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Nadcap MANAGEMENT COUNCILOCTOBER 2005

UNCONFIRMED MINUTESOCTOBER 19, 2005

PITTSBURGH MARRIOTT CITY CENTERPITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 19, 2005

Call meeting to order & record attendance

The following representatives were in attendance:

NMC Voting Members in Attendance:

Rossella Andreozzi Alenia AeronauticaDianna Berube Pratt & WhitneyJon Biddulph Rolls-Royce GroupJames Bratton Lockheed MartinEd Engelhard Owego Heat Treat, Inc.Jerry Erickson Rockwell CollinsDebra Harrison DCMARichard Hill Praxair Surface TechnologyRichard Kana PTI IndustriesCherif Khelil SAFRANArne Logan The Boeing Company John McBrien GSAMichael McLean BombardierSteve Meyer Eaton AerospaceJay Park Northrop GrummanMichel Pierantoni EADS-EurocopterManfred Podlech MTU Aero EnginesMark Rechtsteiner GE Aircraft EnginesJohn Reid BombardierChatt Rhodes Cessna AircraftDavid Soong Hamilton SundstrandCamille Valmy AirbusJerry Wahlin AAA PlatingKevin Ward Goodrich

ProxiesTom Murphy Sikorsky Aircraft – proxy for Frank GritskoDoug French Vought Aircraft – proxy for Mike SpencerJim Dolbee Raytheon Aircraft – proxy for Janice Abeita-Lynch


Task Group Chairs in Attendance:

Ward Barcafer The Boeing CompanyWayne Canary Rolls-Royce Corp.Mark Covert HoneywellMark Gleason GE AircraftKeith Kastner Cessna AircraftPhil Keown GE AircraftLance Loeks The Boeing CompanyDoug Matson The Boeing CompanyByron Nellans Rockwell CollinsJohn Sattler Raytheon AircraftJack Saunders Honeywell

Meeting Attendees:

James Ahlemeyer Dynabill Industries Inc.Bob Akin Quality Heat TreatingDave Alldredge The Boeing CompanyLeandro Aparicio Advanced Coating TechniqueBryon Ater BG&S Peening & ConsultingPeter Atwell AirbusFrancis Averous ZodiacAndrew Bakewell E M Inspection Co., LtdLloyd Barker Alcoa Fastening SystemsEric Barreau SNECMANicolas Barthelemy EADS EurocopterSteve Bauer Northrop GrummanMarc Belanger BombardierMichael Bemis Goodrich-AerostructuresNorm Bennett Suncoast Heat TreatKevin Bidlack Applied Aerospace Structures Corp.Sylvain Bisaro Howmet Normandy CastingRichard Borg ExactathermBruce Boris TimetAlain Bouchet Snecma ServicesGriff Braddock Braddock MetallurgicalMark Brown Braddock MetallurgicalNichelle Bruce Metal Improvement WestMike Buffington GE AviationZeljco Calija Goodrich-AerospaceJim Carpenter Jasco Heat TreatingMark Cathey Spirit AeroSystemsJohn Chir Timken Latrobe SteelDavid Ciosek The Boeing CompanyBen Clark Eaton AerospaceDenis Clermont BombardierJeff Cogley Tech Met, Inc.Byron Colcher Raytheon AircraftMichael Coleman The Boeing Company


David Constable AirbusPhillip Cox Rolls-Royce plcMark Crevier P&WJohn Cristman X-Ray IndustriesDiana Crombie Skills, Inc.Jim Cummings Metal Finishing CompanySusan Cummings American BrazingThomas Cunningham Haynes InternationalRobert Custer AAA Plating & Inspection Inc.Bill Davis GE Aircraft EnginesMarsha Davis Lockheed MartinMichael Davis GE AviationPhil DeHennis AuditorRoberto Del Pezzo Alenia AeronauticaKaryn Deming Goodrich-AerostructuresPascal Deneau ACTIAHugh Dickinson The Boeing CompanyMike Duffy Advanced Coating TechniqueMark Emerson Rolls-Royce Corp.Rainer Endress MTU Aero EnginesYves Esquerre AirbusDemaree Faulkner Rolls-Royce Corp.Les Feinings AirbusWilliam Fitzgerald Northrop GrummanLisa Fostveit Anoplate Corp.Scott Frazier BoeingMike Gallagher Lockheed MartinSteve Garner Eaton AerospacePhilippe Gastebois ASD-PROLaurent Geerts SONACAMiguel Gerdel Thermal StructuresJohn Gibriano Bristol IndustriesGeorge Gieger Braddock MetallurgicalMichel Gourlain SAFRANHue Green Lockheed MartinPaul Grevatt AirbusDale Harmon Cincinnati Thermal SprayGerald Harvey Chem-Fab Corp.Dan Healey Raytheon AircraftClyde Herrington Eaton AerospaceBill Hewitt Bodycote U.K.Bill Hildebrand The Boeing CompanyDawn Hodges Texas Composite, Inc.Dawn Hodges Texas Composite, Inc.Robert Hoff Timken AerospaceIan Hoge The Boeing CompanyEdward Hohman Bell Helicopter TextronNeville Holmes Rolls-Royce plcMark Hoorn Sun Steel TreatingMike Horky The Boeing Company


Don Horzewski Ladish Co. Inc.Chad Hough Modern IndustriesSteve Hutchinson Suncoast Heat TreatShinichi Imahashi Sogo Spring Mfg. Co. LTDEric Jacklin F.M. Callahan & SonsThiery Jacques EADS EurocopterRichard King NHBBBill Knapp DCI AerotechBetty Kociss HoneywellMasayuki Kogusuri IHIRobert Koukol HoneywellKeven Kudelka Westfield PlatingSerge Labbe Heroux Devtek, Inc.Philippe Lavivee Thales AerospaceClaude Lavoie Cametoid LimitedEric Le Fort SONACANathalie Le Pottier Eurocopter-EADSMario Leclerc BombardierBob Lehnen BodycoteFrank Lennert BoeingDelphine Leroy Thales AerospaceRon Levi Lockheed MartinJohanna Lisa Continental Heat Treating

Quality Heat TreatingDon Lowman Continental Heat TreatingJack Maher Honmen Plating & Mfg. Inc.Sue Margheim Rockwell Collins, IncJeff Marnix US Air ForceJune Mason Texas Composite, Inc.Christian Masson AirbusAndreas Mastorakis GE Aircraft EnginesAntonio Mastrangelo BombardierHeather McGregor GoodrichWilliam Miller Honmen Plating & Mfg. Inc.Donald Missel Lockheed MartinAaron Montoya Alexco LLCTom Mosier HI Tecmetal Group CincinnatiMike Navaira Lockheed MartinWayne Newman VAC-MET Inc.Greg Newton Newton Heat TreatingRobert Nixon Vought AircraftAnnette O'Connell Haynes InternationalTeresa O'Leary Cessna AircraftRick Ouellette The Boeing CompanyLee Parsley Click Bond, Inc.Eddy Pham Northrop GrummanJeremy Phillips Cessna Aircraft-TextronNigel Picken Rolls-Royce plcAlex Pohata HoneywellMark Pompe West Penn NDT


Philippe Pons AirbusLaurence Potez SAFRANJean-Michel Poulier EurocopterKen Prather Vought AircraftKen Quade The Boeing CompanyK.T. Quader BoeingNancy Reeves The Boeing CompanyTyler Ribera Bell Helicopter TextronCarl Roche Textron SystemsTom Rose GE-AviationWayne Samuelson Modern IndustriesJose Sancho NASA GSFCNick Scarfo Lawrence Ripak Co. Inc.Christian Schwaminger MTU Aero EnginesBobby Scott BombardierCraig Scott Goodrich Corp.Frank Seibert Doncasters Inc.Arun Sibal Lockheed MartinDale Simpson Bell Helicopter TextronCecil Slach Rockwell Collins, IncRichard Smernoff B&B SpecialitiesAndrew Snow Raytheon AircraftBill Solchik Rolls-Royce Corp.Michael Song The Boeing CompanyShawn Sova Modern IndustriesAndy Statham Rolls-Royce plcAndrea Steen Rolls-Royce Corp.William Stewart BombardierAlexandrina Stoica BombardierBrendan Sturgeon BombardierYoshiomi Sukesada Asahi Kinzoku KogyoD. Scott Sullivan HoneywellRobert Sutton Newton Heat TreatingMarc Taillandier EurocopterVern Talmadge Howmet Thermatech CoatingsJanice Telford Chem Labs Inc.Alan Tessier Aerospace Welding Inc.Kirk Thams X-R-I TestingDavid Thompson DCI AerotechJeffry Thyssen GE Aircraft EnginesRobert Tiedeman Applied Aerospace Structures Corp.Laetitia Tonnelier-Sidhu AirbusSteve Tooley Rolls-Royce plcPete Torelli BoeingJim Traverso HoneywellGary Trewiler GE Aircraft EnginesColin Turner Hawker De HavilandJim Vannatta Bell Helicopter TextronPaul Vegiard CCPIGary Wallace Parker GTFSD


David Watson BombardierFritz Watson Applied Aerospace Structures Corp.Steve Webster Hamilton SundstrandDavid Wilk Semiray Special ProcessRob Wilkerson GE AviationDouglas Wilson GEAEKevin Winslow Modern IndustriesGeorge Wisbrock Lockheed MartinSteve Wishnowski BombardierDavid Yates Alcoa Fastening SystemsShen Yeh Northrop GrummanJeff Young Braddock Metallurgical

PRI Staff in Attendance:

David AlexanderJerry AstonMark AubeleJohn BarrettJim BennettDon BuehlerJeff ConradNigel CookMarcel CupermanBill DumasLaura FisherPhil FordRebekah FoutzJennifer GallagherLisa GlavanMichael GrahamArshad HafeezDina HeasleyLisa KnestrickJennifer KornrumpfRyuichi KoyamaLiu LeJim LewisDavid LuoniHeather MeyerScott NelsonMike PlouchaSeema SaleemIan SimpsonLouise StefanakisBill Wagner


1.0 Opening Comments

1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check1.2 Introductions1.3 Routing of Attendance List1.4 Approval of minutes from Previous Meeting1.5 Membership

Chet Date opened the NMC meeting. A motion was made to approve the NMC minutes from the July 2005 Nadcap meeting. The motion was seconded and the minutes were approved.

Rossella Andreozzi is replacing Alessandro Ferretti as the Alenia Aeronautica NMC voting representative. Mark Rechtsteiner is replacing Dan Smith as the GE Aircraft NMC voting representative. Richard Hill is replacing Bill Lodwick as the Praxair NMC Supplier voting representative. Cherif Khelil is the new SAFRAN NMC member.

A leadership award was presented to Ed Engelhard. Jon Biddulph was presented the Rolls-Royce plc NUCAP certifications.

2.0 PRI/Nadcap Status Report

- Introduction of new staff- Audit Projections- Auditor Projections- Prime Subscriptions- eAuditNet Status- Europe and Asia Progress

The program status report was given by Arshad Hafeez. Audits over the next three years will be leveling off due to merit. Preassessment audits will begin in 2006. The Electronics task group has been officially launched. The NESPB is evaluating the need for a Repair and Overhaul task group.

Workshops were held in Japan and Spain in June 2005. The Nadcap meeting in Beijing has been confirmed for April 24-28, 2006. Mr. Liu Le of PRI’s China office and Mr. Ryuichi Koyama of PRI’s Japan were introduced. (See attached presentation for more details)

3.0 NMC Chairperson’s Report- Planning & Operations and NMC Steering - Sub-Team Reports

- Metrics- Globalization- Standardization- Oversight- Ethics and Appeals


Chet Daté gave the NMC Chairperson’s report. The Nadcap vision and strategies were discussed for the new meeting attendees. The PRI Board of Directors reiterated a position to establish a process for escape reporting. Three groups are working on the escapes issue with focus on data reporting by primes, and supplier self reporting. This proposal is currently with the SSC for review.

A document revision of the AS7003 was sent to Aerospace Council for review and approval. The revision to the document make it globally recognized by all sectors and provides better clarity and reduced redundancy. The revisions to the AS7003 were approved by NMC. During the ballot to Aerospace Council the SAE-AMS metals division objected to the use of Nadcap AC checklists without the use of an AS document. Due to this objection, Aerospace Council voted to place a 45 day hold on the ballot.

It was also noted that Nadcap meeting through 2008 will continue with the four meetings per year format.

Chet Daté also gave the Metrics Sub-Team report out. Supplier merit is at 71%. First pass yield is at 15%. Failed audits are at 4% of all closed audits. Cycle time is currently 78 days for initial audits and 54 days for reaccreditation audits. 33 audits are over 150 days. Backlog of audits has exceeded goal and lapsed accreditations are at 85%. (See attached presentation for more details)

The Globalization Sub-Team report was given by Camille Valmy. The globalization team is proposing that key documents must be translated into English. All other documents may be translated in writing or verbally during the audit. (See attached for more details)

The Standardization Sub-Team report was given by Arne Logan. The sub-team is working on summarizing and assessing task group baseline criteria and plan to make recommendations to the NMC at the January 2006 meeting. The sub-team is also looking at variations in task group NTGOPs as well as variations in Supplier Merit across the task groups. (See attached presentation for more details)


The Oversight Sub-Team report was given by Jay Park. The PRI Oversight audit will take place on October 24-26 at the PRI Headquarters in Warrendale, Pennsylvania. The audit team will be led by Chatt Rhodes. The audit team consists of seven primes, and the audit scope includes AS7003, the Nadcap Quality Manual, seven NIPs, two NOPs and NTGOP-001. The audit will also include random job audits. (See attached presentation for more details)

The Ethics and Appeals Sub-Team report was given by Steve Meyer. The sub-team has submitted changes for NOP-001, and NIP-008. The sub-team has also made a proposal on how to address Nadcap requirements for suppliers who have customers that do not require Nadcap. (See attached presentation for more details)

4.0 Task Group Reports

AQS – Mark Covert reported that all AQS metrics are green. The group has 100% consensus of revisions to checklists. The group will review audits as a group during this meeting.

COMP – Lance Loeks reported that the group is currently balloting documents and working on job audits. The group gave a recognition award to Staff Engineer Jeff Conrad.

CP – Ward Barcafer reported that the group held auditor training, conducted a supplier training, translated the auditor handbook into French, and discussed Operator Controlled Variation.

CT – Jack Saunders reported that the group held auditor training, resolved some prime issues, discussed metrics and completed its first revision of checklists.

ETG – Ed Nellans reported that the group’s AS document has been approved and two pilot audits were performed. The group is currently discussing revisions to AC7120 and plan to ballot by the end of the week.

FAST – John Sattler reported that the group has completed a second ballot of its AC and AS documents. The group has three pilot audits scheduled in November and December of this year.

HT – Doug Matson reported that the task group has revised AMS2750 and are working on prime specific requirements to their baseline.


MTL – Keith Kastner reported that the group held auditor training, completed ballot review of a slash three document. A sub-committee of the MTL task group is reviewing harness testing checklists.

NDT – Phil Keown reported that the task group held auditor training and a supplier symposium. The task group is planning to hold another supplier symposium at the January 2006 meeting.

NMSE – Mark Gleason reported that the group conducted auditor training, reviewed its baseline documents and checklists with their auditors, and plan to review metrics, and ballots of NM documents.

WLD – Wayne Canary reported that the group held auditor training, conducted a training session on baseline documents with the auditors, and are currently reviewing comments on a ballot of the AS document.

5.0 Supplier Support Committee report

Ed Engelhard reported on the Supplier Support Committee activities. The SSC structure is changing and moving forward two sector representatives will be on the leadership team. The new leadership team will confirm plans in the first quarter of 2006. The SSC actions resulting from the 2005 supplier survey have been captured on the 12 week schedule and regular reports will be given at each Nadcap meeting. A mentoring program was started at this meeting and the SSC currently had five mentors and seven suppliers who have signed up to be mentored. (See attached presentation for more details)

6.0 Supplier Survey Results

Michael McLean presented a summary of the 2005 supplier survey results. Out of 1684 surveys, 398 responses were received. 92% of the suppliers who responded to the survey were satisfied/very satisfied with the timely response to questions by PRI staff. 72% of the suppliers who responded were aware of the SSC. 77% of the suppliers who responded have seen an in crease in quality. Finally, 36% of the suppliers who responded have seen an increase in their business. (See attached presentation for more details)

7.0 New Business

Next Meeting, January 23-27, 2006Crowne Plaza Redondo Beach


300 N. Harbor DriveRedondo Beach, California 90277Rate: $149 Single/DoubleReservations: +1 310 318 8888

8.08.0 Adjournment

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