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Deleuze and Negri: Pervert and Subvert: Multitudes Interview with

Franois Zourabichvili, une !""!#

$ranslation Diar%uid &ester, une !"'"#

(vailable at htt):**%ultitudes#sa%izdat#net*+es deu- )ensees de

Deleuze et de

Intro: .es)onding to two /uestions )osed b0 1# Ichida regarding

2iles Deleuze3s conce)tion o4 )olitics and its relation to the notion o4

the %ultitude, Franois Zourabichvili atte%)ts to re4ine Deleuze3s

conce)tion o4 an in voluntarist )olitics b0 distinguishing it 4ro% the

thought o4 $oni Negri: the conce)t o4 the %ultitude, he concludes, is

not Deleuzian5 4urther%ore, the institution in Deleuze6s thought

does not corres)ond to Negri6s constituent# 7here Negri )ro)oses

a total theor0, Deleuze )roceeds b0 a series o4 local s8ir%ishes,

going 4ro% localised struggle to localised struggle5 one )osition o4

instabilit0 to another# $he o))osition between Deleuzian

involuntaris% and Negrian voluntaris% signals a disagree%ent

over the s0ste% o4 actualisation#

Multitudes: '# 7ith regards to the 9)erceived absence o4 ever0

)olitical )ro;ect in Deleuze3s wor8, 0ou have s)o8en, in Deleuze

and the )ossible < Deleuze. Une vie philosophique , ed# =# (lliez,

'>>?@, o4 an involuntaris% that is characteristic o4 his le4tis%

and 0ou have identi4ied a Deleuzian )olitics in his conce)tion o4 the

)ossible as that which is not realised but rather created# Fro% this

)oint o4 view, can the %ultitude as a )olitical sub;ect be

DeleuzianA 7hat relationshi) do 0ou see between the insistence o4

$oni Negri on the sub;ect


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concrete creation o4 the )ossible %ean that )olitics beco%es

se)arate 4ro% )hiloso)h0A

FZ: $he absence o4 a )ro;ect doesn6t indicate a lacuna, but is in 4actthe condition o4 what Deleuze calls believing in the world "E, the +iberation, '> ?@,

inde)endent o4 both a )lan 4or the 4uture which assigns to the% a

certain degree and signi4ication


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the source o4 law and ever0 new econo%ic, social or )olitical

asse%blage, that is to sa0, institutions in general


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regarding the trans4or%ation o4 )olitical cine%a in the second hal4

o4 the !"th centur0, state%ents li8e ban8ers are 8illers and

4actories are )risons, at a certain level %ust be heard literall0, not

as %eta)horical agit )ro) clichCs# Gertainl0, ban8ers are rarel08illers in the )ro)er sense, but on the other hand, i4 we all we have

here is %eta)hor, the s0ste% o4 ban8ing re%ains unscathed and

we are con4ined to %erel0 i%agining certain hu%anitarian

ad;ust%ents# &owever, ever0one %ore or less intuits this literal

understanding, %a0be it6s even an as)ect o4 this 4act o4

%odernit05 what re%ains to be done is to )roduce )hiloso)hical

conditions in it5 to seize it with a discourse that shows its

legiti%ac0 and e-)lores its virtualities# $his is an essential

di%ension o4 Deleuze3s wor8 since Di""erence and #epetition an

essential, but )uzzling di%ension, since %ost )eo)le thin8 that

Deleuze3s discourse is %eta)horical or do not understand how this

can be tenable#

Is the conce)t o4 the %ultitude DeleuzianA I don3t thin8 so# Jut I

don3t thin8 it %atters# For i4 we are in the )resence here o4 two

thoughts instead o4 onl0 one, there is cause 4or delight: we6re ver0

4ortunate# I thin8 that the %a;or di44erence concerns the institution #

For Negri, the institution does not )la0 an0 role: in relation to the

notion o4 constitutent )ower it is )ure e-teriorit0


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integration


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conce)tual 4orce


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the i%%anent 4light


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irredee%abl0 under%ined b0 the constituent sabotage o4 the

%ultitude

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