gar 7 February 1969 A262141 SHAW TRIAL BJT 3RD NL 500 BY DON MCKE. ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER -

NEW ORLEANS (AP)-A PROSECUTION WITNESS, WHO-LINKED CLAY ShAW TO A KEY CONSPIRACY CASE -FIGURE, TESTIFIED FRIDAY HE HAD BEEN HYPNOTIZED *FROM TIME TO TIME" BY. A GANG OF .CONSPIRATORS THAT INCLUDED NEW ,YORK POLICE1 .AN ACCOUNTING FIRM, PRIVATE DETECTIVES, COMMUNISTS AND A 'PSYCHIATRIST.

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FEB 7 CWJIW.Y4%iiese-- - pIk elfeinv, eeee d of strange harassments and hypnotic goings-on.

• Minutes before, he told of attending a June 19 ?, party in an apartment near the French Quarter in New ans with Shaw as the host. There was a kitchen discussion of how to assassinate President John F. Kennedy, he said. Spiesel said he was introduced to Shaw by David W. Perris a t*AprL airlines pilot. Shaw, 55, retired New Orleans businessman, is loneltrial on a charge he conspired with 'Yerrie and Ike Harvey Oswald to kill Kennedy, Shaw's lawyer says Shaw never met Ferris and Oswald, both now dead. At theparty, Spiesel said, "Somebody brought It the name of President Kennedy. Waite a Sew of the people started to.criticize him. One of the people there said, 'Somebbdy ought to kill the son. of a bitch.' "

':here was a man sittin opposite Mr. Shaw. ge was about .-9. He said, 'Yes, I'd like ke to do it. But bow would you do it?' "Then everybody at the table, everybody started to talk about ttw you would do it . . Mr. Shaw during the course of the conversation seemed to be amused by it." Spiesell an accountant, took the stand after a drug addict testified he saw Shaw in a June 1967 lakefront rendezvous with Oswald. A sMali,_balding man with birdlike featnres, acknowledged filing a: lawsuit in 196e, with a lawyer's aid, against the City of New York' and a psychiatrist, seeking a $16-million jUderment and claiming harassments to "extort information.'' "ield you allege you had beenhypnotized by one or more of these defendants 1" defense attorney P. Irvin Dymond asked. "Yes, I dia,t , Spiesel shrugged. "How did you have occasion to be hypnotized?"

`The • CPA firm. While _I was working there, they used hypnosis on me.' , But Spiesel said he did not know exactly why. his employers did this., eked about a New York peychiatrist,.Spiesel said; "I Said he was part of the conspiradya

Arg-YPu Otlelleengage4. this PIY.f.131.1.4et ' . A. Yes, I am. Q. Isn't it a fact that you have just recently been pubjectedeto a keommunist. conspiracy?" • . A. Not particularly recently. He Old. that was in 19630 1964 and 1965. Spiesel testified that in 1967 he was co network" about appearing on a program concerning uis . Y. 41t1.417rison's conspiracy investigation. He denied trying to sell his story, but said he demanded $e,One as a fee to appear on the pro am. Court adjourned until 9 a.m. CST with Dymond saying he wanted to question Spiesel about -"some very important matters.'' Chief prosecutor James II. Ale. - handling the case for Garrison, was asked arif he knew

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Spiesel testified that at the 1963 tarty he had suggested that. one who shot Kennedy would himself be killed. But hesaid Ws aw spoke up, "Yes, but couldn't somebody fly him out?'P :'•ierrie hemmed and hawed and said, 'Yes.' "' ,ftlesel said, 10th graf Aeee-e5eNtl

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p Clay Shaw .With David Ferrie at r. 196 7 party at which, the witness •said, there was a discussion of how to. aesassin4 to President .John Fa Kennedy. The tes Imola)! by Charles I. Spiesel- triFeerea an .immediate defense - equest that the witness take jury, court and lawyers on a trip to ind the apartment near.New Orleans' French quarter where th' party supposedly was held.. juage E waral A. Haggerty Jr. said he would rule on the request after or es examines fen of Spiesel, who pointed out Shaw as host at the p rty in June 19 . Spiesel a small, balding man, testified he was int

oduced to Shaw y Ferriee with whom he had flown in the - Air. Force. Shaw/e. 1 wyer has 'said the defendant "never even laid eyes on'', either IF rrie or Lee Harvey Oswald,. the two men named bra Dist. Atty. jit Garrison'as Shaw's co-consnirators in a 1967 Plot to kill Kenn edy, Both Oswald- and Ferris are dead. At the arty, Spica° ' e, 16 persons.

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but saw Ferric, two or three times. 14-140121Orntl .44.ese -,. he called Mist. Attzl,. P.9%-:D.ctrove7 Yitu2117■41:4370 -1iiriTrIttrtratftife-Mafl remember -The location'd Ibt'alortM8nt. In 1963, Spiesel said, he had a dauEhter attending college in New Orleans and he was doing some Part-time accounting Work here. He said he ran into Ferrie in a.Bourbon Street bar the ri.:1!1: of the party. Earlier, a hoarse -voiced druf' addict hadShaw, 5f demoneftate his style of walking in comet after identifying him as the mr who net with Lee Barvey,Cswald five months before the assassination. "May I ask the court here lf it is possible if a dembnstration can be 41ade? " asked themitnesse Vernon William B v 71.! 4it asked that Shaw get up and got() the courtroom ere ranee. Bundy then sat in a. chair near the defenbe "BereI am tn. the top step of the seawall and I've got my - bag between my legs e'0 Bundy said. He had testified he was sittina On the. seawall of Lake Pontehartrain nreparina. to take heroin in June 1962.when' Shaw .and Oswald met. "Would the gentleman. approach me2 '' Bundy asked. I Shaw, looking; puzzled and frowning,. walked the 1enieth of the courtroom as jury and spectators craned' their neeketo-'see:' Undy requested a second walk, announcinps "I want all of you epiiirthis manner the (17entlemf).n

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was a man sitting opposite Mr. Shaw. He was about aid, 'Yes, I'd like to do it. 'But how would you do 'lt?' varybody at the table,. everybody started to 'talk about ould do it . Mr. Shaw during the course of the on seemed to be amused by it . . I was quite.alarmed e of the conversation'', said he suggested anyone who shot Kennedy would aimself be killed. Be said. Shaw spoke up, "Yee, but couldn't somebody fly him out? 0' Spiesel said he was enable to identify anyone at the party except Shaw and Ferrie. He said hee-I-levet a.ain saw Shaw, ter S4.1

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Shaw was moving abreast and-behind Bundi7. **This IS the foot that (he kicks it out when he wa1/4Iks,'' Bundy exclaimed, moving his own foot. "This i6 one way I identified this man the next time I saw Bundy said he had not been completely sure of his identification from a picture of Shaw but became convinced after seeirsa Shaw approach before a 1967 preliminary hearing. Bundy was a keyprosecution witness at the hearing. Pointing ath graf A2361,1U; deleting 18th graf, Dist. Atty XXX now dead.

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Shaw B t NL, 7C0.-1st take- 380 By DON MCKE6 Associ ted. Press Writer £4E Tor4ANS A2 —.A drUt addict testified Friday he wittesaed a 1963 lakefront rendezvous between Lee Harvey Oswald an ley.81Aawaaboutative months.befOre_Presidant John.-14-Keinedy's assassination. The.wttness was Vernon ' za, an acknowledged narcotics addict who said he- was pre par ng to take a shot of heroin when he saw Shaw and Oswald meet late in June 1967. Bundy saidahe ` saw S w pass to Oswald something "that looked like money.'.' Bundy a Negro, was a key prosecution, witness at a 1.967 preliminary h6ari , . for Shaw, 55, standing.. trial on a charge of conspiring with Oewalo and another man to assassinate Kennedy. Pointing to Shaw. Bundy said the defendant was the man who arpived at the lakefront in a black limousine about 9:710 am. that 1.94. Then, Bundy said, a second man approached on foot. The man was identified by Bundy ac Oswald. "Lae anly-conversation I could overhear, this smaller guy, Ostalda was saying, *What .am I going to tell her?1* " Bundy Said Shaw tried t.o quiet Obwald and both turned to look at Bundy,: Sittingwith a bala between his legs and waiting to take his heroin.- *This gentleman here (Jo ndicating Shaw) ; he - gave the other gentleman, Oswald, what /will look to ma like money . . o," Bunqy said. "The gentleman, Oswald, not, examining it, put it into his back pocket.''

7SOK6 PAMPHLETS FELL OUT OF Oswald's pocket, Bundy said, and he later picked up one of the papers, to wrap up his narcotic materiala Bundy said Shaw "talked back of me, and said 'it's a very not day,' and adjusted his collar. '• Bundy said Shaw left in his car and Oswald left on foot. Bundy, on cross-examination,- said he had been a drug addict since he was 1.7a but for the past three weeks had been taking the cure' with daily treatments« When defense attorney F. Irvin Dymond asked Bundy if he was theft,

a convicted burglar, Bundy said.. he was not, but had been convicted- _ aaa-aa- As -talt witness tried to explain, Dymond objected. Chief prosecutor 4aars 11..Alcock loudly Supported- Bundyls ripht. Judge Edward A. Haggerty Jr. of Criminal District Court. wilo already had fished with Dymond earlier ruled with ALcock. But within a few minutes. Alcock was shouting and soOttas Dymond. haggerty:cautioned, **kot let's'cool down a little bit.'' He ordered a.recess while Bundy's criminal record was obtained for the cross—examination.

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LYSYLaYyyx1711 NEW ORLEANS Take 2 Shaw Bit NL 'lour,honor, I object to the Court testifying,'' defense • .

attorney i. Irvin Dymond said after Haggerty rephrased testimony of a police captain during Shaw's trial on a charge of conspiring to assassinate President Kennedy. "This is no game of triche, '' Haggerty responded. ile denied. the motion. The dispute erupted after the proeecution -put up a third witness who swore he saw Shaw in a small southeast- Louisiana town: in the summer of 1963 on the same day Lee Harvey Oswald was there. Other witnesses told of a :previously undisclosed Oswald application for a hospital job at Jackbon, ifk., in 1_96- . Then the state delved into Oswald's nro-Cuba activities in New Orleans that year. Diet. latty. Jim Garrison has charged that Shaw conspired with Oswald-the lone Man charged with Kennedy's murder-an& a former Nevv Orleans airline piltt, David W. Petrie,. to assassinate the President. Shawys testimony said Thursday the defendant, a Thursday retired New Orleans businessman, "never even laid eyes on these twot-Oswald and_ Perrie, both now dead. Elaggerty admitteci testiony about Oswald's activities Over repeated defense objections that it was irrelevant and. occurred prior to the September 1967 conspiratorial agreement charged by the state. The state said it would "connect up' , the testimony later in the case. Yriday t s first witness was ii.111112ame.Luiaak-ar ., a Negro farmer from Clinton, about 120 miles north of New Orleans. ) Dunn said he saw a big, black oar with a man at, the wheel. He was big-ehouldered, a big man, gray hair." Cis Do you El e e this man in the courtroom? A. I do. Co Can you point out this man? Dunn leaned forwardand pointed to Shaw He then identified a photo of Oswald as a man in a voter registration line. ter l eeveral exchanges, Dunn said he recoFniaed Shaw's nicture 'afterShaw was arrested in'March 1967. Q4 Why didn't you tell anybody what you had seen? Didr 't you think you should tell this to someone-rerort having seen him in Clinton? i ii, When I seen his picture, he was arrested. I'm going to have cause to eo have him arrested again? ROZ1bpcs AL. 7 -

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