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DaveAsprey: Today'sepisodeisprettyinteresting.You'regoingtowanttolistenthroughtotheend,becausewetalkaboutvibration,whichissomethingthatcanbecompletelywoo-woo.Idefinitelyholdourguestonthisepisodeaccountableforwhatcanwemeasure,whatcanwenotmeasure.Butwetalkaboutawholebunchofdifferentthingsthatcanincreaseyourenergyinyourlife,howeveryoudecidetomeasureit.Wegetintosomesciencehere.Wegetintosomebestpractices.Ithinkyou'vegotalottolearnfromthis.ListenthroughtotheendandletmeknowwhatyouthinkbyleavingareviewoniTunes.

You'relisteningtoBulletproofRadiowithDaveAsprey.Today'scoolfactofthedayisthatscientistsinDenmarkrecentlypublishedsomenewresearchthatshowedthatcertainbacteriainyourgutplayamuchmoredecisiveroleinregulatingyourweightthanweeverunderstoodbefore,whichmeansthatsomethingassimpleasalittlepoopsamplemightbeabletotellyouwhatnutritionisgoingtoworkbestforyourbodyandyourgutbiomeandwhat'sgoingtochangethere.Thatcanbeprofoundlyinteresting,especiallywhenyouconsiderthatwhatyoueatchangeswhichbacteriaareinyourgut.

ThisnewresearchjustaddsevenmoreevidencetothefactthatI'mreallyexcitedaboutViome.You'veheardtheepisodewithNaveenJain,whocameonandtalkedaboutthisnewwaytoseewhat'sgoingoninsideyourgut,includingfungalthingsthataren'taccountedforeveninthisresearchoutofDenmark,aswellasvirusesandphagesandallsortsofstuff.Ifyou'reinterestedinlearningmoreaboutyourgut,whichdefinitelycaninfluenceweightlossandwhatyoushouldbeputtinginyourmouth,youcangotoViome,V-I-O-M-E,dotcom.YoucanusethecodeBulletproofandIdosomethingniceforyou.Ithinkitmightgiveyouacopyofoneofmybooks,orsomething.I'mnotevensure.But,anyway.

GotoViomeifyou'reinterestedingettingagoodpictureofwhat'sgoingoninyourgut.I'manadvisortothecompany.Ihaven'tbeenthisexcitedaboutanewdiagnosticoranewkindoftest,orjustmoreinformationaboutthis,thanIhavesincethedaysofquantifiedself.ThisnewresearchfromDenmarkjustaddsonemoredatapointtothat.

Beforewegetintotoday'sshow,somethingamazingishere.I'mjustgoingtoseeifIcanpickitupwithonehand.ItisthenewBulletproofCoffeeColdBrewReady-to-Drink.Infact,I'mholdingfourofthem.Ifyou'rewatchingonYouTube,youcangotoBulletproof.com/YouTubeifyouwanttogetalinktothechannelthathasthisshow.ButI'mholdingthesethingsup.Theseareshelf-stable,meaningyoucankeeptheminyourpurse,inyourbriefcase,inyourworkoutbag,inyourcar,wherever,andtheywillnotspoil.Theydon'thavetobe

refrigerated,butthey'regoodwhenthey'rechilled.We'vegotmocha.We'vegotoriginal.We'vegotvanilla.We'vegotonewithcollagen.

Ifyoudon'thavetimetomakeBulletproof(coffee)andyouwanttoreplaceasnackwithsomethingthat'sgoingtoleaveyoufullforhoursandfeelingamazing,thesetastereallygoodandthey'vegotonlygoodstuffinthem.That'sBulletproofColdBrewReady-to-Drink.YoucanpickthemuponBulletproof.com.We'llshipthemtoyou.Ibelievethere'sfreeshippingrightnow.Doublecheckonthesiteforthat,dependingonwhereyouareintheworld.You'llfindthattheseareanamazingcoldbrew.Theyofcoursehavethelab-testedbeans,BrainOctaneOil,andgrass-fedbutter.Bulletproof.comfortheBulletproofColdBrewReady-to-Drink.

Today'sguestontheshowisaformerpsychotherapist,auniversityprofessor,asuccessfulauthor,andcreatorofthepopularsiteGreenSmoothieGirl.com.She'sbasedinUtah,whereshe'sacompetitivetennisplayer.ShejustwroteanewbookthatIenjoyedthat'scalled“Vibe:UnlocktheEnergeticFrequenciesofLimitlessHealth,LoveandSuccess.”She'sontheshowtodaytotalkaboutthisnotionofvibration,sowecanseehowmuchscienceishere,howmuch“let's-all-sing-kumbaya”ishere,becausethereisrealvibrationthathappensinourbodies.It'salwaysachallengetotiethescientificvibrationstobehavioralvibrations,andwhat'sanemotionorasensationandwhat'snot.RobynOpenshawisheretodaytoshareherknowledge,andwhatshelearnedinherresearchoverthelastcoupleyearswritingthisbook.Robyn,welcometotheshow.

RobynOpenshaw: Thanks,Dave.It'ssonicetobehere.

DaveAsprey: It'salwaysalittlebitriskyforanauthortogooutthereandwriteaboutvibrationalfrequencies,becauseyou'llseepeopleouttheresaying,"Look,ifyouwearmyorganiccornpendantyourvibration'sgoingtochange."Itcangetreallymushyreallyquickly.Whatledyoufromthefieldofnutritionintothisideaofvibration?What'sthedefinitionofvibrationthewayyou'reusingitinyourbook?

RobynOpenshaw: Youknow,yearsagoItrippedonthisquotebyEinsteinthatsaid,"Everythinginlifeisvibration."Later,notmuchlater,IranintoaquotebyNikolaTeslawho...I'mabitofaTeslageek.Teslasaid,andIbelievethattheworldwasn'treadytohearthisatthetime,whenEinsteinandTeslawerediscoveringtheseamazingthings,andTeslasaid,"Ifyouwantthesecretsoftheuniverse,thinkintermsofenergy,frequency,andvibration."IputthatnexttotheEinsteinquote.ThenIstartedlookingatquantumphysics,andhowallofthequantumtheoryhasbledintobiology.Therearefieldsthathavecompletelychangedasaresultofdiscoveringthat,forinstance,weareelectron-exchanging,andrightnowyouhaveinfluenceoverotherpeople.It'sreallysoberingtothinkabout.

Thinkabouthowwe'reactuallyelectron-exchangingacrosstheplanet.Thishasbeensuperwell-documentedatthispoint.Wecangotwowoos.Wecango

woo-wooorwecanstayjustintheonewoo.Ascommittedtoscienceasyouare,Dave,I'lljuststayintheonewoo.Wecouldtalkabouthow...IactuallygotthatquotefromSimonandSchusterwhentheysignedontopublishmybook.Theysaid,"Now,keepittoonewoo,okay?"

DaveAsprey: That'stheriskwhenyougointoquantumphysics,isthatquantumbiologyisarealfieldthatisstudiedinuniversities,andmostpeoplearen'tevenawareofit.Butwhat'sgoingoninsideourmitochondria,thewaythey'remakingenergy,they'reusingquantumeffects.Wefinallyfiguredthatout.Wefiguredoutthatmitochondriaaresemi-conductiveandtheydohavethesefields.Butevenwhenyousaywe'reexchangingelectronswiththingsacrosstheplanet,youkindoftrickedmy...weexchangeenergy,butareweactuallyreallytradingelectronswithotherbeings?Howarewedoingthat?

RobynOpenshaw: Yeah.That'salotofwhatquantumphysicsactuallydiscoveredliterallydecadesago,isthat...andthisiswhywe'resointerconnected.It'soneofthereasonswhywe'vediscoveredhowinterconnectedweare,isthatthingsaren'tasmechanisticaswethought.Weknowwehavethisatomandwehaveelectronsandprotonsandanucleus,butwedidn'tknowasrecentlyas30yearsagohowbigthatradiusisofthoseelectrons.Wedidn'tunderstandhowweneedtodischargedirtyenergies.IlovedyourshowwithJoeMercolatalkingaboutEMF,whichisabigresearchsubjectandinterestofmine.Butwe'reexchangingenergiesinalotofwaysthatwedidn'tunderstandwhenwewereonlylookingatNewton'smodels.

Ifwetakealookathowquantumphysicsandbiologyhavenotyetcomeintothespaceofnutritionandwellness,andwhatmybook,“Vibe,”doesistakealookatwhatwecandothat'sreallypractical,andtakesalookatfoods'energiesthathasnothingtodowithcalories.Caloriesisaconstructthatwasdiscoveredin1848.It'sprettymuchoutliveditsusefulnessinsomanyways.

WhenItrippedonthesetwoconcepts,Iwantedtoknowwhatthesecretsoftheuniversewere.WhenIread,"Ifyouwantthesecretsoftheuniverse,thinkintermsofenergy,frequency,andvibration,"Ithought,"WhydoIknowsolittleaboutthis?"Weactuallyknowmoreaboutitthanwethink.Ifyoutakealookatmedicine,forinstance,alotofthediagnosticsinmedicineareusingvibrationalfrequency.TheEEG,theECG,youcanmeasurebrainwaves.Thesearefrequencies.I'mjustputtingsomerootsintheideathatenergies,orunderstandingthateverythingismadeupofenergies-andthatNewton'sphysicsweren'twrong,theywerejustlimited-actuallyhasapplicationsinmedicine.

Yourfriend,Dr.Oz,Iknowyouwerejustouttherefilmingwithhim,hassaidthatenergymedicineisthenextwaveinWesternmedicine,andit'svery,veryinfiltratedthere.WhatIgotfrustratedwith,becauseI'vewrittenallthesenutritionbooks,andI'malwayslookingforwhatelsedon'tIknow,isthatsomehowwe'restilllivinginNewton'sphysicswhenitcomestonutrition.Thereisavibrationalfrequencyassociatedwitheverysinglefood.I'mactuallydoing

someresearchwithaPhDscientistnamedBeverlyRubik.Icantalktoyouifyouwant,aboutsomeofthewaysthatwemeasurevibrationalfrequencyandwhattheseenergiesare,andwecouldtalkaboutsomeprinciplesofquantumphysicsthathaveeverythingtodowithwhetherwe'rehealthyandwhetherwe'rehappy,thatcanguideusinwhatfoodsthatweeat.They'llbealotmorehelpfulthancountingcaloriesandworryingaboutgramsofproteins,fats,andcarbs-whichisnotnecessarilyservingAmericansreallywell.

LetmetellyoureallyfastaboutHeartMathInstitute.Somethingsthattheydothatwillgiveyouasenseofhowrealthiswoostuffis,isthatyouandIcouldbesittinginaroom,Dave,withourbackstoeachother,sowe'renotlookingateachotherandwearenottalkingtoeachother.You'rehookeduptoanEEGandI'mhookeduptoanECG.Youareinstructedtothinkloving,kind,gratefulthoughts,andthatwillactuallyregisteronmyEEGwithoutyousayingawordorwithoutuslookingateachother.Thismakesintuitionandalotoftheseenergygiftsthatwetalkabout,thatsoundreallysquishy,likeyousaid,quitequantifiable.

There'salsosomegreatresearchbyHeartMath,whereyouareaskedtositandthinkaboutsomethingthatmakesyouangry,andtheychartyourbrainwaves.Andthentheyhaveyouthinkaboutthingsthatyou'regratefulfor,andtheychartyourbrainwaves.What'sreallyinterestingisthatthosefrequencies,astheyregisteronpaper,looklikewhattheyfeellike.Whichwouldyouratherexperience?Wouldyourathersitinangerorwouldyourathersitingratitudeandlove?

DaveAsprey: Itdepends.Angercouldbeasourceofenergy,right?

RobynOpenshaw: Yeah.Itcanfuelyoutoaction.Weneeditsometimes.

DaveAsprey: Iwasjustsayingthattotryandmakeyoumad,butitdidn'twork.I'vebeenanadvisortotheHeartMathInstitutesince2008.I'montheiradvisoryboard.IwasjustatBurningMan.Theyhadabiginstallationthere,wheretheywouldgeteightpeopletositinchairs.Whentheywereallinthissamestate,thatgratitudestateyouweretalkingabout,they'dgetareallystrongfeedbacktonethatwouldlightupanartpiece,whichwaskindofcool.There'sdefinitelyveryprovablesciencethatsayswecaninfluenceotherpeople.Idon't,toyouroriginalquestion,Idon'tthinkthatwe'reactuallytradingelectronswiththemunlesswe'retouchingthem,orkissingthem,orsomething.Mucusmembranesaregoodforelectronexchangebecausethey'rewet.

Butwearedefinitelyexchangingfieldinformationwithpeople.TheHeartMathpeopletalkaboutthisTaurus-shaped,donut-shapedfieldaroundtheheart,tippedateightdegreestotheleft.Unquestionably,especiallysomeonewho'strained,likeameditatororjustsomeonewho'sintouchwiththatstuff,canwalkintoaroomandchangetheroom.Butlikewise,someonewhohasapowerfulfieldaroundtheirheart,butonethat'schaoticbecausethey'refullof

oldtraumaorjustthey'repissedoff,theycanwalkintoaroomandchangetheenergyintheroomforthenegative.

That'soneofthereasonsthatIjustfundamentallybelievethatit'snotokaytositinaboardroom,oraPTAmeeting,oratdinnerwithyourfamily,andactonewayandfeelanotherway,becauseyourinternalstateisprojectedandreceivedbyotherthingsintheworldaroundyou.Whetherornotyou'resmilingandsayingtherightthings,peopleknowthatyou'repissedoff.Weknowitviscerallyanddeepdown.Thatisaformofelectromagnetic...that'sactuallymoremagneticvibration.There'sdefinitelyscience,likeyouweretalkingaboutinyourbook,aroundthat,aroundthatveryspecifically.

Talkalittlebitmoreaboutthequantumbiologyaspectofvibration.Howwouldyoumeasurevibration,say,ofafood?AreyoueatingafoodandseeingwhatitdoesonanEEG,orwhatitdoestoyourheartratevariability?Howdoyouknowthatafood'svibrating?BecausewhenIeatthemthey'reusuallynot,unlessit'sJell-O.

RobynOpenshaw: Thereareenergyfieldsinandaroundus.Likeyouwerereferringto,wehaveanenergyfield.Itgoesfurtherthanwethought.Butyou'retalkingaboutthisenergyfieldthat'sabouteightfeetaroundus,isourelectromagneticfield.

But,thereisaguy.Heisdeceasednow.I'mgoingtotakemeasuringelectromagneticsfurtherthanhedid.Buthisname'sBruceTainio.He'soutofUniversityofWashington.ThereasonItalkabouthisresearchisthathemeasuredalotofcommonthings,andbecausehemeasureditinhertz.Ourelectricalenergies...weareelectricalbeings.That'swhywhenwegooutinthesun,wefeelamazing.Weneedtocharge.Weneedtodischargeandground,andwefeelbetterwhenwedo,especiallyinthiscrazyworld,wherewe'rejustsurroundedbyalltheseelectronicslikeyoutalkedaboutwithDr.Mercola.

Buthemeasuredthingsinelectricalenergyofhertz.Werecognizethatasaunitofmeasure.Bearwithme.I'mgoingtoshareacoupleofstatisticsfromTainio'sresearch,wherehemeasuredinhertz,whichwe'refamiliarwithifwehadsomebasichighschoolscienceclasses.BeforeItellyouthis,ifyou'relisteningtothisinterviewandyourememberonething,maybeacoupleofthings,thiswouldbeoneoftheonestoremember.Thisisaprincipleofquantumphysicsthat'sreallysimpleandyoucanunderstand,andhereitis:thesubstanceofahigherfrequencycancauseasubstanceofalowerfrequencytoincrease.

Thisisreallypowerfulifwethinkaboutthefactthatyou,withyourshow...andyou'vehadsomethinglike40-something-milliondownloads,you'reimpactingpeople'senergiesonedirectionortheother.Whetheryou'rehelpingthemintohighvibrationsorlower,you'reabsolutelyimpactingtheirenergies,whetherit'selectronexchange,orifit'sotherformsofchangingpeople'sfrequencies.

Youknow,ifyoutakethatprincipleofquantumphysics,I'mgoingtosayitagain,asubstanceofahigherfrequencycancauseasubstanceofalowerfrequencytoincrease,andthenlet'stakealookatsome...

DaveAsprey: Isn'ttheoppositealsotrue?

RobynOpenshaw: Yes.Thecorollary.

DaveAsprey: Youtakehotwaterandputitwithcoldwater,thecoldwatergetswarmer,thehotwatergetscolder.It'ssortoflikemovingtotheaverage.

RobynOpenshaw: Yes.Theopposite,thecorollary,isabsolutelytruetoo…isasubstanceofalowerfrequencycancauseasubstanceofahigherfrequencytodecrease.I'mgoingtotalkaboutfoodforaminute.Butjustsowedon'tfailtobringthisup,youmentionedhowpeoplehaveincongruentenergies.What'scomingoutoftheirmouthisdifferentthanhowtheyactuallyfeelandthink.Weknowit.Weknowit.Especiallyifyou...Wehaveaquiztotellyouifyou'reanintuitive,anempath,ahighly-sensitiveperson,anenergyhealer.Weknowit.Wesenseit.Ourintuitiontellsus,thispersonisnotconnectingwithus.You'veprobablywalkedintoaroombefore.Iknowyoutobeanempath.Ihaveseenyousenseenergiesbefore.

We'veallbeen,ifwehavedevelopedourenergysensations,we'vewalkedintoaroom,andthere'stwopeopleintheroomandthey'renotlookingateachotherortalkingtoeachother,butweknowthatsomethingreallyintensejusthappenedbetweenthem.Youcanfeelit.Youcansenseit.It'salmostlikethere'sachargethere.Theymighthavejusthadabigfight.Theymighthavejusthadsex.Thosearetwoofthehighestenergyexchangeformsthatwehave.Butyoumayalso...

DaveAsprey: Isthatwhymakeupsexissogood?

RobynOpenshaw: Yes.It'spartofit.You'reresolvingenergies.You'rejoking,butI'mserious.I'mserious.It'sshiftingenergiestheotherdirection.We'veprobablyalsobeenataconferenceorsomenetworkingorworkevent,wherewemeetsomeoneandwecan'tgetawayfromthemfastenough.Wealmostrockbackonourheelswhenwemeetthem.It'snotthatthey'rebadpeople.It'sthatthere'sadissonantfrequencythere.Notesonthepianoaresoundfrequencies,andifyouplaytheblackandwhitenotethatarerightnexttoeachother,wedon'tlikethat.Nocomposerendsapieceondissonantfrequencies.

You'vehadtheoppositeexperience,too,whereyoumeetsomeoneataneventofsomekind,andmaybeyou'veonlyinteractedwiththemfor30seconds,ormaybeyouhaven'teveninteractedwiththem,andit'salmostlikethey'repullingyouacrosstheroom.Youareseekingthemout.Youspendaminutewiththem,andyou'refiguringoutwhenyoucanspendtimewiththemagain.Thoseareresonantfrequencies.Thosearejustsympaticofrequencies.Let'stalkabout

foodwithregardtothatveryspecificprinciple,whichisasubstanceofahigherfrequencycancauseasubstanceofalowerfrequencytoincrease

DaveAsprey: Itotallygetthatpoint,buthowdoyoumeasurefrequencyofafood?

RobynOpenshaw: BeforeItellyouafewmeasurementsinhertz,includingwhathealthypeopleare,IwantyoutoknowthatIhavejustcommissionedastudywithDr.BeverlyRubik,andwe'regoingtobemeasuringpeoplebeforeandaftertheyeatspecificfoods.MaybeweshouldgetsomeBulletproofCoffeeforthat,andalsothefoodsthemselves,withtwodifferentways.Oneiswithbiophotonicemissions.You'reactuallymeasuringtheweaklightthatemanatesfromlivingthings,actuallydeadthingstoo.Ifyoutakeatinypieceofchickenbreastandputitunderahigh-powermicroscope,youdon'tseenothing.Youdon'tseenomovement.Itisinmotionorotherwiseitwouldn'tdecomposeandbecomesomethingelse.

We'regoingtomeasurewithbiophotonicemissions.ThereasonIwanttodothat,ratherthanjustmeasureeverythinginhertz,whichthere'sactuallydataalreadyoutthereaboutthat...

DaveAsprey: Buthertz...

RobynOpenshaw: Isthatitmakesprettypicturesandyoucanseeit.

DaveAsprey: Buthertzisbasicallynumberoftimespersecondsomethinghappens.Youcanjumpupanddownthreetimesasecond,that'sthreehertz,whichisdifferentthanathree-hertzsoundwave.They'redifferentthings.It'sjustnumberoftimespersecond.Butwhatisitthat'shappeningatXnumberofhertztimespersecond?

RobynOpenshaw: Thisisjustonewaytolookatsomeofourenergies,becausewehaveelectricalenergies,wehavemagneticenergies,wehaveelectromagneticenergies.Wehaveenergiesthatnobodyhasactuallyquantifiedyet,butwecanmeasuretheeffectsofthoseenergies,butthere'snonamesforit.It'sanenergeticworld,andthere'ssomuchwedon'tknow.ButBeverlyRubikalsohasthisreallyexpensiveRussiantechnologythatusesgaschromatography.Iwanttodosomeresearchwiththatbecause,again,itbecomesreallyvisual.Thosearesomeofthewaysthatyoucanmeasureenergies,butIwanttogobacktohertz.

DaveAsprey: Let'stouchbrieflyonthebiophotonicstuff,becauseIthinkalotofpeoplelisteningprobablydon'tknowwhatabiophotonis.It'sridiculouslycoolthatifyougobacklike25,30yearsagothere'ssomethingcalledKirlianphotography,whichpeoplesaid,"Oh,that'sabunchofBS."Someoneputtheirhandoraleafonfilmforalongperiodoftimeandthenyouseeaghostimage.Theykindofsaid,"Ohthat'sallBS."Now,though,withnewCCDcameras,thekindofcamerasthatwe’reactuallyusingtorecordthis,forinstance,weactuallyhaveprovenbeyondtheshadowofadoubt,publishedinbiomedicaljournalsof

substantialrepute,thatyourbodyandleavesandallsortsofthingsactuallydoputoutphotons.

Thiswasabigshock.WeknowevenDNAactuallymakesphotons.Photonsareindividualparticlesoflight.Weknowthatyourmitochondriamakealotmoreofthis,andthebacteriainyourgutmakeabout5,000timesmoreofwhat'sessentiallybioluminescence,theselittleglowingthings.Butithappenssoinfrequentlyandatsuchsmalldosesthatyoudon'tseeit,unlessyouhaveveryadvancedtechnologyforit.There'sgoodsciencethatsaysyoucanmeasurethat.Infact,youcanevenpredictthingslikecancerbylookingatbiophotonemissions.Whowouldhaveeverthoughtthat?

Ifthatsoundslikethat'sthreelevelsofwoo,actuallyno.That'sestablishedmedicalscience,it'sjuststuffyouhaven'theardof.Youdon'tbelieveme,gotoPubMed.Thatstuffislegit.Butlet'sgetbacktohertz,becauseIstillwanttoknowwhatarewemeasuringwithhertz?

RobynOpenshaw: Tainiotookalotofdifferenthealthypeoplewhodidn'thaveanyknowndiseasestates,andhemeasuredthemallbetween62-68hertzofenergy.IfyouwriteanotherthingdownorrememberanotherthingthatItellyou,rememberthat,isthatahealthyhumanbeingrangedbetween62and68hertzofenergy.

DaveAsprey: Wasthatbrainwaves,orwasthatamagneticpulsation?Wasthatthesoundoftheirvoice?I'mstillstuckonwhatisourhertz?

RobynOpenshaw: Youcouldactuallymeasurespecificorgans,aswell.Hemeasuredgeniushumanbrainsinthemid-80hertz.I'msurethatyouwouldhavebrainenergyof85hertz.

DaveAsprey: Thatwouldbeahighgammastate.Gammaisusuallyaround60.I'mstill,IguessI'mwondering,isthatthesamehertzthatweusewithlettuce?

RobynOpenshaw: Tainio'sdeadnow.Ifhewerealive,Iwouldhavelotsofquestionsforhimabouthisresearch.There'ssolittle.There'sreallysolittledone,butit'sreallywell-documentedthatyoucanmeasureenergies.IwishwehadaFitBit.IwanttoeventuallyhaveaFitBit,sothatwecanallknowwhathappenstoourenergieswhenweeatthis,whenwethinkthis,whenwedon'tmetabolizeanegativeemotion,likefearoranger.

DaveAsprey: ThatIwouldagree.There'smanydifferentwaystomeasureenergy.ThepeoplewhodothisbestoriginallywereoutofAyurvedaandTibetanmedicineandChinesemedicine,orevensomeoftheshamanicpractices.Theyputtheirfingersonyourpulse,andsomeoftheqigongpractices.Thesearepeoplewhousetheirbodyandtheirdevelopednervoussystemtofeelwhat'sgoingonwithsomeoneelse.Nowwecanmeasurethosefieldswithavarietyofequipment.Youcandomagnetic.Youcandoelectrical.

Oneofthethingsthatstandsoutinmymemory,almost20yearsagoIwenttothiscoffeeshopinMountainView,California,calledRedRockCoffee,thatIusedtofrequentwhenIliveddownthere.Imetwiththeguywhoholdsthefirstpatenton80211B,whichisbasicallythefirstWi-Fiontheplanet.Thisguyalreadybackthenwasthegrizzledengineersortoflook.Hesaid,"Dave."Thiswasmaybe,Idon'tknow,five,10yearsafterthestuffwasreleased,sohehadbecomewealthy.Hesaid"Dave,I'vebeenusingthemillion-dollartestequipmentweusetomonitorWi-FinetworksandIturneditaroundonmybody."Heturnshislaptoparoundandhegoes,"Lookatallthisdatathat'scomingoffmybody.Ithinkwecanusethistodiagnosedisease.Lookatthese."ItwasactuallyamapofthechakrashehadmappedusinggearforWi-Fi.

Thisstuffisreal.There'san$800bookfromtheformerpresidentoftheKarolinskaInstituteinStockholm,whichisoneofthetop-10medicalschoolsoutthere,waspublishedin1983,thatbasicallysaideverythinginthebodyiselectrical,whichmeansthereforeyoucanmeasurethefrequencyofelectricityinavarietyofways.Basically,afterhepublishedthisbookwithextremedetail,itwasafull-onmedicaltextbook.Ihadahardtimewithpartsofit,becauseitjustwentsofarintocellularbiology,especiallywhenIreadthisstuffafewyearsago.Iwaslike,"Wow."

HeactuallylosthispositionattheKarolinskaInstituteforsayingthis.Hewrotethebookattheendofhiscareerbecauseheknewitwouldhappen.Hegoes,"Hey,I'vebeendoingthisforalongtime.Here'swhat'sgoingon."Whenhelosthispositionhewaslike,"Iwasgoingtoretireanyway."He'slike,"Hereyougo.Nowit'soutthere."Ijustwantpeoplelisteningtounderstand,there'salotgoingonthatwe'veknowninsmallpocketsforthousandsofyears,orfordecades,orespeciallyinthelast10years.Ithinkyou'vepulledalotofittogetherinyourbook,whichiskindofcool,butalsojustmakingitactionable,becauseknowingthisishappeningversusknowingwhattodowithit...

EveryonelisteningknowstodayIhavealotmoreenergythanIhadbefore.Howyoumeasurethatenergy,there'sdozensofways.ButtheRussiansandtheformerEastGermans,andnotjustGermanyingeneral,havebeentheleadersinalotoftheseweirdthingswhereyoubringittouslike,"What?"Youholdcoppercoils?Butthey'regettingasignal.Thereisasignalthere.Thequestionis,whatdowedowithit?

Iwanttoknow,inyourwork,aboutlookingatallthesedifferentfrequenciesandjustwaystomeasureandimproveenergyinthebody.Iwantmoreenergy.WhatdoIdo?

RobynOpenshaw: Therearesomanythings.Asaformertherapist,Ifeellike,justlikenutritionismissingstudiesofquantumtheory.Sohastherapy,sohaspsychotherapy,sohaspsychologyandpsychiatry.Howwearedealingwithournegativeemotionsispartofit.Wecouldtalkaboutthat.Wecouldtalkaboutfoods.Letmetellyou,62-68hertzwasahealthyhumanbeing.Tainiomeasuredpeoplewithamassivecandidaovergrowth,wherethere'sjustatonofyeastinthebodythat

isgettingalotoftheattentionoftheenergysystems,wouldbeinthelow50s.That'showmuchlowerahumanbeingcango.

DaveAsprey: Sorrytointerruptthere,Robyn.I'mguessingthatwhathewasdoingthereishewaslookingatthemicrocurrentacrosstheskin.Thisisprobablyagalvanicskinresponse?Likecoppercoilsortsofthings.Becausethatwouldmakesense,then.

RobynOpenshaw: Yeah.HecalledittheBT3scanningsystem.Itwasdefinitelylookingatthewholeorganism'senergies.That'sprobablysomekindofaggregateofallofourenergies,becausehecouldtellyou...hecouldalsoascertainthelevelofenergyofyourliver.Youcanimaginehow,ifyoubuildyourliveroutofhigher-vibrationmaterials,sincetheliverservesyouinover500differentways,whatwouldthatdoforhowyoulookandhowyoufeel?HemeasuredpeoplewithEpsteinBarrinthe50s,50shertz.Remember,ahealthyhumanis62-68.Hemeasuredend-stage,very-near-deathcancerpatientsat25hertz.Clearlythere'ssomekindofcorrelationtherebetweenspecifichigh-frequencystatesandhealth,andtheoppositeofthatisthesickerwegetthelowerweget.

Hediscoveredthatplantfoods,andI'mnothereto...YouknowIdon'treallyliketotalkaboutvegetarian,vegan,oranyofthe-ismsordiets.Buthediscoveredthatplantsraiseourvibration,becausetheyareofhighervibrationalfrequencies,manyofthem,thanahumanbeingis.Processedfoods,thiswon'tsurpriseyou,areextremelylow-frequencyfoods.

Thenthere'sthefactthatwecanmeasurewhathappenstoapersonwhen,likeIsaid,theyareinthehigh-vibrationemotions.Thatsoundslikewhatallthewoo-woopeopletalkabout.Itsoundslike...Peopletalkabouthighvibes,andwerolloureyes,andwethinkthatthey'rejustchannelingtheBeachBoys,ortheydon'tknowwhatthey'retalkingabout.It'sjustlikethiskindofcool,new-ageytalk.Butit'sactuallyreal.Wecan'tmeasureathoughtandwecan'tmeasureafeeling,becauseitonlyexistsifwe'refeelingit.Butwhengratitudeisthehighest-measuredfrequencyintermsofwhathappenstoyouwhenyouaresittingingratitude,thinkingaboutyourkids,thinkingaboutyourpartner,thinkingaboutpeopleyoulove,thinkingaboutthethingsinyourlifeyou'regratefulfor.Nothingtouchesit.

Ithinkthat'sreallyexciting,becausewecanchoosethat.Wecanchoosetospend10secondsingratitude.That'sanactionable.That'ssomethingthatwetakepeoplethroughinthebook.There'saquiztoidentifyallofthehigh-vibrationstates,howmuchareyouactuallyexperiencingthoseinyourdailylife.Herearethelowvibrationstates:feelingfrustratedandstuck,angry,anxiety,rage,anger,rage.Weknowthisinnately.Weknowthesearelow-vibrationemotions.

ThenItakepeoplethrougha90-secondprocesswhere,insteadofgettingstuckinanger,frustration,resentments,lackofforgiveness.You,at40yearsofZen,I'mgoingtobethereat40yearsofZeninDecember.Superexcitedaboutthat.

Thelackofforgivenessisaboutaslow-vibrationasyoucanget.That'sanenergythatpeopletendtogetstuck.

It'sreallyexcitingtothinkthatwecanalterourenergies.Thosearesomeofthethingsthatweworkon,isthoseemotionalenergies,andstayinginthehigheronesmoreoften.Weshouldbeoutsideincontactwitheartheveryday.We'reliterallydroppingmillionsofelectronsontotheearthandpickingupantioxidants.Theearthitselfhasbeenmeasuredat528hertz,thecoreoftheearth.Therearepeoplelike...Theseareprettywoo,prettytriple-woohere,butLeonardHorowitzmeasuresvibrationsofalotofdifferentthingstohelpusachievethem.That'sthepoint,issothatweachievemoreofthem.

DaveAsprey: Gotit.IjustlookedattheBT3patent,becausemaybeI'mstuckonthis,becauseI'macomputerscienceengineeringguy.Whatwe'retalkingaboutismeasuringthephaseandoscillationoftheelectromagneticfrequencyfromthebody,orfromabiologicalmaterial.Ifpeoplearesaying,"Well,there'snoscience.Whatever.It'swoo."No.There'sapatent.It'sanoldone,butyoucanlookituponGooglePatentSearch,whichIjustdid.

RobynOpenshaw: Ilovethatyoulookedthatup.

DaveAsprey: Hey.Iamnothingifnotageek.

RobynOpenshaw: It'scalledtheBT3monitoringsystem.

DaveAsprey: It'sactuallypatented.WhattheywerelookingtodoiswhatalotofthetechoutofGermanyandRussiadoes,whichis,"Okay,whatelectromagneticsarecomingoffthebody?"Whenwelookatelectromagneticfrequenciesthatcomeoff...verysubtleones,butonesthatarereal,thatcomeoffoffoods,especiallylivingfoodsorfreshfoods.Theycanbecookedandstillhaveanelectromagneticfrequency.Thenlookatwhattheinteractioninterplaybetweenthoseis.That'sprettycool.

Undoubtedly,andIknowthisbecauseweseeitonEEGsignalsallthetimeat40yearsofZen,thefoodyouputinyourbody,thesupplementsyouputinyourbody,canchangeyourbrainstates.Theycanchangetheelectromagneticfrequencies.Weusepulse2electromagneticfrequenciestochangethebrain,andcertainlythebraincanmakeitsownpulse2.Actually,moretheheartthanthebrain,buttheycanbothmakePEMFthatchangesyourbiology,aswellasthatofthingsaroundyou.

There'sdefinitelylegitimacytothiskindofstuff.Whensomeonegoesthroughandchangesandforgivessomething,orchangesthewaytheirbodyunconsciouslyresonatesinresponsetoanenvironmentalstimuli,ifyoubelievewhat'sinyourbookandyoubelievewhatwe'retalkingaboutrightnow,whichisthatit'splausiblethatthestuffgoingonbelowyourconsciousnessinyourbodycanhaveanimpactontheworldaroundyou.Ifyoudon'tbelievethat,we

canshowyouwithanelectromagneticmeter.Ifyoudon'tbelievethat,it'sbecauseyou'reaskeptic,andyouneedtodosomeforgivenessorsomething.Someonetriedtotrickyouinthirdgrade,andyou'restillstuckonthat.Dealwithit.Don'tbeasciencetroll.

Then,afterthat,isitconceivablethatwhenyouchangethewayyourvisceraltissuesrespondtoanenvironmentalstimulusthatitwouldchangethesignalthatcomesoffyourbody?Whatyou'vewritteninyourbookisthat,whilethat'sactuallywhathappens,andIthinkit'sfairtosaythatwedon'tnecessarilyknowthemechanismsbetweenforgiveness,betweenforgivenessorlettinggoofanoldtraumaorhealingsomething.Everystepbetweenthatandthingschanging,Idon'tthinkweknowallthat.Butwecansayyourheartratevariabilitywillchange,andwecanmeasurethatontheskinorawayfromthebody.Wecanalsoshowyourbrainwaveschange.Then,aninnerthoughtpatternchangesavibrationalpattern,andthevibrationalpatternchangesthewayyouinteractwiththeworldaroundyou.

Buttheflipsideofthat,whichiswherewe'regoing,isifyoubelievethatthere'safrequencyinfood,andifyoudon'tbelievethat,lookatthepatternfortheBT3.There'sawholebunchofotherworkaroundthatsortofstuff.Yeah,someofitisinthewoospectrum.Allnewinventionsarealwayswoo,untiltheybecomeself-evidenttoeveryone,andthen,"Ohlook,noIinventedthat.""Ithoughtlastmonthyoudidn'tlikethat?"Anyway,whathappensthereisthere'ssomeinteractiongoingon.Yourbookisoneoftheearlybookslookingatwhatdoyoudoaboutthat.

Now,youtalkaboutthesefoodsthatarehigher-vibrationfoods.CertainlyifyouasksomeonefromanyofthesystemsofacupunctureorAyurvedaorChinesemedicine,theywouldalreadytellyou,"Yeah,somefoodshavedifferentvibrations."Heck,I'vehadadoctorinLAtellme,"Dave,youneedtoeatchicken,butitcanonlybeblackchicken."I'mlike,"What?"Hegoes,"Yeah.There'sblack-skinnedchickens.Youneedtoeatamaleblack-skinnedchicken.Ithasadifferentvibration."Iactuallyneverfoundamaleblack-skinnedchicken.Maybehewasjustcompletelyfullofcrap,butIthinkhewasgoingonthousandsofyearsofwhatthey'venoticed.

I'mnotgoingtosayweknoweverything.IdoubtyouorIcollectively,ifwestuckourbrainstogether,kneweverything.Butwedoknowenoughtosaythere'sstepsyoucantakenowthatcanincreaseyourvibration.I'msurebynowpeoplearegoing,"MaybethisisBS.Maybenot."I'lltellyou,Idon'tthinkitis.But,whatarethefoodsorotherthings,forgivenessyoumentioned,webothagreeonthat,butespeciallyfoodsthatcouldincreasethebody'svibration?

RobynOpenshaw: Doyouwanttoknowwhattheclassoffoodsisthathasthehighestvibration?

DaveAsprey: Weallknowit'sbacon.Comeon.

RobynOpenshaw: You'llbesurprised.Yeah.Wewantittobebutterandbacon?Isfruit.Fruitactuallyisthehighestvibration.Thatwasasurprisetome.Ithoughtitwouldbegreens,butgreensarethesecondhighest.

DaveAsprey: Itmakessense,becauseifyouaregoingtohavebabiesyoulookat,inhumans,whathumanshavethehighestvibrationisbabies.It'sbecausefruitisplantbabies.Thatdoesn'tmeanthattheydon'thaveotherthings,liketonsofsugarandotherthingsinthemthatareinteresting.I'mdefinitelyinterestedinwhereyou'regoingwiththat.Anykindoffruitmoreimpactfulthanothers?

RobynOpenshaw: IactuallyamgoingtotakethisintomyresearchwithDr.Rubik,becauseIdon'thaveenoughdataonenoughfoods.Butthere'sdefinitelysomeinferencesyoucanmakeaboutclassesoffoods.But,evenifwedidstaybackintheoldcaloriewayoflookingatthings,andcountinggramsofmacronutrients,there'salotofalignmentthere.Weknowwefeelgoodwhenweeatmorewholefoods.Ithinkwecanallagreeonthat.

DaveAsprey: No.Serious?

RobynOpenshaw: Youwouldeatmoreprocessedfood?

DaveAsprey: Areyoustuckonthewholegrainthing?

RobynOpenshaw: No.

DaveAsprey: Ifyoueatawholefood,I'mcountingonyoutoeattheshellofthewalnut,theshelloftheegg.Imean,whatthehellisawholefoodanyway,Robyn?Igottoaskyou.

RobynOpenshaw: Let'ssay,lessisaddedtoit,lessisdonetoit,lessisstrippedoutofit.Thatmakesitmorewhole.You'reexactlyright.It'snotlikewegetalmondsoutofthetreeandeatthemwiththosehardshellsontheoutside.

DaveAsprey: Likecashews.Theoutsideofacashewiscaustictoyourskin.Youhavetoboilitbeforeyoucangettothemiddletoeatit.Whensomeonesays"wholefoods,"I'mlike,right.That'sjustlikeacalorie.It'sameaninglessterm.Ididn'tactuallyholdJohnMackeytothatstandard,becausehe'safriendandalsohejustwroteawholebookaboutit,whenIinterviewedhim.But,inagreatrespectfortheideathatnutrientsmatter,andtheydo,I'malittleskepticalwhensomeonesayswholefoodshavemorevibration.Itdoesn'tmeanthatyouwanttoeatthewholefood.Youdon'teatthetreeeither.Youdon'teatthestalkbehindeverything.

What'sgoingoniswe'reselectivelychoosingthepartsoffoodsthatwewanttoeat.Wealwayshave.Ithinkthatthere'sroomformaximizingwhatwegetoutoffoods.Butthatdoesn'tmeanthatyouwanttotakeit,boilitdownintoonecomponentinthefood,andthenmixitwithMSGandmargarineandthencallit

ameal,becauseweallclearlyknowthatthere'snothingleftintherethatwewanttoeat.

RobynOpenshaw: Micronutrientsaregone.Fiberisgone.But,forsomereason,whenaplantfood,whetherit'sanalmondorapieceofkaleorwhateveritis,isnottoodisturbed,anditcamerecentlyfromthegroundwhereit'sdrawingupallthisnutrition,ithashighvibrationalenergy,aswellasmorefiber.Ithasn'tbeensittinginthesupplychain.

Partoftheproblemofprocessedfoodsis...Wemakeconsumableproducts,asdoesBulletproof.It'sbeenreallyinterestingtolearnthat,ifyougetarawmaterialrightbeforeitsexpirationdate,aslongasyougetitinyourfinishedproductitsortofstartsover.Wecouldputdriedcarrotpowderintoaproductthatnowhasatwo-yearshelflife,butthatcarrotpowderhasbeeninthesupplychainfortwoyears.Bythetimesomebodyeatsit,itmightliterallyhavebeensittingthereforfouryears.Thishasgottohaveaneffectonenergies.

Tome,it'snot...Idon'tthinkwehavethedatarightnowtonaildowneverysinglefood.Iwanttobepartofbringingmoreresearchtoit.Butwhat'sinterestingis,whatwealreadyknowisgoodforusisalsogoodforourelectromagneticfrequencies.Rememberthatmovielike10yearsago,Iwasabigeye-roller,youknowhowyouweretalkingaboutitaminuteagothatwe'reskepticsallthewayuntilwearen't,andthensometimes,especiallyatyourageandmine,thingswewereskepticalof10yearsago,maybenowwithmoredata,moreknowledge,andmoreexperience,wecomearoundon.Isawthatmovie...DidyouseethemovieTheSecretandrollyoureyesatit?

DaveAsprey: Yeah.Ofcourse.

RobynOpenshaw: Ididn'tlovehowlittleevidencetherewas.ItwouldjusttalkabouthowyoudriveintotheWalmartparkinglotandthinkgoodintentionsandthefrontrowparkingspotwouldcomeavailable.BecauseIwaslike,"Well,whataboutalltheotherpeoplewhodroveintotheparkinglotandtheyhadtheintentionthattheywantedafront-rowspot?"Igotallmixedupaboutitinmyhead.

Butthepartthat'sinterestingaboutit,isthere'sallthistalkforthelast10yearsaboutlawofattraction,anditkindofwastoomanywoosforme.But,here'sthething.Whatwe'refindingisthatwhenyouareahigher-vibrationperson,whenyouareoscillatingathigherfrequencies,you'reactuallyattractingmoreflow.You'recapableofmorecreativity.You'recapableofmorefocus.Youareattractinghigherlevelsofopportunity.Youfindyourself,whenyou'relivinginhighvibrations,thatthingsarejusteasier.You'rechoosingbetweentwogoodthingsinsteadofbeinghomelessunderabridge,superlowvibration,eatingnothingbutcrap,can'tscrapetogethertwonickels.

That'swhere,tome,myworkhasbeentryingtounderstand-howdoesthelawofattractioncometogetherwithalltheseenergiesthatwe'reinaquantum

phaseofdiscoveryintheworld?Likeyousaid,RussiaandEurope,they'rewayaheadofusinunderstandingenergies.Over8,000studiesnowonthenegativeeffectsonthehumanorganismandotherlivingorganismsofchaoticfrequencies,orelectromagneticfrequencies,whereastheUnitedStatesisjustpretendingit'snotevenaproblem.Ourgovernmentisn'tprotectingusfromit.The5Gnetworkiscomingout,andthere'salotofscaryintelaboutthat.

Thepointis,wecancontrolourenergiesfarmorethanwe...andwecanbeattractingindividuals.We'realwaysattractingandrepellingsomething.Itmightbedisturbingtothink,"Idon'twanttoberepellingpeopleandthings."Yeah,youdo.Youdo.Youwanttoberepelling.Likeweweretalkingabouttheresonantfrequencies,TeslacametotheAmericas,hewas20yearsold,andhehadliterallybeenhavingdreamsatnightaboutNiagaraFalls.HewantedtocometoAmericaandchanneltheenergyofNiagaraFalls,becausetheentiresonicspectrumissaidtoresideinthatnaturalwonder.Hecamehere,andheactuallydidthataspartofhismanyaccomplishments.Heaccumulated300worldwidepatentsbeforehedied.

Thepointis,whenitcomestousindividually,isthatwecanchannelalotmorepositivefrequencies.Itreallycomesdowntosomereallysimple,small,actionablethingsthatwedoeveryday.WhatIwouldlikeisforpeopletojustbemoreawarethatweareelectricalbeings,thattheyareelectromagnetic.Ofcourseifwe'remagneticbeingswe'reattractingandrepelling.

DaveAsprey: Atthatpoint,ifyou'vehadachancetoreadHeadstrong,I'mmoretalkingtolisteners.Ithinkyou'vereadit,Robyn.

RobynOpenshaw: Mmhmm(affirmative).

DaveAsprey: There'sjustabundantevidencethatyourcellsrunonsemiconductorscalledmitochondria,andthatyoudonothaveathought,youdonotfeelanemotion,andyoudonotmakeamove,takeabreath,haveaheartbeatwithoutelectrons.ThesamekindofelectronsthatpoweryouriPhone.They'reliterallymadefromfoodandairandsunlightandwater.That'sjusthowitworks.Sunlightandwaterarelesserissuesthere.Yougetnotthatmuch.Youcan'tliveonsunlightalone.Atleast,allthepeoplewhosaytheydousuallygetcaughtat7-Eleveneatinghotdogs.I'malittleskepticaloftheBreathariansuneaters.

RobynOpenshaw: Metoo.

DaveAsprey: TheremighthavebeenacoupleofpeoplewhohitthatinremotepartsofIndiathatarerelativelywell-documented,butnotinthemodernworldanyway.Ifyoujustacceptthatwe'reelectrical,andsothatsystemoughttobeabletobehigher-levelenergyorlower-levelenergy.

It'sbeenmyexperience,especiallydoingdeepworkwithneurofeedback,whenyoucanturnuptheamountofenergyinthecells,peopleareabletodomore.

Doesn'tthatjustmakesense?Ifyourcarhasmorehorsepower,itcandomore.Ifyourbodydoes,itcan.Weweretalkingaboutfoodthere,andyoumentionedthevalueoffreshfoodforenergy.Mostpeople,unlessyou'refortunatetolivenearafarmer'smarketorhaveyourowngarden,youdon'tknowwhatitfeelsliketoeatamealoutoffreshfoodortoeatamealoutoffreshfoodforaweekinarow.

OneofthereasonsIlivewhereIliveisIliveonanorganicfarm.WhenI'mhome,weeatalmostallfoodthatcamefromourownfamilyandcamefromourownenvironment.TheTibetans,whenyoulookattheTibetanmedicaltraditions,theyactuallytellyou,minimizethenumberofpeoplewhotouchyourfoodbeforeyoueatitbecauseitaffectsthefood'senergy.Someofthestuff,you'relike,"Well,why?What'stheevidence?What'sthemechanism?"Theanswerthereis,wekindofknowthatitworks,whichisagreatpartofscience.It'scalledobservation.Thenwecanformahypothesis.

Onehypothesisisthatit'sbecausethere'sinvisibleunicornsthatmakeithappen.That'sprobablyhardtoprove,butit'sahypothesis.Untilit'sdisproven,it'sahypothesis.Butthenwecanhaveotheronesthatsayithastodowithmitochondrialthings.Ithastodowithenergyexchangeandresonantfrequenciesandtheentirespectruminbetween.

ButwhatIthinkisgettingtobeverywellunderstoodisthatitmattersanditbehoovesusasscientistsandashumanstounderstandwhy,becauseifweunderstandthemechanismsofit,it'sentirelypossiblethatthe7Gnetworkwedeploywillcompletelyupgradetheenergyinyourbodyinsteadofdisruptingit.Butifwedenythatthere'saneffect,whichisananti-sciencethingtodo..."There'saneffect,butIdidn'tlikeit,thereforetheeffectdidn'thappen,"whichiswhataskepticwilldo.Thenthere'sthewoo-woopersonthatsays,"Oh,there'saneffect.It'stotallytheunicorns."Eitheroneofthose,you'reonthewrongsideofthespectrum.Youneedtobenonreactivetoanewideaandgo,"Isitplausible?Idon'tseehowthatcouldwork.Isthereenoughevidencethatitworks?"Versusbecomingopenlyhostiletoevidencethatdoesn'tmeetthehypothesisthatyou'vereligiouslyattachedyourselfto.

AsI'veagedandasI'vebecomeabletotakethislevelofcontrolofmyownbiology,Iwasanextremeskeptic,verymuchareductionistwhenIwasreally,reallysick.Inordertogetwellandtolosethe100pounds,andthentogowaybeyondthat,Ijustrealized,"Look,I'mgoingtogowithwhatworks.IfIdon'tknowwhyitworks,I'mokaywiththat.I'mjustgoingtomeasurethatitworked.It'spossible,ifI'mdoingthreethingsatonce,onlyoneortwoofthemworkedandtheotheronemighthavebeenawasteoftime,butI'mokaywiththat.DidIgetwhatIwanted?"

ThatperspectiveIthinkismissingfromalotofsciencehere,whereit'slikeithastobeonething.Ihatetotellyouthis,everyscienceexperiment,includingthedouble-blindstudieslikethat,theydon'tcontrolforalmosteveryvariablethatmatters.Showmeanormalstudydoneonmiceoronhumansthatcontrol

foratmosphericpressure.Theydon'tevenreportonthat.Yet,it'saknownvariablethatchangesyourbiology.

Dotheyreporton...nowI'llgetcrazy.Dotheyreportonspaceweather?Well,no.I'vegotgearrightovertherethatusessubtlepulse2electromagneticfrequenciestochangeyourbrainstates,andtheywarnyouintheinstructionmanual,"YouneedtogototheNASAwebsite."Notwoo-woo-woo.com,buttheNASAwebsiteandlookatthespaceweather,becausewehavefoundthatthiskindoffrequencies,theydon'tworkwellifthere'sabigstorminspaceorifit'stoocalm.Ifyouwanttogettheresults,thisisanimportantvariable.Howmanymousestudieslookingatwhatcornnutsdotomicecontrolledforthetypeoflightingandtheelectromagneticenvironment?Theydon'tdoit,yettheypublishthesethingsandsay,"Weknowwhat'sgoingon."

IhaveahighdegreeofquestioningwhenIlookatthesethings,becausetheysay,"Icontrolledforallthevariables."No.Youcontrolledforabout0.1%ofthevariablesormaybeeven0.001%.It'sthoseothervariablesthatyouandIaretalkingaboutandwhatyoutalkaboutinyourbook,andtheymatter.That'swhyIhavefreshfoodfrommygarden,becauseitfeelsbetter.Why?Someoneshowme.ThenIcanputitinabottle.Thatsoundsgreat.Butuntilwerecognizeitandmeasureit,Ithinkwehaveproblemshere.

Youdo,though.Youdorecommendsomefoodsinthestuffthatcomeswithyourbookandwithyour...Ithinkinthebookitself.Givemesomefoodsthatarehighervibrationthewayyou'remeasuringvibration.

RobynOpenshaw: It'sgoingtosoundself-servingifIsaythatyoucanputalotoftheminagreensmoothie,butthesuperfoods,andtheytendtolineup...thisispurelyobservational.Idon'thavethisresearch.Buttheytendtolineupwiththehighmicronutrientfoods.Thefoodsthatarehighinvibrationalenergyarealsotheonesthatarehighinmicronutrients.

DaveAsprey: Areyousayingeatmoreveggies?

RobynOpenshaw: Youknow,Iknowit'ssoboring.

DaveAsprey: Ohjeez.

RobynOpenshaw: Didwejustlistentoanhourinterviewforhertosay"eatmorevegetables"?

DaveAsprey: Butitturnsoutit'smorethanthat,because,andthisissomethingthatisreallyimportant,allvegetablesarenotcreatedequal.Youcangetanorganicvegetablethatwasgrownindepletedsoilthatsatforamonthbeforeyougotit,thatwaspickedwhenitwasunripe,andit'sfresh.Itmightevenhaveanicestickerthatsaysriperightontheretotellyouit'sripe.That'sdifferentthanifyoupickitandeatit.There'sjustafundamentaldifferencethere.

Thisisnotjustabouteatingmorevegetables.It'sabouteatinghigher-qualityvegetables,andIwouldsayevenhigher-qualitymeat.Thedifferenceinfrequencyornutrientavailabilityorhowyoufeelwhenyou'redonebetweenananimalthatwasraisedproperlyonitsnaturalfood,ethicallyraised,ethicallyslaughtered,andcarefullybutcheredbyanartisan,andthendeliveredtoyou,isfundamentallydifferentthanananimalthatdied,thatlivedinpain,diedhorriblywhilewatchingitsotheranimalsdie,andthenpackagedbyarobotorachildprisonlaborerinanothercountry.Youfeeldifferentwhenyoueatthosethings.Youmightsay,"Dave.That'sBS.There'snoreasonyoufeeldifferent."Idon'tcare.Pickareason.Itgoesbacktounicorns.Youfeeldifferent.Tryit.

RobynOpenshaw: Exactly.Ifyouthinkaboutthefactthatthestateoffear,fearandanger,issuchlowvibration,whenyouthinkaboutananimalraisedinthoseconditions...Tainiodidsomeresearchonthis,thatwhenyouhavecagedchickenthataremistreatedtheirentirelives,they'relow-frequencytothepointoftwohertz,twohertz,whenwehavetheseanimalsraisedinvery,verypoorconditions.Weareeatingthoseenergies.

DaveAsprey: I'mnot.

RobynOpenshaw: You'renot.You'renot.

DaveAsprey: It'sunethicalandbadforyoutoeatthatkindofstuff.It'snotfood.Iwouldn'twanttodothattotheanimalandIwouldn'twanttodoittomyownmeat.I'mhappytobeavegetarianatarestaurantthatdoesn'thavegrass-fedmeatorwild-caughtmeat.Otherwise,it'sjustnotworthit.Youdon'thavetohavemeatateverymealinordertothriveandfeelgood.That'ssomethingIwouldencouragepeoplelisteningtodo.Look,eatthegoodstuff,don'teatthebadstuff.Avoidingthebadstuff,whatyouwouldtermlow-vibrationfoods,it'sactuallymoreimportantthaneatingfood.It'sbettertofastthanitistoeatcrap.

RobynOpenshaw: Absolutelytrue.Absolutelytrue.Youaregettingsomereallygood...thoseeat-the-sun,youdon'tneedanyfoodifyou'reoutinthesunandyou'repickingupallthegoodenergyexchangefromthesun.Idon'treallyunderstandthatwholething,andI'llbehungryaftertwomealsandI'lljustthrowinthetowel,I'msure.Butwearegettingchargefromthesun,andthereissomethingtothat.Itdoesn'tmeanthatitrulesoutthatweneedfood.

DaveAsprey: There'stwothingsthathappenfromthesun.Theredlightfromthesunaddselectronstotheelectronchaintransportthesamewaythatfooddoes.Theinfraredlightfromthesunchangeswaterinyourcellsthesamewaythatyourmitochondriado.Ifthefirststepofmakingenergyisyourmitochondriatakefoodandtheyuseittomake1200nanometerlight,whichisinfrared,andtheyusethattochangethestructureofwater.Ifyouhavesunlightwithinfraredhittingyourskin,thewaterhaschangedalready,sotheenergythatwouldhavegoneintochangingwatercangointofoldingproteinsorcleaningupthebodyorintoyourwillpower,intoyourbrain.Thosearethetwomainsunlight

mechanisms.There'ssomeotherultravioletthingshappening,butthat'sanotherfrequency.

Whenwe'retalkingaboutfrequencies,youcanmeasurealmostanythinginfrequencies.What'syourfrequencyofeating?Twotimesaday,orthreetimesaday.Youcouldevenmeasurethatinhertz.Howmanytimesdoyoueataday?It's0.3hertz,orsomething,ifyouaveragethemealsperoversomeperiodoftime.Butwedoknowlightfrequenciesmatter.

What'sreallyconfusingisthat,ifyoutakethatsunlightorsayahealinglaser,youcanmeasurethefrequencyofthelight,butthenyouturnthelightonandoffatanotherfrequency,whichisanotherhertz.Lightthatblinks40timesasecond,forinstance,reversesAlzheimer'sdiseaseinstudies.There'sanewstartupbasedonthat.IspentanhourwithaHarvard-trainedneuroscientistwhodiscoveredthis.I'mlike,"Whywoulditmatterifthelightsflashacertainamountoftimes?"Godknows,butthere'ssomethinggoingon.Ourbodiesarelisteningtolight.That'sanotheroneofthesevibrationalthingswhere,wait,foodgivesofflight.Gutbacteriagiveofflight.Mitochondriaaresensitivetolight.That'sapartofthefrequencything,butit'saninterestingone.

RobynOpenshaw: ThatremindsmeofEMDRinpsychotherapy.There'snowjusthundredsofpublishedstudiesonhowpowerfulitis.It'susingfrequencies,andthat'sallreally.Mycolleagues...I'mnotapracticingtherapistanymore,butmycolleaguesareinlovewithit.They'reallgettingtrainedinit.It'sbecauseit'sthemostresearch-based,efficacioustreatmentrightnowoutthere.Myoldmodels,whenIwasingradschoolstudyingFreudianandbehaviorismandGestaltandallthesedifferentmodalities,allofthem,whenyouputthemtothetest,athirdofpeopleintherapygetbetter,athirdofpeopleintherapygetworse,andathirdofpeopleintherapystaythesame.Guesswhatthestatisticsareforpeopleintraditionaltherapyorwhoaren'tinanytherapy?

DaveAsprey: They'reexactlythesame.

RobynOpenshaw: They'reexactlythesame.

DaveAsprey: Butthey'rewealthier.EMDRisprofoundlyeffective.Itinvolvesmovingyoureyesbackandforthatacertainfrequency.WhatIbelieveisgoingonhere,Robyn,isthatourbrainsunderstandthingsthathappenoveraseriesoftime.Theydon'tunderstandanythingthathappensoverastaticperiod,becauseanythingthat'smorethanamicrosecond.Thisisbornbyresearchonhowtheprefrontalcortexworks.Wehavetohavetimeaspartofwhatwedotoexperiencetheworld.Ifyouhavetime,youhavefrequency,bydefinition.That'sjustafundamentalpartofhowourconsciousnessworks,whichiskindofcool.

Now,we'recomingupontheendoftheshow.Wehaven'ttalkedalotaboutdirtyelectricity.ThisissomethingthatIknowthatyou'respendingalotofyourenergyonrightnow,andit'ssomethingthatI'mkeenlyawareofandsomething

thatIcontrolforsomethingI'vetalkedaboutforyears.Howmuchofthatareyoutalkingaboutinthebook?Wementionedearlier5GandWi-Fiandthingslikethat.Thisdefinitelyhasanenergeticimpactonusifyouacceptthefactthatwe'reelectromagneticbeings.What'syourtakeonthat?

RobynOpenshaw: Wedotalkaboutitinthebook.Werecommendpeopledoadetox,andbydetoxImeananEMFdetox.HereintheUnitedStateswerefertoitas...ifwerefertoitatall,ifweevenacknowledgethatitexists,electromagneticfrequencies,thesearethesechaoticradiationsorradiationorbrokenfrequencies.They'recompetingwithourownflow,ourownabilitytofocus,ourownenergiesthatthiswasneveraproblemuntilrecently.

InEurope,ItakesomeofmyfollowerstoaclinicofbiologicalmedicineinSwitzerlandeveryyear.It'sanEMF-freezone.Youcan'tbringyourcellphone,anydevice,inthetreatmentrooms,intheluncharea.ThereareactualEMFrefugeesthere.InEuropethereareEMFrefugees.InEurope,theymostlycallitelectro-smog,whichisaninterestingterm.Wedotalkaboutthatinthebook.WecovereverythingthatIknowofthat'squantifiablethat'llactuallyhelpyoustayinthehigh,smoothfrequencies,inthegroundedfrequencies.That'soneofthem,isthatwereallycan'tignorethenegativefrequenciesthatwe'reallowingintoourspace.

Onesubjectisalltheelectronics.There'sactuallyenergiesbleedingfromyourelectricaloutlets.WhenIdidadetoxhere,inmyoffice,thatyou'reseeinghereinthebackgroundifyou'rewatching.Itwasover400,whereasbelow50,whatevertheunitofmeasureis,issafe.Wehadtoaddressthat.Probablyoneoftheworstoffenderswasmyson'sXbox.Ididn'trealizeheactuallyhadtwo.Idon'tknowifhegotonefromafriend,orwhat,butsomehowheboughthimselfasecondone.Itliterallyfritzedoutthemeterwhenitwasn'ton,justbybeingpluggedin.Thatwasoneofthethingsthatwefoundtobeasignificantissue.Wedon'thaveasmartmeteronthehouse,luckily.Youcantagyoursmartmeterandsaydonotinstallsmartmeterin...Theymightdoitanyway.

Thesearejustsomeexamples.WetestedmyTeslaversusoneofmyemployees'Hyundai’s.MyTeslawasnotterrible.Really,youwouldthink,sinceit'sacomputer-drivencarorruncarthatwouldhavebeenterrible,butactuallyitwasn'tterrible,butthat'sbecauseIdon'tusetheWi-FiinmyTesla.Ifyou'redrivingabattery-poweredcar,considerkeepingtheWi-Fioff.Don'tsitinyourparkedcarandtext.You'rejustasittingantenna.Don'twearmetalwhiletextinginyourparkedcar.Lotsofthingslikethat.

There'ssomethingsthatwecoverinthebook.Youknowwhatelseistrynottobearoundpeoplewhosuckyourenergy,talkingaboutnegativethingsallthetime.I'mnotaPollyanna.Idon'ttalkaboutallhappyallthetime.ButifI'mgoingtotalkaboutthenegativesinmylife,I'mgenerallygoingtodoitwithapurpose.There'sapurposetheretoextractmeaningfromit.Ithinkwecanabsolutelytalkaboutthenegativesinourlivesandthehardthingsthatwe've

beenthrough.Youdothistoo.Youdoittoo.YouandIhaveincommonthatweusedtobeobese.Italkaboutitoften.

It'skindofhumiliatingtotalkaboutbeing206poundsandhaving21diseases,butIlovetalkingaboutitbecausethenIcantalkaboutthejourney.That'swhereIthinkwehaveanimpact.ThisiswhereyouandIhaveacleargoal.Iwantustoallhavethelanguagingofit.Iwantpeopletostarttalkingaboutvibration.Iwantthemtoknowwhatitis.Iwantthemtostartnoticingtheimpact.ButwhenI'maroundyou,Dave,youinspireme.

DaveAsprey: Thanks.

RobynOpenshaw: Youmakemethinkinhigher-frequencythoughts.Youaretotallyrelentlessinhelpingmeclearnegativevibrations.I'msuperexcitedaboutdoing40yearsofZenwithyou.But,youknowwhat?Wehavesomuchimpactonourownenergies,andthenitgetsreallyexcitingwhenwestarttothinkaboutourinfluence,whichismassive.Evenifpeoplearen'taninfluencerandhave40-something-milliondownloadsofyourshow,youareenergy-exchangingwhenyou'reonthephone,ontheInternet.Theaveragepersonthesedayshassomuchabilitytoimpactthevibrationsofthewholecommunityandevenplanet.We'reputtinggoodstuffoutthere.We'reputtingbackstuffoutthereeverysingleday.Wehaveachoiceaboutthat.

DaveAsprey: Beautiful.Robyn,I'vegotonefinalquestionforyou.Iknowwe'rerunningoveronourtimehere.Ifsomeonecametoyoutomorrowandsaid,"Look,IwanttoperformbetterateverysinglethingIdoasahumanbeing,"whatarethethreemostimportantpiecesofadviceyouhaveforme?Whatwouldyoutellthem?

RobynOpenshaw: Ilovethatquestion,becausethisgetsreallyconcreteandit'snotveryhard.Numberone,makesurethatyou'reeatingmorerealfood.Makeyourowndangfood.Thedeeperinthesupplychain,ifyougotitinadrive-through...Iknowthatyouteachyouraudiencethisverywell,buteatbetterfoodthatyoumakeyourselfasmuchaspossible.

Numbertwo,hangoutwithpeople,spendtimewithpeoplewhoinspireyou.Theyareeitherbringingyouuporthey'rebringingyoudown.Thereisnoflatline.Weneverstaythesame.Ifwe'reflat-lined,weknowwhatflat-lineis.We'veseenERandGrey'sAnatomy.Weareconstantlyinflux.Holdpeoplewhokeepyouinthosesmoothvibrations,thosepeaceful,loving,generous,compassionatevibrations.

Third,cleanupthechaoticfrequenciesinyourenvironment.Don'tthinkjustbecauseyoucan'tseethemthattheydon'tmatter.IwouldsaythemostimportantthingiscontroltheWi-Fi.Turnitoffonyourphone.Don'tbeinaroomwhereWi-Fiisradiatingyouallday,everyday.

DaveAsprey: Beautiful.Robyn,thanksforbeingonBulletproofRadio.Wherecanpeoplefindoutmoreaboutyournewbook?

RobynOpenshaw: NewbookiscalledVibe.Youcangetitanywherebooksaresold.ItreleasesonOctober31stofthisyear.Youcancheckusoutatgreensmoothiegirl.comandGreenSmoothieGirlonFacebook.

DaveAsprey: Awesome.ThanksforbeingonBulletproofRadio.

RobynOpenshaw: Mypleasure.

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