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    Groklaw Digging For Truth

    Groklie Deleting The Truth

    Evidence for GroklXX's insidious censorship ofperfectly appropriate, non-offensive user comments

    for purposes of disinformation and fabrication of consensus

    19 November 2010

    Florian Mueller

    http://fosspatents.blogspot.com

    Twitter: @FOSSpatents

    Introduction

    At different points in time including yesterday, certain readers ofmy blogwho also read GroklXX

    (that site calls itself "Groklaw" but I have my reasons to refer to it as "Groklie" in certain contexts)

    have provided me with information and material (screenshots and locally saved HTML files)

    documenting GroklXX's censorship of perfectly appropriate, non-offensive user comments.

    User comments were apparently deleted only because they reflect the growing disagreement

    between GroklXX's mystery-shrouded editors hiding behind an avatar named PJ and some of the

    site's open-minded, facts-focused readers. This includes requests for explanations of such deletions.

    For some time, I kept collecting evidence while hoping that there would never be a need to show it

    to a larger audience. I never promised the submitters that I would use the material they volunteered.

    However, yesterday marked a new low. GroklXX censored an entire subthread containing a

    reference to -- and reasonable discussion of -- a comment I posted on ZDNet. The deleted part

    included comments from some of GroklXX's most loyal users and volunteer contributors.

    In my observation, GroklXX's censorship far exceeds that of corporate websites, which either don't

    allow comments at all or accept criticism -- even of the harsher kind -- within reason.

    Disinformation and fabrication of consensus are irreconcilable with the core values of the free andopen source software community -- the audience GroklXX seeks to mislead with such and similar

    behavior.

    Those complaints are not new, and this documentation quotes and links to several reports from users

    who eyewitnessed, and were in some cases affected, by GroklXX's truth-suppressing ways.

    There is overwhelming evidence -- old, recent, and brand-new -- that GroklXX is anything but a

    true and open community discussion forum and that the opinions expressed by and on that site are

    definitely not representative of the beliefs held by the open source community at large.

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    http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/http://twitter.com/FOSSpatentshttp://fosspatents.blogspot.com/http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/http://www.groklaw.net/http://twitter.com/FOSSpatentshttp://fosspatents.blogspot.com/http://www.groklaw.net/http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/
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    Table of contents

    1 Incidents on 18 November 2010......................................................................................3

    1.1 Deletion of discussion of ZDNet comment.......................................................................3

    1.2 Deletion of question about censorship...............................................................................7

    2 Incident on 11 April 2010..............................................................................................112.1 Perfectly appropriate and respectful user comment related to IBM/TurboHercules.......11

    2.2 Baseless allegation of "personal attacks"........................................................................12

    2.3 Unjustified removal of the entire subthread: visible only to the original commenter.....13

    3 Previously published complaints over GroklXX's censorship...................................16

    3.1 2005, linux-blog.org........................................................................................................16

    3.2 2006, Yahoo! Finance message board for SCO Group Inc..............................................18

    3.3 2007, blogbeebe.blogspot.com........................................................................................19

    3.4 2010, ibmvshercules.com (Jay Maynard)........................................................................19

    4 Protection of sources and concluding remarks

    Note: To facilitate cursory reading and the use of this document as a point of reference, the

    mentionings of deletions of user comments are highlighted in red.

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    1 Incidents on 18 November 2010

    1.1 Deletion of discussion of ZDNet comment

    1.1.1 Comments saved at 09:34 AM GMT

    Below each article, GroklXX routinely provides an Off Topic section for "[d]iscussions about thingsunrelated to the main article."

    At 09:34 AM GMT, a user saved a local copy of the Off Topic section of the discussion under theGroklaw article, "Oracle declines to press its motion to dismiss, so motion is dismissed."This URL leads to the current state of that section.

    The following screenshot shows the relevant part of the aforementioned local copy:

    [Screenshot #1:]

    None of those comments was objectionable. This is the comment that opened the thread:

    [Screenshot #2:]

    The link in the above comment that opened the thread pointed to this comment on ZDNet.

    The first response, "The fal[l]acies of PJ", actually defended GroklXX:

    [Screenshot #3:]

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    http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20101118013355936&title=Off%20Topic&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=0#c886775http://www.zdnet.com/tb/1-90294-1716249?tag=talkback-river;1_90294_1716249http://www.zdnet.com/tb/1-90294-1716249?tag=talkback-river;1_90294_1716249http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20101118013355936&title=Off%20Topic&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=0#c886775http://www.zdnet.com/tb/1-90294-1716249?tag=talkback-river;1_90294_1716249
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    The second response, "The text", contained the content of the ZDNet comment "for those who don'twant to frequent [ZDNet]":

    [Screenshot #4:]

    The above comment did not contain anything objectionable. Most of the text is facts-based criticism

    of GroklXX's reporting on the Oracle v. Google patent and copyright case. The attributes describing

    the "avatar named PJ" make reference to the fact that none of GroklXX's editors has ever revealed

    their identity or appeared at real-life events. According to Wikipedia, an avatar "is an object

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_(computing)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_(computing)
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    representing the user" (nowadays usually in a graphical form, but as Wikipedia states, "it can also

    refer to a text construct") and it "can also refer to the personality connected with the screen name, or

    handle, of an Internet user." All of that is non-judgmental, and "PJ" clearly meets the definition.

    The comment was not censored by ZDNet -- one of the world's leading editorial sites covering IT

    topics -- for being offensive. I did not even see any criticism. Only the GroklXX user who posted

    the link described it as a "troll comment".

    If GroklXX indeed aimed to "dig for the truth", it would have made -- in an effort to enlighten its

    users -- a facts-focused statement on the criticism expressed by the comment referenced and quoted.

    1.1.2 Comments saved at and shortly after 10:40 AM GMT

    As opposed to anyone complaining over offensive content, a reasonable debate began. The

    following screenshot shows the Off Topic section as a user saved it at 10:40 AM GMT:

    [Screenshot #5:]

    The above screenshot already shows a first act of censorship. "The text", which appears in the

    list shown by screenshot #1 and the content of which is shown by screenshot #4, had been removed.

    The above screenshot also shows that GroklXX regulars participated in the debate: "Winter", "Ian

    Al" and "stegu" (one of a few GroklXX users whose real name -- Stefan Gustavsson -- is known)

    have been very active GroklXX users for a long time.

    Different screenshots (of local copies of the discussion stored shortly after screenshot #5) show thatthe debate was reasonable and constructive:

    [Screenshot #6:]

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    [Screenshot #7:]

    [Screenshot #8:]

    [Screenshot #9:]

    1.1.3 Entire thread missing in version saved at 03:37 PM GMT

    [Screenshot #10:]

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    There was no justification to delete the entirety of the thread. There was also no justification for

    deleting a link to a comment on ZDNet criticizing GroklXX.

    I hereby certify that I have seen the comments that were shown above but no longer listed in

    screenshot #10. At least some of them must have been seen by at least those who replied to them.

    I believe that at some point there were even more comments on the thread but on the current basis

    (without screenshots) cannot certify more than the messages documented herein.

    1.2 Deletion of question about censorship

    1.2.1 List saved at 07:17 PM GMT

    By 07:17 PM GMT, the Off Topic section had grown but the censored part was still missing:

    [Screenshot #11:]

    The growth that the Off Topic section experienced during a few hours suggests that a significant

    number of users must have read part or all of the thread discussing the ZDNet Comment while it

    was online.

    1.2.2 List saved at 08:10 PM GMT and items saved shortly thereafter

    By 08:10 PM GMT, the Off Topic section contained a new (then bottom-of-the-list) commentraising the question of GroklXX's censorship:

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    [Screenshot #12:]

    A screenshot taken five minutes later shows that the "Censorship"comment was appropriate:

    [Screenshot #13:]

    The previous screenshot also shows that a reply, "Partial list of comments censored for no reason",was posted to the "Censorship"comment.

    The content of that reply is shown below. It merely listed the comments that had disappeared earlier

    that day.

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    [Screenshot #14:]

    The appropriate response by GroklXX's editors would have been to provide an explanation for thedeletion of non-objectionable comments. Instead, they adopted the approach of totalitarian regimes

    and decided to suppress any such questions.

    1.2.3 List saved at 08:45 PM GMT

    At 08:45 PM GMT, that thread had also disappeared:

    [Screenshot #15:]

    The screenshot above was produced on someone else's computer than the previous ones. I hereby

    certify that I witnessed the disappearance of the relevant "Censorship"thread before and after.

    1.2.4 List saved the following morning (19 November 2010) at 06:25 AM GMT

    The following morning, the two threads that had been deleted were still missing:

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    [Screenshot #16:]

    Meanwhile, GroklXX published a new article, "Google et al Argue with Paul Allen's Interval

    Licensing: One Big Case or 11? Or None?", with a fresh Off Topic section:

    [Screenshot #17:]

    Consequently, interest in the previous Off Topic section will subside. The censors succeeded.

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    2 Incident on 11 April 2010

    I am summarizing the incident described in this chapter solely based on input and documentation

    provided to me. I can certify that the relevant threads are now missing from the GroklXX discussion

    in which they were, according to my source, posted. I have no reason not to believe my source that

    the comments shown in the screenshots used to be there. However, given the period of time that has

    since passed, I cannot declare affirmatively that I actually read those comments back in the spring.

    2.1 Perfectly appropriate and respectful user comment related to IBM/TurboHercules

    In the discussion below this GroklXX article, "Why I Believe IBM is Free to Sue The Pants Off

    TurboHercules", a GroklXX user posted the following comment:

    [Screenshot #18:]

    The above screenshot shows that the comment was posted on 11 April 2010 at 05:15 AM EDT and

    that it drew at least three responses: one by "Wol", one of GroklXX's most loyal users; one by

    GroklXX's moderator avatar, "PJ"; and one by "jmaynard", whose real name is Jay Maynard and

    who is the long-time volunteer maintainer of the Hercules open source mainframe emulator project

    and known to many geeks as "the Tron Guy". Jay Maynard's negative experience with GroklXX's

    censorship policy is discussed in Section 3.

    The comment shown above focuses on legal aspects of the debate over whether IBM betrayed itsopen source patent pledge by a threat letter to French open source startup TurboHercules

    (referenced as "TH" in the comment). The commenter repeatedly refers to "Heracles", by which he

    means the Hercules open source mainframe emulator. Heracles is the Greek name of the mythical

    figure the Romans called Hercules. The mainframe emulator project bears the Latin name.

    The comment is above board. There is nothing in it that could not be accepted in a civilized debate.

    It expresses disagreement with (as well as surprise over) what I also considered an absurd legal

    theory by the avatar named "PJ". But where "PJ" is addressed directly, the commenter twice stated

    his respect for "PJ" ("and I don't believe she did", "I give her more credit than that").

    The question whether "these forums [got] drained of legal knowledge" is also acceptable rhetoric.

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    http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100408153953613http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Maynardhttp://www.hercules-390.org/http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100408153953613http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Maynardhttp://www.hercules-390.org/
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    2.2 Baseless allegation of "personal attacks"

    The previous screenshot already showed that the relevant comment resulted in a subthread of its

    own. The following screenshot shows a comment by a GroklXX regular/volunteer named "Wol"

    (who states a misbelief created by GroklXX and addressed by me inthis blog post) and, below that

    one, a warning served to the commenter by the editorial avatar named "PJ":

    [Screenshot #19:]

    That warning is another example of GroklXX's totalitarian, oppressive approach to moderation:

    a) As screenshot #18 showed, nothing in the comment constitutes "personal attacks."

    b) The avatar named "PJ" does not substantiate that allegation at all.

    c) Any implied reference to other postings by the same anonymous commenter does not make

    the relevant comment any less acceptable in its own right.

    d) The comment provides valuable legal substance to the debate. It disagrees with GroklXX's

    party line and counters the impression of an open source community consensus GroklXX

    seeks to fabricate (in this case, as well as in countless others, such consensus would give the

    impression of an alignment of the open source community with IBM).

    e) The person(s) behind the avatar named "PJ" reacted emotionally to a commenter's well-

    reasoned contribution to the discussion, debunking an absurd legal theory of a kind very

    frequently found on GroklXX, especially when IBM's interests are at stake. In connection

    with the SCO case, alignment with IBM resulted in the appearance of accurate predictions.

    However, in certain other contexts -- such as the TurboHercules matter -- that same

    alignment often results in gross distortions, untruths, and manipulation.

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    http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/04/turbohercules-entire-correspondence.htmlhttp://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/04/turbohercules-entire-correspondence.htmlhttp://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/04/turbohercules-entire-correspondence.html
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    f) The reference to dissidents who left GroklXX ("AllParadox and Marbux") certainly did not

    sit well with the editorial team.

    2.3 Unjustified removal of the entire subthread: visible only to the original commenter

    In addition to outright deletion, GroklXX has another censoring mechanism in place that otherpeople and I have witnessed independently from each other. That alternative approach -- called

    "sandboxing" -- makes a comment or an entire thread or subthread invisible to all visitors except the

    original commenter of the comment at the top of the (sub)thread and, presumably, GroklXX's

    editorial staff. I don't know the criterion GroklXX uses to identify a user. Some suspect users are

    identified by their IP address, which is a possibility but not necessarily the only method employed.

    The user who wrote the "How can you get a violation parsing it that way?"comment realized thatthe subthread had been censored that way. He produced a screenshot from his computer and

    highlighted (via mouse selection) the comments that other users were no longer able to see:

    [Screenshot #20:]

    He then produced a screenshot on a different configuration which prevented GroklXX from

    identifying him as the original commenter.

    That screenshot shows that no more postings appeared below "You're misreading"

    (highlighted in the next screenshot), so the entire "How can you get a violation parsing it that

    way?" subthread had disappeared for other visitors:

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    [Screenshot #21:]

    Since the above screenshot does not show the next thread title, I produced today a screenshot of thecurrent state of that thread. I visited this link, and indeed, the "How can you get a violation

    parsing it that way?" subthread was not displayed:

    [Screenshot #22:]

    There is no justification for the deletion of that entire subthread. It does not make sense that the

    avatar named "PJ" only issued a warning to the commenter and then deleted the relevant comment,

    the warning, and other users' replies altogether.

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    http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100408153953613&title=You%27re%20talking%20about%20the%20wrong%20license.&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=0#c843486http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100408153953613&title=You%27re%20talking%20about%20the%20wrong%20license.&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=0#c843486
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    A possible explanation is that Jay Maynard's comment on that subthread -- the content of which is

    not known to me -- might have created a situation in which the avatar named "PJ" considered that

    part of the discussion embarrassing for GroklXX because of competent, credible people (Jay

    Maynard is the volunteer maintainer of the Hercules open source project) contradicting her

    propaganda efforts.

    Whether or not that was the reason, it is an unreasonable policy to delete comments that do notviolate any reasonable terms of use by any stretch of the imagination.

    Even if there may be technical reasons for which all answers to a deleted/hidden comment are

    deleted automatically, the moderators can choose at which point the cut off a part of the discussion

    tree. In this case, they determined to hide/delete the entire subthread. If Jay Maynard's posting had

    been objectionable (which is doubtful anyway), it would have been possible and sufficient to

    hide/delete only that one.

    Concerning GroklXX's hiding comments to all but the original commenter, such a moderation

    mechanism is unfair. It is, in fact, highly insidious and intransparent:

    Users should know when their comments are deleted. They should also know -- when they put time

    and effort into new posts -- whether their posts will be visible to the general or not.

    GroklXX's hideous hiding of such comments (including future comments of a banned user) results

    in people wasting time and energy. The only purpose that mechanism serves is to reduce the

    probability of users complaining on GroklXX about censorship.

    No other discussion forum that I know operates as unfairly and unreasonably as GroklXX.

    GroklXX's criteria for hiding/deletion are inconsistent. I have seen unfounded conspiracy theories

    about myself and ad hominem attacks on GroklXX and those were apparently not deleted. The site

    is not just an opinionated blog; it systematically smears companies and individuals. If it applied a

    consistent censorship standard to all of its content, very significant parts of the site would have to

    be hidden or deleted. GroklXX, however, hides/deletes primarily the postings of those whose

    independent opinions and competent but critical contributions run counter to the site's propaganda

    mission.

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    3 Previously published complaints over GroklXX's censorship

    Criticism of GroklXX's non-open, highly oppressive censorship regime is not new. The incidents

    documented in the previous sections appear to be merely a continuation of a long-standing editorial

    and moderation policy that is characterized by silencing dissenters and fabricating consensus for

    propaganda purposes.

    Users have made me aware of the frustration vented by disappointed GroklXX users on the web

    over the years. The examples discussed in the following were published in the years 2005, 2006,

    2007, and 2010.

    The criticism published by those users shows that GroklXX's approach is very unusual by Internet

    standards and especially by open source standards.

    3.1 2005, linux-blog.org

    3.1.1 26 January 2005: "Groklaw and Censorship?"

    Link: http://linux-blog.org/Groklaw-and-Censorship/

    "I recently read a webpage that chronicles the traded messages of a person that posted comments

    on Groklaw.net and who believes that they were censored from public view."

    "As Mr. Petrofsky found, his posts were made only viewable to himself and erased from public

    view as opposed to outright deletion. It also seems that Mr. Petrofsky wasnt the only one that

    reported this phenomenon either."

    "Is this a case of deception versus rejection? Would an outright rejection or deletion of the comment

    be a better way to go? It seems that this would be a valid avenue to go even if you were unsure

    about the content of the comment. If you delete the comment in question, then inform the

    submitting party that their comment was deleted for X reason, the person could provide validity,

    reasons, license, and sources for their comment(s)."

    "Would a self-moderated comment style of submission OR outright deletion of the comments in

    question be a better avenue instead of deception? It is my opinion that it would. Mr. Petrofsky

    shares this opinion, [...] 'I have no problem with a newspaper editor or blog writer accepting

    submissions from letter writers or web visitors and choosing to publish some and discard others ...

    However, groklaw has attempted to prevent that last part [rejecting submissions/content] from

    happening by deceiving the one person who would normally notice a stupid post-rejection decisionand might tell other people about it.'"

    "Besides Al Petrofsky, there are at least 2 other verified groklaw members who have experienced

    the same post is invisible to all but me phenomenon (note: Geeklog also has a setting for this in

    its latest version) I have also contacted a group of about 5 others that have first hand knowledge and

    experience with both Mr. Petrofskys situation as well as others in which these cases apply. The

    question that begs to be asked is, what is going on at groklaw?"

    3.1.2 22 March 2005: "Disagreements + Groklaw = Deletion?"

    Link: http://linux-blog.org/Disagreements-+-Groklaw-Deletion/

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    http://linux-blog.org/Groklaw-and-Censorship/http://groklaw.net/http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=1600684464&tid=cald&sid=1600684464&mid=182288&thr=182288&dir=dhttp://linux-blog.org/Disagreements-+-Groklaw-Deletion/http://linux-blog.org/Disagreements-+-Groklaw-Deletion/http://linux-blog.org/Groklaw-and-Censorship/http://groklaw.net/http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=1600684464&tid=cald&sid=1600684464&mid=182288&thr=182288&dir=dhttp://linux-blog.org/Disagreements-+-Groklaw-Deletion/
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    "Of the points discussed, no one could argue that Mr. Petrofsky was unreasonable at any time, nor

    could one argue that he was at all unprofessional in his requests and his behavior. By examining the

    evidence presented in that article, one can infer that he was indeed deceived. Today, well look into

    more possible examples of deception and censorship from the site where open source principles

    are applied. Well be chatting with an ex-moderator from Groklaw named Brenda Banks aka br3n

    who was removed as a moderator after expressing her opinion about certain matters at groklaw.After having her moderator status stripped from her, she then asked to be removed from the userlist

    based on her own moral compass."

    "br3n: My first alarms/questions arose when the announcement came out that PJ was working at

    OSRM, then came the 283 patent infringement possibilities announced around the same time. Then

    when jgabriel [another Groklaw user] had his account deleted there was no way to ignore things

    anymore. This was when I tested PJ by email asking about his deletion and posting mild criticism of

    her on yahoo [The Yahoo SCO finance boards]. She never answered the email about him and she

    then removed moderation powers from me without correspondance. I felt that was the answer I

    would have to accept and that she would keep ignoring what she doesnt want to answer. Deleting

    his [jgabriel's] account and making all his posts anon, was just the most terrible/disrespectful thing Ithought I had ever heard of."

    "john gabriel = was a more familiar name to me. I was watching closely when he was deleted. He

    had nothing on groklaw [in form of content] that would provide a reason for deletion. I was

    watching that closely. He had posted criticism on the yahoo SCOX board and I believe this is why

    he was deleted."

    "al_petrofsky = Was deleted due to the posting of the url to a tape of a hearing in court regarding

    SCO. He had written permission from the court to make it publically available and was deleted

    from groklaw without warning. Al Petrofsky [being censored/deleted/deceived] was not for good

    reason in my opinion. He had permission from the court for the recording and he believed he was in

    the right. I also think he was in the right."

    "Some of you may sayok, so they got their account deleted. Big deal right? Register a new screen

    name or new nick! Im sure that this thought has crossed the mind of many of these ex-members of

    groklaw. You may also sayjust get on with your life and forget about it! But what is one really

    saying when they get on with their life? Theyre saying that what happened really didnt matter.

    Censorship coming from an open source supportive sitejust doesnt matter. I for one, being a

    strong supporter of both open source and the GPL, would not let this one lay down if it had

    happened to me. Hence, you have the groklaw category in this blog."

    "Scott McKellar says: [...] I exiled myself shortly after she kicked John Gabriel out, because I was

    disgusted at her arbitrary and high-handed tactics, and at the echo chamber of censorship and

    groupthink that Groklaw had become. If I had not exiled myself, I would likely have been exiled

    involuntarily later, because I was not willing to subjugate myself to PJs opinions. I had already

    found myself accused of being a troll for not slavishly following the party line."

    "Peter McDermott says: [...] Br3n suffered a personality assassination that was a thousand times

    worse than anything that Maureen OGara ever said about PJ. One word from PJ could have

    silenced the red dress fanboy brigade in an instant. Her failure to call her dogs to heel says more

    about the woman and her ethics than anything that I can say here."

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    "MCW says: After recently reading more postings on Groklaw, I posted a comment critical of the

    personal paranoia Jones displayed over personal attacks likening her paranoid comments to those

    of Hugo Chavez when talking about US assassination plots against him. This post was deleted, so

    were 10 other posts that followed mine. Some were supportive of my position, others were neutral,

    and a few were from the PJ vangaurd. Any follow-up posts I made asking where the original posts

    were and why they were deleted were also removed. Im used to be a believer in Groklaw, but now

    Im a total skeptic."

    "Dennis Towne says: Since that time I have occasionally posted test edges of the moderation, and

    the results are pretty disturbing: even incidental mention of the deletion policy or deleted accounts

    has resulted in sandboxing. I think the scale of the deletion policy is vastly underestimated; it is,

    quite frankly, draconian.

    I still occasionally check Groklaw for updates and information now, but when discussing it with

    anyone else, I make it clear that the site does not allow balanced debate and is extremely heavily

    censored.

    In a lot of ways, this reminds me of Vernor Vinge's "A fire upon the deep". The Blight character in

    that book uses misinformation, censorship, and network control in a similar way, though with

    perhaps more malicious intent."

    3.2 2006, Yahoo! Finance message board for SCO Group Inc.

    Link: http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_(A_to_Z)/Stocks_S/threadview?

    m=tm&bn=2942&tid=383807&mid=383807&tof=10&so=E&rt=2&frt=2&off=1&p=mq611k_AWr

    bLlqArvKx.K_r6c55v2m5DOHmUgyxq6.J5PYFCet.LUhM-

    "AllParadox on Groklaw

    To those of us that are still friends of Groklaw, and still support it: if you post on Groklaw, please do

    not use my handle, 'AllParadox', and do not link to my earlier posts.

    Sadly, now, apparently, anyone who refers to "AllParadox" risks having their post deleted. If past

    complaints by former Groklaw regulars are any guide, anyone who naively trys to re-post a deleted

    post, or innocently inquires of PJ about the problem, also risks having their Groklaw account

    deleted.

    [...]

    To pre-empt the inevitable flames: I have been a major contributor to Groklaw for years. I have

    aggressively defended PJ and Groklaw, and have defended them against charges of censorship.

    This creates a number of problems for me. For one thing, it appears that my defense of Groklaw

    against charges of censorship were wrong. I have been wrong before. I will get over it.

    Many have relied upon my integrity, when I have defended Groklaw against charges of censorhip.

    To those folks, I must apologize. I did not inquire more deeply when I should have, and I have letyou down. Please forgive me.

    [...]

    To be disingenuous is one thing. To allow your friends to embarrass themselves when supporting

    you, by not correcting statements you know not to be true, displays a shocking lack of integrity.

    My feelings about Groklaw have now changed, and not for the better.

    In spite of it all, I remain a supporter and friend of Groklaw. Moreover, these are only my

    perceptions. I am not the Almighty, and do not know all things. I may very well be completely

    wrong.

    I still ask you to support and befriend Groklaw.

    However, and again: please do not use my handle or link to my posts when you post on Groklaw.

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    3.3 2007, blogbeebe.blogspot.com

    Link: http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2007/09/groklaw-continues-its-bad-old-ways.html

    "Groklaw continues its bad old ways

    I'm no friend of Pamela Jones, owner and proprietress of Groklaw. I've never posted on Groklaw

    and never will, preferring to watch at the edges, primarily there to dig out the facts of the variousSCO cases. Most of the time I've had no issues, but from time to time over the years I've stumbled

    upon the odd post and thread that, for whatever reason, would disappear over time, expunged by

    She Who Must Be Obeyed."

    3.4 2010, ibmvshercules.com (Jay Maynard)

    Link: http://ibmvshercules.com/2010/04/15/booted-from-groklaw/

    Jay Maynard is the volunteer maintainer of the Hercules open source project and previously

    mentioned herein (Section 2.1).

    The information he contributed to the GroklXX discussion of IBM's patent threats against

    TurboHercules was unwanted only because he was able to speak from a position of being

    independent from the TurboHercules company and defending the open source project about which

    GroklXX would, if it were truly an open source community effort, care more than about IBM.

    Jay Maynard wrote on his blog:

    "Booted from Groklaw

    Well, what I expected has happened: Groklaws PJ has had enough of my disagreeing with her and

    objecting to having most of my words ignored and the few remaining ones twisted, and has revoked

    my Groklaw account:

    [...]

    The writing was on the wall when she picked one statement out of my long post, replied to it with a

    vicious attack on my credentials as an open source community member, and ignored all the rest of

    what I wrote. I can now only assume she did so because she found the facts inconvenient."

    She is of course entirely within her rights to kick me out. Nevertheless, I think that she did so, after

    doing to me what she has, speaks far more to her true integrity and support for the community

    especially those parts of it that dare to disagree with her in even the slightest detail than it does to

    mine. In one comment, early on, the poster expressed pleasure that I had come to engage them,

    unlike SCO, which refused to do so despite repeated requests. I now understand why they didnt,

    and cannot recommend in good conscience that anyone else who Groklaw decides is a mean, nasty,Microsoft-backed enemy of open source whether the accusation is true or not go there and try to

    set the record straight."

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    4 Protection of sources and concluding remarks

    To the extent that I have personally witnessed GroklXX's totalitarian censorship regime, I have

    stated so in this document.

    I have additionally relied upon information provided to me by GroklXX users by email. I have

    made a good-faith effort to check those third-party reports for plausibility. Since those reports aregenerally credible and absolutely consistent with what I witnessed personally, I determined that it

    was appropriate to publish the material.

    I will, however, strictly honor my promise to protect those sources. Therefore, I ask you for your

    understanding that I cannot and will not answer questions concerning their identity.

    There would be much more to say about GroklXX's propaganda efforts. On such important issues as

    the Oracle/Sun merger control process, IBM's patent threats against TurboHercules, Oracle's patent

    litigation against Google and defensive patent strategies and questionable vehicles such as the Open

    Invention Network, I could publish a long list of gross inaccuracies and distortions propagated by

    GroklXX, as well as some outright lies (including some that were designed to smear me).

    Another issue is the identify of the editor(s). While everyone is entitled to a certain degree of

    privacy, there must be a reasonable balance between privacy and public exposure. Someone cannot

    run for Congress without presenting himself or herself to the electorate. I believe someone cannot

    participate in political debates at a certain level as a "dark horse" and then make up conspiracy

    theories involving other, far more transparent participants in such debates. A recent incident showed

    that the person(s) behind the avatar named "PJ" will apparently never even be photographed.

    But I am not on a crusade, let alone a witch hunt. I believe GroklXX will likely be remembered as a

    "one-hit wonder" that rose to fame only with its coverage of the SCO case. GroklXX's articles and

    what the site presents as a community opinion should be viewed very skeptically, and I have the

    impression that skepticism is growing. Discussions on the site become incestuous. I believe there

    are good reasons to be skeptical, and this document states and proves some of them.

    Unfortunately, attempts in recent years to have reasonable discussions with the editor(s) behind the

    avatar named "PJ" have been completely unfruitful. Those attempts even elicited nastygrams. In one

    case, the avatar named "PJ" tried to pressure me into retracting a truthful representation of an open

    source company's lobbying in the European Parliament.

    Therefore, I reached a point at which I had to conclude that GroklXX is, despite the good it may

    have done for open source earlier on, a propaganda scheme that should be exposed for what it is.There are many other community sites where reasonable debates take place and are moderated

    transparently, and most of the mainstream IT media now also provide discussion boards.

    Finally, I would like to mention that (in no small part due to smear by GroklXX users) I had to

    make the decision more than six months ago to deactivate the commenting feature on my own blog.

    It became too time-consuming to keep track of it. The blogger/blogspot platform offers a variety of

    intriguinig features, but disabling comments for new postings automatically resulted in the

    deactivation (but not deletion) of previously posted comments. Should I activate comments again,

    all old comments will be fully restored. I do, however, participate in discussions on many other

    websites as well as real-life events. I also respond to most Twitter messages (@FOSSpatents).

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