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MEETING BETWEEN THE HONOURABLE P W BOTHA AND CHAI'ICELLOR

H ELMUT KOHL ' I N B ONN ON 5 J U N E 19 8 4 AT 11H 0 0

ALSO PRESEN

A L MANLEY — OFF ICE OF THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS

MR HORST TELTSCHIK — ADVISER .0 CHANCELLOR KOHL ON FORFIGN

AND INNER GERMAN RELATIONS DEVELOPMENT POLICY AND FXTERNAL

S ECURITY .

MR KOHL IN WELCOMING THE PRIME MINISTER SAID THAT THE

CONVERSATION COULD ONLY BE USEFUL IF IT WAS AN OPEN

DISCUSSION WHERE CRITICAL MATTERS WOULD BE t4ENTIONED.I T

W OULD t4OT HEL P T O H I D E B E H I N D T H E D I P LOMATI C NI C E T IE S . B<<TT HEN THE P R I ME M I N I S TE R D I D N O T L OOK L I K E A DI P L OMAT T O l l I M .

HE WAS EXACTLY A S H E HA D I tt A GI NED H I l '1 TO BF..

RELATIONS BETWEEN THE .WO COUNTRIES SHOULD NOT BF.

UNNECESSARIALL Y B URDENED. THERE WAS T O B E A DE BATF. ON THF.VISIT IN THE BUNDESTAG BUT THAT DID NOT DISTURB THE

CHANCELLOR. WH A T WAS IMPORTANT WAS WHAT THE TWO I,FADERS

SAID T O E ACH OTHERS. HE WAS AN OPENMINDED PERSOtl•

T HE CHANC E L LOR S UG G E S TED T HA T T H E TW O L EA D ER S S PFAK FO R 3 0

OR 40 M I NUTES AND THEN, IF T HE P RI M E M I N I S T E R A G l<KL'D • T l <ETWO FOREIGN MI N I S T ERS CO<<LD JOI N T H EM.

THE P R I M E MI N I ST E R SA I D TH A T HE WO U LD L I K F. T O D t S < '<<8-'S<)Ml'

PESONAL M ATTERS W I T H T H E CHA N CELL OR AN I ) T HF N HF . W<)<ll.t>

t<tELCOME HAVING THE TWO PORZIGN MINISTERS PRFSFNT.r

M l' t ( O ) t l , h : K F P T HE P R 1 htl ) M I N T S T ) . R T O S TA R T W) T } l A NY POI N TS HF .

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1 ,1)NC)t N F X T DO OR .

11R KOH), WA S P ) , FA I E D T < ) h )EET T HE PR I I 1E MI N I ST F R . Hl : W AS T HE

MAN Hl: THOUGHT H L 1 JAS . TH E P A T )1 THAT H E HA D CH (<SEN WAS FUI,L

OF R I S K S . h1R K O H L ) JA S A L S O F X P FR I E N C I N G S O htFT H I N G S ) MI L A R .

T HE F R I I ) E M I N I S TE R T f )ANKED THF. CHANCFI LOR FOR TH E I N V IT A T I ON

TO V I S I T W EST G E R I ANY AN D F O R T H E G I FT G I V E N T O HI ht . H l' .

A ),WAYS ENJOYEIr V I SI T I N G WEST GERhthNY . HE HAD P R FV I OUSLY t l h I r

PI.EASANT E X PFRI ENCES I tt TH I S CO}JNTRY AND H E H OPI.D T O G O BA( K

AGAIN ( J I T H P L EASANT MEh1ORIES

THERE WAS ONE h1ATTEI' WHICH WAS OF GREAT IMPORTANCE FOR

REIWTIONS BFT)JEEN THE TWO COUNTRIFS . TH I S WAS CO-OPFRATION

IN T } I E I ND I )STRI A L F I EI Lr . HE HAD T HF. PRFV I OI)S DA Y MET

PROMINENT GERMAN INDUSTRIALIS. S AND BUSINESSh1EN. T HF Y WERE

TO GO FORWARD W ITH CO-OPFRATION AND EXPANSION IN SOUT)l

AFRICA AND THF SOUTfl AFRICAN GOV}IRNMFNT WOUI.D CREATE

FACI L I T I ES F CIR TH E C O - OPERATI ON T O ( ' ONT I NUF, . I N APDI T T ON )T

WAS IMPORTANT THAT CL'RTAIN SPECIA),ISFD KNOW-HOW BE MAD}:

A'VAILABLE T(') THE SOUTH AFRICAN AUTHORITIES . IN ON E

PARTICULAR It)STANCE HE UN)')ERSTOOD THAT EVERY'1'HING HhD BFFN

A RRANGED BFTWEEN I K) , / 1)DN ( } }OWALDTS)IERK):- ) )EUTSC}}E W).RFT A G )

AND THF S OI)TH A F R I CA N S H I P B UT),I)FR . TT W A S NO W A Q UI STI<>N <>F

THE CONCURRFNCF- OF THE "BUNDES SICHERHEI))SIUrrAD

(STAATSVEILIGHEIDSRAAD) . H E W ISHED TO IMPRESS THE

SFRIOUSNESS O F TH I S tlA T , F R O N T HF. CHht)CFLI.OR AIJI) T O A P I ' } :h )

TO HI M T O T A K E A PO S IT I V E DI ' C I S I O N A S S OON h S P O S S I ) t ) I : .

MR KOHI SAI D THA T HE WOULD T A K E Ch ) t l ' .O I ' T } 1E MATTFH

PFRSONAI.I.Y AND A S KED WHIITl )ER T HF. S I ' I :( .' IA ) , I SE D KN<iW-tt<iW Wh.'

DESTI NED T O B F, t )SFD H Y S OUTt l A F R I ( ' h Al ONI' . T f l t '

MINI S TER SA I D THA T I T WA S Nl : C l '.HSARY F OR ( ' OASTA) PATR<)) •

IIOIL ASK ED W HETHER I T WA S S P F EL)BOATS ' I 'HAT SO UTH A l ' 'R l ' A

NRKISD.

T)IE P R I M E 1'1IN IS T E R SA I D THA T SOU TH A F RI C A ON I Y SO U GHT

SPECIAL ISED K N OW -H OW . SOU T H A F R ICA W OULD U SF. ITS QWN

SHIPYARD S AN D W OU L D E V E N TUA LLY B U ILD IT S OW N U -B O A T S .

MR KQHL SA I D TH AT H E W OU L D LO OK IN TO T kIE MATTER AND W R ITF. TO

T HE P R I l '1E M I N I ST E R P E R SONAL L Y .

THE SECOND POINT WHICH THE PRIME MINISTER WISHED TO RAISE

WAS SOUTH WEST AFRICA . I T WAS H I S C ONSI DERED OPI N I ON , AN D

IN THIS CONNECTION HE AGREED WITH THE UNITED STATFS OF

AMERICA, THAT SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 435 COULD NOT BE

CARRIED OUT UNTIL THE CUBANS LEF. ANGOLA BECAUSE IF THFY

CONTINUED TO BE PRESEtlT THERE WOULD BE CHAOS AND CONFUSIQN

WHICH WOULD NOT A L LOW FREE AN D F A I R El EC T I ONS I N N A )1I B IA .

THEY POSED A THREAT TO THE PEOPLE OF NAMIBIA . HE HOPED THAT

HE COULD RELY ON WESTERN COUNTRIES TO Sl<PPORT THE UNITED

STATES OF AtlERICA TO IMPRESS UPON ANGOLA THAT THE CUBANS

SHOULD LEAVE . THE RE WAS ALSO THE QUESTION OF THE llFAVY

FINANCIAL BURDFN WHICH THE REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA HAD TO

BEAR TO KEEP THE NAMIBIA ECONOMY ALIVE . AN AM O UNT OF R658

ll I L L I O N WAS B E I N G P ROVI DED B Y S OUTH A F R I C A I N DI R ECT S UPPQRT

OF THE SOUTH WEST AFRICAN ADM INSITRATION . TH IS DJD NOT

INCLUDE EXPENDITUR ON DEF ENCE . HE H AD A C H ART WITH 11IM

WHICH ILLUSTRATED SOUTH AFRICA'S CONTRIBUTION AND WOUI.D

LEAVE A COPY WITH THF. CHANCELLOR . TH E R E WAS A GROWING

FEELItlG AMONGST RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE IN SOUTH AFRICA TO PUT

PRESSURE ON tlAMIBIA TO BFCQME INDEPENDENT BUT THERE WAS

NOBOBY ELSE IN THE INTERNATIONAl, COMMUNITY WHO WOULD TAKI'

OVER SOUTH AFRICA'S FINANCIAL BURDFN . THE FXCEPTION WAS A

LI M I T E D NUMBER OF I ND USTRI A L P R Oi)FCTS . Sl lO UI.D SQUTl l A F R1 <'A

WITHDRAW ITS ECONOMIC SUPPORT AND TROOPS , SQUTH WEST AFRICA

WOULD FALL ON BAD T IMES . TH E S E FACTQRS SHOULl) BF, BQRNH lN

MIND I tl T RY I N G T O F I t JD A SQ L U T I Ot l TO T H E S QUTl l WEST A F R l CAt l

PROBLEM . TH IS WAS WHY HE SUGGFSTFD THAT T l F I E '1' ' OV' <

THE ADMI N I S T RA UTH WFST AFRIC A SQUTH Al'Pl<'h WAS

P AYING A HE AV Y P R I C E A T A T I ME WHEN D EVEI.Ok'tlEt>T CAP ITA I W A S

URGENTLY N E EDED I t l SO UTH A F R JCA . HE MO REOVER <1<)T N<)

APPRECIATION FOR THE BURDEN TIIAT HE B<)RF..