an be no definite tra$ing of the propheti$ time. /he longest

re$koning rea$hes to the autumn of 1**.4 1>R1((, 19>R &;(, ) 91

;. -3 plainly stated at the !a$kson $amp meeting to these fanati$al parties that they were

doing the work of the adversary of souls? they were in darkness. /hey $laimed to have great

light that probation would $lose in 0$tober, 1*. 3 there stated in publi$ that the @ord hadbeen pleased to show me that there would be no definite time in the message given of =od

sin$e 1**.4 ;S> &

&. -0ur position has been one of waiting and wat$hing, with no timeApro$lamation to

intervene between the $lose of the propheti$ periods in 1** and the time of our @ordBs

$oming.4 1(>R ;(

Conclusion of Part 1 and 2:

/here is a big differen$e between a time period and a date. /he )ible does N0/ predi$t any

date after 1**.

8hat 7llen 8hite does say is that there should be no date setting after 1**, but she does not

say that there should not be any C7R30 given, if she had say that she would be in $ontradi$tion

with the )ible verse Duoted in Part 1 aboveE

+gain we should understand the spiritual prin$iple behind these statements: =od does not

want that our spiritual preparation would be badly influen$ed by setting spe$ifi$ dates for <is

oming. 8e need to be ready to die in hrist today anyway.

Part 3: +he first rule of Bible interpretation ,hermeneutics-: literalism

-7very de$laration of S$ripture is to be taken in the most obvious and literal sense, e2$ept

where $onte2t and the wellAknown laws of language show that the terms are figurative, and not

literal, and whatever is figurative must be e2plained by other portions of the )ible whi$h are

literal.4

=. >. <yde, Sy&posiu& on <iblical +er&eneutics A 8ashington .., R< 1996

7llen 8hite said it like this:

-/he language of the )ible should be e2plained a$$ording to its obvious meaning, unless asymbol or figure is employed.4 = 599

/his is $alled the -literal approa$h4. )y this literal approa$h all foundations were laid for

+dventism, the do$trines as well as the e2positions of prophe$ies.

/his approa$h means that even if a passage is in a symboli$ language, the time in the prophe$y

is not ne$essarily symboli$. 3t $ould still be literal. 3t depends of the $onte2t. 3t is onl$ be$ause it

was impossible to interpret literally the period given in the )ible te2t above that we used the #a

day for a year prin$iple%.

a6 3n =reat ontroversy page &;&, we $an read:

F/he one hundred and twent$ $ears to the flood =enesis ':&6?

the se)en da$s that were to pre$ede it,

with fort$ da$s of predicted rain =enesis :*6?

the four hundred $ears of the soGourn of +brahamBs seed =enesis 15:1&6?

the three da$s of the butlerBs and bakerBs dreams =enesis *(:1;A;(6?

the three and a half $ears of famine 1 ings 1:16 Hsee @uke *:;5?I . . .

the se)ent$ $ears. $aptivity !eremiah ;5:116?

Nebu$hadneJJarBs se)en times aniel *:1&A1'6?

/his single page of = &;& is the show$ase of eight 6 time prophe$ies in whi$h times are literaltimes.

Clease note: out of these eight time prophe$ies, two of them are using a symboli$ language:

a6 the three days of the butlerBs and bakerBs dreams =enesis *(:1;A;(6,

b6 the Nebu$hadneJJarBs seven times aniel *:1&A1'6.

3n spite of this symboli$ language the time of these prophe$ies is understood literally, a day for

a dayE /his is totally against what we are taught in the $hur$h. /he $hur$h tea$hes that whenthe language of a prophe$y6 is symboli$ then the time in the prophe$y6 should be understood

by using the sa$rosan$t -Crin$iple4E

/here are * more time periods in the )ible that 7llen 8hite interprets literally. 8e will see

them below in $hapter 1, plus the eight presented in = &;& we have now a total of 1; time

prophe$ies using literal time.

b6 /o these 1; literal time prophe$ies with Duotes from 7llen 8hite, 3 would add ;:

A /he millennium 1((( years6 whi$h is interpreted literally. 3f it was a day for a year it would be

interpreted as meaning &'( ((( yearsE

Clease note that the $onte2t is in symboli$ language but the period is literal.

A /he prophe$y of !esus about <is resurre$tion & days after his death !ohn ;:196:

-!esus answered and said to them, Festroy this temple, and in three days 3 will raise it up.F4

+gain, the $onte2t is in symboli$ language but the period is literal. 3n this verse, !esus

prophesies <is resurre$tion & days after his death, <e uses a time prophe$y & days6 and yet

!esus <imself, our @ord and Savior, dares to refuse using the sa$rosan$t prin$iple of a day for a

yearE1

/his makes a total of 14 time prophe$ies for whi$h we need to use literal time there $ould be

more than 1*6.

Conclusions: we $annot, as honest )ible students, use the day for a year prin$iple blindly.

!esus <imself, in prophe$ies, uses both literal time !ohn ;:196 and symboli$ time @uke 1&:&;,

/he day for a year prin$iple is bibli$al, but only the $onte2t $an tell us if it should be applied or

not, even if the language of the prophe$y is symboli$.

+ll time prophe$ies, in$luding the time prophe$ies of aniel 1;, are first subGe$ted to the literal

time approa$h. 3f the #literal time% approa$h is impossible, then and only then are we allowed to

$onsider a #symboli$ time% approa$h.

Chapter 1

Part 1: General considerations on Daniel 12:

1 >esus, in -u$e 1)7)', )) does also use the day for a year principle?

<erbert ouglas, in /he >essenger of the @ord )oise, 3: CCC+, 1996, &9' writes:

-%!e are still in probationary ti&e. !ill these words always be true3 @b%iously not. Ahe ti&e

will co&e when probation will cease (Dan. 1'71: 5e%. ''711".4

ouglas refers to the $lose of probation and pla$es it in aniel 1;:1 and Rev. ;;:11. 3t seems

therefore that the events des$ribed after an1;:1 will o$$ur after the $lose of probation.

7spe$ially that the final resurre$tion is mentioned on verse ;.

an ; e2plained by vision v. 196

an e2plained by simple angel v. 1'6

an e2plained by =abriel v. 1'6

an 9 e2plained by =abriel v. ;16

an 1(A1; e2plained by /esus v. 5, 1'6 and an angel v. 1;6

8hi$h vision is the most importantK !esus makes the last one the most important.

Clease note that the word for #day% or #days% in the whole book of aniel 1:1;, 1*, 15, 1? :;',

;? 9:, 15? 1(:*, 1;, 1&, 1*? 11:;(, &&? 1;:11, 1;, 1&6 means always literal days. 3f you want to

sear$h it is the word #yLm%, strong number is (&11.

>oreover there is no symboli$ language in aniel 1;. /his prophe$y is the onl$ prophe$y of the

whole book of aniel that does not use symboli$ languageE 3t is the only prophe$y speaking of

the final resurre$tion v.;6

So, what did llen !hite really say about Daniel 1' (and 11"3

Part 2: e)en 0uotes of #llen %hite on Daniel 12 ,and 11-

1* +he prophetic periods of Daniel& etendin! to the )er$ e)e of the !reat consummation,

throw a flood of light upon events then to transpire Mrom R<, September ;5, 1& par. '

2* /wi$e aniel inDuired, how long shall it be to the end of timeK Daniel 12:813 0uoted5

+hese matters are of infinite importance in these last da$s /he book of aniel is unsealedin the revelation to !ohn, and $arries us forward to the last scenes of this earth.s histor$.

Mrom /> 11*, 115

8hy would she say, speaking of aniel 1;:A1&: -/hese matters are of infinite importan$e in

these last days4, if these verses did not apply to the last daysE 3t does not make sense.

3* -3n his vision of the last days aniel inDuired, Daniel 12:813 0uotedI. aniel has been

standing in his lot sin$e the seal was removed and the light of truth has been shining upon his

visions. <e stands in his lot, bearing the testimony which was to be understood at the end of

the da$s.4 Mrom 1S+/ ;;5

4* 6et us read and stud$ the twelfth chapter of Daniel* It is a warnin! that we shall allneed to understand before the time of the end* Mrom 15>R ;;

/his last Duote speaks of a warning for the end. /his means that the periods of aniel 1; are a

warning for us. + warning is not about something that is past. 0r it would not be a warning for

usE 3t is for something that will happen in the future. 3s, then, 7llen 8hite futuristK

5. /he light that aniel re$eived dire$t from =od was given espe$ially for these last days.

/he visions he saw by the banks of the lai and the <iddekel, the great rivers of Shinar, are now

in pro$ess of fulfillment, and all the events foretold will soon have $ome to pass. O/r &&5.*P

1'>R &&*.;? @etter 5, 187'*

'. aniel 11 and aniel 1; are one vision: many $riti$s have used this as an argument

against a literal understanding of the time prophe$ies of aniel 1;. /hey think that aniel 11

$an have but one fulfillment and therefore aniel 1; also has only one fulfillment see e2amples

of these $riti$s in ppendi D and # below6. 7ven though it is very surprising, 7llen 8hite says

that aniel 11 will be repeated:

-/he prophe$y in the eleventh of aniel has nearly rea$hed its $omplete fulfillment. >u$h of

the history that has taken pla$e in fulfillment of this prophe$y will be repeated . 3n the thirtieth

verse a power is spoken of that Fshall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against theholy $ovenant: so shall he do? he shall even return, and have intelligen$e with them that forsake

the holy $ovenant.F H"erses &1A&' of aniel 11, Duoted.I4 O1&>R &9*.1P

/he argument that seemed to be against a literal fulfillment of the time periods of aniel 1;

turns out to be in favor of itE

Clease note that she Duotes verse &1 of aniel 11: “And they will set up the abomination of

desolation.”

/his gives us total liberty to see a se$ond6 set up of the abomination of desolation: at the end

. >oreover, in the ne2t paragraph, 7llen 8hite writes:

-S$enes similar to those des$ribed in these words will take pla$e. 8e see eviden$e that Satan is

fast obtaining the $ontrol of human minds who have not the fear of =od before them. @et all

read and understand the prophe$ies of this book, for we are now entering upon the time of

trouble spoken of: Haniel 1;:1A*, DuotedI4. O1&>R &9*.;P.

She pla$es the -time of distress su$h as never was4 of aniel 1;:1 at the end of time

on$lusion: 3n seven passages 7llen 8hite implies that aniel 1; has a last day fulfillment, Gust

before the Se$ond oming.

Part 3: #llen %hite on 9e)elation 13:

-/he Sabbath Duestion will be the issue in the great $onfli$t in whi$h all the world will a$t a

part. HRev. 1&:*A1( Duoted.I /his entire $hapter is a revelation of what will surely take pla$e

HRev. 1&:11, 15A1 Duoted.4I >S , 19, ) 99.1(

-3n the last days Satan will appear as an angel /hen will take pla$e the final fulfillment of the

Revelator%s prophe$y Revelation 1&:*A1 Duoted6 the beast was given a mouth to utter proud

words and blasphemies and to e2er$ise his authority for fortyAtwo months4. 19 >R ;;

Noti$e that she starts to Duote after verse &, be$ause verse & speaking of the healing of the

wound6 will not ha)e 2 fulfillments. /hank =odE

/his Duote says that there will be a final fulfillment of the *; months period of perse$ution

verse *6 against those who dwell in heaven verse 56, that is the people of =od who are by faithin the temple of =od 7ph ;:'6. /his $onfirms a literal appli$ation of the propheti$ time periods

of aniel 1;.

Part 4: +he se0uence of e)ents:

7llen 8hite also states:

-GodBs long*suffering has ended. Ahe world has reected +is &ercy, despised +is lo%e, and

tra&pled upon +is law. /he wi$ked have passed the boundary of their probation, and the -ordwithdraws +is protection, and lea%es the& to the &ercy of the leader they ha%e chosen. +s

the $rowning a$t in the great drama of de$eption, Satan himself will attempt to personate

hrist.4Q*SC **1, **;. /+ ;5.

8e see here that Satan will impersonate hrist after the $lose of probation. See ppendi B

below for the $omplete Duotes.

/herefore the order of events is a6 $lose of probation

b6 Satan personating hrist

$6 1;'( days the 1st

beast perse$uting the saints.

8e also know see Revelation 1&: 11A16 that the Sunday @aws will happen )7M0R7 the end of

probationE

+herefore the order of e)ents is:

a6 unda$ law

b6 close of probation

$6 atan personatin! Christ

d6 Durin! 12'; literal da$s the 1st

beast persecutes the saints ,2nd

fulfillment of 9e) 13-*

Conclusion of Chapter 1:

1. Considerin! that the SeventhAday +dventist traditional view of the periods of aniel 1;

rea$hes 1*& and not 1** See +ppendi2 +6,

;. considerin! that the ;&(( days of aniel are N0/ linked to the 1&&5 days they do not

rea$h the same date6 See +ppendi2 +6,

&. considerin! that we should first use the hermeneuti$s prin$iple of a literal approa$h,

*. considerin! that even the )ible is setting periods of time not dates6 after 1**,

5. considerin! that 9 times 7llen 8hite is applying the time periods of aniel 1; and Rev

1&:* and ; times respe$tively6 to the end time, Gust prior to the Se$ond oming of

!esus,

considerin! that 7llen 8hite announ$es a se$ond and final fulfillment of the *; months

of Revelation 1&:5,

. considerin! that 7llen 8hite announ$es a se$ond fulfillment of -mu$h of the history4 of

aniel 11

. considerin! that we do not deny a first appli$ation of the 1&&5 days to 5( and 1*&,

9. considerin! that the )ible uses at least6 1* times the da$ for a da$ prin$iple, in$luding

endorsement by !esus <imself,

1(. considerin! that at least6 * times the )ible uses symboli$ propheti$ language with a

literal a day for a day6 time prophe$y:

It is then not antibiblical nor a!ainst our beliefs to sa$ that the time periods of Dan12:<13 ,which had a first fulfilment- will ha)e a second application with literal da$s at

the end& after the close of probation*

!hat do the daily and the abo&ination of desolation represent3 Ahis is the uestion we will

discuss now.

Chapter 2: +he dail$ and the abomination of desolation

Part 1: +he dail$ 8hen you read the writings of 7llen 8hite you $annot but noti$e that she sets a parallel or uses

the same e2pression or between the e2perien$es of !esus and of the last days% believers.

!esus re$eived the full measure of the <oly Spirit when <e was baptiJed. 8hat will be the

parallel for =od%s people in the last daysK

/he latter rain will be the full outpouring of the <oly Spirit on =od%s people.

+s !esus ministered for *; months after <is baptism so the people of =od will minister for *;

months after the $ompletion of the outpouring of the <oly Spirit over the earth.

/he outpouring of the <oly Spirit latter rain6 is also the sealing time: 7verybody%s destiny will

be sealed for eternity, either heavenAbound or hellAbound, no se$ond $han$e. /his is why the

$lose of probation happens after the outpouring of the <oly Spirit.

/herefore the *; months ministry of the last days% believers will be after the $lose of probation.

/hese *; months are the 1;'( days of aniel 1;:.

+t the $lose of probation !esus stops <is daily ministry of inter$ession in the most holy pla$e of

the heavenly san$tuary for ever. <e literally -taketh away the daily 4E

/he *; months of !esus% ministry parallel a *;Amonths period of papal perse$ution on =od%people at the end, after the $lose of probation.

Part 2: But& what is the abomination of desolation"

+fter his *; months of ministry, !esus was arrested and tried. uring his trial, Satan did

something very spe$ifi$: <e pushed the !ewish people to free )arabbas instead of hrist.

-/his man H)arabbasI had $laimed to be the >essiah. <e $laimed authority to establish a

different order of things, to set the world right.4 + &&

/his is e2a$tly what Satan will do when he will personate hrist: <e will $laim -to be the

>essiah and to have authority to establish a different order of things, to set the world right4.

/he release of )arabbas was the most abominable a$t of all times be$ause it brought with it the

-death de$ree4 for !esus. 3t was the abomination of desolation of that time of all timesK6.

3n the same way, Satan personating hrist, at the very end, will be the most abominable a$t

be$ause it will bring with it the death de$ree for the last days% believers.

/hat%s why both events $an be $alled the abomination of desolation.

/o finish the parallel between )arabbas and Satan, please take note of the meaning of)arabbas: #son of father%E )arabbas means Bson of fatherB, and Satan wants to be $alled Son of

the MatherE

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+fter )arabbas was freed, !esus was $ondemned and e2e$uted:

Carallel at the end:

+fter Satan personates hrist the death de$ree against =od%s people will be issued.

!esus was raised from the dead,

/he saints will be res$ued at the end of the 1&&5 days.

/here was a partial resurre$tion,

/here will be also a partial resurre$tion.

@ater, !erusalem was destroyed,

/he destru$tion of the world by the th

plague.

8e therefore have the following table:

Part 3

+I=# Dail$ +a>en

wa$ b$

bomination of

Desolation

len!th of

persecution

Nebu$hadneJJar

when hedestroyed

!erusalem

1' BC +ntio$hus

7piphanus K 1(5 days

2<31 D

!esus. 8hen <e

died, <e put an

end to the

sa$rifi$e and

offering aniel

)arabbas, son of father 1;'( days

<; D /he !ewsE

aniel 9:;' /he RomansE

8as it 1;'(

;8 R. nion of

$hur$h and state

Cope sits -in the temple

of =od, showing himself

that he is =od4

1;'( years

end ofprobation

!esus. <e will

take away the

daily when <e

will $ome out of

the san$tuary

Satan personates !esus

and wants prayers

addressed to himself.

1;'( days

Chapter 3:

%hat will happen"

8e saw in Cart * of $hapter 1 the seDuen$e of events.

“As soon as they finish shattering the power of the holy people, all these events will be completed.” (Dan.

12:7b)

8ho are the #they% that shatters the power of the holy peopleK 3t is =od the /rinityE6 that

breaks the power of Satan in us:

-/he time of trouble is the crucible that is to bring out hristlike $hara$ters. 3t is designed to

lead the people of =od to renoun$e Satan and his temptations. /he last $onfli$t will reveal

Satan to them in his true $hara$ter, that of a $ruel tyrant, and it will do for them what nothing

else $ould do, uproot him entirely from their affe$tions. Mor to love and $herish sin, is to love

and $herish its author, that deadly foe of hrist. 8hen they e2$use sin and $ling to perversity of

$hara$ter, they give Satan a pla$e in their affe$tions, and pay him homage.4 0< &;1. (%en

though the uote does not &ention Daniel 1', the language used is without doubt referring to

Daniel 1'79b and therefore it adds another state&ent of llen !hite to our proposal of a second

literal fulfill&ent of the ti&e periods of Daniel 1'."

/he perse$ution mentioned earlier is a $ru$ible for =od%s people.

3t will take 1;'( days for the power ego, self, old man6 of the holy people to be $ompletely

broken. =od does this work. 3t will be done under the perse$uting power of the beast.

/hen, at the end of the 1&&5 days, the blessing $omes not the disappoint&ent, like in 1*&A**,

end point of the traditional view of the 1&&5 daysE6: -3t is at midnight that =od manifests <is

power for the deliveran$e of <is people4 = '&'6, during the th

plague = '&5A'*(6.

/hen, the special resurre$tion takes pla$e: F/hey also whi$h pier$ed <imF Revelation 1:6,

those that mo$ked and derided hristBs dying agonies, and the most violent opponents of <is

truth and <is people, are raised to behold <im in <is glory and to see the honor pla$ed upon

the loyal and obedient.4 = '&6.

/he 1;'( days of perse$ution start after Satan personates hrist abomination of desolation6.

/herefore the 1;'( days are $ounted forward from that event until the end of perse$ution.

/he 1;9( days are $ounted ba$kward like from 19 ba$kward to 5(6 from the end of

perse$ution until the event before the personation of hrist by Satan: the $losest important

event is the close of probation.

Clease note: 3t is logi$al to $ount ba$kward to arrive at the $lose of probation be$ause those

living in these last days will not >now when the $lose of probation will happen.

/hen, 1&&5 days are $ounted forward like from 5( forward to 1*&6 starting from the end of

probation. /his period will bring us to the partial resurre$tion.

/herefore there are *5 days from the end of the 1;'( days until the end of the 1&&5 days when

the partial resurre$tion happens. <ope to see you there.

/he following day the voi$e of =od to deliver <is people is heard: this makes it to 4' da$s

parallel with the *' years of !ohn ;:;(E See ppendi ? below6. /he temple of =od, <is

perfe$ted $hur$h $omposed of the living saints on earth, is finally ready to go to heaven.

/hen, -/he voi$e of =od is heard from heaven, de$laring the day and hour of !esusB $oming, and

delivering the everlasting $ovenant to <is people.4 = '*(6

<e <imself will tell us the time of !esus% return.

PP#@DIA

imple rithmetic

7very SeventhAday +dventist should know that our traditional view of the 1&&5 days of aniel

1; rea$hes the year 1*& and not 1**6.

6ist of >nown d)entist writers who mentioned that our traditional )iew is ;8 133

Clease see at the end for the detailed bibliography of this +ppendi26

1. riah Smith in -aniel Revelation4, p. &&1A&&;:

FMrom the same point, undoubtedly, as that from whi$h the 1;9( date, namely, +.. 5(

?rom this point the$ would etend to 1843& for 133 added to ;8 ma>es 18435 /he only

thing promised at the end of the 1&&5 days is a blessing 6oo>in! at the $ear of 1843& when

these $ears epired& what do we beholdK 8e see a remarkable fulfillment of prophe$y in the

great pro$lamation of the se$ond $oming of hrist.F

;. -)ible Readings for the <ome ir$le4, p. 1;&:

-B)lessed is he that waits, and $omes to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.F

an. 1;: 1;.

N0/7 A /he 1&&5 days years6 of )ible readings for the <ome ir$le4: aniel 1;:1; are evidently

a $ontinuation of the 1;9( days years6 of the previous verse, whi$h $ommen$e with the taking

away of the mediation of hrist, in the year +. 5( +he 133 da$s& or $ears& would therefore

etend to the $ear 1843F

&. "an$e Merrell, in -+ )ibli$al efense efending our <istori$ )eliefs about the San$tuary

in aniel and <ebrews4, p. ;', 1*:

-+bout the year +.. 5( lovis, king of the Mranks, was $onverted to atholi$ism and the

vi$tory over the =oths o$$urred. /he $onversion of the Mranks Mran$e6 and =oths =ermany6

would, in later $enturies, result in greatly strengthening papal suprema$y? so this was an

important date. 8e have always marked this as the beginning of the important 1;9(Ayear

prophe$y 1;:116 +he 133$ear prophec$ of the net )erse ,12:12- also be!ins at ;8 and

reaches to 1843* +his )iew is a correct historical fulfillment and a!rees with our historic

beliefs* /he FdailyF is applied to what happened when the 1;9(A instead of 1;'(Ayear6

prophe$y began and establishes the +.. 5( date.F

*. 8illiam >iller, in -"iews of Crophe$y4, p. &(:

Faniel 1;: 1;, 1& Duoted. 8hen will the end of these days beK ou may inDuire. 3 answer,

133 $ears from ta>in! awa$ the first abomination of the 9oman >in!dom& *D* ;8& to which

add 133 and it ma>es *D* 1843, when aniel will stand in his lot, and all who have waited for

the @ord will be blessed.F

5. +lfred ranJ, in FNotes on anielF, p. ':

-1. )lessed is he that waits,4 indi$ates that the termination of the 1&&5 years is after 19, and

that they have a $ommon starting point with the 1;9( years.

;. +his brin!s us to 1843? and those who were privileged to live then, beheld the unfolding of

the great prophe$ies of =od%s 8ord, and the $ommen$ement of the restoration of the

san$tuary truth so long obs$ured by Rome.4

'. =eorge >$ready Cri$e in -/he =reatest 0f the Crophets A + New ommentary on the)ook of aniel4, p. 1*9:

Faniel 1;: 1; Duoted 8here are these 1&&5 years to startK No beginning date is here given?

and any attempt to assign their beginning must ne$essarily be only a hypothesis, or what

s$ientists would $all Fan edu$ated guess.F

riah mith said the$ must be!in D ;8, or from the same date as the pre$eding period of

1;9( years.

/hus this new period would terminate in 1843& which was the first date fied upon b$ the

d)entists associated with %illiam =iller for the actual second ad)ent of Christ.4

. Stephen <askell in -)ible <andbook4, p. '':

Faniel 1;:1;. +s there is no beginning point given here, we understand the period begins at

the same date given in verse 11? ;8 *D* plus 133 e0uals 1843 *D. /hen the glad news of

hristBs return was pro$laimed.F

/he previous Duotes show the traditional +dventist understanding: the 1&&5 days of aniel

1;:1; ended in 1*& and not in 1** like a few +dventists try to pretend today. 8e are not

reGe$ting this traditional interpretation.

0N@S30N:

o we arrive to 0$tober ;;, 1** when we start from the de$ree of +rta2er2es of *5 ).. and

add ;&(( $omplete yearsK /he answer is 7S. /he author of this proposal is upholding this

eternal truth.

o we arrive to 0$tober ;;, 1** if we start from 5( + and add 1&&5 $omplete yearsK /he

answer is N0.

/herefore, even in the traditional +dventist interpretation, the two timelines aniel :1* and

aniel 1;:1;6 do TN0/T rea$h the same point in time and there is no )ible te2t saying that =od

wanted them to rea$h the same point.

/his is not part of our +dventist do$trines and never has been.

a$in! that the time periods of Daniel 12 ha)e a literal future fulfillment does not affect thefoundation of the e)enthda$ d)entist church on the prophec$ of Daniel 8:14 reachin! to

Ectober& 22 1844*

Note: /his +ppendi2 + has been added be$ause some +dventists are trying to link these ;

timelines by saying that 5( U 1&&5 V 1**E6 and by doing this want to deny a se$ond

fulfillment of the time periods of aniel 1;.

PP#@DIA B

3n *SC, Duoted in /+, 7llen 8hite states that Satan will personate hrist ?+#9 the end of

probation:

-/he wrath of Satan in$reases as his time grows short, and his work of de$eit and destru$tion

rea$hes its $ulmination in the time of trouble. GodBs long*suffering has ended. Ahe world has

reected +is &ercy, despised +is lo%e, and tra&pled upon +is law. +he wic>ed ha)e passed the

boundar$ of their probation and the -ord withdraws +is protection, and lea%es the& to the

&ercy of the leader they ha%e chosen. . .

s the crownin! act in the !reat drama of deception& atan himself will attempt to personate

Christ. /he $hur$h has long professed to look to the Savior%s advent as the $onsummation of

her hopes. Now the great de$eiver will make it appear that hrist has $ome. 3n different partsof the earth, Satan will manifest himself among men as a maGesti$ being of daJJling brightness,

resembling the des$ription of the Son of =od given by !ohn in the Revelation. /he glory that

surrounds him is unsurpassed by anything that mortal eyes have yet beheld. /he shout of

triumph rings out upon the air, -hrist has $omeE hrist has $omeE4

/he people prostrate themselves in adoration before him, while he lifts up his hands, and

pronoun$es a blessing upon them, as hrist blessed <is dis$iples when <e was personally upon

the earth. <is voi$e is soft and subdued, yet full of melody. 3n gentle, $ompassionate tones he

presents some of the same gra$ious, heavenly truths whi$h the Savior uttered? he heals the

diseases of the people, and then, in his assumed $hara$ter of hrist, he $laims to have $hanged

the Sabbath to Sunday, and $ommands all to hallow the day whi$h he has blessed. <e de$lares

that those who persist in keeping holy the seventh day are blaspheming his name by refusing to

listen to his angels sent to them with light and truth. /his is the strong, almost overmastering

delusion.4Q*SC **1, **;. /+ ;5.

on$lusion: Satan will personate hrist after the end of the time of probation.

PP#@DIA C

ccordin! to #llen %hite some prophecies will ha)e a second fulfillment

1. >atthew ;*:

/he Savior%s prophe$y $on$erning the visitation of Gudgments upon !erusalem is to have

another fulfillment, of whi$h that terrible desolation was but a faint shadow.

/he ruin of !erusalem was a symbol of the final ruin that shall overwhelm the world. /he

prophe$ies that re$eived a partial fulfillment in the overthrow of !erusalem have a more dire$t

appli$ation to the last days.

!esus did not answer <is dis$iples by taking up separately the destru$tion of !erusalem and the

great day of <is $oming. <e mingled the des$ription of these two events 3n mer$y to them <e

blended the des$ription of the two great $rises, leaving the dis$iples to study out the meaning

for themselves. 8hen <e referred to the destru$tion of !erusalem, <is propheti$ words rea$hed

beyond that event to the final $onflagration in that day when the @ord shall rise out of <is pla$e

to punish the world for their iniDuity, when the earth shall dis$lose her blood, and shall no more

$over her slain. /his entire dis$ourse was given, not for the dis$iples only, but for those who

should live in the last s$enes of this earthBs history. O+ ';.1P

;. +s we have already seen, some of aniel 11 will be repeated

/he prophe$y in the eleventh of aniel has nearly rea$hed its $omplete fulfillment. >u$h of the

history that has taken pla$e in fulfillment of this prophe$y will be repeated. O1&>R &9*.1P

&. /he temple in heaven%s opening will repeat in future Rev 11:196

3t opened in 1**:

/he temple of =od was opened in heaven, and there was seen in <is temple the ark of <is

testament.F Revelation 11:19 /herefore the announ$ement that the temple of =od was

opened in heaven and the ark of <is testament was seen points to the opening of the most holy

pla$e of the heavenly san$tuary in 1** as hrist entered there to perform the $losing work of

the atonement. O= *&&.1P

3t will open again in the future:

8hen =odBs temple in heaven is opened, what a triumphant time that will be for all who have

been faithful and trueE 3n the temple will be seen the ark of the testament in whi$h were pla$ed

the two tables of stone, on whi$h are written =odBs law. /hese tables of stone will be brought

forth from their hiding pla$e, and on them will be seen the /en ommandments engraved by

the finger of =od. /hese tables of stone now lying in the ark of the testament will be a

$onvin$ing testimony to the truth and binding $laims of =odBs law @etter *, 19(;6. O)

+s we have already seen, Revelation 1& will be repeated

/he Sabbath Duestion will be the issue in the great $onfli$t in whi$h all the world will a$t a part.

HRev. 1&:*A1( Duoted.I /his entire $hapter is a revelation of what will surely take pla$e HRev.

1&:11, 15A1 DuotedI >S , 196. O) 99.1(P

-3n the last days Satan will appear as an angel /hen will take pla$e the final fulfillment of the

Revelator%s prophe$y Revelation 1&:*A1 Duoted6 the beast was given a mouth to utter proud

words and blasphemies and to e2er$ise his authority for fortyAtwo months4. 19 >R, ;;

5. 8e have to distinguish between Crimary Se$ondary +ppli$ation on one hand vs. Mirst

Se$ond Mulfillment on the other hand

- F+nd it shall $ome to pass afterward /hat 3 will pour out >y Spirit on all flesh? our sons and

your daughters shall prophesy, our old men shall dream dreams, our young men shall see

visions. +nd also on y menservants and on y maidservants 3 will pour out >y Spirit in those

days. F+nd 3 will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: )lood and fire and pillars of

smoke. /he sun shall be turned into darkness, +nd the moon into blood, )efore the $oming of

the great and awesome day of the @0R. +nd it shall $ome to pass Ahat whoever $alls on the

name of the @0R Shall be saved. Mor in >ount Wion and in !erusalem there shall be

deliveran$e, +s the @0R has said, +mong the remnant whom the @0R $alls.4 !oe ;:;A&;6

fulfillment at Cente$ost: /his 1st

fulfillment in time6 is se$ondary in importan$e

-1' )ut this is that whi$h was spoken by the prophet !oel? 1 +nd it shall $ome to pass in the

last days, saith =od, 3 will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters

shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 1

+nd on my servants and on my handmaidens 3 will pour out in those days of my Spirit? and they

shall prophesy: 19 +nd 3 will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath?

blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: ;( /he sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon

into blood, before that great and notable day of the @ord $ome: ;1 +nd it shall $ome to pass,

that whosoever shall $all on the name of the @ord shall be saved.4 +$ ;:1'A;1 +"6

fulfillment at the end: /his ;nd

fulfillment in time6 is primary or essential6 in importan$e

- +nd after these things 3 saw another angel $ome down from heaven, having great power?

and the earth was lightened with his glory. +nd he $ried mightily with a strong voi$e, saying,

)abylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is be$ome the habitation of devils, and the hold of

every foul spirit, and a $age of every un$lean and hateful bird.4 Re 1:1A; +"6

'. +he 4th

& and <th

seals will be repeated:

/he same spirit is seen today that is represented in 9e)elation ':'8. Fistor$ is to be

repeated. +hat which has been will be a!ain* /his spirit works to $onfuse and to perple2.

issension will be seen in every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, and those who have not

had a spirit to follow the light that =od has given through <is living ora$les, through <is

appointed agen$ies, will be$ome $onfused. /heir Gudgment will reveal weakness. isorder andstrife and $onfusion will be seen in the $hur$h. ;(>R 199

%hen the fifth seal was opened, !ohn the Revelator in vision saw beneath the altar the

$ompany that were slain for the 8ord of =od and the testimony of !esus hrist. fter this came

the scenes described in the ei!hteenth of 9e)elation, when those who are faithful and true are

$alled out from )abylon HRevelation 1:1A5 DuotedI >S &9, 19('6. ) 9'

9e)elation ' and < are full of meanin!. /errible are the Gudgments of =od revealed. +he se)en

an!els stood before God to recei)e their commission* +o them were !i)en se)en trumpets*

/he @ord was going forth to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniDuity, and the earthwas to dis$lose her blood and no more $over her slain. =ive the des$ription in $hapter '. 15>R

. +he ,se)en"- trumpets will be repeated:

Solemn events before us are yet to transpire. +rumpet after trumpet is to be sounded, vial

after vial poured out one after another upon the inhabitants of the earth. S$enes of stupendous

interest are right upon us @etter 11;, 19(6. ) 9;

Ahese uotes concerning the seals and the tru&pets that will be repeated are here ust for

reference and infor&ation. # a& not i&plying that all these e%ents will be after the close of

probation. So&e &ay happen before. Ao be studied.

PP#@DIA D

/his appendi2 answers the arguments given in the arti$le, -/he 1;'( days in the )ook of

Revelation4, by !on Caulien (Sil%er Spring, D7 <iblical 5esearch #nstitute, no date".

!onathan . Caulien is an e2pert on the book of Revelation. Caulien wrote many books, among

these are -+rmageddon at the oor4 ;((6 and -/he eep /hings of =od4 ;((*6. /he purpose

of the arti$le mentioned above is to prove that the five #1;'( days periods% mentioned in the

book of Revelation are referring to the same past period from 5& + to 19 +6. /herefore,

the 1;'( days of Revelation are the main theme of this arti$le. 8e will therefore limit our

remarks and answers here to the effe$t of Caulien%s ideas in this arti$le on our subGe$t, the time

periods of aniel 1;.

/he methodology of the arti$le itself is e2egesis. +fter showing some parallel verses in aniel

and aniel 1;, Caulien introdu$es his own theory of *6 phases of a$tion, four su$$essive stages

of history present in the prophe$ies of Revelation. <e then goes on to e2plain that Revelation1&:1A does not $ontain the last phase of history be$ause of the past tense used in the original

=reek te2t.

8e $an apply to this arti$le Ranko Stefanovi$%s words: -a good $ommentary should not impose

any parti$ular approa$h on the te2t. /he method of interpretation an author $hooses normally

governs the way he or she reads and interprets the te2t. 3t usually results in for$ing an

interpretation into the framework of a predetermined idea, regardless of whether or not it fits

the $onte2t 3t is imperative that every e2positor let the te2t govern its interpretation instead

of imposing one%s idea on the book.4;

>r. Caulien has the right to use his own method of interpretation on Revelation to $onfirm thetraditional understanding of the SeventhAday +dventist $hur$h but he $annot say that other

ideas are wrong be$ause they do not fit his method of interpretation. /he theory of >r.

Caulien, of * phases, in and of itself $loses the door to &ore phases and therefore e2$ludes

from the start a possible se$ond fulfillment of Revelation 1&. +nother weakness of his arti$le is

the relian$e on nonA+dventists writings and ignoran$e of =od%s prophetess% writings on the

subGe$t.

Caulien mentions a parallel between an 1;:*A and Rev 1(:5A' whi$h is real: but we should not

forget that 7llen 8hite mentions that -the time of trouble is the crucible that is to bring out

hristlike $hara$ters4& in the very last days. 3n other words, she pla$es an 1;: during the time

of trouble pre$eding the se$ond oming.

8e do not disagree with the argument of Caulien $on$erning some verbs at the past tense in

Rev 1&:1A. 8e do not deny that the *; months of Revelation 1& have a past fulfillment 5&A

196. )ut they have a se$ond fulfillment at the end. /his idea is supported by 7llen 8hite: see

Part 3 of $hapter 1 above. 8e send the reader to this paper whi$h has shown ample support

from the )ible and from 7llen 8hite for a ;nd

fulfillment of the 1;'( days of aniel 1; and the

*; months of Rev 1&:5 in the future, to refuse limiting the *; months of Revelation 1& to a past

fulfillment.

PP#@DIA #

/his appendi2 answers the arguments given in -/he 1,;9( and 1,&&5 ays of aniel 1;4, by

+lberto R. /imm, (Sil%er Spring, D7 <iblical 5esearch #nstitute, ';;'".

2 Ranko Stefanovic, Revelation of Jesus Christ (Berrien Springs, MI: Andrews University Press, 2009) , 143 Ellen White, OHC 321 (emphasis mine)

3n the third argument >r. /imm only proved that one theory was wrong, but there are many

other theories that do not $laim that the daily represents the Sunday @aw, for e2ample this

do$ument. 3n the fourth argument >r. /imm is using the words -!esuit, atholi$, $ounterA

reformation4 to speak of his brothers and sisters in hrist who are saying that the time

prophe$ies of aniel 1; have another but future fulfillment. 8e are kindly asking >r. /imm thefollowing Duestion:

-/o say that the fulfillments of Revelation ':A1 the *th

and 'th

seals6, of Revelation to 1(

the th

seal and the trumpets6, and of Revelation 1&:*A1 first and se$ond beast6 are in the

future whi$h is in total opposition to the traditional +dventist view6 is it also propagating

Jesuit, Catholic, counter-reformation ideas in the Se%enth*day d%entist churchK4

3f this is the $ase, then we are in good $ompany with 7llen 8hite herself who mentions these

events for the future: see ppendi C ' and < above. +s dire$tor of the )raJilian 7llen =.

8hite Resear$h enter, >r. /imm should have known these statements.

on$erning the fifth argument, we agree with the author that -=od has not revealed to us the

time when this message will $lose, or when probation will have an end.F 0ur paper proposes a

fulfillment of aniel 1; after the $lose of probation. 8e will never know when probation

$loses, therefore we are not setting any date for the se$ond $oming either.

8e will end with >r. /imm%s se$ond argument that aniel 11 and 1; are one undividable vision

and therefore the time prophe$ies of the $hapter 1; are for the events mentioned in $hapter

11 and $annot be repeated. See Part 2 of $hapter 1 above. )ut 7llen 8hite predi$ted a

repetition of some prophe$ies of aniel 11:

-/he prophe$y in the eleventh of aniel has nearly rea$hed its $omplete fulfillment. >u$h of

the history that has taken pla$e in fulfillment of this prophe$y will be repeatedE.4

Clease note the verse &1 that is Duoted here and of whi$h 7llen 8hite says it will be repeated:

-+nd for$es shall stand on his part, and they shall profane the san$tuary, even the fortress, and

shall take away the $ontinual HburntXofferingI, and they shall set up the abomination that

ma>eth desolate.4 aniel 11:&1 +S"6

learly, by Duoting this verse, 7llen 8hite is telling us that the abomination of desolation will be

repeated at the end. /his is not a surprise to us, as it is what we have shown, but this uniDue

Duote alone totally destroys the whole paper of >r. /imm. >oreover, knowing there will be a

se$ond fulfillment of aniel 11 and that aniel 11 and 1; are but one vision, we $an affirm that

aniel 1; will also be repeated.

9 Ellen White, Ellen G. White writings, CD (whiteestate.org, Ellen G. White Estate, Inc., 2008), 13MR 394.1

!ust after the passage of 1&>R Duoted above, 7llen 8hite wrote, -@et all read and understand

the prophe$ies of this book, for we are now entering upon the time of trouble spoken of:

Haniel 1;:1A*, Duoted.I4 in 1&>R &9*.;. Now, if in 19(* the SeventhAday +dventists were on

the threshold of the time of trouble spoken of in aniel 1;:1A*, how $an we say, as our

traditional view pretends, that the time prophe$ies of aniel 1; ended in 1*&A**K /his Gustdoes not add up. 3t Gust does not make sense.

>ore was written that disproves >r. /imm%s arguments see this do$ument6 some of whi$h we

dis$overed after writing this answer to >r. /imm%s arti$le1(

. 8e would, of $ourse, also be

delighted to ask >r. /imm dire$tor of an 7llen =. 8hite Resear$h enter6 why he deliberately

ignores the 1;'( days of aniel 1;, ignores the four other statements that we know of6 made

by 7llen 8hite $on$erning an endAtime fulfillment of aniel 1; see Part 2 of $hapter 1 above6,

and ignores the end time fulfillment of the time of trouble of >atthew ;* in parallel to aniel

/o Duote >r. /imm himself, we will say that his -theory is based on a partial and biased reading

of the Spirit of Crophe$y4 and of the )ible. >r. /imm%s findings are not valid and we $annot

agree with his $on$lusions.

3n this answer we have established that >r. /imm%s arguments do not make a $ase against a

se$ond literal appli$ation of the time prophe$ies of aniel 1;. >oreover, we have proved that

his se$ond argument turns in favor of a se$ond literal fulfillment of aniel 1;: 7llen 8hite

herself is telling us that the abomination of desolation will be repeated at the end. +gain, this is

not a surprise: is it not normal that the enemy will present the abomination of desolation as his

last resort to de$eive the whole worldK 3ndeed, it is.

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6etHs tal> about Bab$lon

/he old )abylon of Nebu$hadneJJar destroyed the 1st

6 temple. /hen the temple was rebuilt,

this was the ;nd

temple.

3t took *' years to rebuilt it !ohn ;:;(, ;16.

10 http://omega77.tripod.com/daniel12historicview (accessed January 4, 2013).

Biblio!raph$ of ppendi

1. -aniel Revelation4, riah Smith, no date.

;. -)ible Readings for the <ome ir$le4, 191, no author A /his book has been, sin$e its

publi$ation in 191, one of the best and more $omplete book e2plaining all our do$trines.6

&. -+ )ibli$al efense efending our <istori$ )eliefs about the San$tuary in aniel and

<ebrews4, "an$e Merrell, Cublished by <arvestime )ooks 2;;3 A endorsed by 8. Shea:

FJance ?errell has done an ecellent Kob of boilin! down and s$nthesiLin! some of the latest

and best scholarl$ wor> on the Boo> of Daniel b$ e)enthda$ d)entists*M 8illiam Shea,

ssociate Director, GC <iblical 5esearch

ntil his re$ent retirement, r. Shea was Crofessor of <ebrew and 0ld /estament at the

Seminary at +ndrews niversity for 1* years, followed by 1& years as +sso$iate ire$tor of the

=eneral onferen$e )ibli$al Resear$h 3nstitute, where he $ondu$ted e2tensive resear$h in

defense of our Churchs historic beliefs.

*. "iews of Crophe$y, 8illiam >iller, )oston: Cublished )y >oses +. ow, 1( <anover

Street. 1841

5. FNotes on anielF, +lfred ranJ X Signs Cublishing ompany, 8arburton, "i$toria,

+ustralia X 19*

'. /he =reatest 0f the Crophets A + New ommentary on the )ook of aniel

=eorge >$ready Cri$e? Ca$ifi$ Cress Cublishing +sso$iation, >ountain "iew, alifornia?

opyright, 1955

. )ible <andbook, Stephen N. <askell, no date.

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