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sachin.gill07: hi  sunnyraghvendra: hey every1 joined 110.ashwin: Hi all :) shashank.shekhar.singh: hello folks praveen9787: Hi everyone k.manish7: hello viswanathan.janani: hey Sid: Hi guys agarwal.nikunj: Hi viswanathan.janani: good evening :) nitinveer: hi all 110.ashwin: MASS CHAT B-) amitinjsr: Hi all sunny.rmalik: hi All! I thought we'd be having voice chat :| viswanathan.janani@gmail.com has left  viswanathan.janani@gmail.com has joined viswanathan.janani: aimcat 1115 results out8:59 PM nitinveer: I thought the same.. sunnyraghvendra: are bhai log to.ashishbhat@gmail.com has left sachin.gill07: hello every1 sunnyraghvendra: just tell pg meets kab hongi gixxer7p: ya k.manish7: Now I can feel the heat..itne saare dost and woh bhi competitor gixxer7p: me also waiting for that  chat li8 lete hein9:00 PM sunnyraghvendra: how about nxt weekend  at 7? to.ashishbhat@gmail.com has joined nitinveer: NO gixxer7p: dude this weekend k.manish7: "Kinjal Kaha ho...Please start the proceeding" nitinveer: why shifting it next week.. me: Ok Welcome all the to the chat session sunnyraghvendra: arre means  this wekend only me: from BLR Study Group sunnyraghvendra: sorry to.ashishbhat: hi all9:01 PM k.manish7: Let Kinjal brief us guys..!! me: Why mocks are Killing us and to know the wats to Kill the mocks  how*  Ok to.ashishbhat: yup k.manish7: Ya that's what we want to know me: Ok we have r11gupta , Poluka

9:02 PM I am still waiting for Shashank to.ashishbhat: ok sunnyraghvendra: eeeehhhhooooooo arindam9777: Hi everyone to.ashishbhat: hi me: and The_hate will not be able to join today  he will take Questions on the PG meet  Rohit you there? fake.email.register: he is "away"9:03 PM k.manish7: Heard about the_hate? Want to meet him someday sunnyraghvendra: how to select di caselets to solve  ? shashank.shekhar.singh: i m in folks me: just a sec to.ashishbhat: hi shashank vindhyabnreddy@gmail.com has joined9:04 PM nitinveer: Hi Shashank.. k.manish7: Don’t your first and second premises contradict one another?--->Practice will let you knw  oops typo me: Ok before we can stat with the Questions9:05 PM shriramjaikumar@gmail.com has joined me: Seba and Poluka is there? praveen9787: Ya Kinjal...I am here me: Rohit you there?  r11gupta9:06 PM Rohit: hi all sunnyraghvendra: hi grewal.ashwani: hi shriramjaikumar@gmail.com has left 110.ashwin: Hi sachin.gill07: hi k.manish7: here he comes nitinveer: hi me: Ok we have r11gupta praveen9787: hi rohit Rohit: :) gixxer7p: hi all vindhyabnreddy: Hello me: just a brief about him  r11gupta was a part of DT 09  CAT - 99.85  IIM A,C,L calls9:07 PM Converted all  XLRI BM Convert to.ashishbhat: grt

 viswanathan.janani: awesome 110.ashwin: cool B-) viswanathan.janani: :) me: And he is considered God in VA Rohit: :) shashank.shekhar.singh: gr8 gixxer7p: in short phoda to.ashishbhat: wow nitinveer: Great.. vindhyabnreddy: wow...:) sunnyraghvendra: .... he used to say ki hum yaha mock nikalne nahi aaye... humein cat nikalna hai... and he did it....  hats off to u dude agarwal.nikunj: in addition to that... He scored a 99.xx in almost all the aimcats last year9:08 PM sachin.gill07: its good to hear that Rohit: thanks people grewal.ashwani: Guys , read rohit's "all i want to say about cat " post. Its very inspiring me: ok  Just a sec to.ashishbhat: ok me: guys  we will start  in a 2 mins 110.ashwin: Rohit , could you please share your strategies and preparation methods ? Rohit: lets get to work, I am a little short on time  :) viswanathan.janani: yes nitinveer: Yes for sure..9:09 PM viswanathan.janani: those who are late can read the transcripts.. cant take too much of r11's time sunnyraghvendra: how to gain from mocks  ? viswanathan.janani: :) Rohit: see vinay.keshava@gmail.com has joined Rohit: first off  you all need to know there is no one formula for getting through CAT navneeth.p@gmail.com has joined Rohit: the simple reason is, everyone has different strengths and weaknesses9:10 PM I may be good at VA and someone else may find it a nightmare  same for the other sections 110.ashwin: yeh Rohit: so  you all need to find out what works for you9:11 PM also, whatever i tell you will obviously from my perspective, meaning that it worked for me

 dwivedibrij@gmail.com has joined 110.ashwin: true ! Rohit: you need to look at in your own context and modify accordingly  to begin with strategies dipesh.prabhakar@gmail.com has joined9:12 PM Rohit: first and foremost, you need to fix an order of sections  that you will generally follow in attempting any MBA entrance  the reason for that is as follows k.rajnihar549@gmail.com has joined  sachin.gill07@gmail.com has left Rohit: suppose you start with your weakest section first, thinking that you will put the most time into it  the problem is9:13 PM when you start off the paper, you are not in top gear sachin.gill07@gmail.com has joined Rohit: and when you are ending the paper, you are somewhat tired from all the graphs and RC passages  so if you put your weakest section either first or last, you invest more time in it that it probably deserves9:14 PM also, since the section is weakest, the probability of getting questions correct  is lesser as compared to your strong section  so you lose out not only on time but also on the expected return value to.ashishbhat: true Rohit: so I used to keep my weakest section in the middle navneeth.p@gmail.com has left k.rajnihar549: Okay I have a problem. I just cant seem to gather the interest do touch RC's in the mocks. I just leav ethem and only do the EU part and only when there are very few EU q's I touch them. What shud I do?9:15 PM Rohit: lemme finish first and i'll take questions later  no offence :) k.rajnihar549: My bad. joined in the middle. dint know what was going on grewal.ashwani: plz continue Rohit: its ok :)  as i was saying9:16 PM another reason for keeping the weakest section in the middle was that i could extract extra time from both the strong and medium sections sebabratabanerjee@gmail.com has joined  karthik.vys@gmail.com has joined Rohit: giving me more leverage in case the weak section is difficult in any particular paper k.rajnihar549: interesting strategy this. I'll try itout. Rohit: I used to put my strongest section first9:17 PM the reasons are the same as those for not keeping the weakest first  the return on time invested is high, in terms of less time taken and higher probability of getting questions correct karthik.vys: very good one Rohit9:18 PM vinay.keshava: continue

 Rohit: not to mention the confidence that flows in from having conquered a section  makes it easier to tackle the weak section right after the strongest one  since the high confidence will ease out some of the fears  this is the first half of the strategy nikutelusu@gmail.com has joined  sunnyraghvendra@gmail.com has left9:19 PM Rohit: the second half is like this : just like you should know what sections you are good at, you should also know what type of questions you are good at gixxer7p@gmail.com has left Rohit: CAT is not meant to be done in the order the questions are given  its not a Class 12 board paper  its a managerial test and tests you ability to choose  to give an example9:20 PM I used to look for grammar questions as soon as I got into the VA section  since i was good at them  I did not touch FIJ if possible  would do them only if necessary, that too at the last  always, always, first finish off what you know  that is enough to get you across cutoffs, usually9:21 PM after that comes the maximising of your score  and that can be done with just one section  be God in any one section  nobody's asking you to be God in all 3  just cross the cutoffs in the others  bottom line : find out the questions you are good at and do them first9:22 PM obviously, you need to be very good at the things you are good at, since you need to compensate for being weak in other areas  as far as mocks go, i always believed what you did not do is far far more important than what you did  because what you know, you will always know and do9:23 PM but if you do not rectify what you don't know, it will sting you again and again, mock after mock  there can be 2 reasons you leave a question in a mock  i'll pause here a minute9:24 PM kinjal you there ?  ? karthik.vys: tell me,Rohit  i am karthik k.rajnihar549: yea we all are karthik.vys: Kinjal has some problem i think sunnyraghvendra@gmail.com has joined agarwal.nikunj: I think he is dropped out.. His status message says so9:25 PM sunnyraghvendra: hi Rohit: hi sunnyraghvendra: gt disconnected dipesh.prabhakar: Hi

 sunnyraghvendra: wt did i missd dwivedibrij@gmail.com has left sunnyraghvendra: hey rohit k.rajnihar549: i ee Oct-Nov lo placement andukey adugutunna sunnyraghvendra: just be there for sm time dude viswanathan.janani: rohit, do you want to continue?  we are all listening Rohit: just a min  kinjal is rejoining k.rajnihar549: *folks nitinveer: yes we all want more inputs..9:26 PM k.manish7: ya..please continue and take your time nikutelusu@gmail.com has left  nikutelusu@gmail.com has joined nitinveer: We are here all night :) dipesh.prabhakar: Hi Rohit... we also wanted to know your strategy depending upon the difficulty level of paper me: Just a sec 110.ashwin: will try some AIMCAT's in yer style... dipesh.prabhakar: :) karthik.vys: any tips for RC,Rohit?9:27 PM k.rajnihar549@gmail.com has left k.manish7: Let Rohit continue in his own way Rohit: ok  continuing  sorry about the pause k.manish7: Np :) nikutelusu@gmail.com has left Rohit: as i was saying9:28 PM there will generally be 2 reasons you leave a question in a mock dwivedibrij@gmail.com has joined Rohit: 1) you lack the knowledge  2) you lack the speed  now, the methods to rectify these are obvious9:29 PM if you lack the knowledge, get familiar with the concept so that you do not miss it the next time  if you are slow, practice ! nikutelusu@gmail.com has joined Rohit: for every mock you take, go back and figure out why you left a question9:30 PM then make sure you never miss out on that type of question again  the test series people will generally cover all concepts reasonably well in a test season k.rajnihar549@gmail.com has joined Rohit: so if you have the mocks for an entire season, you should be pretty good to go  Questions ? me: One by one  Guys

 110.ashwin: Thanks a ton :)9:31 PM Rohit: :) amitinjsr: thanks rohit!! shashank.shekhar.singh: thanks rohit :) sunnyraghvendra: u already told enuf  thanks rohit Rohit: my pleasure guys sebabratabanerjee: Great points Rohit, the ones which we know but always neglect Sid: Hey since VA is ur domain can just give us tips on that.. and thanks a ton for ur imputs.. viswanathan.janani: thanks :) sebabratabanerjee: we shud keep in mind to atleast be a part of R11 grewal.ashwani@gmail.com has left9:32 PM vindhyabnreddy: Thanks a ton Rohit :) to.ashishbhat: hey rohit Rohit: yeah k.manish7: EU and VA to.ashishbhat: as u said ur strengths,,,,sometimes i find rc to be my strength..sometimes va..how to go abt that? k.rajnihar549: tokka em leva :P agarwal.nikunj: thanks for the gyaan rohit :) k.rajnihar549: again wrong window :\ dipesh.prabhakar: Hi Rohit... How do we decide upon accuracy Vs attempts depending upon the difficulty level of paper sachin.gill07@gmail.com has left sunny.rmalik: Thanks Rohit for the invaluable inputs :) dipesh.prabhakar: I mean the difficulty is quite subjective to each one of us9:33 PM Rohit: @manish : see, i think your strength is VA as a whole dipesh.prabhakar: what might be difficult for me may not ne difficult for you Rohit: yeah obviously nitinveer: Thanks for inputs Rohit.. Never knew importance of analyisng the Mocks.. Rohit: @dipesh : this will come with practice  for example viswanathan.janani@gmail.com has left to.ashishbhat: hey rohit...my qury pls Rohit: XAT 2010 has a very tough DI  i took one look at it and realised it was not to be touched9:34 PM k.rajnihar549: Okay I have a Q. VA is most certsainly my weakest area. Should I go all out gung ho and attempt all the q's in VA or shud I stick to what I know arindam9777: rohit,i always miss out some questions in VA just bcos i dont know the meaning of some of the word used . So any suggestion for this ? Rohit: did only the QA questions, got most of them right and got a BM call at 99.01 overall percentile dipesh.prabhakar@gmail.com has left to.ashishbhat: rohit ... Rohit: yeah ashish

  see to.ashishbhat: as u said ur strengths,,,,sometimes i find rc to be my strength..sometimes va..how to go abt that? viswanathan.janani@gmail.com has joined Rohit: it can't be both ways yaar to.ashishbhat: sometimes i do bad in both9:35 PM Rohit: if you are equally good at both  you can try starting your english section with any of them  won't matter much sachin.gill07@gmail.com has joined  nikutelusu@gmail.com has left Rohit: just keep in mind the thing about returns on time invested in terms of the probability of being right grewal.ashwani@gmail.com has joined Rohit: @Rajnihar k.rajnihar549: yea to.ashishbhat: did u do RC's wid 100% qaccuracy?9:36 PM dipesh.prabhakar@gmail.com has joined Rohit: its not expected to go all out with VA if you are not too good at it  i mean, dont make it a prestige issue to attempt all questions  because VA is very very tricky  it can destroy your paper any day k.rajnihar549: I still cant figure out my VA. I got 97.xx in XAT and 77.xx in CAT and my scors in the mocks vary similarly Rohit: it destroyed mine in CAT 2008 to.ashishbhat: wat abt RC ROHIT9:37 PM did u get 100 Rohit: nope to.ashishbhat: accuracy? Rohit: I never got 100% accuracy to.ashishbhat: generally? Rohit: the highest I have reached in VA is AIR 2  in some time mock  dont remember which one to.ashishbhat: ok Rohit: so obviously someone was better than me in VA :)9:38 PM get about 80 - 90% right in RC dipesh.prabhakar: Just one :) Rohit: that is good enough usually to.ashishbhat: hmm karthik.vys: At times para jumbles ,i miss out my connection of logic and theirs differes ..have you faced such,if so what to do to overcome it? k.rajnihar549: Okay so how do I make sure I scrape thru VA to get to the cutoff. As I said I always maintain a sine wave with my VA scores :\ to.ashishbhat: how was ur vocab?

 snlraju: hi rohit, i attend upto 35 ques in a mock, my accuracy lingers from 50-60%. wat to do to improve accuracy???? Rohit: see  all your queries are basically just one query  as in how to improve English9:39 PM the one thing I will say is, read !  read like there is no tomorrow  grammar is a little bit like chess I believe santraghu@gmail.com has joined to.ashishbhat: how was ur vocab rohit? Rohit: if you have come across a particular grammar structure before, you will automatically recognise it nikutelusu@gmail.com has joined9:40 PM Rohit: i could predict the correct answer sometimes without looking at the options in grammar karanthakral@gmail.com has left  errishiarora@gmail.com has joined k.rajnihar549: The problem isnt with my grammar. My spoken English is pretty decent. It's my choice making ability in VA that hurts me santraghu: whoa is this r11gupta? Rohit: good resources to read would be Hindu Editorial and NY Times editorial agarwal.nikunj@gmail.com has left Rohit: @Santosh : yes to.ashishbhat: how was ur vocab rohit? Rohit: my vocab is quite good santraghu: Great! Big fan sir! gixxer7p@gmail.com has joined9:41 PM jon.anshul@gmail.com has joined Rohit: due to extensive reading habit since childhoob dipesh.prabhakar: the economist recommended too from my side Rohit: childhood arindam9777: Rohit,which wordlist should i follow ? IMS/ arun sharma /... jon.anshul: hi everybody k.manish7: Rohit, tell me one thing..! How you used to prepare for VA?  Rohit :) Rohit: see, research suggests you need to come across a word 6 times before it is committed to memory viswanathan.janani@gmail.com has left Rohit: i hardly think anyone of us has the time to do a wordlist that many times9:42 PM k.manish7: ya nitinveer: ya.. jon.anshul: rght santraghu: My problem is this-I'm clearing VA usually but not clearing QA or DI. One of them always is a problem for me. Rohit: a better usage of your time would be to read extensively santraghu: Please suggest something

 k.rajnihar549: yea pick up as many words as you can from daily usgae and be an extensive reader. No point in mugging Word Lists k.manish7: Rohit one Qs from my side:  Rohit snlraju: Rohit, how to improve on accuracy esp in DI??? how did u prep for DI???? Rohit: as you come across more grammar structures and vocab, you will be more familiar with them9:43 PM @manish : I did not explicitly prepare for VA, i was quite good at it, but i read the 2 editorials i mention daily, without fail k.manish7: :)  thanks Rohit: @Santosh : see where your problem lies  if you are missing out on 2 sections, maybe you are giving too much time to VA9:44 PM santraghu: No Rohit: or maybe you lack depth of knowledge in QA or DI santraghu: i finish VA in 35 mins  For QA and DI i give 50 mins each Rohit: if its not about speed , its about knowledge  obviously  correct that9:45 PM to.ashishbhat: rohit Rohit: yeah amitinjsr: @rohit,,,,Any quick tips that can be worked in few days for VA score improvement. to.ashishbhat: now with 3 months in hand  how shd we go abt the prep Rohit: @amit : VA is a long term investment yaar  its not maths, unfortunately  you have to slog for it  @ashish : i can't answer that in general9:46 PM because all of you will be at different stations in the journey  the bottom line is, see what is going wrong  if you are crossing the cutoffs, its well n good  if you are not, something is amiss  either strategy or time allocation or knowledge depth or question selection or something else9:47 PM viswanathan.janani@gmail.com has joined Rohit: try to see yourself in a mock as an objective observer  see what u do wrong9:48 PM vinay.keshava: DI how to select the caselet - is based on only practice or any strategy to.ashishbhat: u devoted how much tym daily? Rohit: DI is the same as i said to.ashishbhat: rohit Rohit: i was good at the DI part but not so good at the LR part to.ashishbhat: u devoted how much tym daily? Rohit: so i made my DI part pretty strong and went with it9:49 PM @ashish : its not the hours buddy

 grewal.ashwani: hey rohit, 1 question from my side. Every time i see a mock, especially a QA section, i feel like doing every question and end up doing just 12-13 in 45 minutes. I know i am lacking judgement, but i want to make QA as my strongest section. I feel i am equally comfortable with most of areas in QA but unable to do questions quickly especially in exams. Any suggestions? sachin.gill07@gmail.com has left Rohit: if the train engine takes 5 times as much time to get me from Delhi to bangalore, do i call it hardworking ? No, I call it slow vinay.keshava: out of 3 or 4 , which to solve first is based on only familiarity or glance all at once then start or how is it9:50 PM fake.email.register: Rohit, How to improve on quant accuracy as well as speed... Rohit: @ashwani : maybe you are not too familiar with the various types of questions that come in gixxer7p: @s.j. practice Rohit: try to get more familiar shashank.shekhar.singh@gmail.com has left to.ashishbhat: rohit...time di is generally Logical...how did u fair @ aimcats..was it good? Rohit: @vinay : didnt get your question9:51 PM vindhyabnreddy@gmail.com has left grewal.ashwani: yup, will try that Rohit: @ashish : I did reasonably ok. the key was optimum question selection  mock links in my PG signature  in case you want more details to.ashishbhat: ok9:52 PM wat abt Quant....were u comfortable ? Rohit: yup santraghu: how does one block out the nervousness before the exam? I was very restless while attempting VA in the last mock.. Rohit: was pretty much ok shashank.shekhar.singh@gmail.com has joined  sachin.gill07@gmail.com has joined vinay.keshava: there are 3 o4 4 set of questions, we should glance all 4 and start with which i have solved before or what is the approach? me: One Question From navaneeth : whats the strategies for DI? jon.anshul: @rohit: how to pratice vareity of DI & LR sets, can u tell some good source9:53 PM Rohit: @santosh : that is why i suggest doing your strong section first  gives you a high santraghu: yeah, exactly Rohit: @Vinay : totally depends on what section you are talking about to.ashishbhat: what was ur order of attemoting santraghu: i attempt VA(my strength) first to.ashishbhat: the paper santraghu: But was very nervous last time Rohit: @Kinjal : same strategy as other sections : get really really good at some parts if you cannot be very good in all to.ashishbhat: rohit?

9:54 PM Rohit: VA - DI - QA arindam9777: did you use the approximation techniques like using 10 %, 5% etc, to find out fractions like 257/697 etc ? to.ashishbhat: ok santraghu: yes, i follow the same viswanathan.janani: okay.. one silly question.. Rohit: one more thing people vinay.keshava: Rohit DI & LR Rohit: this might sound too much but it helped me viswanathan.janani: what to do when you don't have any particular weak/strong section? k.manish7: Gud Qs Janani :) Rohit: i remembered the squares from 1 to 60 , cubes from 1 to 15 and 1/x from 1 to 129:55 PM sachin.gill07@gmail.com has left Rohit: it sometimes helps a lot praveen9787: @ All, Kinjal has some problems with his internet connection, so he will be out of the cha t for a while to.ashishbhat: yup Rohit: it did help me in cat viswanathan.janani: okay.. nikutelusu: how about tables ?? santraghu: ok.. Rohit: @arindam : sometimes i did approximate gixxer7p@gmail.com has left  errishiarora@gmail.com has left Rohit: @janani : no question is silly  trust me to.ashishbhat: wat abt XAT verbal vinay.keshava: Rohit- DI & LR9:56 PM Rohit: one by one people , please vinay.keshava@gmail.com has left to.ashishbhat: rohit viswanathan.janani: what to do when you don't have any particular weak/strong section? Rohit: @Janani : if you don't have a particularly weak section, congrats ! :) viswanathan.janani: if the performance across sections is inconsistent and varies from mock to mock what to do.. Rohit: you then have the freedom to choose which one to maximise in viswanathan.janani: well its not exactly good news.. it also means no strong area 110.ashwin: sort of a same ques i had , thx Janani :)9:57 PM gixxer7p@gmail.com has joined viswanathan.janani: :) k.manish7: Ya Rohit: it takes much more effort to come from -10 to 0 in CAT , then it does to go from 0 to +10, if you know what I mean :) errishiarora@gmail.com has joined Rohit: if you are not strong , you can become so with practivce viswanathan.janani: okay..

 Rohit: but its nice if you are not weak9:58 PM viswanathan.janani: so which section is the easiest to become strong? sachin.gill07@gmail.com has joined k.manish7: :) viswanathan.janani: or rather which comes faster with practice? Rohit: totally your call k.manish7: QA DI to.ashishbhat: rohit Rohit: obviously maths can be learnt faster than english viswanathan.janani: grammar and VA take longer to master.. Rohit: common sense :) to.ashishbhat: what abt XAT verbal Rohit: XAT verbal is just a notch higher than CAT verbal9:59 PM same strategy : read read read ! sachin.gill07: hi janani! viswanathan.janani: thanks rohit  :) 110.ashwin: Rohit , is IIM the only option , IF at all - i don't get into them , as a backup option - "are the top 50" B-schools good enough for a decent degree ? errishiarora@gmail.com has left viswanathan.janani: hi sachin  :) vinay.keshava@gmail.com has joined Rohit: @ashwin : Again, its an individual perspective10:00 PM amitinjsr: @ashwin.. dats off topic sir!! Rohit: i was hell bent on IIMs/XL-BM/FMS me: @Ashwin : we will take that offline Rohit: its upto you what level of college you find acceptable 110.ashwin: @amit , kinjal - fine , sorry ! :) santraghu@gmail.com has left k.manish7: :) me: No problem :) dwivedibrij: @Rohit: DI + LR is pending :-)10:01 PM amitinjsr: all iz well ;-) Rohit: 1 minute people to.ashishbhat: ya pls proceed wid DI and QA Rohit: call to.ashishbhat: ok errishiarora@gmail.com has joined me: Hey we have poluka along with us, till Rohit joins back  we can still ask Poluka and Seba  who are part of UDT and soring consistantly10:02 PM dwivedibrij: ya ppl u can check wid Poluka .. gixxer7p@gmail.com has left dwivedibrij: he has improved DInLR very well.. errishiarora@gmail.com has left

 to.ashishbhat: poluka errishiarora@gmail.com has joined to.ashishbhat: pls give sme insights on id DI k.manish7: Ya Poluka where r u? me: Poluka , you there?  Seba?10:03 PM praveen9787: @ Kinjal, Brij....i am there to.ashishbhat: pls start with DI praveen9787: Please go on me: can you please take Questions sebabratabanerjee: Hi Kinjal errishiarora@gmail.com has left sebabratabanerjee: am there10:04 PM Shashank has joined sunnyraghvendra: @poluka jon.anshul@gmail.com has left me: Guys we have DT Captain here praveen9787: ya..shoot ur queries..will try me best me: Shashank Shashank has left to.ashishbhat: grt sebabratabanerjee: hi Shashank nitinveer: Any stratergies for DI? 110.ashwin: gr8 ! praveen9787: hi Shashank me: Shashank, Poluka and Seba  will take questions now grewal.ashwani@gmail.com has left me: One by one10:05 PM nitinveer: In DI, sometimes I get most of them right & sometimes everything wrong.. jon.anshul@gmail.com has joined  Shashank has joined sebabratabanerjee: Hi Nitin sunnyraghvendra: how to familirise oneself with myriad of caselets so that whilefacing one on d day does not sends shivers to spine like wt d hell .... how to start with this one.... i hope u got wt m trying ti ask Rohit: yo Doc ;) Shashank: sorry people am late :(10:06 PM sunnyraghvendra: hi shashank arindam9777: @rohit,doc,poluka , some good di calculatione source, article, link whatever plz. nitinveer: hi shashank.. sunnyraghvendra: 1st rank in mahcst  mahcet Shashank: hello everyone me: Ok just a sec Rohit: @arindam : Kinjal has some material i left with him

 errishiarora@gmail.com has joined Rohit: please contact and take me: Just a give a brif about Shashank arindam9777: k me: Shashank was a member of DT 09 dwivedibrij: wow Kaptan saab aa agye me: captain of DT 10 dwivedibrij: welcome :) me: XAT 99.96 sunnyraghvendra: shashank convertd jbims10:07 PM 1st rank in mahcet me: MAH CET Topper errishiarora: welcome 110.ashwin: B-) sunnyraghvendra: @poluka dwivedibrij: I think ppl dnt need intro of Kaptan saab .. praveen9787: whoa!! :) k.manish7: hoola santraghu@gmail.com has joined Shashank: yeah thats me :P to.ashishbhat: pls gibe sme insights shahank akashbhatia.ismcse@gmail.com has joined10:08 PM k.manish7: Let Shashank speak to.ashishbhat: pls gibe sme insights shahank Shashank: yeah  so what have you covered till now? grewal.ashwani@gmail.com has joined Shashank: i mean in the confy to.ashishbhat: VA Shashank: i can continue after that dwivedibrij: Rohit ne VA cover kiya .. to.ashishbhat: yup  pls dwivedibrij: we need DI + LR me: VA and Tips and strategies from Rohit. dwivedibrij: then QA 110.ashwin: Shashank - Rohit shared his strategy , experiences me: Quite insightful sunnyraghvendra: @poluka how to familirise oneself with myriad of caselets so that whilefacing one on d day does not sends shivers to spine like wt d hell .... how to start with this one.... i hope u got wt m trying ti ask10:09 PM 110.ashwin: he was more onVA  *on VA me: Puys one by one sunnyraghvendra: ok k.manish7: Let Shashank speak..!

 to.ashishbhat: shashank go on k.manish7: Pause everybody Shashank: yeah so i will start with some basics of lr di me: Yup shashank, can you share your experince  How do you appraoch your paper  ok Shashank: ok so first how i go about the paper10:10 PM Rohit: bhai ek min Shashank: no great strategy actually  haan sirjee Rohit: people since I have a hell load of work for tomorrow and Doc is THE expert for Quant DI  i will take your leave sunnyraghvendra: bye rohit me: Oh :) santraghu: bye rohit sunnyraghvendra: thanks me: Thanks Rohit Shashank: rohit \___-___O/  tata k.rajnihar549: bye Ro'it to.ashishbhat: thnks rohit santraghu: thanks a lot dwivedibrij: jayo baks diya ;) me: thanks a lotttttt 110.ashwin: Bye Rohit , thx a ton again :) praveen9787: Sure Rohit...Great Insight :) errishiarora: Thanks sunny.rmalik: Thanks a lot Rohit! errishiarora: :)10:11 PM sachin.gill07: thnks rohit  bye sebabratabanerjee: Thanks a zillion Rohit me: :) praveen9787: Good Night...If u can manage Sleep in WIMWI Rohit: Doc'll handle all queries, if you particularly need my input on something , drop a mail at r11gupta@gmail.com praveen9787: :) dwivedibrij@gmail.com has left Rohit: no sleep yaar  i can't sleep till 12 tomorrow night  no chance at all  :( Shashank: rohit sweet dreams ;) praveen9787: :)10:12 PM sunnyraghvendra: i dont want to go to iims:)

 Rohit: chalo to.ashishbhat: shashank Rohit: bbye to.ashishbhat: pls proceed Rohit: take care and good luck :) Shashank: chalo to shall we start dwivedibrij@gmail.com has joined sunnyraghvendra: yups  pls sebabratabanerjee: sure Shashank 110.ashwin: yes pls sachin.gill07: yup sunnyraghvendra: phr pata nahi wen u all wud be here karthik.vys@gmail.com has left  karthik.vys@gmail.com has joined Shashank: ok i will write my approach and a bit abt di lr Rohit has left k.manish7: Pause Everybody  :) Shashank: haan so how i approach the paper is actually very simple10:13 PM no strategy  no favourite section  no weak section sunnyraghvendra: :( Shashank: straightaway 1-60 110.ashwin: :O Shashank: the thing i keep in mind is i make sure a section is done in 45 mins or less10:14 PM k.rajnihar549@gmail.com has left Shashank: if i cannot do it in 45 i dont stick with it and come back to it later if i have time left  if i get an easy section, i try to rush through in like say 25-30 mins  so thats about how i go10:15 PM now coming to lr-di k.rajnihar549@gmail.com has joined Shashank: people might have told you that there are 7-8 types of questions and they are something like bar graphs, piecharts and so on  well, i dont think thats the right way to classify  any form can be represented as the other10:16 PM so rather than going for 10 bar graph based questions or piechart based questions, try getting the logic of the caselet  like say sports based di sets or tables10:17 PM or say something like binary logic-the things in truth and lie sets  classify it that way and then prepare for it. agarwal.nikunj@gmail.com has joined sunnyraghvendra: more gyaan needed pls Shashank: now sources to prepare for di-lr are very few sunnyraghvendra: how to classify

 dwivedibrij@gmail.com has left  grewal.ashwani@gmail.com has left10:18 PM grewal.ashwani@gmail.com has joined  dwivedibrij@gmail.com has joined 110.ashwin: what happened - pause for sometime now10:19 PM Shashank - u there dude ? Shashank: yeah so how we can classify is say venn diagrams, binary logic, sports based di caselets, info based di sets (tables, charts etc)10:20 PM karthik.vys@gmail.com has left Shashank: as you go on solving material, you will get to know more varieties of questions which you can keep adding to your arsenal  as far as the material for practicing di is concerned, there is only one source which is good enough or probably better than what we can expect in CAT karthik.vys@gmail.com has joined Shashank: that are your mock papers10:21 PM try getting previous yr mocks from your center and make a copy for yourself  they have it generally as even the faculty needs it for its reference10:22 PM make a note of any set you find interesting or has a different way of solving than you were doing  now, coming to mocks while solving di one thing is very important  this is not solving the set but leaving one. I call it the Art of Leaving :P10:23 PM nitinveer@gmail.com has left Shashank: say for instance, i guess most of you would have taken aimcat 1115  there was this venn diagram set which looked short and peaceful karthik.vys: ok Shashank: but once you started solving, it would have boomeranged10:24 PM so you were not advised to solve it at the start itself  whenever i see a set, i try to collect the data given  put it in a easier format say a table or something  and then decide whether or not it will be worth the time10:25 PM k.manish7: How? Shashank: well that comes by a bit of experience  see karthik.vys: :) Shashank: what happens is k.manish7: :) Shashank: there are 2 possibilities  you either think you can easily crack it10:26 PM or you think it is desirable to solve it at a later stage  if you plan to do it later, you should make sure you get time to solve it later  that is where the 45 min thing comes into play10:27 PM you should under any circumstances leave a section after 45 mins  earlier you leave the better for you to concentrate on your weaker section  so go with a base distribution of 45-45-4510:28 PM and them improvise  so, coming back to 1115

  i left the venn diagram set for 2 reasons  1) it seems pretty complex  2) it was only the second set in the section meinpeace@gmail.com has joined10:29 PM Shashank: as there were 10-12 more questions to go, it was very important that i atleast try those sets before i leave the section  so, i left the set errishiarora@gmail.com has left Shashank: the other sets were pretty doable compared to this one so you could easily have attempted like 10-12 questions correctly10:30 PM 30-36 marks in this section is like a huge thing neine112arora@gmail.com has joined to.ashishbhat: u got? Shashank: i got 43 in di  15c2w errishiarora@gmail.com has joined10:31 PM Shashank: and 132 overall nikutelusu: omg to.ashishbhat: air 1? Shashank: yup to.ashishbhat: grt 110.ashwin: B-) Shashank: ok so, coming back10:32 PM di is a tricky section  you crack a set you get 3-4 right  if you dont, you get frustrated  the best thing to do is put a cap on the time taken to crack a set  say 5 mins meinpeace@gmail.com has left10:33 PM Shashank: if you cannot make head or tail of a set in 5 mins better to leave it for later me: Shashank, Sorry for interuuption, I have to close my browser. It migh t affect the chat for 5 secs Shashank: 2-3 mins it takes to organize the data  ok10:34 PM karthik.vys: You've been invited to this chat room! Shashank: another 2-3 mins you can work on it and then carry on if you think you can answer some of the questions or leave it at that  just make sure you have seen each and every set in the 45 mins10:35 PM to.ashishbhat: ok Shashank: most of the time it happens that you get busy with a set and the easiest set is at the last  those who score high will tell you that they have gone through the entire paper k.rajnihar549@gmail.com has left to.ashishbhat: ok Shashank: also, remember that accuracy is very important in di10:36 PM people go for guesswork if they havent done more than say 6-7 questions

 to.ashishbhat: ok Shashank: but doing 6-7 questions correctly itself is a big thing and good enough to clear the cutoffs if the paper is that difficult sunnyraghvendra: yups  u r ryt  and it is bad when flukes get correct10:37 PM Shashank: hahaha  yeah very bad k.manish7: :) Shashank: happens with me in va  ;) sunnyraghvendra: :) nikutelusu: that never happend with me k.manish7: haha' Shashank: so, thats how you basically go abt di-lr in prep and in the mock10:38 PM sebabratabanerjee: Shashank Shashank: well, i go about sunnyraghvendra: @shashank sebabratabanerjee: one ques Shashank: yup seba meinpeace@gmail.com has joined sebabratabanerjee: Suppose I have 10 minutes left after attending all ques  and wanna go for more DI  But all are big caselets  in my exposure Shashank: ok sebabratabanerjee: what do I do10:39 PM Shashank: if you feel you have underperformed in the section  you can go for the set which you were more confident earlier to.ashishbhat: shashank Shashank: at the end, i wont advice going for proper caselets or even rcs for that matter errishiarora:  Shashank: singlets will be better to.ashishbhat: shashank10:40 PM Shashank: seba is that fine? sebabratabanerjee: lya Shashank Shashank: ok sebabratabanerjee: I always loose 10 minutes in these things to.ashishbhat: shashnak karthik.vys: which sets to attempt like--table/LR like seating arrangement/pie charts/bars? sebabratabanerjee: either go for RC or DI to.ashishbhat: generally aimcats LR Is tough..how do u manage to attemot 15 or 16 q's wid accuracy sebabratabanerjee: That was rally helpfull10:41 PM Shashank: karthik: depends on how comfortable you are with the sets and also the level of difficulty

  even if you loved venn diagrams it would have been foolish if you had attempted that set in 15 to.ashishbhat: how would u rate the diff level ?10:42 PM ok Shashank: ashish, if i am not able to solve chances are less that many will be able to solve it  it comes after solving few mocks amitinjsr: 1 ques shashank.. Shashank: and you have to back yourself everytime to.ashishbhat: as in ?10:43 PM Shashank: as in you have to believe there are just a few things you cannot do  if you are finding it tough, 85% of the junta will to.ashishbhat: ok  shashanl  sometimes i dnt get the head or tail of a DI caseletwhat to do i such a case.10:44 PM Shashank: chuck it amitinjsr: once u find out dat the logic behind ur solution is completely wrong(usually happens with LR) to.ashishbhat: ok Shashank: move on to the next set to.ashishbhat: what shd be the general approach towards a caselet? amitinjsr: hw shd one go ahead with damage control Shashank: amit: if you have almost cracked, it cannot be all wrong  there is some facet you have overlooked somewhere amitinjsr: true!!10:45 PM Shashank: the fact that you were able to connect the data is a good enough reason to continue with it jandial.adi@gmail.com has joined Shashank: but keep yourself open shashank.shekhar.singh@gmail.com has left Shashank: i mean there was a caselet last year jandial.adi: sorry am late...but is it still on ?? Shashank: a family tree one me: Yup  Go on Shashank Shashank: general notion is to make a family of 2-4-210:46 PM but there was a twist in the set  it was there in some aimcat at the start i think  1121 i think  we had to make a 2-3-3 family  so, i made the 2-4-2 one  and answered 2-3 qs10:47 PM but then, at the last question, my answer was not there in the options  i had to redo the set again  so, whatever we think at first might not be correct always10:48 PM be a bit flexible in other words, make it a habit to accept your mistake  people have a thought that they are doing a set correctly but the data isnt matching

  so they are quick to say that the question was wrong  most of the time it isnt the case  you have probably overlooked something10:49 PM karthik.vys: or even attempt the nearer answer though the q is about absolute ans  bcs i do like that and got lot errors :( Shashank: hehe  never guess me: :) Shashank: it should be perfect and not near perfect amitinjsr: nd u promote the same ;-) to.ashishbhat: what shd be the general approach towards a caselet?10:50 PM Shashank: ashish: as i said note down the data in a better format  at one place  and then decide to.ashishbhat: ok..10:51 PM dwivedibrij: correctly I guess incorrect option :( sachin.gill07: it always happen with me when i guess  no liuck with it k.manish7: so we shldnt guess jandial.adi@gmail.com has left k.manish7: :) Shashank: well this isnt luck na10:52 PM if people start getting lucky no one would attend this confy  :P me: :) to.ashishbhat: :-)  shashank dwivedibrij: i did a lot of calc mistake :( amitinjsr: calculated guess is always suggested..provided u do teh calculation properly!!10:53 PM to.ashishbhat: dnt u feel that last yr AIMCAT had very tough DI Shashank: brij: work hard on it. Get to love numbers. there is no option to that. maybe you can do things a bit more carefully karthik.vys: @shashank did you attempt the arrangement set in 1115? do you attempt such arrangement qs first or calculation intensive first(as in 1115 group wala school set)10:54 PM Shashank: which arrangement one  sorry its all messed up. i mean all the mocks  :P arindam9777@gmail.com has left karthik.vys: the seating arranagement of 10 members10:55 PM Shashank: ok  these type of questions have to be done from the options karthik.vys: you mean arrangement qs from options,,yes good startegy Shashank: there must be some criterion which is being violated10:56 PM arindam9777@gmail.com has joined Shashank: so you can easily eliminate options sebabratabanerjee: True

 karthik.vys: yes! Shashank: these are the ones which can be attempted and are not that difficult to.ashishbhat: wats difficult for u ;-P10:57 PM :-P Shashank: ashish: many things ;) to.ashishbhat: comoon yar me: Puys I guess we can continue the QA Session later..... to.ashishbhat: then we toh are zero me: I guess for summarising the DI karthik.vys: another thing i saw in Time mocks are when a calculation set comes (like in 1115-Group of games etc,,) do write and do calculations neatly..the following qs might use the same calculation ,so need not do it gain k.manish7: ya karthik.vys: just my observation10:58 PM Shashank: yup  anything you write down make sure it is atleast legible me: Yup, 110.ashwin: I've observed it too :) Shashank: r11 had terrible handwriting if i remember correctly  ;) karthik.vys: :) me: He used to understand and now us Shashank: but he advised to keep things clean me: as far as I remember10:59 PM :)  Anyway, karthik.vys: might be vision is great..at times ppl see regularity in irregularity Shashank: make larger than life tables if you like me: Shashank, may be we can wrap this confy at this point of time Shashank: sure kinjal to.ashishbhat: shashank ur personal id? k.manish7: ya Shashank: shashank3012@gmail.com or shashank.prabhu@pagalguy.com11:00 PM karthik.vys: kinjal..can we have VA and DI chats after each mock dwivedibrij: I m not gett'g ny text .. 110.ashwin: yeh  11pm karthik.vys: just say perfect rigid 1 hr  just startegies me: May be not PG id, He is reachable in gmail id sunnyraghvendra: shashank thanks dude karthik.vys: like say which one attempted and why and how  after solutions are out me: Thanks Shashank, Thanks a lot to.ashishbhat: yup sunny.rmalik: Thanks Shashank for the insights! Really helpful!

 me: Congrats for being AIR 1 to.ashishbhat: thanks 110.ashwin: Thx a ton shashank :) to.ashishbhat: shashank Shashank: @All: thank you for being patient me: 132 k.manish7: Congooo11:01 PM agarwal.nikunj: thanks a lot shashank errishiarora: Thanks a lot shashank. me: When you talk we have to listen :) Shashank: am sorry i got a bit stuck in office sunny.rmalik: Thanks Kinjal for putting this all together!! sunnyraghvendra: shahshank sebabratabanerjee: Shashank we were not patient....we were cuurious praveen9787: Thanks Shashank...:) amitinjsr: thnx shashank.. me: Awesome insghts sebabratabanerjee: thanks a lot sunnyraghvendra: just one last query karthik.vys: thanks shashank santraghu: thanks shashank me: shoot errishiarora: Kudos Kinjal karthik.vys: grt insights sunnyraghvendra: is work and prep manageble? Shashank: yup redemption  i can so anyone can 110.ashwin: Thx to Kinjal for organising ! :) Shashank: ;) sunnyraghvendra: ok  thanks sachin.gill07: thnx every1 karthik.vys: thanks Kinjal dipesh.prabhakar: Thnx every1 agarwal.nikunj: thanks kinjal to.ashishbhat: thnx everyone11:02 PM it was grt Shashank: read r11's aiwtsac post if you want to know how to manage work and prep sebabratabanerjee: Kinjal great job buddy.....you are the real manager sunnyraghvendra: hope to get air 1 and beat u  :) santraghu: yes thanks also to kinjal agarwal.nikunj: thanks evryone.. Looking forward to the BLR meet sunnyraghvendra: read  he is superman sachin.gill07@gmail.com has left

 Shashank: redemption: will keep me on my toes  :P sunny.rmalik: To do the least, I'll put up the chat transcript on PG BLR Study Group! sunnyraghvendra: :)11:03 PM me: Thats great karthik.vys: sure thats a grt thing me: Even I will do it  Thanks all errishiarora: Thanks me: Next meet is PG BLR Meet next Sunday  :) karthik.vys: need to read and prepare startegy and attempt nxt aimcat Shashank: thank you people sebabratabanerjee: Good night everyone snlraju@gmail.com has left me: Abhishek will take your queries there karthik.vys: BYE..gn to.ashishbhat@gmail.com has left me: Thanks sebabratabanerjee: Have a tight sleep after a tight session errishiarora: Good night sunny.rmalik: Good night people! Hope to meet you in person soon .... errishiarora: guys 110.ashwin: Kinjal , as always , a mail with details would be better :) santraghu@gmail.com has left me: Definitely11:04 PM k.manish7: Chat Histiry will help me: You will get a mail about the details