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509THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF PAKISTAN

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PROCEEDINGSOF

THE SPECIAL COMMITTEE OF THEWHOLE HOUSE HELD IN CAMERA

TO CONSIDER THE QADIANI ISSUE.----------

OFFICIAL REPORT

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Thursday, the 8th August. 1974.

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The Special Committee of the Whole House of the

National Assembly of Pakistan met in Camera in the

Assembly Chamber, (State Bank Building), Islamabad, at

ten of the clock, in the morning. Mr. Chairman (Sahibzada

Farooq Ali) in the Chair.

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(Recition from the Holy Quran)

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510PROGRAMME FOR SITTINGS OF THE

SPECIAL COMMITTEE

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just want to tell the honourable members that we have

finalised the programme to some extent. The Assembly will

sit up to 13th because, on the 14th we are laying the

foundation stone of National Assembly Building. So, it

would have been very inconvenient for the members if, after

the break on the 10th, the members would have gone; and if

they had not come to attend the ceremony, which is mostly

for the Members of the National Assembly, it would have

placed us in an awkward position. So upto 13th the

Assembly will continue. We will finish......

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Maulana Shah Ahmad Noorani Siddiqi: 14th?

The invitation will be issued by the Speaker of National

Assembly?

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nnnn]]]]********YYYYgggg~~~~GGGGYYYY`????((((Mr. Chairman: No, it will be, the invitation will

be by the Minister-in-Charge of C.D.A. because they are

piloting it. That was my proposal. They are building it, so

the invitation should go from them. Indirectly, it is our

function....

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Maulana Shah Ahmad Noorani Siddiqui:

Indirectly, we are the hosts?

!!!!****ZZZZ!!!!****yyyy????(((( ********{{{{ZZZZggggZZZZjjjj:::: ))))Mr. Chairman: .... and indirectly, we are the

hosts. So, we will complete the examination of Mirza Nasir

Ahmad and of Lahori Party. If we complete it by 10th, on

the 11th is Sunday. On 12th or 13th, we can meet as

National Assembly. So, we won't be missing those two days;

we would utilize those two days and then the break of a week

or ten days can be after 14th. Instead of 10th to 20th, it will

be from 14th to 21st or 22nd or 23rd.

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Prof. Ghafoor Ahmad: The Assembly and

Special Committee both?

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Special Committee both?

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Mr. Chairman: The Special Committee and

Assembly both, because both are running side by side. The

preference is given to this work... the Special Committee.

And we will know from the Attorney- General as to how

long, after today's sitting, we need to sit. After every day's

work we survey the work and this might we will again survey

the work as to how long we will take. Then we will call the

Lahori party. And I think we will be able to finish by the end

of this week. I think so. I think this programme is agreed to

everyone?

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Members: Yes. YYYY;;;;VVVV!!!!(((( ZZZZggggZZZZWWWW:::: ))))Mr. Chairman: Thank you very much.

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MESSAGE OF THANKS FROM SENATE AND

NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF TURKEY FOR

SUPPORT ON CYPRUS ISSUE

Mr. Chairman: I have received messages of

thanks from the Chairman, from the President of Senate

and from the Speaker of National Assembly of Turkey, and

thanks to all the members. They have desired that their

thanks may be conveyed to all the Members of this National

Assembly, for their support, for their good wishes and........

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Maulana Shah Ahmad Noorani: Point of

information, Sir.

Mr. Chairm an: . . . . and they have a lso

reciprocated the same.


Thanks for what?

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message we sent on the Cyprus issue.

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STEERING COMMITTEE MEETINGS


What about the Steering Committee, Sir?

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What about the steering Committee? Are you going to fix

some date....

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Mr. Chairman: What? HHHH????(((( [[[[}}}}:::: ))))Maulana Shah Ahmad Noorani Siddiqui:

....for the Steering Committee?

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The entire House 8888----wwww))))7777XXXXYYYYggggZZZZ]]]]9999BBBBWWWWdiscussed all the matters.

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there is need, the Steering Committee can meet at any time.

There is no restriction. If you like, after this break for lunch,

you can meet in the evening at any time. That is up to the

House.

Yes, Mian Mahmud Ali Kasuri.

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THE PARLIAMENT HOUSE

Mian Mahmud Ali Kasuri: Mr. Speaker, Sir,....

oh!.... Mr. Chairman, Sir, I wanted to know if the President

has been invited for the National Assembly stone- laying

foundation laying ceremony; and if he is going to be

present, is he going to lay the foundation stone?

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(Interruption)

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Has he been invited? And if he has been invited, is

he going to lay the foundtion stone?

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Mr. Chairman: I have already told that the

invitation have been sent by the Minister-in-Charge.

~~~~CCCC[[[[VVVVzzzziiiikkkk,,,,]]]]********)))){{{{ZZZZcccc****(((( [[[[}}}}:::: ))))Mian Mahmud Ali Kasuri: No, no, Mr. Speaker,

Sir. Sir, Mr. Chairman, Sir, that will have an important

effect. If the Head of the State is in the town.... and I am told

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that he is issuing invitations for the reception.... then we

would like to know: is he going to be present at this

function? And if he is going to be insulted like this, then

some of us may not come.

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Mr. Chairman: No, no, these remarks should not

be made. 77777777XXXXZZZZ,,,,ggggZZZZgggg7777eeee(((( [[[[}}}}:::: ))))Mian Mahmud Ali Kasuri: No, no, but I want to

convey the sentiments of some of the members at least to

you. And I am sure the whole House will like the....

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Mr. Chairman: No, I would....

Mian Mahmud Ali Kasuri: ....Head of the State

to be respected to the utmost.

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ADJOURNMENT OF THE SPECIAL

COMMITTEE

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Mr. Chairman: That we will see after this or we

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Mr. Chairman: That we will discuss in Mirpur,

Mangla. zzzz{{{{eeee]]]]BBBB That is all at the convenience of thehonourable members. If they like, we can discuss it in the

chamber.

Should we call them? Mr. Attorney- General are you

prepared?

Yes, call them.

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TIME FOR ANSWERING QUESTIONS

Sardar Moula Bakhsh Soomro: Sir, the

explanation that he gives should not go beyond 5 or 10

minutes; and for the "Hawala", when the books are

available, he should not be given time that. I will read my

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put off to the next day, think today. And explanation should

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Mr. Chairman: Haji Sahib, it varies from

question to question. There are certain questions which

should be replied to there and then; certain explanation

should be there and then. But there are certain things which

have to be searched out.

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ADMITTANCE OF VISITORS DURING

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Mr. Chairman: I would request only one thing to

the Members. While coming to attend this secret session,

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Assembly buildings. It has caused us a lot of inconvenience.

And the responsibility is of all of us collectively. There have

been certain cases- reported- where people have even

quarrelled with the security people while coming inside the

gate. I think it should be discouraged and it should be

stopped altogether for two or three days. Then we can have

it. Yes Maulana Ghulam Ghaus Hazarvi.

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REPETITION OF ARGUMENTS BY THE

WITNESS

Sahibzada Ahmad Raza Khan Qasuri: Mr.

Chairman, for the last two, three days, what I am noticing is

that the witness is repreating his statement again and again,

and not only repeating his oral statement, but sometimes he

quotes same books again and again. We are not have to be

taught what Ahmadi faction is; and he is not have to preach

to us. So I think, being the Chairman of this Committee, you

should see to it that the repetition does not take place.

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