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Work in Progress August 15, 2012 Reporter: Doug Tolbert The parking lot was crowded, shared with happy citizens of Fullerton enjoying a summer evening in the park, causing several members to park “up the hill” in the secondary lot. President Bill Schultheis reported that the new Fullerton Senior Center is nearing completion and we will soon have to consider whether to remain at our current meeting location or to return to the new facility. Various opinions on the returning to the Senior Center were offered from the floor, and the possibility of organizing a “field trip” to explore the new facility was suggested, but no conclusions were reached. Stay tuned for more on the new facility and a possible exploratory field trip in coming months. Webmaster Doug Tolbert reports that Kevin Hudson’s latest video, Introduction to Lathe turning, is now available on the SMA website (www.shipmodelersassociation.org ), joining Kevin’s earlier Flag Making video on the research room. Instructions for viewing the videos can be found on the website’s home page, but you must be an active SMA member to see them. When you go to the website to see Kevin’s video, you’ll also notice our new home page! For a less cluttered appearance, news items on the home page are now represented only by their headlines. To read an item, click the “Details ” link following each headline. You can dismiss the item detail by clicking the “Close ” link at the bottom. (See next page – Ed.) The SMA Plan Collection, previously held by our late friend Bill Wicks, has moved to the custody of SMA Newsletter Volume 39, Number 8, Sept. 2012 Contacts President: Bill Schultheis (714) 366-7602 E-Mail [email protected] Vice President: John Simmons (626) 339-5151 E-Mail [email protected] Secretary: Paul Payne (310) 544-1461 Treasurer: Mike DiCerbo (714) 523-2518 15320 Ocaso Ave, #DD204, La Mirada, CA. 90630 Editor, Don Dressel (909) 949-6931 908 W. 22 nd Street Upland, CA 91784-1229 E-mail: [email protected] Web Manager: Doug Tolbert: (949) 644-5416 Web Site www.shipmodelersassociation.org Meeting – Wed., Sept. 19, 7 PM, Red Cross Building, 1207 N. Lemon, Fullerton, CA. 92832 Officers meeting – Wed., Oct. 3, 2012, 7 PM, Bob Beech’s house, 130 Clove Pl., Brea, CA. 92821 – (714) 529-1481. 1

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Work in Progress August 15, 2012

Reporter: Doug Tolbert

The parking lot was crowded, shared with happy citizens of Fullerton enjoying a summer evening in the park, causing several members to park “up the hill” in the secondary lot. President Bill Schultheis reported that the new Fullerton Senior Center is nearing completion and we will soon have to consider whether to remain at our current meeting location or to return to the new facility. Various opinions on the returning to the Senior Center were offered from the floor, and the possibility of organizing a “field trip” to explore the new facility was suggested, but no conclusions were reached. Stay tuned for more on the new facility and a possible exploratory field trip in coming months. Webmaster Doug Tolbert reports that Kevin Hudson’s latest video, Introduction to Lathe turning, is now available on the SMA website (www.shipmodelersassociation.org), joining Kevin’s earlier Flag Making video on the research room. Instructions for viewing the videos can be found on the website’s home page, but you must be an active SMA member to see them. When you go to the website to see Kevin’s video, you’ll also notice our new home page! For a less cluttered appearance, news items on the home page are now represented only by their headlines. To read an item, click the “Details” link following each headline. You can dismiss the item detail by clicking the “Close” link at the bottom. (See next page – Ed.) The SMA Plan Collection, previously held by our late friend Bill Wicks, has moved to the custody of SMA

Newsletter

Volume 39, Number 8, Sept. 2012

Contacts

President: Bill Schultheis (714) 366-7602

E-Mail [email protected] Vice President: John Simmons

(626) 339-5151 E-Mail [email protected]

Secretary: Paul Payne (310) 544-1461

Treasurer: Mike DiCerbo (714) 523-2518

15320 Ocaso Ave, #DD204, La Mirada, CA. 90630

Editor, Don Dressel (909) 949-6931

908 W. 22nd Street Upland, CA 91784-1229

E-mail: [email protected] Web Manager: Doug Tolbert:

(949) 644-5416 Web Site

www.shipmodelersassociation.org

Meeting – Wed., Sept. 19, 7 PM, Red Cross Building, 1207 N.

Lemon, Fullerton, CA. 92832

Officers meeting – Wed., Oct. 3, 2012, 7 PM, Bob Beech’s house, 130 Clove Pl., Brea, CA. 92821 –

(714) 529-1481.

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stalwart Bob Beech. Contact Bob, or any SMA officer, if you’d like to review the collection. We were joined by new member Richard Shirley and visitor Steve Haskell. Steve was referred to the SMA by central California member Chris Coyle. Steve has started his first build, coincidently the Lady Nelson currently being built by members of the Mayflower Group. Steve was quickly introduced to John Bakker who hosts the Mayflower Group on Sunday afternoons following our regular meeting. Russian Submarine Akula –Burt Goldstein

Burt acquired his latest cardstock offering of Akula, a Russian nuclear attack submarine, from Modelarstwo Okretowe, a Russian language website )http://www.modelarstwookretowe.pl/). Fifteen Akula-class subs (translated to Shark) were first launched in 1986, and only 10 are currently thought to be in service. Burt reports that the 366 foot long sub could make 35 knots underwater and descend to a maximum depth of 1475 feet. The bumps on the hull are temperature and salinity sensors. A black hull gives these subs an

ominous appearance, but Bert finds that the dark color obscures hull details on the paper model he built. You can read more about the NATO-designed Typhoon class submarines on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akula class submarines). Your reporter found naming of the class a little confusing in the Wikipedia article – see if you can figure it out! Sea Bird Yawl – Paul Alkon Paul brought us a partially completed Sea Bird. Plans for this 25’ 7 ½ “ yawl were first published in the October 1901 issue of Rudder Magazine. Editor Capt. Thomas Day had the Sea Bird designed as a center board ship by C. D. Mower. In 1904, a fixed keel Sea Bird design appeared and later a 34’ enlarged version called Seagoer. Plans for both versions and another called Naiad were published in a $2.00 pamphlet How to Build a Cruising Yawl.

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Working alone in Long Beach for 18 months, photographer Harry Pidgeon completed a slightly modified Seagoer in 1919. In it, he became the second solo circumnavigator, following the footsteps of Joshua Slocum. Pidgeon narrates his voyage in Around the World Single-handed: The Cruise of the Islander (1932). Paul’s 1:24 scale Sea Bird is modified from a Pleasant Cove Kit designed by Ron Ginger purchased in 1993; the kit is no longer available. Paul’s modifications include replacing the kit’s single deck-to-chine and chine-to-keel planks with 3/16” planking, a planked deck replacing the period canvassed deck and an improved rudder post and tiller. Confederacy – Clyde Emerson

Clyde brought in an old SMA friend on this summer evening – his 1:64 scratch-build Confederacy. This beautiful model has been seen at a number of exhibitions since its completion in 1998, including a first place award in the model ship division at the San Diego County Fair’s Design in Wood show that year. From Clyde’s pre-CNC days, the model is based on Father William Romero’s unpublished practicum and includes cannon purchased from Romero. Pau marfim frames and planked with lemonwood while pear, boxwood and ebony

complete the hull materials inventory. The case is scratch-built from cherry. Some scrollwork was provided by SMA member Bill Amour via CNC techniques, and the pedestals were turned on a Sherline lathe. HMS Fly – Mike Lonnecker Mike’s HMS Fly continues to progress nicely. Scratch-built following David Antscherl and Greg Herbert’s four-volume set of books and plans for the 6th rate Swan class of 1776, Mike’s model is built of all boxwood at 1:48. The cant frames are installed and faired, and Mike has recently installed 50 full frames, with 26 more to go. Small, hand-made planking clamps and Jorgenson clamps to assist assembly, based on design by Ed Tosti (http://www.modelshipbuilder.com), were constructed with purchased threaded rod and

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knurled nuts. HMS Buckingham – Doug Tolbert

Doug related his experiences acquiring artifacts from the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich for a new project, HMS Buckingham. There were four Buckingham’s built throughout the 18th century, and the third, launched in 1751, had the most interesting career. Based on the Establishment of 1745, Buckingham was one of the last of the 70 gun third rates that preceded the popular 74’s of the late 18th and early 19th centuries. HMM offers original body and shear plan drawings used for all seven

members of this class on their website. Two contemporary paintings of the ship are also available – one of the hull with launching flags at Deptford and another of Buckingham in action at sea. Other contemporary NMM drawings of sister ships Northumberland and Oxford provide deck furniture, stern galleries, and internal layouts. A few Lieutenants’ logs from the Buckingham are available as well, but Doug has yet to investigate them. USS New Jersey (BB-16) – Don Dressel Don completed his 1:350 scale resin kit model of the USS New Jersey, representing her with the early cage masts prior to her conversions in later life. The boats, air vent crawls, guns, railings and other details were incorporated on to the model. There was some problem with the anchors, as only two of the four required were provided. Commander Models, however, when contacted, provided promptly the missing parts free of charge, which indicated that they back their models and replace any missing or damaged parts with no problems. The rigging was also completed after a number of trials which added considerably to the appearance of the model. An American flag was finally produced using tissue paper and the computer to print the flag, as it was too small to us the “Gus Agustin” method. The case is being prepared of 1/8” plastic with a wooden base to complete the model.

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Open Mouth Junk – Robert Hewitt

Mayang, a town in Hunan province, has given its name to a large and important family of junks. They were first designed to navigate the formidable rapids of the Yuan River. Several varieties have evolved, but the “Open Mouth” is said by the junkmen to be the prototype from which they all have sprung. It is therefore a highly important link in the history of junk building in the Upper and Middle Yangtze rivers. All of these are heavy, cumbersome, deep drought cargo carriers. There are five heavy beams

built into the structure of the vessel. The junk is fitted with a true balanced rudder typical of the Upper Yangtze River craft. Longitudinal strength is provided by two heavy wales which run side by side throughout the length of the junk. These junks are mostly used to transport wood oil in large oil-proof baskets. From G. R. G. Worcester’s classis Junks and Sampans of the Yangtze River (Naval Institute Press), Robert’s 45th model represents a 90 foot junk with a beam of nineteen feet, scaled at one inch to twenty feet. Brazilian Castillo boxwood from Hobby Mill was used. The model was built as the real junks with thirteen bulkheads attached to a flat floor. A former was made to arrive at the correct shape of the bow and stern. The planks were soaked in water and bent over an old-fashioned curling iron. The limits of bending a plank were exceeded in the stern area and some waviness occurred. Although not on the plans, a “stick-in-the-mud” anchor and its square boxed-in form of a naval pipe have been added to the bow. The finished hull was treated with a coat of tung oil. SS-1 Stealth SWATH Littoral – John Simmons

Continuing his series of interesting conceptual “skunk work” designs for modern military craft, John this month offers his SSL-1 Stealth SWATH (small waterline tri-hull) Littoral at a scale of ½” to 6’ (1:144). A high speed coastal patrol vessel with a 3000 mile range at 50 knots cruising speed, or 500 miles at 100 knot dash speed, the vessel is designed to provide joint force tactical coordination, patrol, intercept enemy craft, provide shore bombardment or anti-aircraft suppress with

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5”/54 rapid fire automatic guns. A 24’ wing span, turbojet propelled, unmanned recue UAV can be launched from the extended aft rail with a pneumatic launcher. UAV recovery is accomplished with a parachute and inflation cushion. Propulsion includes three diesel turbines (1 per underbody hull) with 12 foot, eight-blade high speed submarine-style props. USS Constitution – Bob Riddoch

Bob is currently working on the head rails of his 1:96 kit from Model Shipways. He finally had a breakthrough regarding the rail running from the bottom of the cathead to the stem and is moving forward using ships drawings to create cardstock templates for the rails. Bob expects to soon be “done with this nightmare” that has occupied some 3 months of his time. Coppering is planned for the hull, and John Simmons suggested gammoning the bowsprit before permanently placing the head rails. Bob

reports that he is woefully behind on updating his build log at Model Ship World (http://modelshipworld.com). RMS Titanic – Bob Zmuda Bob has joined the SMA paper modeling community with this free 1:1200 scale model from Currell Graphics (http://www.currell.net). Bob finds the small parts very challenging at this scale but was able to add extra life boats so that everyone might escape this time. To correct some paleness in colors, Bob suggests darkening colors before printing. A spirited discussion of Titanic anecdotes followed with active participation from the audience. We noted that the aft funnel was a dummy added to compete with other contemporary vessels. And Robert Hewitt pointed out the current Titanic exhibit at the Balboa Park museum in San Diego. Visitors to the exhibit receive a passport on entry that tells them, at the exit, whether they lived or died.

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       Burt Goldstein’s Russian Submarine Akula                                   Paul Alkon’s Sea Bird Yawl           Clyde Emerson’s Confederacy                                                     Mike Lonnecker’s HMS Fly 

     Mike Lonnecker’s planking & Jorgenson clamps                        Don Dressel’s USS New Jersey (BB‐16) 

 

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         Robert Hewitt’s Open Mouth Junk                                       John Simmon’s SSL‐1 Stealth SWATH Littoral           Bob Riddoch’s USS Constitution                                                    Bob Zmuda’s RMS Titanic 

 

 

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By Don Dressel 

Old Salts in Port: John Bakker, Don Dressel, Greg Wilcox, Steve Jones, Mike DeCirbo 

Ship in Port:  Lady Nelson, Scottish Maid, San Felipe, Mystique, Ranger and about 30 little “folk art” ship models. 

The meeting started off with Don Dressel talking about the plans of the Mystique that he had researched a little bit for John Bakker.  There is a beautiful set of plans in the Souvenirs De Marine Conservés by Vice‐Admiral Paris, Tome 1, page 70 and 71.  Clarification of a lot of the rigging is the main support that these drawings provide.  Don then did conducted a brief synopsis of the glass case that Greg Wilcox had made using wood for the base and 

Plexiglas for the top (more discussed below).  The reason for the discussion was the apparent large size of the case for the Lady Nelson model, but when the model was placed inside the case, it was just the right size.  Models with rigging are much larger than you think! 

Don then showed what he had accomplished on the San Felipe.  The work done was mostly on the stern, some carvings being done, a difficult boxwood molding strip bent onto the stern, and the rudder, pintals and gudgeons made.  Four gunport hinges were also made and using photo‐etched brass and installed on the four stern gunports.  The rudder will not be installed until all the work is done on the stern.  The plans is then to work forward, making all the gunports and gunport hinges, with decorations and other details along the sides of the ship, working toward the bow.  The next big challenge is the windows and railing posts at the stern.   

John Bakker talked about his most recent purchase, a Corel kit model of the USS Ranger.  

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John indicated that so far it is a fun little model to build.  John has only worked on it for one month and already has the basic hull done!  Very nice work, John!  He has a minor problem of making enough models for his family. 

Greg Wilcox then discussed his Scottish Maid and the progress he is making on her, with work being concentrated on the masting at the moment, making his spars from lemon wood instead of using the walnut which was supplied in the kit.  He uses a lathe to produce his spars, which are really turning out nice.  Sanding at the end of the shaping cleans the spars up nicely. 

Greg also talked about making the plastic ship model case for Don and the effort required.  Greg indicated that a wooden framed case would be easier for him to make, not to mention the high cost of plastic these days (a petroleum product).  Don wants to thank Greg for the case, as it is very difficult to obtain a made case today by the plastic companies, if you can find one who will make the case.  All ship models, for their protection, should be kept in cases once completed, as they are almost impossible to clean (especially the rigging) if not installed in a case.   

Steve Jones then talked about the 30 “folk art” models he had brought in.  They were given to him by the wife of a past SMA member.  Some of the models were taken by John Bakker and some more were taken by Mike DiCerbo.  The price was right – they were free.  Any models not taken will be brought to the upcoming SMA meeting next month for anyone who may want them.  They make nice play things for young people. 

More discussions on general and wide ranging topics were done by the group while relaxing in the new leather chairs that John had acquired.  Great coffee and cookies also.  Now if John will fully recover from his back problems things will be excellent!  We hope John will fully recover. 

All in all, another great Sunday afternoon meeting with the Mayflower Group.  Next month more “hints and tips” on model making will be discussed and sources of information and plans will be provided.   

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Distant SMA Member 

By Don Dressel 

Believe it or not, there  are members  of  the SMA  who cannot  attend the  regular  SMA meetings.    One of  them,  Ralph L.  Martin,  sent me  photo’s  and some  details  of his  recent  built of  the  Gertrude L.  Thebaud, which  I  feel warrants  a special  item  in 

the newsletter so his fellow SMA members can enjoy the fine ship modeling work he does.   Ralph  is a retired engineer who lives in Leawood, Kansas and has been modeling since the 1940’s.  Born in Habana, Cuba, he came to the US  in 1956.   He has built a  lot of plastic models and graduated to wooden ships about 9 years ago.  At this time he has built the Dapper Tom, America, Enterprise and several other ship models.  His current interest is models of 1600 through late 1800’s sailing ships. 

The Gertrude L. Thebaud began life as a “folk art” ship model purchased seven years ago in Newport for his son.  It was kept in his son’s office with no case or protection, so recently he asked his father to clean the model.   While  doing  so,  Ralph  discovered  that  the  ship model  he was  cleaning was  called  the Gertrude L. Thebaud.  He did some research and found two drawings at A. J. Fisher mail order, one for the  deck  arrangements, mast  details  and  another  for  rigging.    Upon  receiving  the  drawings,  it was obvious  that  the model was all wrong and build  very poorly.   The decision was made  to  rebuild  the model from the base up. 

The hull dimensions were perfect to a 3/16” scale and it was made of wood with several coats of paint and  varnish.    Everything  above  the  deck,  including  the  deck  planks was  removed,  the model  being completely  rebuilt  to match  the  drawings  and  the  information  in  Chapelle’s  The  American  Fishing Schooners and Jensen’s Bluenose II, Saga of the Great Fishing Schooner.   Other sources were available but these were the best ones.  Ralph also wrote to the Essex Historical Society but never got a reply. 

Ralph had to make and  install new masts, sails, rigging and fittings with everything being scratch built.  Many parts,  like the masts, were built twice since some of the original  information was  incorrect as to 

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length and  tapering.   The  first  few boats  (3) were built three  times since  the size and boat  lines were incorrect.    I  finally  used  the  drawings  from  Bluenose  II.    The  stacked  dories  have  23  parts  and  the exposed dories had 57 parts each.  That does not include the oars, boat graft hooks, small water barrel, 

buckets and fish nets. 

All  new  construction  included deck house and skylight, hatches, mast  booms  and  gaffs, windlass, ship  wheel,  tackles  and  boom guys.    New  additions  were  the bilge  pumps  and  compass.    On the  deck,  a  dressing  cod  table with  a  knife  and  a  small  hand hook was added,  including a  tub, bucket  and  gaffing  hook.    Also, two handmade wood barrels with salt and one short bucket with ice and a scoop and axe were added next  to  the  dressing  table.    The 

original model had two sizes of thread, one black and one dark brown, 24 pins, 43 oversize single blocks and 2 double blocks.  The final model has 5 black size lines and 4 light brown line sizes, 41 pins, 71 single blocks, 24 doubles and 3 triple (of the correct size).  Ralph mentions that three different sizes of blocks were  also  installed  depending on the location of the required block  (the higher up  the mast, the smaller the block).  

Ralph took over four months to rebuilt  the model.    I  think  the pictures  included  with  this article  is a  fine example of the type  of work  that  Ralph  does and  shows what  can  be  done with even a “folk art” model to turn  it  into a real fine example of  what  the  ship  actually looked like.   

The editor hopes  that other “distant” ship model builders and members of  the SMA will submit  their ship modeling efforts for future inclusion in the SMA Newsletter so that their efforts can be shared with the SMA membership.  The editor hopes that Ralph will also build a case for this model so that it does not require cleaning again!  Well done, Ralph! 

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The Naiad Frigate (38) 1797 Volume I  

Drafting and Framing  

Edward J. Tosti (Text, plans and Illustrations) Florence, OR: SeaWatchBooks, LLC, 2012 

Oversized, 9” X 12”, hardcover, 248 pages with over 400 color illustrations 6 sheets of plans (four colors) in rear pocket in 1:60 along with CD 

Photographs, appendices, notes, references Jacketed 

ISBN: 978‐0‐9837532‐2‐3  

This  is  the  second  book  in  the  SeaWatch Books FRIGATES OF THE ROYAL NAVY series, this book details the hull construction of one of  the hardest working class of ships  in  the Royal  Navy  at  the  beginning  of  her  epic struggle with France.   The book starts off with a brief history of the ship,  followed  by  a  brief  synopsis  of  the building  methods  employed.    This  is followed by ongoing chapters giving detailed descriptions  of  the  methods  used  to construct  the  model,  along  with  an explanation  of  the  CAD  drawings,  jigs  and tools used.   Mr.  Tosti  then  goes  into  great  detail  with many  photo’s  provided  of  his  construction of  the  model,  starting  with  the  keel structure and basic joinery.  This is followed by  the  stem  structure,  the bollard  timbers, the knee of the head, sternpost, deadwood, hawse  timbers,  stern  transom  and  hull framing.   The  hull  framing  encompasses making  and erecting  cant  frames  followed  by  making and  erecting  square  frames.   He  then  goes into lower hull detailing, finishing, and lower hull  metalwork,  including  making  and installing the rudder braces.    The installation of the keelson and internal planking is next fully covered. 

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There  is  a  full  chapter  on one  of  the  more  difficult aspects  of  wooden  ship construction, the framing of the  stern.    As  with  all  the previous  areas  of  ship construction  indicated above,  there  are  many pictures of  the methods he uses  as  well  as  the  special tools  and  jigs  employed  to complete  the  work.    This volume  concludes  with  the framing  of  the  gunports, which  leaves  the  modeler with  a  complete  hull  as depicted  In  the  photo  on the front cover of the book, 

along with much of the  internal construction  and  lower  deck detail.   The  appendix  in  back  of  the book describes how the drafting and  lofting  of  the  model  was done with the aid of CAD and is followed by  a  second  appendix describing the tools used for the ship  model  project  and  how they were made and used.   All  in  all,  a  very  precise  and complete  explanation  of  the construction  of  a  fully  framed frigate  of  38  guns  in  the  Royal Navy  and  a  real  MUST  HAVE book  for  ship  modelers,  very highly  recommended.    All  ship model builders, not matter what level, will learn many things from reading and studying this book.  The CD  in the back also contains all the  frame drawings which can easily be reproduced using a computer printer.     The plans are very detailed and completed  in four colors.     Available from SeaWatchBooks – www.seawatchbooks.com  –  for  $75.00  +  $9  shipping  and  handling  US/$18  Canada/$25  all  other locations.  I can hardly wait for volume II 

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SMA happenings The regular SMA meeting location will continue to be at the Red Cross Building through the month of September. They are completing the new building location and hopefully more information will come to light within the next month. Keep tuned to see if we will continue to meet at the Red Cross Building. Correction of Channel Island Maritime Museum location As most SMA members know, the Ventura Maritime Museum has closed, changed its name to Channel Island Maritime Museum and moved to a new location. Your intrepid editor may have given the wrong address for the new location, the correct address being 3900 Blue Fin Circle, open Monday through Sunday from 11 AM to 5 PM. If you have not seen the new museum, you are missing out on a treat. The second floor is still being worked on, but the first floor is open with many excellent ship models and paintings on display in a wonderful setting. Treasurer’s Report Our esteemed SMA Treasurer, Mike DiCerbo, indicates that the current balance in the SMA treasury is $1,414.93 as of September 1, 2012. Web Manager’s Report Doug Tolbert reports that the CD shown of Kevin’s Lathe for Model Makers procedure at the July SMA meeting is placed on the SMA web for members only. Doug keeps on adding things to the web site, so check it out.

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Source of Rare Woods and Ship Model Cases Randy Biddle sent a message to your editor indicting that he found a wonderful source for wood and the great possibility of making wooden cases for ship models. He met the gentleman in Clarksville, MO and toured his shop (see attached photo’s). Randy indicated that he is a great craftsman who can provide milled wood in many varieties and build furniture to order, including ship model cases. His contact information: Greenwell Fine Furniture 110 S. Second Street PO Box 85 Clarksville, MO 63336 573-242-3771 [email protected] Randy indicated that Clarksville, and Louisiana Missouri are Mississippi River communities that date back to the early 1800’s with beautiful old architecture. Greenwell did much of the fine cabinetry, doors and windows in the restoration/preservation efforts there.

If any SMA members utilize this information to have a ship model cabinet constructed, please advise the SMA membership of your experience (Ed.)

ANNUAL AUCTION IN OCTOBER

Remember that the annual AUCTION is next month. Prepare all those items that you no longer use, tools, kits, books, and bring them to the auction in OCTOBER. Great deals can be made by all SMA members. You MUST be an SMA member to be part of the auction.

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Mike Lonnecker’s HMS Fly

Donald C. Dressel 908 W. 22nd Street, Upland, CA. 91784-1229

Next meeting Wednesday, September 19, 7:30 PM, Hillcrest Park Red Cross Building

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