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Mr. Kenneth J. Dillonc/o Kelly B. McClanahanNational Security Counselors1200 South Courthouse RoadSuite 124Arlington, VA 22204

Dear Mr. Dillon:

U.S. Department of Justice

Federal Bureau of Investigation

Washington, D.C. 20535August26,2013

FOIA: 1170856-001Subject: Full internal FBI report on the arresUdetention ofZacarias Moussaoui and Abderraouf Jdey; report on theirarresUdetention as sent to the intelligence community; andany other records related to the August 16, 2001 detention ofAbderraouf Jdey

The enclosed documents are responsive to the request and have been reviewed under the Freedom ofInformation Act {FOIA), Title 5, U.S.C. 552. Deletions have been made to protect information which is exempt fromdisclosure, with the appropriate exemptions noted on the page next to the excision. In addition, a deleted pageinformation sheet was inserted in the file to indicate where pages were withheld entirely. The exemptions used to withholdinformation are marked below and explained on the enclosed Form OPCA-16a:Section 552 Section 552aIEI(b){1) 0{b){7){A) 0(d){5)

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91 pages were reviewed and 64 pages are being released.lEI Document(s) were located which originated with, or contained information concerning anotherGovernment agency [OGA]. This information has been:

0 referred to the OGA for review and direct response to you.lEI referred to the OGA for consultation and their response has been received and incorporated into thisrelease.

0 In accordance with standard FBI practice, this response neither confirms nor denies theexistence of your subject's name on any watch lists.lEI You have the right to appeal any denials in this release. Appeals should be directed in writing to theDirector, Office of Information Policy, U.S. Department of Justice,1425 New York Ave., NW,Suite 11050, Washington, D.C. 20530-0001. Your appeal must be received by OIP within sixty (60) daysfrom the date of this letter in order to be considered timely. The envelope and the letter should be clearlymarked "Freedom of Information Appeal." Please cite the FOIA Number assigned to yourrequest so that it may be easily identified.


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OThe enclosed material is from the main investigative file(s) in which the subject(s) of your request was thefocus of the investigation.lEI See additional information which follows.

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Pursuant to Title 28, Code of Federal Regulations, Sections 16.11 and 16.49, there is a fee often cents perpage for duplication. However, no fees are assessed for the first 100 pages. The enclosed release totals 64 pages;therefore, the request for a fee waiver does not require adjudication and the enclosed material is being provided at no cost.


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WlReferen:ce: - - ~ 199M-MP-6013o ser ia l 2Paris ALAT SAl lon 08/17/2001 and from MP sAJ b6 per F- - - t r - r - j ~ Mrs conununication references t e lca l s fromto London ALAT on the same date. b7CEnclos1irels Enclosed for a l l reci ients i s a signed swornstatement b regarding his knowledgeof the belie s s scr e subject . Enclosed for b6 per Ib7Cb7 0ti.s a Letterhea.d Memorandum (LHM) as necessary tocomplete the lead se t forth in lead s e c t i o ~ n c l o s e d for Paris b7Eis an unclassified LHM for dissemination toL___Jwith a request forinfo.rmation. Enclosed for London ~ s a - s e e ~ ~ LHM with a requestfor information.Details: )s:i Captioned investigation ini t iated OP 08 /l:;/2001af ter Minneapolis received information frod J mployed b6 per Iby Pan Am International Flight Academy, 2600 Lone Oak Point, Bagan, b7cMinnesota, t e l e p h o n ~ I tha t he and co-workers weret raining a student they considered suspicious .

. " i ~ - - ~ ~ i i ~ c r ! ~ ~ t ~ I ~ f ~ t : ~ ! ' f ~ i ~ ; i ~ ~ ~ t ~ ~ a ~ ~ ~ t ; : : : ; : n f i ~ ~ ~ ~ i t ysimulators to t ra in a i r l ine pi lots from a ll over the world. Trainingconducted there consists exclusively of in i t i a l t raining for newlyhired ai r l ine pi lots , or update/refresher t raining given to activeairl ine pi lots . In both cases, the typical student holds a FederalAviation Administration (FAA) Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) ratingor foreign equivalent, is employed by an air l ine , and has severalthousand fl ight hours.

+ U ~ m m m m m ~ I I ndicated that Zacarias Moussaoui who metnone of the above cr i te r ia , had been in contact with his company'sheadquarters in Miami, Florida and had paid $8,000-$9,000 dollarsin gash for training on the Boeing 747 Model 400 aircraf t simulator.b6 per Ib7C

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I I ndicated that Moussaoui was a foreign national, who claimedthat he grew up in France, although he gave the opinion that Moussaouiappeared to be Middle Eastern. - ~ What se t M o u ~ s a o u i apart from other students in

~ - - - - - - ~ ! e x p e r i e n c e was that he had no aviation background, and to~ ! r . ! l " ' ~ : - = " . . : ~ k n o W l e d g e , nO pilOt IS liCenSe r 1alSO COnSidered itodd th i t Moussaoui indicated that a l l he wxsued to learn was howto take off and land the 747 Model 400, 1i:in: h e reason tha t th iswas an "ego boosting thing". At the time cal led Minneapolis,Moussaoui had already received two days o c assroom training and

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had been scheduled fo r 4-5 upcomingsimulator sessions over the courseof the next few days.(U) ......1 ........................... Followi:a t h J ~ n c ~ l i e a p o l i s , was contacted In order I

to determine M o u s s a o u ~ s exact schedule.! I indicated tha tMoussaoui had received h is ground school ins t ruct ion from a contractins t ructor namedl I who had also indicated t ha t hethought Moussaoui was unusual.as s sequent y nterv ewe regar ng Moussaou .~ ~ ~ s ~ a ~ r ~ e ~ r e d a ir l ine p i l o t with more thari 10,000 f l igh t nours ~ na wide var ie ty of a i rc ra f t . He i s a contract employee of Pan Amwho t ravels to Minneapolis in order to t r a in students . He has beendoing so fo r several years and character ized Moussaoui as unl ikeany other student with whom he has w o ~ k e d .

{U) ................................... ~ At the timel lwas interviewed, Moussaoui hadcompleted the ground school port ion and had done one f l igh t in alow f ide l i ty simulator with him. I I was aware t ha t he had beenscheduled for severa l more sessions l.n the higher- f idel i ty simulatorsin the next few days.Wl ............................. . . . . . . I I escribed Moussaoui as a Middle Eastern male,

age 3 0 - 4 0 ~ 5'9"-5'11" in height with a heavy bui ld and a trimmedbeard. I _ Ji.ndicated tha t he spoke French-accented English andadvised t a t he was very amiable. r- Jnoted t ha t Moussaoui wasextremely re t icent in discussing h is background, but did indicatetha t he had been born in the South of FQu t was now l iv ingin London, England. Moussaoui informed tha t he worked inmarketing and was involved with family and rJ.en s in an import-exportbusiness, although he did not describe the products involved.

{U)m u.............................)&; As an example of th i s re luctance , I trelateda conversat ion they had regarding an avia t ion accident which occurredsome years before on act har tered to f ly Muslims to theHaj in Saudi Arabia. As was re la t ing t;his s tory, he casual lyasked Moussaoui i f he nJ.mse was a Muslim. ! ~ descfihedMoussaoui' s react ion as being one of surprise and caution. Iindica ted tha t when he recovered, Moussaoui informed him tha t hewas not a Muslim.

Wl-- .. )si . , . 1 - - r ~ ~ ~ gave the opinion tha t Moussaoui did appearto have a genuipe i n t e r ; s t in aviat ion, al though h is knowledge i snot extensive. L _observed tha t Moussaoui had been studying

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the Boeing 747-400 manuals with which he had been provided by PanAm and had been able to demonstrate knowledge of some a i rc ra f t systemsalready.(U-) - - ~ - i ~ ~ ~ ; f t - - ~ ~ ! s using f c : ~ ~ P ~ ~ : t ; ~ = ~ n ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ w ; ; ~ ; : , ~ ~ i ~ 0 ~ o ! ~

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with a l l students. He indicated tha t he considered th is block ofinstruction useless as Moussaoui has no background in any type ofsophi'sticated aircraf t systems and to l ~ k n o w l e d g e onlyapproximately so hours of f l ight t raining in l ight c iv i l aircraf tbearing no similari ty to the 747-400. I !advised tha t Moussaouiwas interested in the briefings he received and requested copiesof the Power Point presentations, ~ t wa'Lyold that these part icularpresentations were copyrighted. ! _ . Jdid indicate to Moussaouithat similar materials were avai ie elsewhere. .--- ~ ~ ldid note that there were certain systems onthe 747- ich Moussaoui was part icularly interested.Althoug himself brought the subj.ect up, he indicatedMoussaoui was extremely interested in the aircraf t doors and theiroperation. I l indicated that Moussaoui seemed surprised tolearn that tne door' cannot normally be opened in f l ight becauseof the- pressurization of the cabin of the aircraf t .

'(U)----- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ~ +be other system in which Moussaoui was interestedwas the Mode Control Panel (MCP) . This i s the portion of thea i rc ra f t ' s avionics suite which controls the a i rc ra f t when flyingin an automated mode and what allows the 747-400 Series aircraf tto have a two-person f l ight crew as opposed to ear l ie r models whichrequired additional pi lots . I !indicated tha t a t the time theydid thei r one simulator session, M o u s ~ a o u i alread&knew how to operatethe MCP from previous study. For information, l indicatedthat the level of automation provided by the MC gJ.ves the 747-400the abi l i ty to fly, navigate, and in some modes land in a fullyautomated manner.

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!U- --------------- - d - - - - - ~ I I stated that for his upcoming high-fideli ty b6 p er Fsimulator sessJ.ons, Moussaoui stated that he would "love" to f ly b7ca simulated f l ight from Heathrow Airport in England, to John F.Kennedy airport in New York, to include a l l navigation andcommunicafions. re offered no explanation as to why he wished todo th is . _ _was also aware that Moussaoui was interested inbooking additional simulator sessions af te r he finished his currentlyscheduled syllabus.

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schools able to provide subsequent aviation t raining. I ldidask Moussaoui why he did not attempt to get his aviation trainingin England and was told that the schools were not available in Europe.He also noted that f l ight training schools t h ~ too severein thei r training methods. Moussaoui informed that heintended to return to London in the fa l l as he claime he couldn' tallow his family and friends running his business to make money forhim forever.{U)- - - - uu _________ u __________ u ~ I ladvised that Moussaoui was staying a t theResidence Inn Eagan, which address was s u b s e ~ n t l determined tobe 3040 Eagandale Place, Eagan, Minnesota. had seenMoussaoui arrive and depart in the company o a second male hedescribed as Middle Eastern. Their vehicle he described as a 4 ~ o o rSubaru sedan, gold in color, whose l icense plate he believed waswhite with green le t ter ing and ended with the numbers! I

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registered t, with an address of b6 per FB,_ . . . . .______ . . . ._____J _ b 7c{U) -- - -- ---u---- -- -uU ___ __ u u ~ As I Iwas not certain. of M o u s s a o u ~ I s exact b6 per Fschedule for simulator sessions ,I fwas interviewed a t his place b 7Cof employment on 08/16/2001 and provided a computer-generatedi t inerary which showed that Moussaoui was scheduled for four sessions

in "ful l f l ight simulator B744-7" from 6:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. onThursday 08/16/2001, Saturday 08/18/2001, Sunday 08/19/2001 andMonday 08/20/2001. I t i s not known why Moussaoui was not scheduledfor a simulator on Friday 08/17/2001, but th is gap may have occurreda t his request as a resul t of the Muslim Sabbath. Thiscomputer-generated schedule has been placed in a lA envelope andmade a par t of captioned main f i le .(U) Investigation by Minneapolis Joint Terrorism ~Force (JTTF) I : i q . : a : ; L ~ n and Naturalization Service (INS) SAsI Iandi : : jrevealed the following information regar J.nb6 per ICM n : s s : ~ u i and e J.n J.vidual believed to be his companion,! b7CI _ I - -- oussaoui, a resident of the United Kingdom, traveling on Frenchpassport #I !entered the u.s. a t Chicago, I l l inois on02/23/2001 on a visa waiver. Under the terms of the visa waiverprogram, cit izens of certain countries may enter the U.S. withoub6 per ICapplying for a visa, however they are allowed to remain in the U.Sb7Cfor no more than 90 c;\ays from the date of entry. According the IN::;records, Moussaoui was admitted to the u.s. only unt i l 05/22/2001

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and was therefore in an overstay status and subject to arrest anytime af ter th is date.bJ perblC

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. (U) A short time before s ~ m . Moussaoui and) Iwere observed leav.ing room 1414. I !entered the dr iver ' s sideof the Subaru while Moussaoui approac d the vehicle. Both:n4iydurls were informed of the identi ty of INS Agents! landb6 perI_ _and detained temporarily pending a determination of theib7C1mmigration status. Upon hearing that he was suspected ofimmigration violations, Moussaoui informed Agents that he was inpossession of a val id extension document in his hotel room. Heinvited Agents to his room to view this document, which uponsubsequent examination proved to be an extension request, not anactual visa waiver extension. Moussaoui was informed tha t th is

d o c u m ~ n t was not proof of continued legal status in the u.s. andwas asked for permission to search his room to discover additionaldocuments. This request was refused.(U) Moussaoui was then placed under arrest withoutincident. During a search of his person, Agents discovered a shortdagger with a scabbard in one of his :ockets . b 6 perA subsequent consensual search ofJ !vehicle revealed an b7Cadditional folding knife under the dr1ver 1s seat which Moussaouiadmitted was his .(U) After Moussaoui the

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. (U)I I who had a key to the room and adv;sed thathe was staying there with Moussaoui, gave written consent to searchthe room. This was done in the interest of Agent safet and includedsearches for weapons of bags and cases within onopening several bags and a small metal suitcase whichindicated were Moussaouis, a laptop computer, n u m e r o u ~ s - - a _ v__ _ t ~ o r . b 6 per ICstudy materials, a cellular telephone and one small "walkie-talkieb7Ctype radio were discovered. No additional weapons were found andMoussaouis effects were not searched beyond the above-describedcheck for weapons and other dangerous items. Upon hearing thatMoussaoui was subject to deportation from the U.s. and consequentlywould not be returning I Igave permission and assistance inremoving Moussaouis belongings to an INS vehicle. Moussaouisubsequently gave verbal consent for the items to be brought to theINS dis t r ic t office and placed in storage. ~ - - - - - - - - ~ < u ~ > ~ l - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - b 6 per IC~ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ~ f b 7 C

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(U)Jlindicated that Moussaoui was an extremelb6 perreligious Mus im who had gained a reputation a t the Anur Mosque f ~ 7Cbeing f ~ r too hard l ine and outspoken in his bel iefs. I ,advised that he has heard him speak out against Israel and i t s measuresagainst the Palestinians on numerous occasions. Moussaoui alsoregularly questioned why the Israel is are ki l l ing Muslims and yetreceiving favorable press in the U.S.(U) I I ndicated tha t Moussaoui believes tha t i tis acceptable to ki11 civil ians who harm Muslims and that he approveb6 perof martyrs. During th is l ine of questioning,! lwas then askeb7Ci f he had ever heard Moussaoui make a plan to k i l l those who hazmMuslims and in so doing become a martyr. I ladmitted tha the may have heard him do so, but tha t because it is not in his ownheart to carry out acts of th is nature, he claimed that he kept himselffrom actually hearing and understanding ..(0 ) I !related tha t in arguing his beliefs ,Moussaoui has referred to rel igious orders written by,various Islamic scholars. dvised tha t he has seen h i ~ 6 per~ ; 1 a r i o u s Patwas ne such scholar whose na,mb7CI ______ can recall i s 7Ew n Moussaoui was

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Ib6 per ICb7Cb7E(U) Specifically,! !advised tha t Moussaoui holdsthe-following opinions regarding Islam: b6 per- True Muslims must prepare themselves to f ight . Pursuant to thisb7CMoussaoui was able to p e r s u a d ~ Ito begin physical exerciseand martial ar ts training. As an example of th is preparation, bothMoussaoui and bad among their belongings padded gloves andshin guards for training in martial ar ts .

- Moussaoui believes tha t i t i s the highest- level duty of Muslimseverywhere tor t h ~ u f f e r i n g of MUslims in lands where thetJ6 perare oppressed. ci ted the specif ic examples of the b 7CPhilippines, Cn1na,l ie shmir, Kosovo, Macedonia, Palestine ar._Bosnia as areas where Moussaoui stated th is i s occurring.- Moussaoui considers the U.s. ful l of unbelievers, ma,king i t a placenot f i t for Muslims to reside. He has made th is argument to manypeople a t t h e ~ Mosaye, causing them to consider him very extremEb6 perHe has urged____ __ to f inish his studies and leave the u.s. b 7C

(U) A l t h o u g ~ !himself claimed that he does notshare these beliefs , he 1ndicate tha t he might f ight in a Jihadhimself in the future i f cal led.d !reacted with surpriseb6 perto the above est on and dela e for several seconds before b 7Ced.

(U) I I ndicated tha t he is accompanying Moussaouion this t r ip as a friend. He stated tha t he i s aware that Moussaouibas taken f l ight t ra ining with others in ~ i ! I Q m a ~ t ba t he wishedto continue his studies in Minneapolis. _!advised ' that heand Moussaoui drove up from Oklahoma in his car arrv ing on Saturdayb 6 per08/11/2001. Although he was. aware that Mousfaoui was scheduled fcb7Cf l ight training ~ h r o u g h Monday, 08/20/2001,_ I claims thatlhe himself was p l ~ t o ~ DR aynday. 08/19/20011 I(U) I I ndicated that originally the agreement fQ ...finances on tne t r ip would be that he and Moussaoui would share b6 perexpenses evenly. A short time af te r t h e y di s:1ssed th is , Moussaoub 7 Cadvised him that since he had askedj !to accompany him, he

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would pay for gas and lodging, leavingj lresponsible onl}bb?6Cper ICfor his own food. b6 per IC(U) l lis aware that Moussaoui had more than $10, 0Cb7Cin his possess1on and that he received money from overseas v ia abank in Norman, Oklahoma. He claimed to have no knowledge of thesource of th is income and indicated that Moussaoui was secretivein the extreme. As an example, he ci ted the fact tha t he himselfknows Moussaoui only as Shaqil, and advised that he was extremelycareful never to reveal his l as t name. b6 per IC(U} J !advised that as fa r as he kriew, M o u s s a o ~ b 7 Cis simply in M1nneapolis for f l ight t raining. He did admit thathe was aware tha t Moussaoui was interested in staying in Minneapolisfor an addit ional two weeks to "study". Moussaoui had informed himof this and indicated that they would be moving to a cheaper hotelwhich he found on the internet .

(U ) Following th is study,l !indicated that b6 per ICMoussaoui intended that they drive to D e n v e r ~ Colorado and then Neb?CYork City, before returning to O k l a h o m a . ~ _ ; Js ta ted tha tMoussaoui told him tha t they would "see ~ e ica"d stated thathe had no further information as to what Moussaoui was planning.(U)J Jprovided these explanations for the b6 per ICfollowing i te s in h i s n d Moussaoui's possession: b7C

- Binoculars. I thad no idea why Moussaoui had there andclaimed he had not seen them in use.-The fighting gloves and shin guards.!n Jclaimed tha t bb?6Cper ICMoussaoui had purchased a se t of each ~ e b h v i ~ e d him to dosame for himself so they could t ra in to protect themselves againstcrime in the u.s.

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a Muslim to write out one's Will and tha t he had done so "long ago".- In addition to these items, Agents discovered a l i s t which indicatedtha t Moussaoui intended to purchase a handheld Global Posit ioningSystem (GFSl rec:iyer and to rent a camcorder for the i r sUbsequeDb6 pert ravels . !indicated tha t Moussaoui claimed tha t he intendeb 7cto videotape var1ous scenes of natural beauty in the u.s. withcamcorder and to use the GPS to navigate during the i r cross countrydrive. Moussaoui planned to rent the camcorder rather than buyingone as he claimed those manufaetured for the u.s. market wereincompatible in Europe.

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(U) After leavingl I wri te r and SAinterviewed Moussaoui a t the INS Detention Fac i l i ty in . . . , . ~ o ~ o ~ m ~ J . n g t o n ,Minnesota. As th i s was a cus todia l interview, Moussaoui was provideb6 per ICMiranda warnings and acknowledged tha t he understood them. He WSb7Cthen given the option of signing an INS advice of r ights and waiverform, which he did.

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interview. Rather than answering numerous seemingly innocuousquestions direct ly, he inquired about the need for interviewers toknow or indicated that th is was "a personal matter". In addition,he became extremely agitated when he understood the l ine ofquestioning to per tain to his rel igious bel iefs , overseas t raveland associates, and the source of f inancial support... M Moussaoui began the interview by stat ing he was highlysuspicious of immigration authorit ies in general because of a problemhe had in the UK in 1993 while traveling on his ident i ty card providedby the French Consulate in London. Moussaoui indicated that he wasquestioned extensively by immigration authorit ies who believed hewas Algerian, despite his possession of valid French documents.Moussaoui related that he was saved from th is diff icul ty only througha friend's acquaintance with a French Senator who interceded on hisbehalf, but whose name he could not recal l .

(U) Moussaoui also was extremely insis tent that he beallowed to complete his training a t Pan Am. In addit ion to th isbeing one of the f i r s t issues he raised during th is interview,Moussaoui indicated his need to finisp this t faining several t i m ~ 6 per ICwhile he was being arrested. INS SA_ . who transportedMoussaoui to the INS Detention Facil i ty reported tha t he again state9.7Cseveral times that he needed to complete his study and tha t he wouldvoluntari ly return to INS custody i f he was released temporarilyin order to finish.(U) Moussaoui stated tha t he came to the u.s. to be api lot and has been a f l ight student a t the Airman Flying School,1950 Goddard Avenue, Norman, Oklahoma 73069 since he arrived inFebruary 2001. Since arriving a t Airman, he has logged approximately50 hours of f l ight time in Cessna 152 aircraf t . He advised tha the took the FAA written exam, but fai led i t and did not wish to takethe pract ical portion of the te s t .(U) Moussaoui indicated tha t he did not attempt to obtainhis pi lot ' s license in the UK because of the expense. He explainedthat in order to f ly in the UK as a student he would have neededto ~ i r e an addit ional aircraf t and pi lo t tofollow him, making thecost of obtaining a l icense there several times what it would bein the U.S. He cited the fact that the Airman Flight School i s ful l

of foreign students as a resul t of the high cost of comparable trainingoverseas.(U) Moussaoui explained his fai lure to complete trainingby stat ing that the instructors assigned to teach him to fly weretoo youthful and that he was no longer making progress. After being

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told that he was not cut out to be a pi lot , he resolved to followhis dream of flying a "big airplane". Moussaoui claims that it isfor this reason that he approached Pan Am International Academy andpaid $8,300 to f ly the 747-400 simulator. He fur ther indicated thathe was doing so purely for enjoyment and that he eventually did intendto return to flying real airplanes in order to obtain his pi lo t ' slicense.(U) Moussaoui, whose adgress is l is ted on his UK drivir.b6 per IClicense asl I o n d o ~ 1 indicated that he w o r ~in the UK as a freelance marketing researcfier. When asked i f th_7Cwas his sole source of income, he indicated that he also works "hereand there". When asked what that involved, Moussaoui a t lengthreferred to a busimess i n i t i a t i ~ e with an Indonesian telephone c ~ r dcompany, but s t a t e ~ that i t did not work out. He was unable to g1veeven an approximate figure for his annual income, claiming that hedid not pay taxes in the UK in 2000.(U) He also indicated that he earns some income fromrelat ives in Saudi Arabia. When asked in what capacity this occurs,Moussaoui indicated that it is "absolutely legal, but private". b6 I'BWhen asked how a business venture could be private, Moussaoui began b7cde c r i n ns in Saudi Arabia, indicating thatSaudi Arabia is married to a Saucb6 e r ICphonet c , whose la s t name he could not recal l . Whe P~ ~ o ~ d e s c r i b e the nature of the business, Moussaoui state6b7Cthat 'he was trying to arrange the "import-export of some product".At length, Moussaoui indicated that the product was grape leaves

which he wished to export from the South of France to Saudi Arabia,but that this venture had not panned out ei ther.(U} Moussaoui advised that his employment in connectionwith marketing research consisted of telephoning people to conductcustomer satisfaction interviews on behalf of various corporationswho contract with his employer for th is service. Moussaoui indicatedthat the name of the company he worked for was NOP, located in London,but could not recal l what this stood for, being able to s ta te onlythat the "N" stood for National. When questioned about th is , .Moussaoui became angry and began "listing his academic qualifications,including a Master's Degree in International Business from SouthbankUniversity and an advanced d e g r e ~ in Commerce and Technology fromthe "Insti tute of Export", both believed to be located in the UK.(U} For information, among the documents Moussaouipresented to INS a t the time of his a r ~ e s t was a deposit agreementfrom Arvest Bank, 200 East Main Street , Norman, Oklahoma 73069,telephone (405) 321-7170 shqwing that on 02/26/2001, he opened ~ 6 per ICchecking accound _ j in the amount of $32,000. At no t i ~ b C

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during this or one subsequent interview was Moussaoui able to givea convincing explanation for his source of income, especiallyconsidering that each of the business ventures he described, "didnot work out" . He did claim that he saves a l l of his money and thathe has been working since the age of 1.4, but became angry when itwas suggested to him that th is did not seem adequate to account forthe large sums of money in his possession.havi

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(U) When asked why he resides in the UK, Moussaouiindicated that he was educated there and l ikes the qual i t ies of theBrit ish people. He indicated that in his absence from the UK, hisf la t is being sub-let ed by friends. He was unable to name anyspecifically, but indicated that most of his friends in London arerestaurant employees of Moroccan origin and that they are on thelower end of the financial scale.H H : ~ : : : ~ ~ - ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ u ~ : o ~ ~ a ; : ~ e ~ l ~ ~ : ~ ~ ~ ~ c ~ ~ ~ ~ i ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ i i u r ~ ~ : ~ e ~ ~

also advised that in connection with the Indonesian telephone cardventure described above, he visi ted Malaysia for approximately threeweeks, Indonesia for approximately one week and Pakistan for twomonths. He indicated that he was in Pakistan approximately sixmonths ago and a t f i r s t claimed that he was there in connection withthe Indonesian t e l ~ p h o n e card venture.HJl H )$) When asked why the Malaysian and Indonesian visi tswere so much shorter than his t r ip to Pakistan, he explained thathis reasons for being there were both connected to the businessventure as well as personal. After being pressed to provide a reason,Moussaoui indicated that he was there attempting to get married,but that this did not work out.{U) ~ Moussaaoui stated that he traveled to Karachi,Pakistan and that he stayed in hotels in that ci ty the ent ire time.When asked who he contacted in Pakistan, he indicated that he wasin touch with the brother of a close friend of Pakistani origin whoresided in London. Although he was unable to rTcaa J Jhe brother 'b6 per ICname, he stated that his friend's nickname was_ _ Wh.en a s k ~

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for something more descriptive., Moussaoui s ta ted tha t he could ncl) 6 perreca l l his f r iend ' s l a s t name, but tha t his f i r s t wasl I b7C- ( U ~ ~ - ~ t ; - d ~ ~ t::n ~ ~ ~ ~ ; f ~ : e r ~ ; e : i ~ ~ = ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ; ~ ; f t ~ t ~ ~ r

Pakistan, Moussaoui did not answer di rec t ly , but instead claimedtha t he was aware of what the interviewing Agents were t rying toaccuse him of as a re su l t of his having watched te levis ion. Thisl ine of questioning caused him to become extremely agita ted and herefused to discuss the matter further . H H - s - h o ; e d t ~ e ! ~ ~ = ~ ~ i : ~ : ; : i ~ i ~ ~ ~ ~ f 2 ~ ~ ~ s ! ~ ~ ~ ~ e ~ ~ ~ c o ~ ~ ~ ; i ~ ~ 6 perand tha t he had done so using Pakis tani Visal I issued bllthe High Commission for Pakistan in London on 12/04/2000. T h e r ~ Cwere no entry or exi t stamps for Indonesia or Malaysia and no. visasto enter these countries in Moussaouis passport , which was issuedby the French Consulate in London on 10/31/2000. When asked whythese stamps did not appear, he indicated t h a ~ th is document wasa recently issued replacement for one which had gone through thewashing machine.

(0) Later in the i n t e r v ~ e w Moussaoui also disclosed tha the has traveled to Saudi Arabia in September 1996 for t1mmah, in orderto fu l f i l a re l igious requirement. Moussaoui indicated tha t duringth is t r ip , foreign fa i thful are confined by the Saudi author i t iesto the areas around Jedd.ah and Medina and tha t he was unable to t rave loutside these c i t ies .(O) Moussaoui indicated tha t he attended the Regent'sPark Mosque in London and a small mosque near t ! r University qf

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to studying Fatwas, he i s unable to read Arabic, only to speak i t ,and tha t th is precludes his abi l i ty understand them.(0} When asked how he feels about the s i tua t ion in Israe lregarding the i r treatment of the Palest in ians, Moussaoui indicatedtha t th i s makes him sad. He stated tha t 11 seeing a s ix year old child

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shot in the head" and watching Israel "take Arab land" makes himsad, but denied that any of this makes him angry. When asked i fhe has ever b ~ e n so sad that he spoke openly about hurting peoplein retal iat ion, he stated that he must think about the answer tothis question, ultimately refusing to give one.(U} Moussaoui indicated that he had avoided being draftedinto the French Army as a resul t of unspecified family problems andthe fact that he was studying for a degree at the time. He indicatedthat he had no weapons training of any kind, but that he had shothandguns once or twice in France with friends whose names he couldnot recal l . Moussaoui stated that he would l ike to learn to useweapons as he is curious about them, but repeated that he has neverpreviously been taught to use one. Minneapolis opines that Moussaouiwas being deceptive in stat ing that he has never been trained inthe use of weapons based on his reaction to the questions.to} Moussaoui indicated that upon completion of his b 6training at Pan Am, he a n ~ !planned to travel to New Y o ~ perCity to "see si tes", including the Statue of Liberty, the " B m p i ~ b 7 CState" and the "White House". He also advised that he planned totravel to Denver to do some unspecified business with United AirLines. Following this t ravel , Moussaoui indicated that he plannedto return to Oklahoma and f ly back to the UK. This concluded the08/16/2001 interview.(U) As requested, I !voluntarily reported to thb6 per

INS office on the morning of 08/17/2001. He consented to being b7Cinterviewed a second time and also to giving two sworn s t a t e m e n t ~which were recorded on INS forms. one sworn statement {enclosed),pertained to what he understands to be Moussaoui' s bel iefs regardingIslam and the course to be followed by Muslims.

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(U} I !rei terated much of the same information frcb6 per ICthe previous evening. He again indicated that he was aware thatb7CMoussaoui has strong bel iefs, but repeated that he was not awareof any specific plan. He did indicate that Moussaoui does not l ikeanyone who is not a Muslim, and advised that he has stated that hewould work in any way possible to make the l ives of nonbelieversmore diff icul t . 1 jadded that i f Moussaoui were to perceive

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tha t a nonbeliever i s harming a Muslim in any way, he b e t ~ ~ tha'iMoussaoui would work to harm the nonbeliever secretly. _emphasized the secrecy aspect of Moussaouis general coniUd , b6 perindicating that he was extremely unwilling to reveal detai ls aboUb7Chimself, or even give his _last name to others. I )ci ted asan example the fact that he himself only knew Moussaoui Dy hisnickname, S h a q i ~ .(U) In describing the source of Moussaoui's bel iefs,I I ndicated that he follows the teachings of a Sheikh, whoseidentity he has not revealed tq Jndicated thatMoussaoui lained his reason for keeping his Sheikh a secret istha OUld not approve Of him because Of his VieWS and becaUSb6 perof h s na in. When asked i f he was speaking about U s a ~ b 7 CBin Laden, advised that he did not believe this was thecase. He n cate that the only reference he has seen Moussaouimake to Bin Laden occurred when the two were watching. CNN on televisionand his picture appeared. !lindicated hat Moussaoui calledhis attention to Bin Laden, but did not comment further on him.(U} In addition to the Unidentified Sheikh,l lgaveseveral other examples of quotations from Islamic prophets whichMoussaoui draws upon as jus t i f ica t ion for his bel iefs and actions.I pt.ated that Moussaoui quoted omar Ibn Al Khattar , referredto as the companion prophet, "teach your children how to swim, r id ..6a horse and to know how to f ight 11 He indicated that Moussaoui useb perthis as just if icat ion for his physical training and preparation fcb7C

fighting. In referring to Moussaouis disl ike of l iving in anycountry which doesn 1 t follow s t r ic t Islamic law, he quoted the prophetMohammed in saying, "If he does something good in Islam, love himthat ;ucn. I f he does something bad in Islam, hate him that much."I : li.naicated that Moussoui 1 s disl ike of countries not adheringto Is am1c law extends to secular Muslim states.(U} Although he had e a r l i ~ r stated that Moussaoui didnot have any friends or associates in Norman} ~ a t e r admittedthat Moussaoui did associate with other s ~ u d e n t s from Muslimcountries a t Airman Flight School. He was also aware that Moussaouiwas friendly with two instructors there of Pakistani origin, althougb6 perhe was unable to provide thei r names. He was aware of tw: ; : i ;hb7C~ ~ ~ ~ A - - . ~ ~ whom Moussaoui associated meal _______b7E

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(U) Moussaoui was again questioned on the afternoon of08/17/2001. He indicated that he has no criminal record in France,and that his "fi le is clear". Moussaoui stated that he has neverbeen in j a i l authori t ies.b6 per ICb7Cb7 Per FB

(U) Although Moussaoui began this second interview ina very subdued manner, in an attempt to appear cooperative, as thequestions began to touch on the gaps in his financial support, hisreasons for training a t Pan Am and his religious bel iefs, he becameincreasingly angry. He was again unable to convincingly explainhis source of income, now indicating that the money came from friendsin the UK. When asked their names, he indicated that whosetrue name he had been unable to recal l the da r providedhim money. He added that:l ! ful l name wa (phonetib6 per ICEand that he worked as an ' whcb 7Cname he could not recal l . Wlpressed for other names of people who have rov ded h m fl.nancjb7E per FBsupport, he indicated that there was a LNU in Germany as well.. Moussaoui was unable to name the ci ty wher i ves, his placeof employment, a telephone number or even a means by which they metor contact one another.

(U) In continuing to attempt to explain his presence intheu.s . and a t Minneapolis, Moussaoui repeated that he was simplyinterested in learning to fly. He gave as an example of this thenames of several other f l ight training faci l i t ies in the u.s . ,including Flight Safety International and the University of Minnesotaflying program. He indicated that Pan Am International FlightAcademy, which he contacted after seeing their web s i te , offeredto t r a t : f:;j qn sTudents jus t l ike him. He indicated that he deal twithal a t Pan Am headquarters in Miami and had been tolt)6 perthat t s a1n1ng was open to him. He further stated that as alb 7Cof these schools advertised on the internet , he could showinterviewing agents i f allowed access to a computer. He was then

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asked if such materials were on his laptop computer, to which hequickly replied in the neg"tive. In wri ter ' s opinion the suggestionthat his laptop might be accessed by the FBI clearly provoked anextremely strongemotional reaction.(U) For information, a subsequent internet check ofMinnesota Aviation Educational Insti tut ions provided by theMinnesota Department of Transportation revealed tha t the Universityof Minnesota Twin Cities campus does not have a f l ight t rainingprogram. The only aviat ion-related training offered there aredegree programs in Aerospace Engineering.(U} Moussaoui also disclosed for the f i r s t time tha t he

was the owner of a beige Ford Taurus registered in the s ta te ofOklahoma which i s parked in front of his apa-rtment building. Whenasked why he did not drive th is car to Minneapolis, he gave no answer.{U) Moussaoui was then confronted with the informationthat he was known to be an extremist intent on using his past andfuture aviation training in furtherance of a te r ror is t goal. Hewas asked to provide the name of his group, the religious scholarswhom they tollowed, and to describe his plan in detai l . Moussaouiwas visibly surprised a t the mention that he was amember of a groupand that the FBI/INS were aware tha t he subscribed to fundamentalistbeliefs. He began repeating his ear l ie r claims that he was hereto enjoy the 747-400 simulator and that- this was a l l tha t interestedhim. A short time af ter this, he invoked his r ight to "an immigration

lawyer" and questioning was halted.(U) For information, since his arrest Moussaoui hasGontended that he did not violate any immigration laws and that hehas been detained unlawfully. He continually referred to the visawaiver extension request as a valid document which would allow himto legal ly remain in the U.S. He stated several times that i f hehad known this would happen, he would have l e f t the U.S. and returnedon a second visa waiver. In addition, he advised that when deported,he wil l simply go to the u.s. Embassy in London and obtain a visato t ravel to the u.s. in order to complete his t raining.(U) Minneapolis believes tha t Moussaoui i s an Islamicextremist preparing for some future act in furtherance of radicalfundamentalist goals. The numerous inconsistencies in his story,his two month long t r ip to Pakistan which ended less than three weeksbefore coming to the u.s., and his inabil i ty to explain his sourceof financial support a l l give cause to believe he.is conspiring tocommit a te rroris t act, especially when this information is combined

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with his extremist views as described b y ~ l _______.lin his sworn b 7Cstatement.{U) As Moussaoui was in the process of gathering the mostknowledge and ski l l possible in order to learn to fly the Boeing747-400, Minneapolis believes that his plan involved an aircraf tof this type. This is especially compelling when considering thatthe 400 series of this aircraf t has a smaller f l ight crew and ismore automated than other versions, lending i t s e l f to simpleroperation QY relat ive novices. His request of Pan Am that he bepermitted to f ly a simulated f l ight from London's Heathrow Airportto New York's JFK Airport is suggestive and gives Minneapolis reasonto believe that he may have been attempting to simulate a f l ightunder the conditions which he would operate while putting his plan

into motion in the future.(U) Since i t is reasonable to expect that some time mighthave elapsed between Moussaoui 's training a t Pan Am and the executionof his plan, Minneapolis believes that he may have intended to amassa large supply of study aids which would have allowed him to maintainreasonable currency or a t least familiari ty with the 747-400 ai rcraf tin the interim. Minneapolis believes that this is why he purchasedthe Power Point software in such a hurried fashion af ter viewingthe briefings provided him a t Pan Am and why he had in his possessionseveral 747-400 fl ight manuals.(U) Although! Iclaimed to have no knowledge ofb6 per FBMoussaoui's actual plan, Minneapolis opines that he was being b7Cdeceptive in trying to minimize both his understanding of and .involvement in whatever Moussaoui was planning to do. In additionto the numerous inconsistencies in his story regarding his reasonfor coming to Minneapolis,! I explanation for his planned

t r a v e ~ to Pakistan likewise is farfetched. Minneapolis believest h a ~ _ fintends to travel to Pakistan to receive training orindoc r1nation which will be used in furtherance of this plan.(U) On the basis of investi ation to date, Minneapolishas reason to believe that Moussaoui and others yet unknownare conspiring to commit violations o e era criminal code as setforth in Ti t le 18 Section 2332b, enti t led Acts of terrorismtranscending national boundaries, in that they are "attempt1ng ob6 per FBconspiring to destroy or damage any structure, conveyance, or otheb 7 C

real or personal property within United States". Further,statements made by both Moussaoui and t;:iemonstrate that theyhave used interstate and foreign commerce 1n furtherance of theoffense.

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(U) In addition, information developed relating toMoussaouis training on the Boeing 747-400 aircraft gives reasonto b e l i e v ~ that he i s also conspiring to commit violations asspecified under Title 18 Section 32 , enti t led Destruction of aircraftor aircraf t fac i l i t ies , in that , on the basis of his possession ofweapons and his preparation through physical t raining for violentconfrontation, his plan is believed to involve the performance ofviolence or incapacitation of individuals on aircra.ft in the specialaircraf t jurisdiction of the United States or on any civi l aircraftemployed in :foreign a i r commerce, :for the purpose of seizing controlof the aircraf t for his own ends. Investigation has not yet shownwhat these ends are, but information pertaining to this is expectedto be developed through future investigation.(U) Pursuant to MIOG Section 265-3, Investigative Policyand Procedures, Minneapolis will open an investigation under the265 (criminal) classif icat ion as investigation under captionedpending 199 matter has developed information indicating a te r ror is tor te rroris t group is presently engaged in the specif ic criminalacts described above.(U) Minneapolis requests thatl l b7E per FB

: l l l l . ; i . t i ~ a ; ! . l c d;i.ICW!IBI ri matter with thej Il_at OJ and secure auth0r1zat1on foririneapo 1s to contact t e United States Attorney's Office in theDistr ic t of Minnesota pursuant to determining the fu l l merit forcriminal prosecution and obtaining search warrants for Moussaouiseffects ; vehicles and residence and subpoenas for his financial andtelephone to l l records. Minneapolis wishes to emphasize the urgencyof this matter in reminding recipients that i t is as yet unknoWnhow far advanced the plan is or how many as yet unidentifiedco-conspirators exist . The LHM enclosed for t h ~ ~ sprovided to fac i l i ta te this process.

(U) Minneapolis request that London and Paris providedenclosed LHMs to host government security and law enforcementauthori t ies as appropriate in order to request their assistance infully identifying captioned subject and any associates yet unknown.Minneapolis has yet to identify contacts local+;, ,;:ipr to theconclusion that the majority of Moussaoui' .s andf suppo:rb 6 peroriginates in Oklahoma od]' oye r s e a s This i s supper ed oussaoui 'b 7cresidency in London an _ !admission that he i s aware t h a ~Moussaoui receives funds from overseas via his bank in Norman,Oklahoma.

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InReply, P1cucRarer toFileNo.

u . s . ~ ~ e n t o f J a s d c eFederal Bureau of

Minneapolis., MinnesotaAugust 19, 2001

MOOSSAOOI, ZACARIAS;IT - OTHER{U))s:{ This document i s class i f ied ~

( . U ) - ~ Nature .o f . investigation: Internat ional Terrorism{UL.... (199M-MP-60130)

b7E per FBRequest of Minneapolis: Provide ident i fying information oncaptioned subject and any information pertaining to h is ac t iv i t iesand known associates connected with radical Islamic causes.

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t ra in a i r l ine p i lo ts from a l l over bhe world. Training conductedthere c o ~ s i s t s exclusively of i n i t i a l t ra in ing for newly hireda i r l ine p i lo t s or update/refresher tra;i.ning given to act ive a i r l inepi lo ts . In both cases, t.he typical student holds a Federal AviationAdministration (FAA) Airl ine Transport Pi lo t (ATP) ra t ing or foreignequivalent, i s employed by an a i r l ine , and has several thousand f l igh thours. i U l ~ : ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ c t ~ f ~ ~ a ~ ~ f ~ ; ~ ~ ~ s n ~ ~ ~ d O : U a ~ ~ ~ r a : i ~ e M i ~ ~ i ~ r ~ i ~ r ~ ~

and had paid $8,000-$9,000 dol lars in cash fo;r t ra ining on the Boeing.747 Model 400 aircraf t .s imulator .

This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. I t is the property of th e FBIand is loaned to your aqency; i t and i ts contents ar e not to be distributed outside your aqency.

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(Ulft,E Moussaoui ' s ground school instructor, who is aret ired air l ine pi lo t with more than 10,000 f l ight hours in a widevariety of aircraft , was subsequently interviewed regardingMoussaoui. The instructor is a contract employee of Pan Am whotravels to Minneapolis in order to t rain students and has been doing ...);c;.( so for several years.. He characterized Moussaoui as unlike any otherstudent with whom he has worked.

/'( The instructor described Moussaoui as a Middle Eastern male, age 30-40,5'9"-5'11" in height with a heavy build and a trimmed beard. Heindicated that he spoke French-accented English and advised thathe was very amiable. The instructor noted that Moussaoui wasextremely reticent in discussing his background, but did indicatethat he had been born in the South of France, but was now livingin London, England.- { ~ ] } - - ~ The instructor noted that although Moussaoui lacked

aviation experience and knowledge, there were certain systems onthe 747-400 in which he was particularly interested. Although theinstructor himself brought the subject up, he indicated Moussaouiwas extremely interested in the ai rcraf t doors and the i r operation.He indicated that Moussaoui seemed surprised to learn that the doorscannot normally be opened in f l ight because of the pressurizationof the cabin of the aircraft .- ~ U ) - - - ~ The other system in which Moussaoui was interestedwas the Mode Control Panel (MCP) . This is the portion of theaircraft ' s avionics sui te which controls the aircraft when flying

in an automated mode and what allows the 747-400 Series aircraf tto have a two-person f l ight crew as opposed to earl ier models whichrequired additional pilots . The instructor indicated that at thetime they did their one simulator session, Moussaoui ~ l r e a d y knewhow to operate the MCP from previous study. For information, theinstructor explained that the level of automation provided by theMCP gives the 747-400 the abi l i ty to fly, navigate, and in some modesland in a fully automated manner.

{Ul - ~ The instructor stated that for his upcominghigh-fideli ty simulator sessions, Moussaoui stated that he would"love" to f ly a simulated f l ight from Heathrow Airport in England,to John F. Kennedy airport in New York, to include a ll navigationand communications. He offered no explanation as to why he wishedto do this . The instructor was also aware that Moussaoui wasinterested in booking additional simulator sessions af ter he finishedhis currently scheduled syllabus.{0) Investigation by Minneapolis Joint Terrorism TaskForce (JTTF) Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) Special

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Agents revealed the following information regarfina Mgussaoui and, b6 per ICthe individual believed to be traveli;ng with him,_ lb 7C- Moussaoui, a resident of the United Kingdom, traveling on Frenchpassport! I entered the u.s. at Chicago, I l l inois on b6 per IC02/23/2001 on a visa waiver. Under the terms of the visa waiver b7Cprogram, cit izens of certain countries may enter the U.S. withoutapplying for a visa, however they are allowed to remain in the u.s.no more than 90 days from the date of entry. According the INSrecords, Moussaoui was admittedto the u.s. only unti l 05/22/2001and was therefore in an overstay status and subject to arrest anytime after this date.-I

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arrest him on the overstay violat ion in order to delay his receiving b 6 per ICany further training on the Boeing 747-400 aircraft unt i l he couldb7Cbe interviewed and his true intentions determined. When arrested,. Moussaoui was armed with a small sheathed knife in his pocket andadmit ted fhat a larger folding-blade knife found under the seat ofI _car was his .

(U) Subsequent interyi;ws of both men and a consensualsearch of the effects of !revealed the following: b6 per IC~ - - - - ~ b7C-1 1 during an interview on the evening of 08/16/2001, .described Aoussaoui's beliefs as having characteristics known-tobe consistent with those held by radical Islamic FUndamentalists. b6 per ICHe also admitted that Moussaoui is preparing himself to fight andb7Chas expressed approval of martyrs in the past .- During this same interview I I ndicated that MoussaouiS hat i t is acceptable to kill civi l ians who harm Muslims. b6 per ICwas also asked i f he had ever heard Moussaoui make a plan b 7cse who harm Muslims and in so doing become a martyr himself.admitted that he may have heard him do so, but that becausen his own heart to carry out acts of this nature, he claimedthat he kept h ~ m s e l f from actually hearing and understanding.. b6 per IC- In a sworn statement signed on 08/17/20011 !indicated that b7CMoussaoui, whom he knows as Sbaqil, would h i ~ "non-believers",

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described as Jews and Christians, secretly i f he believed they wereharming Muslims.- Moussaoui was unable to give a convincing explanation for his payingPan Am $8,300 for 747-400 t raining. Although he indicated tha t hehad completed approximately 50 hours of instruct ion in . l ight aircraftac a flying school in Norman, Oklahoma, his level of aviationexperience was in no way adequate to qualify him for this t raining.His continued insistence that this was indulging a desire for a"joy ride" clashed with the seriousness with which he was studyingand preparing and his anxiousness to return to this when released.from INS custody. When arrested, he had among his belongings severalBoeing 747-400 Flight Manuals and is believed to have been makingprovisions to acquire additional data about this a i rcraft throughelectronic means.- Moussaoui had no convincing explanation for the large sums of moneyknown to have been in his possession during his time in the UnitedStates. For information, upon arrival in the U.S. he is known tohave opened a checking account with a deposit of $32,000 at a bankin Norman, Oklahoma. Minneapolis opines tha t Moussaoui's incomefrQm his self-described employment as a freelance telemarketer inthe UK would not be adequate to allow him to spend' $8,300 for aviationtraining of no value to his stated goal of becoming a pi lot . AlthoughI I indicated that he is aware tha t Moussaoui receives money b6 per FBfrom overseas via a bank in Norman, Oklahoma, he had no information. b 7Cas to the source.- Moussaoui was likewise unable to convincingly explain a t r ip toPakistan last ing from December 2000 unt i l February 2001, in i t ia l lyinforming Agents that this was for " p e r ~ o n a l reasons". He la te rindicated that he was in Pakistan in attempting to find a wife.Recipients will note tha t Moussaoui arrived in the U.S. only 16 daysaf ter leaving Pakistan.

Minneapolis believes tha t Moussaoui and, to a lesEJerextent,I Iwere deceptive in their answers regarding their b 6 perreasons fo re1ng in the U.S. and their involvement in t e rror i s t b 7Cactivit ies.(U} Descriptiye Data on Zacarias Moussaoui

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lloussaoui whose address i s l i s ted on his :!f ~ b 6 per~ ! ~ : s : i s rs o wo n erv e w : ~ stating he was J i ~ ~ ~ I J ~ k s b 7 Cof immigration authorit ies in general b e c a u ~ e of a problem he hadin the UK in 1993 while t ravel ing on his identi ty card provided bythe French Consulate in London. Moussaoui indicated that he wasquestioned extensively by UK immigration authorit ies who believedhe was Algerian, despite his possession of valid French documents.Moussaoui related that he was saved from this difficulty only througha friend's acquaintance with a French Senator who interceded on hisbehalf, but whose name he could not recall .(U) Moussaoui indicated that he works in the OK as afreelance marketing researcher. When asked i f this was his sole

source of income, he indicated that he also works "here and there".When asked what that involved, Mous'saoui at length referred to abusiness ini t ia t ive with an Indonesian telephone card company, butstated that i t d ~ d not work out. He was unable give even anapproximate figure for his annual income, claiming that he did notpay taxes in the UK in 2000.(U) He also indicated that he earns some income fromrelatives in Saudi Arabia. When asked in what capacity this occurs,Moussaoui indicated that i t is "absolutely legal , but private".When asked how a business venture could be private, Moussaoui begandescribing his family connections in Saudi Aa:'abia without attemptingto answer the question. While being pressed to describe the natureof the business, Moussaoui stated that he was trying to arrange the"import-export of some product". At length, Moussaoui indicatedthat the product was grape leaves which he wished to export fromthe South of France to Saudi Arabia, but that this venture had notbeen successful ei ther .(U) Moussaoui advised that his employment in connectionwith marketing research consisted of telephoning people to conductcustomer satisfaction interviews on behalf of various corporationswho contract with his employer for this service. Moussaoui indicatedthat the name of the company he worked for was NOP, located in London,but could not recal l what the in i t ia ls stood for, being able to stateonly that the "N" represented National. When questioned about this ,Moussaoui became angry and began l is t ing his academic qualifications,including a Master's Degree in International Business from SouthbankUniversity and an advanced degree in Commerce and Technology from

the "Institute of Export", both believed to be' located in the OK.{ U - ) - - - - - - ~ Among the documents contained in his passport folderwhich he presented to INS Agents was a slip from Barclays Bank PLC,

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Dulwich Group, 223/229 Rye Lane, Peckham, London SE15 : ~ telephone b 6 per0171-6396411 with the words, "Savings, a/c No.I ____ lwrit tenon i t . I t is not known i f Moussaoui is the account: o er on this b 7 Caccount, but Minneapolis considers i t l ikely.(U) Moussaoui indicated that he is a French citizen,having been born in France to Moroccan parents . When asked why heresides in the UK, Moussaoui indicated that he was educated thereand l ikes the qualit ies of the British people. He indicated thatin his absence from the UK, his f la t is being sub-letted by friends.He was unable to name any specifical ly, but indicated that mostof his friends in London are restaurant employees of Moroccan originand that they are on the lower end of the f inancial scale.

Wl ~ Moussaoui also indicated that he has a close friendof P a k i s t ~ i " o r i g i n who resides in Londr .. yen f i r s t interviewed, b6 perhe stated that his fr iend's nickname w a ~ - _ but that he was unable b 7Cto remember his true name.Q an 1.ntervir g o n d u c t e ~ the nextday MQussaoui indicated tha was actual ly_ . phonetic)and that he lived in London an worked as an executive for a. largeDutch Company whose name he could not recal l .(UJ- .. ~ ~ - ~ - ~ ~ ~ - ~ .. a : ~ : : : ~ ~ ; i ~ ~ a ~ ! ~ ~ r : f t i;o ~ ~ t c o u n t ~ ~ o t ~ e ~ r ! : i o u s

examination of Moussaoui's French Passport showed that he enteredPakistan on 12/09/2000 and exited on 02/07/2001 and that he had done b6 perso using Pakistani Visa l li ssued by the High Commission for b 7CPakistan in Lqndon on 12/04/2000. Moussaoui indicated that currentpassport was a r ~ c e n t l y issued replacement for one which had gonethrough the washing machine.(U) Moussaoui stated that he attended the Regent's ParkMosque in London and a small mosque near the University of Oklahomawhile in Norman. He advised that 'he considers himself a religiousMuslim, but became. very agitated when asked i f , on the basis of hisre-ligious beliefs, there are any particular Islamic scholars hefollows. He claimed that "things are very clear for bim" and thathe is able to think for himself. Moussaoui indicated that he followsthe Islamic practice of praying five times per day and of helpinghis Muslim brothers. He i n d i c ~ t e d that with regard to studyingFatwas (Islamic religious decrees), he is unable to read Arabic,only to speak i t , and that this precludes his abi l i ty understandthem.(U) Minneapolis believes that Moussaoui is an Islamicextremist preparing for some future act in furtherance of radicalfundamentalist goals. The numerous inconsistencies in_his story,

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his two month long t r ip to Pakistan which ended less than three weeksbefore coming to the u.s., and his inab i l i ty to explain his sourceof f inancial support a l l give cause to believe. he. is conspir ing tocommit a t e r ror i s t act , especial ly when th l s jnfonnafion i s combinedwith his extremist views as described by b6 per{UJ ................... : - ~ : : ~ ~ ~ ~ - ~ l ~ i ~ ~ h : r ~ i : ~ : ~ e ~ n f ~ t ; h ~ e ~ ~ : n ~ ~ a ~ ~ ~ ~ n ~ ~ n J= b 7 C

Kennedy ai rpor t during his t ra ining a t Pan Am, there i s reason tobelieve tha t PtXoussaoui ' s plan has elements rooted in_ the UK and tha the has associates there who are ass is t ing him.Co> &eauest of Minneapolis

-{Uf-------------------- .. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ~ Minneapolis requests fu l l ident i fying informationbe provided on Moussaoui and any associa tes res iding in the OK whocan be ident i f ied in connection with his ac t iv i t ies described above.Information which wil l be par t icu lar ly beneficial to Minneapolisinvestigation includes the following:- Names of associates known to be involved with radica l IslamicFundamentalist causes.- Information on Moussaoui's sources of f inancial support andprevious employment. - Additional foreign t ravel from the UK by Moussaoui which does notappear in his replacement passport . -Information on previous contact with Moussaoui by secur i ty servicesor law enforcement in the OK.- Information regarding education and t raining received by Moussaouiin the UK.

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In Reply, Please Refer toFileNo.

U.S. Department of JusticeFedeJ:al Bureau of

Minneapolis, MinnesotaAugust 19, 2001

MOUSSAOUI, ZACARIAS;IT - OTHER(U) This document is classified by paragraph.(U) Nature of investigation: International Terrorism(U) Reqt;est of Minneapolis: Provide identifying information oncaptioned s.ubject and any information pertaining to his backgroundand known associates connected with radical Islamic causes.(U) Investigative Summary

!U) H ~ This investigation was ini t ia ted after M i n n e a ~ o l i sreceived information that zacarias Moussaoui, born l l inI I France, was in the process of receiving simu atortraining in th e Boeing 747-400 aircraft a t M i n n e ~ p o l i s . What madethis unusual is that Moussaoui was not api lot and had minimal aviationexperience. ..... - - ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ - ~ ~ g ~ e t ~ : ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Y c : ~ t : ~ i ~ ~ i ~ ~ ~ : : s t ~ ~ t ~ ~ ~ g s t : u ~ a ~ ~ ~ ! Y tot rain airl ine pilots from a l l over the world. Training conductedthere consists exclusively of in i t i a l training for newly hiredairl ine pilots, or update/refresher training given to active air l inepi lots . In both cases, the typical student holds a Federal AviationAdministration (FAA) Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) rat ing or foreignequivalent, is employed by an air l ine , and has several thousand f l ighthours.{U) . H ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ c t M ~ t : ~ a : : f ~ c ~ ~ ~ ~ s n ~ ~ ; c J u a ~ ~ r ~ b 1 ~ e M ~ ~ ; i ~ r ; ~ ~ r ~ ~and had paid $8,000-$9,000 dollars in cash for training on the Boeing747 Model 40 0 aircraft simulator.

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variety of aircraft , was subsequently interviewed regardingMoussaoui. The instructor is a contract employee of Pan Am who1U) t ravels to Minneapolis in order to t rain students and has been doing\ ... so for several years. He characterized Moussaoui as unlike any other.. student with whom he has worked. ~ T h e instructor described Moussaoui as a Middle Eastern male, ag e 30-40,5'9"-5'11" in height with a heavy build and a trimmed beard. Heindicated that he spoke French-accented English and advised thathe was very amiable. The instructor noted tha t Moussaoui wasextremely re t icent in discussing his background, but did indicatethat he had been bornin the South of France, but was now l iv ingin London, England.

HJ) ... ~ The instructor noted tha t although Moussaoui lackedaviation experience and knowledge, there were cer ta in systems onthe 747-400 in which he was part icularly interested. Although theinstructor himself brought the subject up, he indicated Moussaouiwas extremely interested in the ai rcraf t doors and the i r operation.He indicated tha t Moussaoui seemed surprised to learn that the doorscannot normally be opened in f l ight because of the pressurizationof the cabin of the ai rcraf t .

- ( U ~ . . . ...... - ~ The other system in which Moussaoui was interestedwas the Mode Control Panel (MCP) . This is the portion of theai rcraf t ' s avionics suite which controls the ai rcraf t when flyingin an automated mode and what allows the 747-400 S e ~ i e s ai rcraf tto have a two-person f l ight crew as opposed to ear l ier models whichrequired additional pi lo ts . The instructor indicated that a t thetime they did their one simulator session, Moussaoui already knewhow to operate the MCP from previous study. For information, theinstructor explained tha t the level of automation provided by theMCP gives the 747-400 the abi l i ty to fly , navigate, and in some modesland in a fully automated manner.Wl .. .... - ~ The instructor s ta ted that for his upcominghigh-fidelity simulator sessions, Moussaoui sta ted that he would"love" to f ly a simulated f l ight from Heathrow Airport in England,to John F. Kennedy airpor t in New York, to include a l l navigationand communications. He offered no explanation as to why he wishedto do this . The instructor was also aware tha t Moussaoui wasinte'rested in booking addit ional simulator sessions af ter he finishedhis currently scheduled syllabus.(U) Investigation by Minneapolis Joint Terrorism Task

Force (JTTF) Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) SpecialAgents revealed the following information regarding Moussaoui an d b6 per ICthe individual b e l i e v ~ d to be t raveling with him,J Ib 7C2

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- Moussaoui, a resident of the United Kingdom, traveling on Frenchpassport #I I entered the U.S. at Chicago, I l l inois on b 6 IC02/23/2001 on a v1sa waiver. Under the terms of the visa waiver perprogram, citizens of certain countries may enter the U.S. withoutb7Capplying for a visa, however they are allowed to remain in the U.S.for no more than 90 days from- the date of entry. According the INSrecords, Moussaoui was admitted to the U.S. only unt i l 05/22/2001an d was therefore in an overstay sta tus and subject to arres t anytime af ter th is date.-I

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any further training on the Boeing 747-400 ai rcraf t un t i l he could b 6 erbe interviewed and his true intentions determined. When arrested, PMoussaoui was armed with a small sheathed knife in his pocket and b7Cadmitted fhat a larger folding-blade knife found under the seat o f I _car was his .

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(U} Subsequent interviews of both men and a consensual b 6 per ICsearch of the effects ofl jrevealed the following: b7C-1 I during an interview on the evening of 08/16/2001,described Moussaoui's bel iefs as having character is t ics known tobe consistent with those held by radical Islamic Fundamentalists. b6 per ICHe also admitted that Moussaoui i s preparing himself to f ight andb7Chas expressed approval of martyrs in the past.- During this same interview,! !indicated that Moussaoui'hel i eves jhat i t is acceptable to ki l l civil ians who harm Muslims. b6 per ICI _was also asked i f he had ever heard Moussaoui make a plan : ki l l ;re who ba:rm Muslims and in so doing become a martyr himself. b 7 C[_ ___ dmitted that he may have heard him do so, but tha t because1 1s no 1n his own heart to carry out acts of th is nature, he claimedtha t he kept himself from actually hearing and understanding.- In a sworn statement signed on 08/17/2001J !indicated tha tb6 per ICMoussaoui, whom he knows as Shaqil, would harm "non-believers",described as Jews and Christians, secretly i f he believed they wereb7Charming Muslims.

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- Moussaoui was unable to give a convincing explanation for his payingPan Am $8,300 for 747-400 training. Although he indicated tha t hehad completed approximately so hours of instruction in l ight ai rcraf tat a flying school in Norman, Oklahoma, his level of aviationexperience was in no way adequate to qualify him for th is training.His continued insistence tha t th is was indulging a desire for a"joy ride" clashed with the seriousness with which he was studyingand preparing and his anxiousness to return to th is when releasedfrom INS custody. When arrested, he had among his belongings severalBoeing 747-400 Flight Manuals and is believed to have been makingprovisions to acquire additional data about th is ai rcraf t throughelectronic means.- Moussaoui had no convincing explanation for the large sums of moneyknown to have been in his possession during his time in the UnitedStates. For information, upon arrival in the U.S. he is known tohave opened a checking account with a deposit of $32,000 at a bankin Norman, Oklahoma. Minneapolis opines tha t Moussaouis incomefrom his self-described employment as a freelance telemarketer inthe UK would not be adequate to allow him to spend $8,300 for aviationtrainina no value to his stated goal of becoming a pi lo t . AlthoughI _indicated tha t he is aware that Moussaoui receives money b6 per FBfrom overseas via a bank in Norman, Oklahoma, he had no information b7Cas to the source.- Moussaoui was likewise unable to convincingly explain a t r ip toPakistan last ing from December 2000 unt i l February 200l, in i t ia l lyinforming Agents that this was for "personal reasons". He l a terindicated that he was in .Pakistan in attempting to find a wife.Recipients will note that Moussaoui arrived in the U.S. only l6 daysaf ter leaving Pakistan.extent! were deceptive in their answers regarding their b6 perITT; linneapolis believes that Moussaoui and, to a lesserreasons for e1ng in the u.s. and their involvement in t e rror i s t b7Cact ivi t ies.(U) Descriptive Data on Zacarias Moussaoui

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.LU) -------------------------------. h ~ The following information was obtained throughinterview of Moussaoui or from documents he presented the INS Agentsupon his arrest .

(U) Moussaoui, whose address is l is ted on his or: d ~ i ~ i ,l icense I I as I !Londonl _ b 6 per ICbegan his f i r s t of two interviews by stating he was highly susp c ous b 7c4

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of immigration authorit ies in general because of a problem he hadin the UK in 1993 while traveling on his identi ty card provided bythe French Consulate in London. Moussaoui indicated that he wasquestioned extensively by UK immigration authorit ies who believedhe was Algerian, despite his possession of valid French documents.Moussaoui related that he was saved from this difficulty only through.a friend's acquaintance with a French Senator who interceded on.hisbehalf, but whose name he could not recal l .(U) Moussaoui indicated that he works in the UK as afreelance marketing researcher. When asked i f this was his solesource of income, he indicated that he also works "here and there".When asked what that involved, Moussaoui at length referred to abusiness ini t ia t ive with an Indonesian telephone card company, but

stated that i t did not work out. He was unable to give even anapproximate figure for his annual income, claiming that he did notpay taxes in the UK in 2000.(U) He also indicated that he earns some income fromrelatives in Saudi Arabia. When asked in what capacity this occurs,Moussaoui indicated that; i t is "absolutely legal , but privat;e".When asked how a ;business venture could be private, Moussaoui begandescribing his family connections in Saudi Arabia without attemptingto answer the question. While being pressed to describe the natureof the business, Moussaoui stated that he was trying to arrange the"import-export of some product". At length, Moussaoui indicatedthat the product wasgrape leaves which he wished to export fromthe South of France to Saudi Arabia, but that this venture had not

been successful ei ther .(U) Moussaoui advised that his employment in connectionwith marketing research consisted of telephoning people to conductcustomer satisfaction i n ~ e r v i e w s on behalf of various corporationswho contract with his employer for this service. Moussaoui indicatedthat the name of the company he worked for was NOP, located in London,but could not recall what the in i t ia ls stood for, being able to stateonly that the "N" represented National. When questioned about th is ,Moussaoui became angry and began l is t ing his academic qualif icat ions,including a Master's Degree in International Business from SouthbankUniversity and an advanced degree in Commerce and Technology fromthe "Institute of Export", both believed to be located in the UK.(U) Moussaoui indicated that he is a French ci t izen, having been born inFrance to Moroccan parents. He indicated that he had avoided beingdrafted into the French Army as a resul t of unspecified familyproblems and the fact that he was studying for a degree at the time.He indicated that he had no weapons training of any kind, but thathe had shot handguns once or twice in France with friends whose names5

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he could not recall . Moussaoui stated that he would l ike to learnto use weapons as he is curious about them, but repeated that hehas never previously been taught to use one. Minneapolis opinesthat Moussaoui was being deceptive in stating that he has never beentrained in the use of weapons based on his reaction to the questions.(U) Moussaoui advised that he has no criminal record inPrance, and that his "f i le is clear". Moussaoui stated that he hasnever been in a i l in Prance or estioned b an securi t or olice

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{U) Minneapolis believes that Moussaoui is an ~ s l a m i cextremist preparing for some future act in furtherance of radicalfundamentalist goals. The numerous inconsistencies in his story,his two month long t r ip to Pakistan which ended less than three weeksbefore coming to the u.s., and his inabil i ty to explain his sourceof financial support a l l give cause to believe he is conspiring tocommit a terror ist act, especially when tr ; n : : : ~ t i o n is combinedwith his extremist views as described by I Further, based b6 peron his French citizenship and connections 1n a country, there b7Cis reason to believe that he has associates or family members residingin France who are assist ing him.

(U} Request of Minneapolit(U) Minneapolis requests ful l identifying informationbe provided on Moussaoui and any associates and family membersresiding in France who can be identified in connection with hisact ivi t ies described above. Information which will be particularlybeneficial to Minneapolis' investigation includes the following:

-Names of associates and relatives known to be involved with radicalIslamic Fundamentalist causes.- Information on Moussaoui's sources of f inancial support andprevious employment.- Confirmation of his French ci t izenship and foreign travel fromFrance during the time'he resided there.

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- Information on previous contact with Moussaoui by security servicesor law enforcement in Prance, especially any information with abearing on why he would choose to reside outside Prance.- Information regar

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