07-11-10 email from doug guetzloe to ron paul mailing list

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Cheryl

From: [email protected]: 07/11/2010 1:26 PMTo: [email protected]: Fwd: [ronpaul-184] BREAKING NEWS: Two more 'tea party' plaintiffs drop Feder...

Just FYI.

Becki:

I think we've covered everything but just to make certain you understand inunmistakable English:1) Mr. Hoyt and Mr. Lee are not men of integrity or honor if they stoop so low tolie, misrepresent facts and distort the truth. I've been a target for years but forthem to attack an individual like Peg Dunmire with her having done nothing todeserve it - is not honorable and not an action of integrity. Mr. Hoyt, according toassociates of his, have misused Orlando Tea Party funds and that's a serious

matter. A full audit of those funds is required and the call for that accounting willbecome a major issue for other unaffiliated tea parties in the days ahead.You can't call for political transparency without providing full transparency withyour own group. Florida TEA party has it - Mr. Hoyt is refusing to release theinformation - duplicitous - not 'honorable.'2) Apparently you do need to hear about accomplishments because you areapparently unaware of the role I have played in this community and statewide inpromoting freedom and liberty and leading the anti-tax movement statewide forthirty years... all 'tea party' type activities which you profess to be concerned about. 3) I have never slandered Mr. Hoyt. If you have any actual evidence of this

baseless allegation - produce it or drop it.4) I don't know who "Deborah W." is so I can't comment on that.5) You don't own the right to tea party name and you don't determine who isinvolved in the tea party or not. The TEA party consists of movement leaders andour candidates are tea party movement people. The TEA party is the ONLY entityin Florida legally authorized as the TEA party. No one elected you 'queen' of thetea party movement and no one elected Jason Hoyt as 'king.' He's one ofthousands and so are you. I was also on the very first conference call back inFebruary of 09 with Tom Gaitens - so what?6) Finally, and this probably tells everyone more about you than me, in my last

email I did not say that "I liked Grayson" and you know it. What I said was (fromthe last email: " N o s p li t t in g t h e v o t e - j u s t e n s u r i n g a c o n s e r v a t i v ec h o ic e i n N o v e m b e r a g a i n s t Gr a y s o n ( w h o m a lo t o f f o lk s o n t h i s

g r o u p a s w e ll a s D r . P a u l h a v e v e r y li t t le d is p u t e w i t h ) D r . P a u l

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t h u n d e r o u s a p p l a u s e - c h o s e y o u r a u d i en c e m o r e ca r e f u lly n e x t t i m e

y o u d o a p e r s o n a l a t t a c k t i r a d e ." Exactly where do you get "I like Grayson" from this statement?


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This comment is truthful and accurate one. This is a Ron Paul meetup group andI'm an assistant administrator of it - know your audience.

I realize that you're obviously a newbie to politics and public policy discussions andthat's fine. In the future, be very careful of what you decide to repeat without doingsome actual research. Many of the people you associate with have their ownagenda's and base their comments on past political battles. Hoyt and Lee are two

of those that prop up the current Orange County Republican RINO chair LewOliver - one that everyone on this list and in our conservative movement haveopposed for years.

If Hoyt and Lee are willing to retract their lies and innuendo about Peg Dunmire,me, Nick, Fred O'Neal and the Florida TEA party then I'll be more than happy todrop it and move on - but I will not allow anyone to lie about me or question myintegrity or my history of involvement in conservative causes - you don't have tolike it - just don't lie about it.

Correcting the record and speaking the truth is a 'grown-up' thing to do, not achildish thing to do. The childish thing to do is to make false statements aboutsomeone and pretend that it's 'free speech.' The First Amendment, which I wasprepared to go to jail to protect, does not support slander or libel - only the truth.

Doug

Doug Gue t z l oe Chairman

Ax the Taxwww.AxTheTax.org"Over $32.5 Billion inproposed taxes defeated"P. O. Box 531101Orlando, FL 32853Phone: (407) 312-1781Fax: (407) [email protected] a message dated 7/11/2010 10:31:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

[email protected] writes:Last Reply to you, Doug Guetzloe:

Why can't you just admit that what you did to Peter Lee was VERY wrong and apologize for it?It is one of the MAIN reasons I decided to speak up on this blog that comes into my email everymorning.I don't need to hear about all your accomplishments.Speak to the issue in question, period.(If I cared I could look them up.)Once again, here are the reasons I decided to speak up:


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1) I will defend the honor of people I know to be TRUE PATRIOTS to the bitter end:

a)Peter Lee is a gentleman and a TRUE PATRIOT, in every sense of the word, andyou owehim an apology.

b)Jason Hoyt is a man of integrity and a TRUE PATRIOT and you slander his nameconstantly.(People see thru what you do & why)

c) Other people who've been on the receiving end of your insults, including Deborah W. , now me, &more. Grow up, Doug. Don't stoop so low.

2)The Florida Tea Party has little to do with the real movement, and everyone knows it butapparently a few in your "group."

3)It's good to see you admit that you like Grayson. The rest of us want to see him replaced, butthat certainly does explain alot.

I hope you think about what I've said, and then spend time in the presence of some of the people youlove; I hope they love you in return.

Becki Weaver

----- Original Message -----From:DOUG GUETZLOETo:[email protected]: Saturday, July 10, 2010 11:38 PMSubject: Re: [ronpaul-184] BREAKING NEWS: Two more 'tea party' plaintiffs drop Federal...

Actually it appears you are fairly well alone with this group.I've fought hard for Ron Paul supporters to be included in the Republicanparty - even spending several thousand dollars of my own money onprecinct election postcards. Many of the people on this group have stronglysupported our Ax the Tax battles over the years. It's through this meetupthat I meet Nick Egoroff and used my radio show to fight and beat back codeenforcement so that Nick and the other Ron Paul supporters could continueto put Ron Paul signs up all over the central Florida.Fred's a Patriot; so is Nick; so is Glenn and so many more.

Mr. Hoyt and Mr. Lee have no honor if they continue to lie about me, Nick,Fred O'Neal, Peg Dunmire and all the other tea party candidates. PegDunmire is a member of dozen's of tea party groups; has marched on

Washington, is a member of Campaign for Liberty and a precinct captain atthat. Mr. Hoyt and Mr. Lee have attacked this courageous woman viciouslyand personally and they and their tactics disgust me and a multitude ofothers. It is not "honorable or decent" to viciously attack a woman who hasdone no wrong and is simply participating in the political process. Severalpeople have sent me messages saying that you are supporting Falconer.How would you like it if fellow conservatives - the very ones he must dependon to achieve more than 3% of th vote - started attacking him withoutfoundation? If you are working for his campaign, you have done him a


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tremendous disservice by engaging in character assassination with me andothers.

- I have not "slandered" Jason Hoyt at all. Quite the reverse. I have askedfor a full accounting of his use of funds in the Orlando Tea Party accounts.That's not slander - that's total transparency and auditing. He's collectedthousands and according those WITH HIM, the money has been spent on

personal expenditures. If it's not true, he needs to release a full audit of hisrevenues and expenses.- "Countless news accounts." Worthless and untrue news accounts. That's

why were are suing the Orlando Sentinel and Local 6 and winning thosecases. Libel and slander - printing and broadcasting untrue statementsrepeatedly. Tony Pipitone, who admits to a "sick fascination" with me indepositions; is a very sick puppy. One who has literally stolen personalpapers; medical records and 88 boxes of material. He's about to get slappedhard with a final judgment in our lawsuit.- I know of no "former business partners" at odds with me. If you have

names, name them, if not, don't spread unproven allegations.- No candidate has been offered any money to "run" as a candidate. TEAparty has offered to reimburse candidates their filing fee which is standardoperating procedure. Every TEA candidate paid their own filing fees - everyone.- There is no "divide the vote." The winner of the GOP primary will be aRINO and the only issue will be if they withdraw or not to split the Dunmire

vote. Dunmire is running ahead of ALL GOP candidates in half a dozenpolls. No splitting the vote - just ensuring a conservative choice inNovember against Grayson (whom a lot of folks on this group as well as Dr.

Paul have very little dispute with) Dr. Paul introduced him several timeslast year at the Liberty Summit to thunderous applause - chose youraudience more carefully next time you do a personal attack tirade.- Finally, I have plenty of "friends" both within the tea party movement andin the much larger movements of Ax the Tax (over 20,000 opt-in email listof supporters) Florida Taxpayer Union (over 140,000 opt-in email list ofsupporters) Guetzloe Report (over 10,000 opt-in email list of supporters):Facebook (over 2,600 friends plus 350 ax the tax plus 360 Guetzloe Reportand 1,600+ at the TEA party site; and among the conservatives voting inCentral Florida who have supported my causes and anti-tax leadership over

14 times by a vote of the people.- The TEA Party is certainly no "farce." With 21 unopposed nomineesstatewide; a statewide candidate for Ag Commissioner against the RINOGOP nominee who supported the Obama-stimulus packages and bailouts;over 10,000 supporters (opt-in); nearly $250,000 in contributions to datefrom over 300 individual contributors; media coverage from every majornetwork and media source in America - that's not a "farce" - it's amovement. Sorry you don't agree but that's the beauty of America - we candisagree on strategy and tactics and sill move forward.


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We've had an interesting discussion, but unless you can actually prove anyof your assertions (with facts - not drive-by media lies) you need toconcentrate your apparent boundless energy to attack into more productivepolitical action.

Doug Guetzloe

In a message dated 7/10/2010 6:48:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,[email protected] writes:

Wow, you found a fan! Fred Badalli loves you. Congratulations.

You really can't remember hurling insults around the room toward Peter Lee and Deborah, and others,and then spreading lies on this page about Jason Hoyt? I didn't start this, but I will defend the honor ofpeople like Peter Lee and Jason Hoyt and others that I know when you attack them personally.

Let me refresh your memory, and let others know of the incident:You offered to shake a double amputee's hand, for God's sake.

(Tell me how you used your christian faith in that incident?)Then you called 2 patriots "bimbos."You slander Jason Hoyt to anyone who will listen.Countless news programs expose your actions over the years.Former business partners are at odds with you.You offer to pay candidates to run on your ticket, to divide the vote, period.You think people are too dumbed down to see it.Then you expect to win friends and influence people within the real movement?Well, you've got Fred Badalli's support!Go Fred!

To all you who think this is "in-fighting," get a clue:The Florida Tea Party is a farce, period.

Becki Weaver

----- Original Message -----From: Fred BadalliTo: [email protected]: Saturday, July 10, 2010 5:28 PMSubject: RE: [ronpaul-184] BREAKING NEWS: Two more 'tea party' plaintiffs drop Federal...

Go Doug!

From: [email protected]: Re: [ronpaul-184] BREAKING NEWS: Two more 'tea party'plaintiffs drop Federal...To: [email protected]: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:23:40 -0400


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Becky:

You're the one who launched the vicious personal attacks - not me.Mr. Lee and Mr. Hoyt have both hurled some of the same untrue accusationthat you have. Mr. Lee and Mr. Hoyt have both engaged in characterassassination and misrepresentations and actual lies. They should not becommended for misrepresentations and lies. No person of integrity would

denigrate someone else in a vicious personal attack. No person of characterwould initiate and spread rumors and statements that they know for a factare not true. If these actions are the measure of true gentlemen, then we

just have to agree to disagree on those definitions.

Also, Jason, while admitting to using Orlando Tea Party funds for his ownpersonal expenses, continues to spread undocumented rumors aboutimproper funding of the TEA Party. The TEA Party contributions andexpenditures are public record and completely transparency.

Another interesting statement that is continually made is that "no one withthe TEA Party has ever been to a tea party or has been involved in the teaparty movement." I curious just who determined that? Nick Egoroff has

been to every tea party since the first one in March 09 at Lake Eola. I'vebeen to 7 of them. Nick and I are co-chair of the Central Florida Tea Party(Facebook) and have been for nearly a year. On my radio show, I promotedevery tea party in Central Florida including the ones that Hoyt hassponsored. I was the guest speaker at the Tallahassee Tea Party rally onDecember 7, 2009. I'm a member of a dozen or more tea party groups,including Tea Party Patriots and Tea Party Nation and another dozen or so

in Florida. If that's not enough to be a 'tea party person,' then no onequalifies (although this is not an important aspect of my politicalinvolvement - I have been supportive and involved.)

I would strongly disagree that my "words and actions are despicable." I aman advocate for what I believe in, which has been well established and welldocumented in the public policy realm.

When "I walk into a room" I am usually met with universal "hi's," "hello's""keep up the fight" and the like. I can not go anywhere in this community or

Tallahassee without being recognized and congratulated for spreading theconservative word. I have never - that's never - had a bad word spoken tome when I have been in public.

I "walked into a room" today with 30 tea party patriots that were very happyto see me. We apparently don't travel in the same circles.

It is a conundrum for you to launch a vicious personal attack and tiradeagainst me (unprovoked) and then talk about my "Christianity." My


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Christian beliefs are well established - both in and out of my church - FirstPresbyterian Church of Downtown Orlando - where I have been a memberfor nearly twenty years. I've been a Christ School 'mentor' and an activemember of my Sunday School class for twenty years.

The hardest thing I have a problem with being a Christian, is to turn theother check. I fail at that on many occasions. As I've said, I'm not perfect

and I've many mistakes as well as being too outspoken, but I will continue tofight for what's right and what's true with honor and integrity.

In a message dated 7/10/2010 4:29:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,[email protected] writes:

Doug,

If you truly are a descendent of a founding father, you should act more like one. I'd peg youcloser to a descendent of Atilla the Hun or Napolean.

I'm not going to sit back in silence and watch you slinging mud at my friends, Peter Lee,Jason Hoyt (& others) any more. Peter and Jason are men of integrity and character. Theybring class and dignity to our movement, and people are happy to see them walk into anymeeting / room.

Now think about that. What happens most of the time when you walk into a room? Your wordsand actions are despicable, and leave most people simply disgusted. Try this: See if you canactually get people to smile and honestly be happy to see you when you attend a meeting.

Now, THAT would be a miracle. I also can't see any evidence of christianity in yourlife.....altho you claim to be one, it appears (since we are called to be SALT & LIGHT in theworld, or have you forgotten?)

Becki Weaver

----- Original Message -----From:DOUG GUETZLOETo:[email protected]: Saturday, July 10, 2010 3:46 PMSubject: Re: [ronpaul-184] BREAKING NEWS: Two more 'tea party' plaintiffs drop Federal...

Kevin:My rhetoric and statements do not involve personal attacks; innuendo and lies. You defendthe one who viciously uses lies, character assasination and vicious personal attacks and thenyou join her in the mud.If you have any proof of anything that you or she has said - present it.If you were attacked my a small minority of small minded individuals who apparently have norecord of actually making a difference in the community with unproven lies about your integrityand character, I doubt you would take very kindly to it.While it's irritating to have this handful of malcontents wasting their time, I'm fortunate to havetens of thousands of anti-tax supporters and citizens thoughout Florida and the nation thatknow that these lies are not true, but it's still very hurtful.


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I know that the actions I take as a patriot to support liberty and freedom are beneficial andsupported by the overwhelming majority of this group and others (tea party, anti-tax, 912).that believe in the fight to restore the Republic.I've made plenty of mistakes in my life, but fighting for the causes of less government, lesstaxes and greater personal freedom is not one of them.I've been a target from other folks envious of the success I've had in spreading the word. Ourvictories have not been my personal victories - they are the victories of the people.As one who is fortunate to have the blood of an original Founding Father coursing through myveins, these battles were important long before any of these local self-appointed 'tea party'folks decided to get involved.But overall, it's good to have new blood in the fight, it's too bad they don't spend their timefighting the real enemy - socialistic democrat encroachment on the foundations of theRepublic.And anyone who believes the liberal/socialist drive by media and uses unverified,unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo as fact, is deceiving themselves.Doug Guetzloewww.AxTheTax.orgwww.Guetzloe.com

-----Original Message-----From: Kevin To: [email protected]: Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:32 amSubject: Re: [ronpaul-184] BREAKING NEWS: Two more 'tea party' plaintiffs drop Federal...

Doug ,

Unfortunately It's this type of rhetoric that shows you have no heart for the people. I can onlyjudge you by your words and actions.

Your treatment of this lady in word is reprehensible. Apparently she is angered at a lot of whatshe is bringing up. It seems you've angered a lot of people in Florida.

I'm a newcomer to Florida who's hailed from Virginia, where, historically we've run tyrants andcrooks out of this nation. I'd do my ancestors shame if I didn't call do the same in my localcommunity.

Are you a tyrant? You dont have the power to be one now.A crook? Perhaps, it does seemthat many I talk to keep bringing up examples.

The point I'm making is that your character comes out in these emails where you only attackthe opposition.

I would be a potential voter, as Becky here. Why give such biting rhetoric? Why only speak ofpast victory and try and prove out your past winnings at the ballot?

If you are, as one of your sites has claimed, a Christian, why not try the servant-leaderprincipal. I'm sorry, but what I've seen and heard from you has not been of a servants heartfor his people.

Before you think, as you may already have, I'm someone trying to attack your TEA party llc forthe sake of another political faction; I see the corruption in others that are in the tea partymovement and will speak out with my God-given voice, rights and free will against any badweeds I see growing in the new gardens of the reawakening of this Republic.

Ultimately, it's my duty, and every Americans duty.


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We the people are watching.

-Kevin Conner

On Jul 10, 2010, at 8:58 AM, becki weaver wrote:

You are the last one to explain to anyone what the TEA PARTY is. Everyonewith half a brain knows that the REAL tea party has NOTHING to do with yourSHAM organization. Tell me, Mr. Gets-Low-as-you-can-go: How does it feel,to gain a fortune, and lose your soul?

The rest of your lame comments show how very little you know about me....orany of us in the REAL tea party, for that matter.

You're a mean-spirited, negative thug, who would sell your own mother downthe river for 20 pieces of silver. Your business style is exactly like a STREETTHUG, and everyone has seen exposes of the way you "do business,"CHICAGO-STYLE. (Maybe that's why you have such an affinityfor Grayson/Obama!)

Who hasn't seen the exposes in the media/internet showing how you extorted

$475K from the cities of Winter Park & Winter Garden, $107K from OOCEA,$200K from the MAGIC (twice)....and how many more that were neveruncovered?

But it is your horrid treatment of true patriots like Peter Lee and others thatdisgusts me and others.

It will be a CDIH when I sit down at the same table with you, or join any groupin which you're a member.

Everyone with half a brain knows that the REAL tea party has NOTHING todo with your sham org, even the doc. filmaker kid from CA. who "interviewed"Peg D.

By the way, get a dictionary. "On the front" means being active in the realmovement for FREEDOM, forming relationships with other defenders offreedom, and creating a united front, to peacefully take back our gov't.

It's probably best that you stay in your new bldg, which is FAR FROM being"on the front," dreaming that you're the emperor.

Have a wonderful day!

Becki Weaver

----- Original Message -----

From:DOUG GUETZLOETo:[email protected]: Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:24 AMSubject: Re: [ronpaul-184] BREAKING NEWS: Two more 'tea party' plaintiffsdrop Federal...

I'm not sure what the color of the sun is in your world butin the real world, the official TEA party has 21 Patriots

who are running for office this year, all tea party patriotsand mostly former Republicans.


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The "plant" was an individual invited to attend - as was I.We would love to have a debate, discussion, meeting -whatever to discuss your concerns but none of you havethe guts to confront any of us because you know that yourpositions are built of straw.In the real world, our ax the tax victories are withoutprecedent and enjoy a tremendous amount of support

from actual voters, not the tin-foil hat types that sitaround a room badmouthing people.I have no idea who you are, (you're certainly not aPatriot) but perhaps you should use some of your

boundless negative energy to actually go out and helpelect a candidate of your choice; or try to beat back a taxincrease; or go pluck oil from a seagull - somethingpositive - rather than create negativity.The TEA party is here to stay - over 10,000 tea partypatriots have signed up with the party - the candidates

are of the highest caliber and the cause continues.As your little movement dies; think about doingsomething worthwhile.I have survived the attacks of the liberal media and theirfellow travelers for the past 30 years and quite frankly theattacks of you and your ilk are pretty lame compared tothe media character assassination that comes prior to any

Ax the Tax battle; and guess what - we always win in spiteof the nonsense.Hope to see you on the front.

Doug

Doug Gue t z l oe Chairman

Ax the Taxwww.AxTheTax.org"Over $32.5 Billion inproposed taxes defeated"P. O. Box 531101

Orlando, FL 32853Phone: (407) 312-1781Fax: (407) [email protected]

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Peg DunmireTHE First TEA Party Candidate in the Nation!Candidate US Congress, Florida District 8407 856 8064www.dunmireforcongress.comContributions welcome: send toDunmire for CongressPMB 2013956 Town Center Blvd.Orlando, Fl 32837

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