vfnw spring2014 transcript lesson6

By Donna Powers RCSHom, CCH, RSHom (NA)

VACCINE FREE: Now What?

MUMPSCall #6 Transcript

DONNA POWERS, RCSHom, CCH, RSHom(NA)Homeopathic Healing Art Practitioner

Donna Powers: Welcome to the Vaccine Free: Now What? 12-week teleseminar course. This is class six where we will be talking about the second year of life where the vaccine MMR, measles, mumps, rubella is given for the disease mumps.

DP: So are there any questions from last week? We talked about measles, and currently in southern Alberta and actually in Calgary itself there are measles outbreaks happening in high schools, and it's creating a lot of... Some fear but also questions around, "Well what do I do?" We're being told that our kids can't be at school and even the scenarios here that I know of, they... I thought it was an option, either stay at home and study or get the vaccine but in fact, what they did with the high school students was tell them that they had to stay away from home and get the vaccine, so there wasn't much choice in it as well.

DP: So, I'm putting together a handout for parents to have ahead of time, particularly in Canada and in Alberta where if you're faced with this kind of, let's face it, it's a threat, what you can do and how you can speak up about your choice to still be vaccine-free even in the middle of an infectious illness like measles or mumps. And mumps is making a return as well. It has since, let me see... My kids are 25, so it's about six, seven years ago in the university population. We'll be getting into that a little bit more later on. So anyway, any questions about measles?

DP: Okay. Well we'll just keep going forward then with that. If you check Powers of Homeopathy Facebook page you will see that I'm continually updating information on measles, mumps. Rubella hasn't come up so much but it is another one of those vaccines that is insisted upon if you're working in any of the helping professions, medical or otherwise, even in social work, and you may want... And they don't just give rubella vaccine, they're wanting to give everybody boosters. Also, on the powersofhomeopathy.com site, I have one little section that is going to try and keep current with the news that's, and there's a lot of it happening with measles and mumps and it's all the same vaccine and we'll be talking about that a little bit later.

DP: Now, from the book, Dissolving Illusions, I have referred to that one before. It's by Dr. Suzanne Humphries and Roman Bystrianyk. In there, there's a reference to some science research, and it's regarding the argument about putting those with compromised immune systems at risk, and this is often held up alongside with the idea of "herd immunity." So if a discussion of herd immunity comes up, there's two really important things to understand. The concept of herd immunity is based on a percentage of having had an experience of the natural illness and the vaccine manufacturers just blow that idea under the assumption that vaccination was immunity for life, which it's not, and claimed that we need to have a certain percentage of the population vaccinated in order for there to be herd immunity. But if in fact the

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vaccinations are not immunization and immunity for life than the whole concept of herd immunity is really questionable.

DP: So I will include that link. I bought it myself from PubMed and it's just research that I'll give you some of the information here. And we talked about this in our immune system week, where antibodies do not equal immunity and there is science research on that. So the whole idea that you use a vaccine to create antibodies which then would indicate immunity is actually false. The vaccine is only emulating one part of the immune system response at the expense of the other arm of the immune system response. So what we're having is in exchange for acute infectious illnesses, and by acute I mean it has a beginning, a middle and an end... We've traded acute infections for chronic illness, and the statistics now for chronic illness are really quite astounding for children.

DP: And by chronic illness we're talking about things like eczema, asthma, bronchitis, diabetes, ADD, ADHD, these are all... And all the children who have been labelled and diagnosed as being on the spectrum, these are all chronic illnesses and need to be addressed very differently. So what you're learning in the course is how to use homeopathy and information to know what you're dealing with in terms of an infectious childhood illness and how to use homeopathy for that. And you are very capable of doing that because this is a beginning, middle, and end scenario, but you will want to have Homeopath or a naturopath on board to be able to have some... If you get stuck. I'll give you lots of remedies, but you may just not get it quite right and that happens.

DP: So anyway, from some of this research, vaccine scientists know that the immune system responds with more than just antibody. Yep, because markers of cell-mediated immunity are elusive, antibody has become the measure of whether or not a person is immune. So there's no way to measure this other arm of the immune system. By priming the immune system with disease particles in a vaccine, the intention is to produce memory immunity that will alter, respond rapidly to similar infections, so that will alter response rapidly to similar infections. Theoretically, the body should quickly respond and destroy invaders before they can multiply and cause notable disease.

DP: So scientists were surprised when they learnt that individuals with a deficit in antibody production, called agammaglobulinemia, recovered from measles just as well as normal antibody producers. This "disconcerting" discovery was made in the 1960's when measles vaccinations were just getting under way. All that is saying, really, is that antibodies cannot be a marker for immunity to a particular disease, because they found that with some of these individuals, they didn't produce the antibody, but they recovered just as easily from the measles. So there's a whole aspect of immune system response that's really not as well understood as it should be. It just goes on to








say, children with antibody deficiency syndromes, have quite unremarkable attacks of measles with a characteristic rash and normal recovery. Therefore, they are not ideally prone to re-infection. So antibody, at any rate and any quantity, is not required for the production of the measles rash, nor for the normal recovery from the disease, nor to prevent re-infection.

DP: So some of also what's happening is that, you have a passive immune system that functions quite nicely, and it's possible that what you're having or seeing in your children is that they have an immunity but it's been acquired passively; you would never know that they hadn't had an experience of measles and mumps. That research was more around measles and just to catch you up with what's happening here. There's going to be more, this is my motivation for offering this course, there are going to be more and more of these outbreaks. The vaccines that were given, started in the '60s, but particularly in the '80s, my children were vaccinated, and I'll be giving you a statistic for the 29-year-old age group, which is now about three or four years later; very high incidence now of measles and mumps. And they will say the vaccine is waining or the viruses are mutating and the only solution is to... They call them booster shots, but obviously the vaccines are not lifelong immunity.

DP: So, let's talk about mumps today. What are mumps? Last week we covered with measles, that they are part of the family of viruses called Paramyxoviridae and on this brief, we go through that again, we'll reinforce the information. So this is in the same family as respiratory syncytial virus, so RSV. Some infants have this at a very young age. Because it's a virus, antibiotics cannot be used, except a medical system will use the antibiotics as a "prevention" for secondary bacterial infections in the lungs. The other member in this family are the parainfluenza, and it has the influenza name, but it's not a flu. It will look like a flu, but that's not what it is at all. But the symptoms are fever, runny nose, cough, so croup or pneumonia, you can think of with that. Young children are more likely to have these illnesses, but also the seniors, older adults, or anybody with a weakened immune system are also at risk. You can have multiple RSV and parainfluenza in your lifetime. Measles and mumps, it's a one-time thing. Generally if you have an experience of the disease, you will be immune for life.

DP: I think that's all I wanted to say about that one. The other member of this family, we covered last week, and that is measles. So when you're thinking of measles, mumps, parainfluenza and respiratory syncytial virus, or RSV, think big picture. Think of the lungs. This is the virus replicating in the lungs and in the whole lower respiratory system and could lead to pneumonia. And also, think the nose and the eyes. Anywhere where it's watery and juicy and mucous-y, this is where this virus will replicate, and where you will get your symptoms, for your symptom picture.








DP: Think kids. This is from my old bacteria or my old clinical microbiology book, but the idea of thinking of it as in terms of a kids illness; this is not true anymore because of vaccines. So you now have the children who were vaccinated in the '70s and the '80s, adults having kids of their own, and they are as susceptible to these illnesses as they were when they were kids, before vaccination. You can also think in terms of the big picture; viremia, which is just a big name for virus toxins that spill over into the blood, and they travel by blood to the organs, other organs; in particular, organs that shouldn't have anything to do with these toxins of the viruses. So the heart, kidneys and brain is the one that we're thinking about with mumps, because mumps affects the glands around the ears and the throat.

DP: So with mumps, the virus can cross. If it gets far enough into, and the person just cannot mount an immune system response, because the places, the organs that are affected are the glands in the throat, just in front of the ears, if that virus is allowed to replicate for too long, for example, if the fever is suppressed, then what happens is that these virus shed their toxins, and it passes into the bloodstream, and then you get the complications crossing the blood-brain barrier. And this is where you will get secondary complications of encephalitis and meningitis.

DP: So mumps itself, it's airborne. And it's spread through droplets in the nose, throat and mouth, either by air or direct contact. This is very similar to the measles we talked about. And this is what makes it so highly contagious. And this is why, also, you will find it in populations of daycare, schools, camps and particularly a university, and this is where the outbreaks have occurred in the last five, six, seven years. University campuses, people are living close together, very high stress situation, homework, exams, studying. And also, likely not eating as well, that particular age group that left home. Or they're eating outside of the parents' home, if they're at home, because of needing to save money. So there's a whole dietary thing, so it makes sense that the vaccines are waning, the stress level is high with this particular age group, and so what is happening, you have a return of these illnesses.

DP: Also what I think is happening, and this is just speculation; I haven't found any research to back this up. I really think what's happening, particularly with the age group that my children are, as young adults in their late 20s, early 30s, is that they're clearing some of this vaccine influence for these particular illnesses. And so, they're mounting fever, and they're getting very unusual kinds of illnesses that may or may not look like these particular illnesses, in particular like measles or mumps. Although in my son's friends, the mumps were the mumps, and these were vaccinated kids.

DP: So airborne, and the virus multiplies in this wet, juicy membrane areas and eye tissues, same as measles. The incubation time is about 21 days after exposure, which








is very similar to the measles, as well. People are contagious from two days before the symptoms begin to six days after they end. So there's this hazy period of being contagious. So what is done in the school systems is a 21-day quarantine. But really, I don't know how they think they're going to contain it that way. So I think that that's why parents are being forced to vaccinate, which, again, if you have the information, you can still refuse the vaccine.

DP: So the virus can even be spread from people who are infected, but have no symptoms. So there is a thing called viral shedding from vaccines. The MMR are live viruses that are grown on other animal or human fetal tissue, and then they are attenuated and made weaker and weaker. But what is left are still these bits of RNA from the virus itself and bits of DNA. So all of this genetic material that can't be filtered out, 100% guaranteed. So there's this element of possibly the virus being shed and being part of the contagiousness after vaccination.

DP: So this virus takes about 12-25 days to incubate, but the average is about 16-18 days. So this is information that you'll have to have if in fact your child is exposed to it, your child does get mumps and has to be quarantined. These are infectious illnesses that require reporting and... So if you've got that information handy, it will just demonstrate to those in the medical system that you're very aware of what the symptoms are and what you've been doing up to that point.

DP: So here are the symptoms. They can get a fever of up to 103 degrees Fahrenheit or 39.4 Celsius. So again, my big thing is fever. You really want to support that fever because it's doing two things. It is creating a cascade of events that stimulate certain parts of your immune system that are not active unless in a higher temperature, and you are creating an environment that makes it very difficult for this virus to replicate, so it's a two-pronged event that happens when the fever goes up. What you're going to watch for is just to make sure the fever goes up slowly, and it's the fevers that rise quickly in a short amount of time that can cause the febrile seizures, but again the febrile seizures, it's a very small number of children that will have those, and of those only a very small amount, a rare amount will actually have any serious brain complications after febrile seizure. So sometimes the fevers will go up to 104 especially in children whose immune systems are quite strong, and you do what you can to keep your child comfortable and just refer back to our fever section with that. You have your homeopathic remedies for that as well.

DP: There will be a headache and a loss of appetite, and here we're going to talk about the glands that are affected. The first one is the parotid gland, and this is a salivary gland in humans, so when it says salivary, it just means it creates saliva. The parotid glands, there are two of them, and these are the largest salivary glands. Where you find








those, if you touch your earlobe, I can't see you, but go ahead and touch your earlobes, and what you will feel just in front of your earlobes and behind the bone is where the large parotid gland is situated. It secretes saliva through something called the Stensen's duct into the oral cavity, and what this does, even if you think about lemons... Go ahead and get your live lemons and feel your lips pucker up, and you can start to feel the saliva flow in the mouth. So this saliva is all about assisting the digestion. It's the beginning of digestion. These particular glands in front of the ears that have this normal function of creating saliva start to swell, and your children will look like a chipmunk. Exactly like a chipmunk.

DP: That's the largest gland. Then underneath, if you just keep following, you put your finger by your earlobe, that salivary gland goes up almost to the top of the ear around the jaw and down to the bottom. So if you put your thumb below your index finger and move it forward just slightly, you will find the next gland which is called the submandibular gland. That one again produces saliva. And then you have the third one which is smaller yet, sublingual, and lingual is just a big fancy name for the tongue, so it's the gland underneath the tongue. I don't know if you've seen sometimes, I have... You can almost see one of those glands squirt out saliva. I guess I had an unusual childhood, I would do things like this.

DP: So if you just Google 'mumps image of a child', you will see the images looking very much like a chipmunk, they swell up. Now remember when we talked about diphtheria in Dr. Dorothy Shepherd's day, which is in the '60s when she worked in her emergency surgeries, is what they're called in England, she would just despair because some of the medical doctors didn't know how to differentiate between diphtheria, which we call bull neck so the neck was really swollen, and mumps. So there's some clear signs and symptoms with mumps, and you'll know that that's what you're dealing with.

DP: Just briefly, let's talk about some of the complications that you might get with mumps, especially if the virus has replicated and those toxins have been transferred into the blood and through the blood system and across the blood brain barrier. You will get secondary infections, inflammations like meningitis and encephalitis. So remember this is viremia as opposed to bacteremia. When it's bacteria that cross that blood brain barrier and become meningitis and encephalitis, antibiotics are used, and they call them third generation cephalosporins now. But even these are not working like they used to. So, just so you know that this is how meningitis and encephalitis will be treated in the hospital, whether it's viral or whether it's bacterial.

DP: So, the signs are high fever and a stiff neck. So, you'd be watching for your child. The head will start to tip back and it will be extremely painful for them to touch their








chin to their chest, and the back of the head will have... It could even look swollen. And one of your remedies to think of at that point, besides belladonna, is gelsemium. They'll be the stiff neck, a headache, it will be a pounding headache which might make you think of belladonna. There'll be nausea and vomiting, drowsiness, possibly convulsions, and other signs of brain involvement, so just think anything to do with the nerves may be affected.

DP: Now, some research that has been done by a gentleman named Martin Walker, his website is called slingshotpublications.com. He has lots of his work that's available on the site that's free. He is the gentleman, who covered the Dr. Andrew Wakefield trials in England over the MMR and bowel disease, and it's just a travesty what happened there. It was, yeah... Anyway, he has books written on the Wakefield trial and he's also written some really good books from parent's perspective who have children who have the bowel disease and had ill effects from the MMR vaccine which is... I've divided this up specifically so that we could talk about this instead of as one vaccine.

DP: But in one of his works, he talks about aseptic meningitis was a problem with the vaccine. So, in the autumn of 1988 the British Department of Health introduced three brands of the second tri-virulent vaccination distributed in Britain, and it was the measles, mumps, and Rubella vaccine. MMR was to take the place of the single measles vaccine given in mass vaccination campaigns and by GPs, general practitioners, doctors. Rubella vaccination given on the basis of need to women likely to become pregnant and mumps vaccine that was only rarely used and the stocks of which were becoming a loss leader for pharmaceutical companies. So, understand the history of this vaccine. They were individually offered at one time, especially in Britain, and now they're not. And so, they combined them into three. Now, I'm gonna move to the next slide.

DP: So, for four years after they were launched in 1992, the two newly introduced vaccines, Pluserix and Immravax, both containing the Urabe strain of mumps virus, were withdrawn by the Chief Medical Officer, Liam Donaldson. And the announcement that coincided with the withdrawal suggested that after extensive research, most tellingly at Queen's Hospital, Nottingham, it was claimed British researchers had discovered that the two vaccines caused high levels of a slight illness, aseptic meningitis, in a few children. Now, the reason I am going through this with you is, with the handout that I'm going to be creating for families here in Calgary, and you will have access to them as well. It's really important, if you do make a decision with, say, a high school student who's your child who has been vaccine-free up to this point, if you decide to get an MMR vaccine or any vaccine, for that matter, it's really important to take with you the actual form that is for reporting adverse reactions to vaccines. Because after the vaccine, and if your child gets sick or has an adverse reaction, it will



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be that much harder to go back in time and get the information that you need.

DP: So, in this instance, in the mumps, the MMR vaccine in England around this time they traced it to a particular strain of the mumps virus, this Urabe, and they removed that, and they're using a different kind of virus. Now, remember with viruses there will be different strains, like in meningitis, and the vaccines are created with only a certain strain of it, and there are others as well. So, there were a number of children damaged by this particular vaccine. So, historically, these things happen with vaccines. So, and these compensations were in the millions of dollars and, unfortunately, there is documented research of a four-year-old child dying after this booster jab, they call them in England, and yeah, it's very, very sad.

DP: So the other possible complications... Are there any questions or anything? I don't see any hands up. Okay. So besides meningitis and encephalitis, one of the other possible complications, especially in adults, that will be used as a reason for you to vaccinate or re-vaccinate your child is orchitis. And again, orchitis simply means inflammation and the O-R-C-H simply refers to the testicles. And so simply said, orchitis is inflammation of the testicles. Usually, only one testicle becomes swollen and painful and this will be about seven to 10 days after the parotid, those glands near the cheeks swell.

DP: And this is accompanied by a high fever as well. There'll be shaking, chills, headaches, nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain that sometimes can be mistaken for appendicitis if the right testicle is affected. So, if you have boys, just go through this information and know that this is one of the concerns that the medical system has, and particularly with your teenagers and adult males; not so much your young boys. This is not a problem. It's very rare in children below teenage, below puberty, to get this. So what the thinking is to have this mumps. So, at one point, they were losing money on mumps vaccine. It's actually quite a benign illness. It's not comfortable but it's not so horrific. So after three to seven, 10 days, the testicle pain and swelling subside and usually at about the same time that the fever passes. So, again, this would be an important time to not suppress fever and we've got some good homeopathic remedies we'll be talking about today that will help you get through this stage if in fact that does happen.

DP: So, usually, it's only one parotid gland, but sometimes you have both parotid glands involved, so the face looks really swollen and usually it's only one testicle, but on occasion it could be both testicles. And even with involvement of both testicles, sterility is only a rare complication. So you have to remember when these things are thrown at you that, "Oh what do you mean you're not going re-vaccinate, you're a young man?" or "Why aren't you going to give measles, mumps, rubella?" "Do you








know that sterility is a risk?" So, yes it's a risk, but it's extremely rare.

DP: The third complication is that this particular virus might affect the pancreas. So your pancreas is what regulates your sugar levels. So it's interesting to me that whatever complication a natural disease can cause, the vaccination can cause as well. So, the question that begs to be asked is how many children who receive MMR boosters develop Type 2 or Type 1 diabetes, insulin-dependent diabetes? So that would be the Type 1. And in grade five, there're a number of boosters and some new vaccines that are being introduced. So, this is a chronic illness as well, insulin-dependent diabetes. And so, again, it's the exchange of acute infectious illness in childhood being exchanged for long-term chronic disease.

DP: The other organs that may be affected in females are the ovaries, again, the reproductive organs. And there can be pain and tenderness in some parts of the abdomen. So, the more you know about this, the more when you go in, if there's some problems or it's persisting or you haven't found a homeopathic remedy that's good, for whatever reasons, you take your daughter into emergency, just let them know that you know that it's possibility of mumps and not appendicitis. It'd be a terrible thing to think that you might have an appendix removed when you didn't need it.

DP: So, the duration, children usually recover from mumps in about 10-12 days and it takes about one week for the swelling to disappear in each parotid gland, but both glands don't usually swell at the same time. So, you're looking at three weeks. Now, the reality was in my mum's days... So when I was a child in the '60s, one child would get mumps or one child would get measles and then it would just go down the line. I was the oldest. My mum had five kids and she had most of the childhood illnesses except she had not had mumps as a child and she ended up with mumps. So she took care of all us as we went through it and then when we were all better... Again, you have to look at illness as an opportunity to detox. So, after all of the stress of nursing five kids through mumps, she ended up getting it herself, and it was her detox time. That's why sometimes you get...

DP: So, again, these students in university are very susceptible to illnesses. They've worked hard. There's a lot of information crammed into a short amount of time. You have to keep up with the reading and then the exams and the pressure of the exams. So it's almost expected that at the end of April, beginning of May when they're looking for work, that often they're laid down for at least a week just from sheer exhaustion and are susceptible then, to these kinds of infectious illnesses. So in terms of a graph, again, because my children... It makes it real. This whole idea of "this is anecdotal so somehow it doesn't count" is really a bit unrealistic because medical system, well it's not until they have the chart and the graph to show it, but I was living it in real time.








DP: So it was about 2006, 2007 that there were large outbreaks, and these occurred in Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Alberta, and there was a total of 1,159 confirmed cases, counting for 90% of the total cases in Canada that year for mumps. And the majority of theses cases occurred in persons age 20-29, many of who were college or university students. Immunization history was known for less than one half of the mumps cases. So of those known, 8% had received two or more doses, 73% had received one dose. So my boys would have fallen in the category of having at 12, one year, 14 months and 16 months of having been given three doses of mumps vaccine, or if they included that three as one... Anyway they would have fallen in that, one of those categories. And 19% had received no mumps.

DP: But what it says is that 81% had actually been immunized in that year, in 2007. So the majority of students who got mumps were those who were vaccinated for mumps, which is very telling. So the Public Health Agency of Canada has that on their website and you can actually see that, that information has not been hidden, as yet. So mumps will happen in the vaccinated and in the unvaccinated populations, and it will be thrown at you, the complications of it, that this is why you need to get the vaccine. The other thing that will be thrown at you is the idea of herd immunity. So make sure you understand this concept of herd immunity and what the flaws are. I've posted some of that information on my Facebook and there is also... Whatever you do a search for on my website in terms of measles will be applicable to mumps as well because this will be the vaccine that's promoted, the MMR.

DP: So moving through, there are benefits of having natural mumps. And this is the National Centre for Biotechnology Information and I will include these links in your follow up email. There was a wonderful blog article written at gaiahealth.com. And remember when we talked about one of the possible complications is sterility? So the swollen testicles in males and the swollen ovaries in women. But in fact, what the research is showing is that mumps is possibly a preventive for cancer for these organs. So it's really important that children have these infectious illnesses. And even measles, they are doing research now on using measles as a cure for cancer. So why not have the infectious illness? So again these are... Once you have this information you can have this kind of conversation with your doctor. They may not even be aware. They don't keep up with the reading; they just may not have time.

DP: So what the research has said, in this particular article, the researchers use remarkably strong language in their conclusion about the affects of the mumps vaccine and relatively benign nature of the disease itself. Prior to vaccination, mumps was generally a mild illness but could have serious sequelae, which just simply means complications, including orchitis and sterility, so we've talked about that, meningitis and deafness, so it affects the ears. Remember the ears are another juicy place so you








get almost like a measles-like deafness as well. So you have it in mumps as well. And pancreatitis. Nevertheless our study suggests there could have also been an unanticipated long term anti-cancer benefits of a mumps infection such as we have described in this paper.

DP: So they summarized the results. Mumps is a mild illness, mumps rarely produces long-lasting harm, mumps provides long term anti-cancer benefit. We know that many cancers have been increasing. How much of that increase, besides ovarian cancer, could be due to the mumps vaccine, and that article on gaiahealth.com by Heidi Stevenson. So these are the things that you can intelligently discuss with your medical doctors or your nurses or your public health people or your public health education people in these outbreaks that are happening with measles and mumps.

DP: So once you get the mumps, it's lifelong immunity. So these recurrent mumps in the vaccinated population, it's not immunity. This is not immunity, and so what are they gonna continue doing, trying to track people to see who's had their booster shots in teenage-hood, who's had their booster shots in their early 30s? And so what you will find is that there will be more and more pressure as you are in child bearing age, and they get... Then you are there for your prenatal check-up, so there will be more pressure, and there's no way that you should be receiving an MMR vaccine during pregnancy as well.

DP: So, just know that the more information you have, the more confident you can go into these kinds of situations where there's a lot of pressure and tension. You will be able to have a conversation about what you know, and what your comfort level is at in terms of whether you want the vaccine or not, and that choice is yours. And remember, this is about vaccine safety and freedom to choose. This isn't about pro-vaccination and anti-vaccination. I just posted a really, really good article written by a mum who has chosen to be vaccine-free for her family, and she doesn't call it the vaccination debate; she calls it the hate debate. So, it's a good one. If you've got time to read it, it's really excellent information, and that's the kind of information I would download, make a hard copy of, and stick in a binder and highlight, and you can take it with you if you ever need to avail yourself of emergency services when you have a sick kid.

DP: So, you don't want to be on the defensive all the time, but it's information. You're like the immune system. You're well prepared. This isn't about going into war or battle. This is about having a conversation, and the other side might get a little agitated and heated up, but then you know that something is getting through that they're having a response like that. Conventional treatment for mumps, there's no specific treatment for mumps, and the symptoms may be relieved with a fever. So, ice, neck and testicular area, I would be a little cautious about that. Instead of ice, I would suggest even just








room temperature applications because if there's any heat in that area, the cloth will just naturally cool down on its own. So, I leave that with you. You'll know. Your kids and infants, even if they're pre-verbal or non-verbal, they'll tell you what makes them feel better and what makes them feel worse. So, be listening to them because this is how we can individualize with homeopathy.

DP: It will be suggested also that you use acetaminophen or paracetamol, so those are the British words for tylenol, ibuprofen, and try and refrain from those if you can especially when there's a fever present. You may need to actually educate your emergency medical staff or your regular doctors on the whole idea of fever, and you actually have in your handouts the medical research and evidence to support not using fever medications to suppress. The article also pointed out this research that one of the biggest challenges they face is educating emergency medical doctors and medical staff on the overuse of fever medications. So, you really have to judge what the pain level is at for your child, and if it's warranted, you might. But you may find with the homeopathic remedies that we're using, that may not become a concern at all. Never use aspirin, which the big name for that is acetylsalicylic acid or ASA, and that is because of the link with Reye's Syndrome. And in my mum's day, that what was used was aspirin, and it was Bayers children's aspirin, and we were lucky. We didn't have those complications, but to save yourself some concern with that, don't ever use aspirin or children's aspirin or any product with aspirin in it.

DP: Warm salt water gargling. Again, salt water is one of those really nice anti-virals that you can use, and we used that a lot as children and make sure that your children stay hydrated, so that there's no dehydration especially for the little ones. And we'll go through those recommendations again. Now, the... According to the Department of Health of Minnesota, there is no effective post-exposure recommendation to prevent secondary transmission nor is the post-exposure use of vaccine or immunoglobulin effective. So, if presented, I mean, they don't separate between measles and mumps; it's all MMR. So, post-exposure, if it's in a mumps situation, getting a vaccine is not going to help.

DP: The one caution, and my mum was great. She was able to tell us this by personal experience. Do not give anything with lemon or orange juice, pine... Anything acidic because what happens is they stimulate the salivary glands, which can be painful. So remember back to the beginning of the call today, I had you imagine lemons. So maybe you don't even want to talk about lemons when you're around your kids who have mumps because it will start that saliva stimulation and that will be very, very painful for them. So don't give any sour juices, even if they're craving them. They might crave an apple juice and then you'll hear them screech.








DP: So we've gone through that. And watch for dehydration, and it occurs when an infant loses so much, or child, loses so much body fluid, that they're not able to maintain regular function. So it might be not drinking enough water, maybe vomiting or diarrhoea or part of their fever. And you need to monitor the signs, and the signs will be, so if you have an infant, not very many wet diapers. Or if you have an older child, they might not be urinating as often, they're not peeing as often, and there's fatigue, there's weakness, cramps, headaches, dizziness, nausea, forgetfulness, confusion, deep rapid breathing, or an increase of heart rate. And they might not be able to keep anything down, so even though you're trying quite valiantly to give them liquids, they may just vomit it right up. Their eyes might get sunken deep in, and you might notice that the mouth is dry or sticky, and the skin lacks that elasticity. So when you pinch your... Just take between your thumb and your index finger there's kind of a, at least on my body, there's a good amount of skin you can pinch between your other hand between your thumb and your finger. And it should fall down and smooth out. If it stays into a fold, you know that there is some dehydration going on.

DP: Going to check, any questions or anything up to this point? Some of this was covered last week with measles but it's always just good to go over. The other thing to watch for with infants, is they'll cry and there won't be any tears and they'll have a dry tongue or dry lips. Even if you've got tiny infants, there's that soft spot on top of their head that close over through time in the first year. If that's quite sunken, that will be another sign of dehydration and they might look dry and wrinkly. Watch for the temperature of the hands and feet as well. That may be an indication for homeopathic fever remedy.

DP: So those are the signs and symptoms to watch for. So again, it's with the little ones that you really want to watch for the dehydration. If you suspect it's any of these infectious illnesses, you will have to keep your children at home and you will have to report to the health department. And again, the same with measles, if you suspect that's what it is, we have what we call the public health link here. You dial it in, and if you dial in and you say what you're suspecting it is, they'll just tell you to stay home. They don't want you in any emergency department; not the children's, not any of the general hospitals because of the risk of the spread of infection. So you're pretty much at home anyway. So report it and there you go. You're pretty much on your own.

DP: So vitamin C. So again, the same as for mumps, you're going to be using vitamin C in the same way. So that will be part of your handout, it's in the vitamin C, or just simply go back to the measles. I think that at some point it would be helpful for everybody just to always give me feedback. I always try to think of as a parent what would I need. So what I might do is make up a vitamin C chart if you think that would be helpful, and we talked about vitamin D3 and specifically vitamin A in measles as








well. So I can make some charts. Put that on my list of things to do. So just watch for complications. So get loaded up on your vitamin C and it won't hurt to be giving vitamin D3 as well, because by this time of year if it's been a long winter, we're likely all low on it anyway.

DP: So a little bit about vitamin C. Whale.to is always an excellent place to look for information and you can just use their search box and mumps and you can put in your search, mumps vitamin C and it will take you to some really good information. So there's some case studies there of mumps cured with vitamin C injections. So if you have a naturopath who can actually do vitamin C injections, that would be a very good thing. So on the whale.to website you can read these cases associated. Six cases of virus encephalitis treated and cured with vitamin C injections. Two cases associated with viral pneumonia. One followed chicken pox, one mumps, one measles, and one a combination of measles and mumps. In the case that followed the measles, mumps complex, definite evidence was found to confirm the belief that massive frequent injections are necessary in treating virus infections with vitamin C.

DP: So you will read more and more of that. So if you do happen to end up... So let's create a scenario. You have a 16-month-old, 18-month-old vaccine-free who has been exposed, maybe to his teenage brother, sister and they get mumps and you're feeling comfortable about treating it, and then you realize that your 16-month-old is moving into dehydration. You know that you're going to have to go to the hospital. And with this information you will be able to say to your doctors, and hopefully you've got a working relationship with the family's physician already, that what you want is hydration, and you want vitamin C injections. Have this in a little binder, these are the handouts, the go-to hospital handouts I'd like to have for parents. And this way you can say exactly what you need and keep track of the illness up to this point. I had one nurse on the course, and what she said was, "It would go a long way if you've recorded all of the symptoms, the times, the fever, and what you did, and what you gave."

DP: So even if it's homeopathic remedies, you know this may be an opportunity again to teach and show. So, yes, your child has gotten into a situation of dehydration. This is not your fault, this is what's happened, but you also know that this is how I want to be treated, and you will be able to also say, "I've read the research and that vaccination or even immunoglobulin after the exposure isn't helpful, so we are refusing the vaccine, but this is the kind of care we would like to have in place." And you will have that confidence to be able to say those things.

DP: So even, two cases, complicated with orchitis, and it was bilateral, so both testicles, and so at night he's in severe pain. A fever of 105 degrees. Testicles the size








of tennis balls, to be graphic in this little anecdote. So vitamin C was started, 1000 mg every two hours intravenously. The pain began to subside following the first injection and ceased in 12 hours. There was no fever after 36 hours, and the patient was out of bed feeling his old self after 60 hours. So this is Dr. Klenner. And he also, remember when we talked about polio and the use of vitamin C in treating poliomyelitis. So vitamin C is a great, safe antiviral. So when you've got time, I know moms are busy, read up on vitamin C. One of the best websites there is the orthomolecular.org and I've given you that link already.

DP: So we can just skip through that one. So let's talk about homeopathic remedies in the last little while. Up to this point, are there any questions? Anything you want clarified? Anything happening in your part of the world with measles and mumps? No? Okay. We'll continue on. So the homeopathic remedies that are best known are pilocarpinum. It's also known as jaborandi. One of the best books, again, I would really encourage you to get a copy of it. It's this small, it's handy, it's Dr. Dorothy Shepherd's book, Homeopathy and Epidemic Diseases. So jaborandi or pilocarpinum is also what is used in homeoprophylaxis or HP. Homeoprophylaxis is the use of homeopathic remedies, usually from plant sources, or nosode which is a remedy made from the diseased tissue, and it's used to prevent these illnesses.

DP: So in an outbreak, like my boys were in, all his friends were affected and quarantined. One was trying to have children at that point and the other one didn't want to miss work. So they said mum, whatever you've got with homeopathy, we want to take it. So what I actually gave them was Jaborandi in prevention, and we can talk about HP at the end, if you want to know more about it and when you would give it. Usually it would be best to be under the supervision of a homoeopath or a naturopath who's using those. There's also controversy in the news about using homeopathic nosodes. In Canada, they are approved by Health Canada for use, and it's a bug there for some of the physicians who want to ban them completely. But it's still okay to have these infectious illnesses.

DP: So I wanted to just relate a little story in Dr. Dorothy Shepherd's book. And there were epidemics at that point. So this was in the '60s, this is when I was a child, when I would've had mumps. And shortly after I had mumps there was pretty much no more mumps and the vaccine was introduced about the time that there was a real downward curve. Measles and mumps were pretty much gone, and then the vaccine was introduced. It's still a problem in developing countries. Make no mistake, but again, this is poverty, this is overcrowding, this is poor nutrition, hygiene, sanitation. These are all the reasons these infectious illnesses are so problematic in the developing countries. They can develop these secondary infections, or go blind, like we studied with measles last week. So here's Dr. Shepherd's story:



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DP: A boy arrived shortly afterwards at the children's clinic, sent there by the sister of the surgical dispensary with a provisional diagnosis of mumps. He had a temperature of 103.8. And I'll just paraphrase this... So swelling on both sides of the cheeks, and they were tender to touch, and pain on opening the mouth. She had just learnt about this remedy, pilocarpine. As a student you learn about provings in homeopathy, and the joke with all the homoeopaths is, "Oh, did you read about this proving where this guy took the jaborandi or pilocarpine until he got so much saliva coming out of his mouth, blah blah blah, it reminded them of the disease mumps, because this is what happens with mumps.

DP: So she thought, "Well, why don't we try using this remedy?" So she sent the mum home with the child, and a prescription of pilocarpine 6CH, to be taken night and morning. And the mother was told to bring him back to the dispensary in three days. When she turned up, she remarked that the boy had mumps, and without thinking I retorted sharply and said, "Who said so? There is no swelling at all." I was somewhat taken aback when she triumphantly answered, "You did, yourself, on Monday afternoon."

DP: So after that, she used that remedy as a routine treatment in mumps. There was quite an epidemic during that time, and pilocarpine 6 did not disappoint me, except in one case, where the indications were for mercury. Remember we studied mercury cyanatis for diptheria. They were so striking, so with the mercury symptoms she talks about the weakness, heavy sweats, offensive breath, thickly coated tongue that one could not fail to notice the similarity between the disease and the remedy, which cured the child in six days. So, a wonderful history again. Dr. Shepherd's book is like a historical document, and you can show it to your doctor, they may poo-poo you, and scoff, and do other things, but you can feel confident about what you know and what you've been learning.

DP: So the first remedy to think of... What you have is a lot of congestion, a lot of inflammation, a lot of swelling, and we already know this remedy as one of the first remedies in fever, and that's belladonna. So it has to do with vascular, which just means the veins and arteries engorgement, which is just the filling, the complete filling of it. The glands, in the belladonna remedy, have been known to be swollen and hot and sensitive to pressure, and worse on the right side. The pains are sharp, and they extend to the ear. So it's useful when the swelling suddenly subsides, and is followed by a throbbing headache and delirium. So these kids will usually have the swollen glands will be on the right side, there will be a lot of this saliva, a lot of heat, a lot of throbbing, and very sensitive to pressure.

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coloured part of the eye. Almost a for sure indication that you need belladonna. So you may get through that fever and swelling part quite quickly by using the belladonna, especially if the fever's starting to go up quite high, there's a throbbing, pulsating headache. And in a delirium, in a fever delirium, they may say things like they're imagining dogs with red eyes, or monsters. There might be a lot of anger and irritability, so you can think of belladonna, and it might be a good first prescription to start if you suspect. So if you know your child has been exposed, you could start with jaborandi, as a prevention. But if they end up developing it, and they get this belladonna kind of fever and symptom picture, you could start with the belladonna.

DP: Another remedy that you can think of, is rhus tox. Rhus tox has a lot of restlessness, and there is a lot of redness, and there's a lot of aching in the limbs, and they're worse at night. This would be more if the left side, the left gland was affected. The other remedy to think of with the left side, and especially with the difficulty opening the mouth, is lachesis or lachesis. Now lachesis is not a remedy but I normally would recommend in your home kit, unless you have a lot of left-sided things, like left-sided sore throat, left-sided headaches. More often, families I find need rhus tox in their kit. You'll get far more usage out of it in a whole lot of different situations, than you would in Lachesis. But if you're comfortable building up your own home pharmacy, you'll eventually want to have lachesis there.

DP: Rhus tox, you can think of, as well. So here's a situation. It's coming up soccer season here in Alberta. We can have warm days, cool nights, and children can get easily overheated. And if there is a mumps outbreak happening, and you don't realize it till after... Maybe your child was there, school-aged child was there when the infection was incubating, and they have one of these nights. They're out playing soccer, they get chills, and then you notice that there's a fever and the swelling is on the left side. It might possibly be an opportunity for you to look at using rhus tox.

DP: This is the beauty of it where you can individualize. Mercury, homeopathic mercury, mercurius, and it's one of the best remedies in mumps, simply because of the excess salivation. You'll find any child who needs mercury for a sore throat, cough, cold, will often have this excess saliva. And there might even be drooling in babies, because they can't suck up that extra saliva. There might be a slight fever, but mercury, you might find you need after, say, belladonna. And the special symptoms with mercury, stinky, stinky, stinky. So lots of saliva, their breath smells terrible and a lot of tenderness, again. They'll likely be worse at night. And possibly with the fever, they'll get the alternating chills and fever. So think of mercury, the old mercury thermometers, they go up and down. So this is usually how their mood may be. The mood may go up and down, as well.








DP: So if they have mumps, again, if you've got Jaborandi... So, say you've got one child right in the middle of mumps and another one that maybe okay. We're going on a holiday. We'll let the older one get through it, but we don't want the younger one to get the mumps. This might be an opportunity where you would use Jaborandi for the older child to help them get through it, and for the younger child to prevent. And you might want to consider this, too, when the mumps have, and the word is metastasized, so you've likely heard of that word with cancer. So metastasized means it's simply moved from one place to another in the body. So you can use the Jaborandi if it's metastasized to the testicles, or to the breast. There may be breast pain, as well, because remember, this is a gland. These are mammary glands. So anything to do with fertility and sex organs can be affected by mumps.

DP: Now, never been well since mumps, some homoeopaths have used parotidinum. And this would be a situation of the nosode being used to treat the mumps, especially after, if there are any ill effects. So let's say, pain in the groin or swelling testicles. Pulsatilla. Here is one of our remedies that we've used in so many situations, and again, pulsatilla has an affinity to the sexual organs. So you'll see when you read about the remedy that pulsatilla has an affinity for the testicles, for the breast, and for the ovaries, as well as the salivary glads. And in this situation, you'll have the general symptoms of pulsatilla. They'll be thirstless, which will cause a concern for you as a parent, if you have a non-verbal or pre-verbal child who is just refusing to drink. The tongue will likely be thickly coated and dryness. There'll be dryness everywhere, but there's thirstlessness.

DP: And again, with the pulsatilla child, they'll be quite weepy, clingy. You'll find that they will want cooler air. So that might mean something like being in your basement, or you'll notice that if you have to run out to the car, that they actually do better in the open air, especially if it's cool. Rhus tox won't. So you start to differentiate these remedies. Think about what you need to know. Now, the Parotidinum is the nosode, and you might have something like this; I have had ovarian trouble or nervous trouble or inflammation of the testicles since an attack of mumps, many years ago. So Dr. Dorothy Shepherd has found that nosode in a 30CH or 200, given at intervals of 10 to 14 days, will do a great deal to put these people on the road to recovery.

DP: Now, her next statement I found very, very interesting. Some cases of mumps are followed by extreme nervous depression and almost suicidal melancholia for three to six months after an attack. Whether this is due entirely to the congestion of the nerves caused by the virus, or whether it is due to the large doses of sedatives, which are frequently prescribed by the attending practitioners, I would not care to say. Anyhow, I have found parotidinum extremely useful in clearing up this distressing, melancholic depression. So of course, my enquiring mind goes to, "I wonder how many students,








high school students, receiving an MMR go into some kind of depression? And if possibly, mumps has something to do with it, with those who are susceptible?" It's just a thought. I mean, it's the nature of the work I do as a homoeopath, is trying to figure out sometimes these adverse reactions to vaccines.

DP: And some children are more susceptible to the constituents in the vaccines and some are more susceptible to the actual attenuated or weakened virus. So maybe somebody who's received an MMR in these outbreaks for mumps, it's not going to prevent the mumps. But wonder if there was some kind of depression settled in. And it's very easy I think, women postpartum and teens to be kind of dismissed when it comes to things like depression. There's just these prejudices that somehow teenagers are hysterical or hormonal and they are. So just having said hormonal, maybe that's the effect of the mumps virus. They're already hormonal, and this particular virus has an affinity for the sexual organs and the reproductive organs. So I wouldn't dismiss that at all. So these are things just to watch for with friends and family that may have had a vaccine and they're wondering why their child is all of a sudden in this depression.

DP: So that's all the information that I have for you for today in terms of mumps. I'd like to open it up at this point. And I know some of you have children and have other things on the go in the background. So I am just going to leave this, leave you on mute and if you got something you'd like to share just press one and I will answer your hand as it comes up and we can maybe just talk about some things if you've got that. Is there anybody who's got a question, concern? Is this information helpful, how was it helpful? Think you would be more comfortable now if you ended up in Emerge or if you ended up in a situation that's happening right now in Calgary with measles, would you feel more comfortable talking to your doctor, your public education person?

DP: Okay. I don't see anybody pressing 1. So I think I'm going to... We have 10 minutes left, is there anything else you wanna ask me? It can be about anything. What kind of car do I drive? I'm teasing you now. Anything at all in particular I guess with this course. And it's a quiet group today. So I think then what we will do is we'll just sign off a little bit early. Oh, I do have a question. Yay, so happy when you do this. Okay Sarah, go ahead.

Sarah: I have one question. I know I asked about dosing and potency on the Facebook page and I have a ton to learn. But as I am listening to you today, I figure I should just ask while I have the chance. Are there any rules or things that you should know like "Don't ever do this"? Are there ways that you can harm your child giving too many remedies at once or doing certain things with dosing or potency or mixing certain remedies together? Just anything that is like, "Oh my goodness, you couldn't have done that. Everyone knows not to do that." [laughter]








DP: That's a wonderful way to put it, Sarah. So number one, there's nothing... There maybe nano particles but there's absolutely nothing in homeopathic remedies passed the 12CH. What we're doing is working with energy. So can you overdose? No. What can happen is if you give a remedy when the symptoms are not present, so say your child is better and you still keep giving it because doctors have trained us if it's antibiotic you give it until I tell you to stop. So 10 to 14 days most easily. What will happen is is if your child does not have the symptoms and you continue to give a homeopathic remedy, what will happen is that your child will start to develop the symptoms of the remedy. In homeopathy we call this proving. All you do is you stop. And the symptoms will resolve themselves. Can you use too many remedies all at once? The biggest thing that will happen is you won't know which remedy helped. So over-the-counter homeopathic combination remedy often have anywhere from three remedies in them to sometimes 12. And when you give those, you're never sure which one is working or if it's the all three combined or the all 12 combined that has a symptom picture. But again you're not gonna do any harm unless you continue on.

DP: So for instance, I'm gonna give you a little story, a mum buys the over-the-counter urinary infection remedy for her school-age child. It helps, but not entirely. So then you start to hear that this child has been being given this homeopathic remedy for six, seven months now. So part of you goes, "Is this child now producing the symptoms of the remedies in this combination formula or is this only partially helping." So, as a homoeopath, you take the case, you understand it all, and the remedy given was actually one of the ones that was in the combination but the urinary tract infections have completely resolved. So, that was an instance, where in fact, it probably needed a higher potency or just the one specific remedy. So, again sometimes, your child is a little bit better with the remedy but not entirely.

DP: So, you have two options, you can repeat more frequently or you can go from a 30CH to 200CH. And your reasons for going up in potency are the intensity of the symptoms. So, say for instance, you go, "Oh, yeah, for sure there's a belladonna fever and you have a 30 and 200. Well, you're a bit nervous, so you start off with a 30CH. And you notice it helps a little bit for a little while, but then you feel like, "Oh, I'm having to repeat this every 20 minutes and I wonder if this is okay." Then, you go, "Oh, right, the symptoms are intense, I'm really sure of the picture, the remedy has been helping, I have a 200 in my kit." You give a 200CH and your child falls asleep, you know it was the right remedy.

DP: So, in this instance of mumps, you may see belladonna and you're going along, and then, they develop into the actual swollen gland. You change remedy and you change the remedies according to what the symptoms are that your child has. So, you're always looking at the symptom picture number one and matching it to the








remedy and then, you're also matching the intensity of the symptoms if they're really strong, you can go higher up, not so strong, so not so strong also might indicate with the fever, four or five days. The fever is slightly elevated at the end of the day, "Oh, right, this is Ferrum Phos." So, you give that and then they start to get the higher fever, then you might want to change it to belladonna. Is this helping?

Sarah: It definitely is.

DP: Yeah.

Sarah: Well, it's easier to experiment when with you what you explain, that there's not a lot of harm that can be done. It might not help.

DP: Yeah. It might not help and the only personal story I can tell you when I... Before I knew about homeopathy... I went to see a naturopath with my boy, and my youngest was prescribed phosphorus and it was a phosphorus30, and it was to be taken once a day for a week. So, I faithfully did it. I was trained by my doctor to follow the instructions exactly because I knew very little about homeopathy at that point. And what happened was he started to get the symptoms of phosphorus. He's vomiting and I realize after this is what has happened. Now, as it turned out, I wasn't able to give him phosphorus for quite a long time, probably about two or three years. But stop sooner rather than later and, as long as there's symptoms, you're likely not gonna do any harm. Now, we've also had situations parents are giving a remedy, and nothing is happening and they're getting sicker and sicker; chances are very good that it's the wrong remedy and you can change that.

DP: But if you're moving into like three or four remedies, you kind of go, "Alright, I'll probably need help from my homoeopath or my naturopath," or "I need to go to the Facebook forum and all of the parents who are there have had a lot of experience," and then, the next you can do is once you started experimenting and using the remedies, you can take an acute para-course or first aid course.

Sarah: Okay, wonderful.

DP: Yeah, that will give you more information. Again, it's like anything, the more you know and then if you decide to go study... This isn't meant to discourage you to be a homoeopath... What you find is when you are doing acute as a parent and the friends, the go-to neighbour, "Oh, I know, I'll call Sara." Really, this will happen. You will have some great successes prescribing homeopathic remedies in acute situations. You're gonna get really good. And then, you go to homeopathic school, you think, "Crap, why can't I get these remedies?" and you just go through a stage of learning too much and








making it complicated and then you back to your first aid knowledge. So, you can do a lot of really good work in these acute illnesses.

Sarah: That's wonderful, thank you. And I wanna start that I can pass this to my daughters and this can become a new way for our family to think of illness and medicine and things like that.

DP: Exactly.

Sarah: Well, thank you very much.

DP: Yeah. Well, you're welcome, Sara, and have a great weekend, and we'll see you next week.

Sarah: You too, okay.

DP: Alright, bye-bye.







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