venusian worship in china

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VenusWorshipInChina

Thosethatarefollowingmyvolumesareveryfamiliarwithmyreason

andpurposeespeciallyinregardstotherootofplanetaryandpossibly

Galacticcontrolanddomination.

Afteryearsofimmersion,dedicationtostudy,experiences,testimonials,

andvariousotherformsoftrueexposuretothematterIhavelocated

oneofthemainculprits,Venus/Lucifer.

Iwillnotusethisparticulardocumenttogointogreatdetailaboutthis

asteroidmasqueradingasaPlanetthatisclearlyoccupiedwithsome

typeofBeingofaVampiricnaturewhichgoesundervarioustitlesuch

asInanna,Astarte,Ashtoreth,Isis,Lucifer,Vesper,Ti,I,V,etc.Therewill

beamuchgreaterdissertationonthattopic.Atthismomentwea

focusedonlyonVenusworshipinChina.

AsChinabecomestheworldssuperpoweritisofgreatestvalueto

innerstandexactlyhowthedimensionmaybeputundertotalcontrolif

someonedoesnotbringtruthtothesurfaceinregardstoVenustonot

onlyvariousfactionsaroundtheworldbuttoalsotheChinesewhohave

beeneverundertheyokeofCommunismandlackthereasoningtoeven

determinewhytheyshouldmakecertaindecisionontheirown.

Itshouldbeclearthatwithin30yearsChinawillneedtwoEarthsto

supportitsdemandforrawresources,thisisafact.OneshouldfurtherinnerstandthatasuperpowersuchasChinaisnotgoingtowaitforthe

worldsresourcestoreachthebrinkofbeingdiminished.Theywill

attempttodominateandcontrolthewholeworldastheTitansclashfor

thelastbitofresourceslefttosupporttheirfastgrowingnations.Thisis

theriseofthemachines.

Itisclearthatthevariouspowersthatbemorecorrectlytermedthe

headsofthedragonthatbiteoffoneanotherhavebeenpoisedagainst

oneanotheratvarioustimes,theyhavenowhoweverjoinedforces.

ItisafactthatwhentheoccultistJackParsonsputthefinishingtouches

onthegreatbomballowingitseffectstobedisplayedintheatrocityof

HiroshimaandNagasakitheywerebutbuyingtimeoftheinevitable

worlddominationoftheOrient.TheU.S.hasonlybeenabletokeep

certainpowersatbaybybeinginpossessionofsuperweapons(Dr.

Manhattan).Thatrealityisnomore.Chinahasdefectorsinplacefor


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manyoftheU.S.sdeadlytoysandifanyonerememberstheU.S.was

accusedofusingHAARPonChinainwhatIbelievewasafinalattempt

tobackChinadown.

LetitbeclearIamonthesideofneither.Asthisfoolishfalseflaggame

ofSpyvsSpycontinuesitisonlythepeoplewhosufferthemost.Thebeastwasmerelybuyingtimeaseverythingistiminginthecube.

WiththeU.S.onthedeclineandpossiblesurrendertheyevenshowed

theirallegiancetoChinabylightinguptheEmpireStatebuildingwith

Chinascolorsontheir60thAnniversaryofcommunismin2009.Thisis

tosignifythatChinaisthenewEmpire.Itisalsoanindicatorthat

whateverfactionthatexistedagainstCommunismintheUnitedStates

hasnowbeencompletelyinfiltrated,ifiteverexisted.

AsweknowtheU.S.alongwithitssecretrelationshipwithNaziGermanyhasbroughtaboutanentirelydifferentperspectiveonblack

bagjobs,falseflagoperations,CIAprojects,andseveralotherOpsthat

seemtopenthegreaterforcesoftheUnitedStatestothegreaterforces

ofNaziGermany.

IknowpersonallythataddressingtheheresyofpastPresidentsandthe

currentoneforthatmatterwilldonothingmorethanweakenabranch

ofthetree.Weshallgofortheroot.

ChinafindsitselfinauniquepositionasithastheoldestcivilizationaccordingtothisversionoftheMartix.Thisautomaticallyplacesthe

OrientasoneofthefirstPlantstobeginmodifyingsubservientsouls

inhumanbodies.Thereisnoplaceintheworldthatbrandishesthe

DragonmorethanChina.Indiawouldplacesecondandalsodoessoin

population.

Anindividualwouldseriouslyneedtoaskthemselvesifthelargest

populationsintheworldaresubservienttotheSerpentandtheDragon,

whathastakenplace?ThetruthistheEarthhasbeeninvadedalready

andissetforitsnextstageifsomethingisnotdone.

ThisiswhyIhavechosetomanifestinthisrealityatthismoment

becausetheresultsofthisatrocityhasfarreachingeffects.People

shouldknowthatthereisnosuchthingastime,itisapartoftheillusion

ofaworldthathasbeenproperlytitled01,bythoseintheknow.


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SothusasyousawinthemovietheMatrixwhatistohappentothis

worldalreadyhappened.Weplayatthismomenttimetravelersasthe

illusionoftimehasbeencreatedtobringaboutsomewhatofa

suspendedanimationthatcanrollunderthetalesofthetimeloop.

Whatthisisallaboutischangingacertainpartofthepastinordertobringaboutafuturerealitythatisoppositetothedestructionand

criticalmassthatawaitstheworldwithinthenext9yearsorreasonably

less.

Asimpleexaminationwilltellyouthatiftheworldsfiniteresourceswill

atonepointrunout,therewillbechaosscheduledandtheGreat

Tribulationwillbegin.However,Weareheretotellyouthatitdoesnot

havetotakeplace.

AsoulsrightfulplaceisintheSeawhichistheHeavensinwhichtheytravelaboutethericrealitieswhollygeneratedinthemindsofthose

whoinnerstandsuchthings.Thesoulitselfisnotaconsumerbuta

generatorandcanliveoffofpranicsubstancesuchaswhatWecall

oxygen.ThisisbeyondtheBreatharianastheyarestillinphysical

bodies,butsomethinglikeit.

TomakeitclearwhatImsayingistheinfusingofthesoul,whichcan

fly,intoahumanbody,whichcannot,isaproductofdiabolicalwizardry

thatstemsbacktoatleasttheSumerian/AtlantianEra.

Toconsidereverything,intheeventthiswasaplantoallowUsasa

etherialtypespeciestocommuneanotherwayithasbroughtabout

anotherphasethatwasprobablyunexpectediftheabovementioned

scenarioisthecase.

IfwechosetobeinbodiesandliveontheEarthtoenjoyeachother

comingoutoftheimmortalpoolofexperiencingtheAllwithin,then

therehasbeenanintrusion.Inthiscurrentrealityifhumansare

depictedasfishthereareNetershere.FishersofmenwithLuciferic

agendastotrapsoulhereduetotheirdisconnectionfromtheSource.

TheentireLucifericAgendaisthatofafalselightspiritualforceseeking

toplaceitselfbetweenman/womanandtheMostHigh.Therearemany

thatareguiltyofthis,mostpopularlyJesus.


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ItisafactthatJesusisofVenusianpersuasionandthatonlybecomes

clearlyapparentwhenonegoesintotheexaminationofhigher

initiationsofreligionssuchasGnosticism,Mormonism,Catholicism,

TheosophyandvariousSolarBrotherhoodsandCults.

ThestandardChristian,whomostarestillyettocompletethebiblewhilestillignoringtheobviouscontradictions,arenotinformedandare

usedfornumbers,soulforce,moneyandanythingelsethesevampires

candrinkfromthepeople.

Againthisisnottheplacetodiscusssuchthingsindetailastheyare

lengthyandneedthoroughresearchpresentedtoconvincethe

skeptic.Butforthosealreadyintheknowweshallcontinue.Forthose

yettobeintheknow,afullvolumeofthisknowledgewillbeavailablein

thenearfuture.

ItisanadmittedfactbytheChinesethatthesymboloftheDragonitself

inChinaisthatofVenusgoingundervarioustitles,Ti,Di,I,TaiPaietc.

Chinausesaflagof5pentagramsagainstaredbackground.

Partoftheinformationbeingbroughtforthhere,lessitdisappeartotally

fromtheinternet,isfromatranscriptofaninterviewdonebetweena

gentlemanbythenameofEricMillerandamostpersistentfellowby

thenameofRaspinwhoisclearlyaseekerthatishotonthetrailofthe

RedDragon.

SinceChinaistheoldestcivilizationitwouldtrulymeanthatbeliefs

suchasthoseoftheMaya,Aztec,andvariousotherserpentworshipping

indigenoustribesoriginallystemfromonesourcewhichhasforever

resteditselftobeservedinChina.

ThetermIinMesoamericawasthatgiventotheirgodtheDragon

hencetheIChing64Hexagrams8X8thesameastheChessboard

commonlycalledtheCube.Atthispointitisclearthatthecubeisthe

dangerousvehicleofillusionandmanyhavebeentrappedinthecube.

BelowIwillbesuretoincludethetranscriptandonlywishtohighlight

afewthingsatthismomentasIhaveamuchgreatervolumeof

knowledgetoproduceonthesubjectwhentimeallows.

ThefirstisthementionoftheyellstarVenus.Whichbasically

implicatesthatthereisacertainpointthatisrecordedbythemapping


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oftheVenuspentagramintheskythatindicatesthemomentofgreat

warsduetoatransformativelight.Icallthistheyearofthelight.

ForthosethatareunawaretheyshouldknowVenustracesapentagram

intheskywhilemakingitsprocessioninunitsof13.Allthenumbers

associatedwiththisAsteroidwhichmovedEarthoutofthesecondpositionfromtheSunarethosekeptinhighestesteembytheSocieties

whoarenowknowntobeaffiliateswiththedarklordanditsmistess.

TheBlackDragonSamaelandtheRedDragonLilithBlackandRed.

Againoneshouldkeepinmindtheabusethathasbeenbroughtabout

especiallytothechildren.Thisisawarbasedinthemindandthe

symboloftheRabbitplayboy/Semiramis,pedophiliaandallsortsof

atrocitiesareallassociatedwithonethingandleadbacktoonesource.

IhavegreatevidencetoprovethatnotonlydotheprocessionsmarktheentryoftheseChristandAntiChristcharacters,whicharethesame

suchaslordMaietreya,butalsotheentryofmoreconfinedMatrixes

suchasthetotalideaofthenewworldorder.

InesotericetymologywhichIcalltheCiphercomisamainculprit.

YouhaveCommunismwhichistheposterchildforthehivemind.Itis

clearthatmanyoftheChinesearefunctioningonahivemindandas

Chinaboastssuperiorityinnanotechnologyitbecomesapparentthat

thefirstvictimoftheirorganictechnologymaybetheirownpeople.

IhaverecentlyobservedcertainChinesefactionspresentinthecountry

thatImcurrentlyinforthemoment,CostaRica.CostaRicahasgiven

Chinafishingrightstorapetheoceanshereinexchangeforasoccer

stadiumandalittleprofit,whatawaste.

Sincethisdecisiontheoceanshavebeentrashedandmanyofour

aquaticfriendsaresuffering.IhaveobservedtheChinesemoveaboutin

groupswithoneactingasthecontrollerandallfollowtheleadofthe

controller.

ThisisnottosayallChinesearelikethishoweverwhenyouarea

masterofbehavioralscienceitisveryeasyforyoutospotabnormalities

thatmaybesimulatedbydrugs,mentalmanipulations,andpossibly

mentalinterferencesofanentirelydifferentnaturesuchaorganic

technology.


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COMbroughtaboutthecomputerasameansforthebeginningstage

ofthehivemindprogramthatexistinpopularsitessuchasfacebook.

Thisis.COM.Letuskeepinmindtheverycomputeryouareusingnow

probablyhasagreatdealofpartsfromChina.

ThepointistheChineseareencouragednottothinkforthemselvesbuttofollowthemoldoftheirpredecessorsintotheirdestinywhichisof

courseservicetothecountrybycontinuouswork.

Onthesurfaceitmayseemthereisabsolutelynothingwrongwiththis.

However,whenwillWeallrealizethatallofthisworkWehavetodois

notforUs.Ourexistenceasgalacticbeingsisbeingwastedbythe

introductionoftime,thezero,andafalsesenseofnomotioncreatedby

gravity.Wedonotneedthesecars,electronics,etc.andWemost

certainlydonotneedtobeeatingtheanimalswhicharethemselves

soulsthataretrappedherealsomanyofwhicharedegradedhumans

backforanotherroundofreincarnation.

Itisalsoafactthatmanythroughtheirownactionsrobthemselvesof

receivingcertainlevelsofinformationoratleastthecomprehensionof

thatinformationbecausetheydoexactlywhatthecontrollersaredoing

acceptonwhattheyconceiveisonaminuteproperlevel.Letme

explain.

ThesebeingscallingthemselvestheEliteactuallyeatsouls/energy

emanatedfromhumanlifeformstosustainthemselves.Youcancallthis

theBritishThermalUnit.Inturnthehumanseattheanimalsandgeta

muchmorecontaminatedversionbutstilllifebloodnonetheless.A

simplerule,ifitrunsfromyou,donoteatit,itwantstosurvive.

Eatingmeatsandsugarsarenothingmorethanmethodsofthe

controllerstoallowapersontoremainmentallyandspirituallydefunct.

Fluorideandmanysubstanceslikearetheicingonthecakeinthis

schemetokeephumansbasicallysleepandatthemostsleepwalking.

Iwillleavespaceforthereadertodosomethinkingandinvestigations

oftheirownandIwillonlytellyouthatasfarastimethereisjustabout

noneleft.

Thosethatarereadytodosomethingmustactnow.Wehaveformeda

Resistance.www.resistance2010.com


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Wehavecompliedinformationofaprominentfactionthatisbringing

thisatrocitytotheworldintheformofascheduledalienvisitation

youwillfindthathere.www.matrixunderground.com

WeadvisethatyouwatchtheDiscoveryChannelsAtlasSeriesonChina

whichcanbefoundonvarioustorrents.ThiswillmakethepictureveryclearofhowjustaboutallChinesemalesarebeingpreparedforwar.

LastlyIwilladdthisvaluableinformation.

April232001wasthemostimportantdayforVenusasitlinedup,

meaningthefirstleveloftheportalsbecameavailable.Thereseemedto

beadesperatereconnaissanceattemptbyOrionandAries(Serpent

Lion),whichhousesmanyofitsonworldbasesintheUnitedStates

embeddedintooneofthosenamelessmilitaryorganizationsthatthe

U.S.hassomanyof.

TherewasaintelreconflightflownintoChinaonthisdayandifanyone

remembersthatmomenttheywillrememberthatplanewasshotdown

andallequipmentandintelwasdestroyedthustheU.S.andallother

factionsthatareunderthatumbrellanevergainedtheintelofwhat

cameacrosstheportalandwereitwent.

Onecanbesurethatontheplanewasequipmenttodetectsuchthings

butasChinahasaelectromagneticgridovermanyoftheirsensitive

territoriesthatblockoutsatellitesurveillanceandothermethodsusedtospyonthesetypesofterritoriesitwasmostnecessarytosendina

planewhichcanphysicallyflythroughtheelectromagneticfieldand

gatherthedatawhileinsidethebubble.Thismissionwasafailure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EP3E

ItshouldbecleartheChineselanguagewithsomanysmallpartsandof

thegreatestcomplexityistheoriginlanguageofmostlanguageson

EarthafterBabel.KeyiswrittenChi.LoisLowetc.TocipherChineseto

discoveritsMatrixCodewilltakeussometimebutthebestmindsareonitasthisisbeingwritten.

Weasapeoplecantakethisnolonger.Alltheliesalongwithallthe

manipulationsandabusesuponourspecieshastocease.Theywould

lovetomakeeveryonethinkitismandoingallthistohimselfbutIwill

tellyouthereareoffworldinstigatorsthatareeverinfiltratingour


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dimensionfromvariouslevelsbecausetheydoinfacthave

representativesherehumanoidandnonhumaniod.Souledoutand

Souless.

Thoseindividualshavebeendeludedthemselvesbypowerand

promisesoffavoritism,intheendtheywillbefoodalso,iftheyareevenedibleafterthecontinuouscorruptionasitappearsthesefiendsdineon

theinnocentandpure.Thisishowtheyliketheirsoulspreparedas

sheep.

Whatwasoftenconsideredbythesefactionswastheappearanceof

DarkMatterBeings,theyaresomethingofGalacticenforcerstasked

withroundingupGalacticscum.

AstheoriginalstoryoftheseBeingsthathavecurrentlyinfused

themselvesunderthemotifofReptiliansgoes,theyarefleeingthroughtimeescapingfinaldesolationfortheiratrocities,enslavingwhatthey

canalongtheway.

Nowwhattheyhavebeenrunningfromisuponthem.Onemaythink

thisworldisbig,buttheMostHighhasBeingsthathaveeyesthesizeof

thisPlanet.Wewillstandformankindandriditofthatwhichithas

beensodeceivedbytheyhardlyknowitexist.7

Transcript:

Note:Dokeepinmindtoreadbetweenthelines.7

VENUS WORSHIP AND ANCIENT CHINA

Eric Miller

Thank you. Well I was very glad to hear that

dissertation there on the re-

synchronization of ancient culture. It solved one of

my biggest problems.

And as far as China's concerned, I'm a yellow fever

type person. So, I was


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very pleased about that. I was going to go through

Velikovsky, show that his

dating of 687 B.C. for the second catastrophic event is

probably an error,

that Velikovsky's sources are incorrect as to his

Chinese sources. He missesand misquotes by, sometimes, 500 years. But amongst

everyone here, we all by

now know that Velikovsky, unlike the rest of us, did

make errors. And so

rather than rehearsing that, I'll just accept that

you'll take it at my face

value, what I've said, and just make a few general

remarks about Venus worship

in ancient China, entertain any questions, break it off

in about five or ten

minutes, then whatever anyone would like to talkabout...then wind it up.

As a scholar I have low stature. In China it's even

lower. But here, in the

United States and in the West it's not so bad, and I'm

usually able to

communicate with other people in the same boat that I

am. As I have

mentioned, little is really assimilated into world

culture from a very, veryimportant part of the world-China. The degree of

sophistication in China is

really amazing to behold once a person lives in it,

becomes exposed to it.

As to the subject of Venus worship, I actually began

Chinese studies because

of my interest in catastrophism. I came to a point in

my life, around the

age of 30 years old, when I had met Velikovsky, had

read all the stuff comingout, was in correspondence with him and some of the

scholars involved in this

business. Given the catastrophic dimension and

bifurcation in the Western

mind, we define things into the good and the evil, the

black and the white,

the devil and the angel. Our whole consciousness is


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organized around the

principle of what I call negation systems of logic:

"P" and "not P." It's

in our mathematics. It's everywhere we turn. It's in

our philosophy. We

cannot go beyond it. The intellectual modalities, thephilosophies of the

Western world are all, almost without exception,

bifurcated systems." I was

also a student of Nietzsche and know his comments on

the bifurcation in the

mind, when he really prophetically plummeted some of

the psychological sub-

stratum of Western culture and revealed it as having

this catastrophic

dynamic.

The thought then occurred to me, "Could all of these

stories of catastrophism

and all of this...Could this really be more a figment,

more from the West?

More of the same kind of divided, confused and

conflicted thought processes?"

So, I decided to check China. And I said to myself,

"If I can go to China and

absorb myself in the poetry, the music, the language,

the written and spokenword-and assimilate as much culture as I can for as

long as I can, and not

find clear and unequivocal evidence that all of these

images and motifs are

incarnate in Chinese culture, then I'm going to

conclude that this is more

Western madness."

So then the question is...Because, probably, you all

know, if I can say two

words in Chinese I'm learned to many people, so lackingare we in cross-

cultural correspondences. But the fact of the matter

is there is a

cornucopia of confirming data and information in China,

not only in the

ancient world, but surviving into its...


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(Missing text due to change of tape)

...Primarily I'm a poet, and it's my business, to do

these things. In China

we will find the confirming link for the fact that

Venus was a comet, didhave catastrophic impact upon the world, that there's

ubiquitous evidence,

and it is contained in a form that hardly anyone has

yet been exposed to. So

that is going to be a wonderful surprise when all of us

as part of a unified

culture, can talk of the Book of the I Ching, the Jo I

(sp?), the Shu King

(sp?) and other books in the same breath, just as we

talk about the Greek

myths, or Sumerian, or Acadian, or the Popol Vuh, orwhatever. I won't offer

evidence now, but there's much of it. Whoever looks is

going to find it. It

is difficult to get into learning Chinese characters,

but it's no different

from learning any new language. The younger you are

the quicker you get it.

So that won't be an impediment. As more translations

come on line, the more

of us can readily assimilate it. Basically, that's allI have to say.

Are there any questions or anything?

Moderator: We have a number of them. Charles

Ginenthal?

Ginenthal: I'm interested in the dragon motif. That

is, the dragon motif and

its identification with Venus. What have you found

about that?

Miller: Again, you know, I have to be careful here

too. I don't want to

overstate anything, so much as I can help it. But I

have found that this is

one of the biggest problems, really. It's a very good

question. You can


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consult almost any book, and that book is going to tell

you that the dragon

in the East is not like the dragon in the West. So

forget any comparisons

whatsoever. The dragon in China is benign. It's a

representative of naturespirit. It has to do with rain, the creative spirit,

all of these positive

things. And there are not these negative associations

in Chinese culture

with the dragon, which is a morbid, threatening,

fearful, horrifying kind of

image in the Western world.

Well the Chinese transmogrified, I believe, that image

of the dragon. The

earliest roots of the dragon in the Chinese, probably,that we can come to...

See, we can come to things from many different

directions. We come to them

from inscriptions in the cauldrons and the ancient

texts. The oldest ancient

text is the I Ching, or the Jo I (sp?), which is the

Book of Changes that

many people know it by. You know, where they throw the

coins; supposedly, of

course they didn't throw the coins, that's a Western method. It has nothing

to do with the original method. But, the word "I" in I

Ching is a picture of

a head with a dock (sp?) in it, and legs. Now, that

image is the

prototypical image of the dragon. We find in

Mesoamerica, there's also a name

for the dragon pronounced "I." It's the same dragon.

When you examine the

Mesoamerican dragon and check out the etymology of that

in those languages,you find it's the same as in Chinese. So as to more

globally speaking, it is

not true that the dragon ever was this benign figure

and has nothing to do

with either Venus or anything else. It has everything

to do with Venus. And

I believe that's the prototypical image of Venus in


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Chinese culture. And

that means representing Venus in the appearance in the

heavens as a dragon.

Ginenthal: I'm interested in the point you made about

the dragon of the Eastand the dragon of the West. Because, if Venus was seen

as morning star and

evening star...

Miller: I believe the Chinese were the first to know

that Venus was the

morning and the evening star.

Ginenthal: ...evening star...One of the stars was

benign and the other was

deadly, and was the hag. Is there anything like that,at all, about it?

Miller: The amazing thing is, everything you have in

Western culture, we have

in Chinese culture. We have the trinity, we have the

Mother Goddess in all

three of its aspects-the young virgin, the hag

and...What's the middle one?

Just the nice, maternal mother. So we have all the

trinity. Whether it's aform of human consciousness that we defined and

categorized things as we do,

whether it all derived from a common cosmic kind of

experience that we all

saw, but it's just incredible to me that that's the way

it is everywhere in

the world.

Ginenthal: So, you're saying that they do speak of...

Miller: Not only that, the straggly hair, the flaminghair, you know, the

whole scenario. I'm trying to remember the name

of...Medusa. Yes, we have

our Chinese Medusa. With snakes in her hair, just like

the Greek.

Everything. It's amazing, everywhere you turn, the

same thing.


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Moderator: Charles Raspil.

Raspil: Yes, thank you. I believe the Mother God of

the West, I think it was

either 3 B.C. or 3 A.D.-was acting up.

Miller: ...(???)...

Raspil: I'm not quite sure of the name. It sort of

matches the Star of

Bethlehem chronology. Do you know anything about that

or...

Miller: 300 B.C.?

Raspil: No, about 3 B.C., either 3 B.C. or 3 A.D.Right around that period.

Miller: It may be that China just has the most

complete record of all of

these things. It is a possibility. So when you give

that date, I start

thinking in my mind, "Yes, there's that one, but is

that a big enough one to

be the kind of event that he may be talking about?"

Raspil: You say the Mother Goddess is wearing long

hair, and people are

getting worried, and carrying on...

Miller: Yes. Just as Heinrich (sp?) said, as we know,

at the turn of the

millennia there were earthquakes happening all over

Rome-two ... three

hundred a day, I recall reading somewhere. So, there

were turbulent things

happening all the time, including at 1 B.C., 100 B.C.,50 B.C.

Raspil: Similarly there's this phenomenon, I think I'm

pronouncing it

correctly, the Ching Sing.

Miller: Ching Shing (sp?).


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Raspil: Okay. I did a paper on it in Horus several

years ago...

Miller: Oh, Venus? Ching Shing (sp?)

Raspil: Yes. Venus coming over the meridian.

Miller: Yes. The word "Ching" means "gold." And so

the character for "gold,

" the ancient hieroglyphic of it, shows the roof, you

know. And then it has

these areas like this, with little dots in them. And

this is supposed to

represent the heavens over the Earth. And these lines

like that, that have

the dots in them, represent the gold nuggets in theEarth. So the "metal

that is the metal of heaven" is gold. So the God of

China is Ching Shing

(sp?), which is the planet, Venus. Another name for it

is "Tai Pai" (sp?)-

"Great White." So we have, all over the world the name

of God is the "Great

White."

Raspil: What I'm interested in is that Ching Shing(sp?) phenomenon seems to

have occurred every few hundred years, at least in the

Chinese record, as

late as 1340, with Venus coming over...

Miller: Well, when you ... In the sense that you're

referring to it, because

you have obviously read some of these books. Yes,

there are three periods

where there are spectacular events associated with

Ching Shing (sp?). Inspecific alignment ... one of the oldest sources ...

with all the planets.

They came into conjunction under the reign of Yao

(sp?), I believe.

Raspil: One other thing, if I may: There's something

in China called ... I


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thought it was pronounced "chi," but I understand it's

pronounced "ki," which

refers to some sort of emanation which, according to a

history of Chinese

astrology ... Derek Walters, was not quite sure of what

it referred to. Doyou know anything about that? Yes, the emperor would

examine the ki or the

chi at the time of the equinox and the solstice, and

it seems like some sort

of, perhaps, an electric emanation or a psychic thing.

Do you know anything

about that?

Miller: Not specifically, and I don't know how to

pronounce it, either. I

say the words, but which tone that it's in, I'm notalways certain. So a

Chinese might not even know what I'm talking about, but

if I gave the

character, they'd immediately know what I was talking

about. The only thing

I can say about the chi or ki, is the emanation, the

spirit ... Isn't this

what you're talking about?

Raspil: Yes, but it also looks like a physicalphenomenon when it's observed

in the early B.C. period.

Miller: Yes, right, right. In the records, all of

these terms ... I wasn't

just meaning "breath" [but] Heaven's "breath." And, is

it associated with a

phenomena like electricity or fire? The answer is

"yes," in its proper

domain, in the heavens. The chi of heaven. Events can

happen in heaven,electricity or something. That's the chi of heaven.

So a particular event

that was classified as that, I can't think of ...

Raspil: It seemed that it was a common phenomenon and

it was observed by a

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Christ, at least, the Han

Dynasty.

Miller: I'm sorry I really can't think of what that

source might be off hand.

Raspil: Maybe ... I think in Suma Chien (sp?), again.

Miller: Suma Chien (sp?)? Well, he's the best

authority there is ... He's

the Herodotus of the East, though he, too, may have

made a few errors he's

probably the most reliable source for anything like

that.

Raspil: Thank you.

Questioner 3: Just a quick question. In the last day

or two, talking to

different people I get different stories as to whether

or not the early

Chinese astronomers did or did not observe Venus. In

other words, was there a

period of time when they didn't observe Venus, and then

later it is listed ...

or becomes a part of the observed planets? Or did you

delve that far intoearly astronomy?

Miller: Is the question, "Was there a time period when

Venus was not

recognized to be one of the planets?" I don't know

that I would say it that

way in the context of Chinese stories, but I can say

there are plenty of times

when Venus isn't where it's supposed to be. There are

times when Mars was

gone for a long time, and didn't come back. I do notknow of a period or a

reference to an ancient period in the Chinese records

where there was no

Venus. I don't know of one. There may be, at some

point where that was the

case, but I rather doubt it.


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Unintelligible question from the audience.

Miller: Venus. It could easily have been either.

There are about 17 names

for Venus in Chinese (don't hold me on the number).

The thing that's reallyamazing to me is that they're the very same names ...

The ordinary ones we

have no problem with. Everyone can say "the beautiful

star." Great, that's

one of them. "The flower star." Great, that's another

one. "The morning

star." We got that. But how about "the holler," "the

yeller," "the star of

punishment," "the star of death?" You know, "the Great

Yeller." Ahhhh....

(yelling). This kind of thing. I suppose there areways to interpret and to

understand that. If you presume and presuppose that,

"Well, we had our

ritual wars when Venus rose up. And so that's the time

that we yell. So we

call that 'yell star.' Because when that star comes up

that's when we go to

war. And it has nothing to do intrinsically with

Venus." And yet why do we

find that all over the world-those same odd names forVenus?

Miller: 23 A.D.? There are many instances in the

Chinese records when Venus

didn't keep to its course, when Jupiter didn't keep to

its course, and when

Mars did not keep to its course. And Jupiter is a

little strange. It's a

little hard to understand, because they ... Tai Shuei

(sp?) is a name for

Jupiter. And then they have two Jupiters. They weresort of like modern

cosmologists, because they had one Jupiter that they

called Tai Shuei (sp?),

which is like the twin, the dark body twin of it. They

figured it in their

computations about where Jupiter was, but you'd never

see it. But, yes,


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there's many, many records that, I think, will coincide

with all the Western

records. I think China will help clarify the confusion

that we have in coming

to an explicitly clear understanding about the issue.

I think, by now,taking China, is like a new standard, a new rule. OK,

here's almost like a

pristine new test case. Let's take all this stuff and

see, and if it matches

up with everything, what conclusion can we come to?

Questioner 5: Well, I've been thinking like you've

been thinking-in Seattle.

And I happen to have the acquaintance of a man who's a

Chinese doctor, and

his wife. And he's an educated man. And I'm viewingMars as the great

assaulter of the Earth in ancient times. So I went to

him I asked him,

"Doctor ...(???)... , I know that the word for Mars in

Chinese means "the

fire star." You know, from Latin we have many words

from Mars, like

"marauder" and "march" and "marshal." So I asked him

that question. Is there

a family of words...And these are usually bad actionwords like "mortician,"

and "mortal," and "immortal," and "murder"...

Comment: Negative connotation or innotation.

Questioner 5: Oh yes. "Disarray" from Aries and

"arson." So this is a

question I put in front of him. And he came to me a

week later, and he said,

"Mr. Patten, I've checked this out in my Chinese

dictionaries and ..." hesaid, "Yes, you're right. The word is 'fire star' for

Mars. But there's an

older word." And he stroked it out for me. It was

actually two figures.

And he said, "Now, I don't know what this means, but

the bottom half of this

one figure means 'fire.' And this other figure has a


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Sheng" (sp?). It means

"white star"-"tai pai."

Questioner 5: Incidentally, I intend to do this, to

get contacts to do it in

the Korean language also. They're different, I'm told.

Miller: Every time I find an Asian, another culture, I

always ask them, "How

do you say or spell or write 'Venus' in your language?"

Moderator: Is that it? In "Bini" (sp?), the language

of Binin City (sp?) in

Nigeria, whose language I used to speak, the word for

Venus is ...(???)... ,

which means "the Moon's rival," which is interesting, I

think, tocatastrophists because today we do not think of it as

rivaling the Moon.

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