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When It’s All Going to End? Barcelona, June 21 st 2013 Roger E. A. Farmer, Distinguished Professor, UCLA and Senior Houblon Norman Fellow, Bank of England

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Roundtable on Lessons from the financial crisis: how much longer until the end of the crisis? Barcelona GSE Summer Forum Barcelona Graduate School of Economics June 21, 2013 http://www.barcelonagse.eu/summer-forum.html

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Page 1: When's it all going to end? - Roger Farmer (UCLA)

When It’s All Going to End?

Barcelona, June 21st 2013

Roger E. A. Farmer, Distinguished Professor, UCLA and Senior Houblon Norman Fellow, Bank of England

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Three Things to Think About

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Three Things to Think About

 Policy Matters

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Three Things to Think About

 Policy Matters

 The Stock Market Matters

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Three Things to Think About

 Policy Matters

 The Stock Market Matters

 The Central Bank Matters

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Policy Matters

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The Stock Market Matters

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The Stock Market Matters

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The Great Depression The 2008 Financial Crisis

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Lehman BrothersCollapsesSeptember 15th 2008

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The Central Bank Matters

n The Fed learned to fix recessions by lowering the interest rate

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The Central Bank Matters

n The Fed learned to fix recessions by lowering the interest rate

n The Fed ran out of ammunition in 2008

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How Bad is it?

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Can we Project this Forward?

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Projected End Date

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But will employment per person recover?

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Employment to Population Ratio This graph paints a much less rosy picture!

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Policy Matters

 This projection is based on the assumption that policy continues to be active

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Can we do Better Moving Forwards?

 YES

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Can we do Better Moving Forwards?  Monetary policy   One instrument   Two targets

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Can we do Better Moving Forwards?  Monetary policy   One instrument   Two targets

 The interest rate   Price stability   Growth and employment

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Can we do Better Moving Forwards?  Monetary policy   One instrument   Two targets

 The interest rate   Price stability   Growth and employment

 Need a second instrument   Target the stock market directly

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How?

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How?  Set up an Exchange Traded Fund

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How?  Set up an Exchange Traded Fund

 Buy shares in the fund in exchange for debt

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How?  Set up an Exchange Traded Fund

 Buy shares in the fund in exchange for debt

 Announce a price path for the fund

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How?  Set up an Exchange Traded Fund

 Buy shares in the fund in exchange for debt

 Announce a price path for the fund

  Increase the price if unemployment is too high

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How?  Set up an Exchange Traded Fund

 Buy shares in the fund in exchange for debt

 Announce a price path for the fund

  Increase the price if unemployment is too high

 Lower the price if unemployment is too low

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Summary  We learned how to operate monetary

policy to generate price stability

  It took three hundred years

 We need to learn how to operate a new policy to generate financial stability

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