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For the last month or so the MODs de-finitive Condign Report kept the main-stream media busy debunking this sub-ject as per normal. In the days beforeMay 15th when the report was madefreely available the press had us all be-lieve that those jolly decent sorts inWhitehall had all the answers to the

UFO mystery, in actual fact the reportsaid the opposite. They didn't have allthe answers and confirmed that al-though small there was indeed a threatto air traffic.

In our article Freedom of Informationat what price we reveal the costs in-volved in true freedom.

We also feature information about themany different types of UFO reportedand photographed.

It was interesting to read that author ofover forty books on the UFO subjectJenny Randles jumped to the defenceof the report suggesting that main-stream Ufology could be coming to anend. So the question is what willJennys next book be about?

But those who have read Jennys booksin the past are fully aware that shechanges direction faster than a tabloidnewspaper in an election year.

Nick Pope has written up his views onthe report and I am sure our readerswill have theirs too.

Dont forget you can get involved via thewebsite forums pages, just register yourname and email address and get debat-ing, there are hundreds of postings onscores of subjects, literally somethingfor everybody.

Enjoy this issue and please support thecause, tell your friends and get them tosubscribe every single subscription isimportant to us.

Russel Callaghan

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The bi-monthly publication costs 3.50 per issueor by annual subscription.

Editor- Russel CallaghanFeatures Editor- Philip MantleResearchers -Steve Johnson, Sacha ChristiePublication manager- Michael BuckleyContributors - UFO researchers and enthusiastsfrom across the globe who by their integrity andenthusiasm put pay to ridiculous idea that no-body is interested in UFOs anymore

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Cover DVD.Special thanks this issue go to London based filmmaker and UFO experiencer Christopher Martin.Chris became synonymous with UFO sightings overLondon in the late 1990s and has made his firstfilm compilation UFOs the Evidence available to

UFO DATA Magazine readers. This short 16 minfilm contains some of the clearest daylight evidencecaught on camera above our nations capital city.

Nick Pope gives his views on the long awaited release of

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All shapes and sizes.Steve Johnson looks at the various craft

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An Airmans Encounter.

Fascinating account in post war Britain 16

Liverpool UFO.

Multi-witness sighting over Merseyside 24

Selby UFO Is it or isnt it? 37

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Never mind unidentified flying ob-

jects, how about unidentified flyingofficers.

Im sure we all remember BrianBlessed as king of the hawk men inthe rather camp 1980s remake ofFlash Gordon, well, a report in theDaily Mail claims that the SAS aregoing to be turning their troopsinto stealth soldiers. No longer willour lads be dropped behind enemylines wearing a trusty silk para-

chute but a recent developmentmeans troops can fly into dangerzones from over a hundred milesaway from the drop aircraft. Howdo they do this? By wearing an air-plane.

The carbon fibre strap on w ing

technology w as demonstrated a

few years ag o w hen Au stra lian

Stuntm an Felix Baum gartner flew

in a sim ilar ty pe of suite across the

En glish Channel in just 12 m inutes.

Although un-pow ered the pilot

had su fficient control of the

equipm ent to travel from country

to country .

The carbon fibre attachmentscan not only carry equipment,but, with the introduction oftwo micro jet engines, cantravel over 100 miles at push-ing 140mph and, according tothe spec, they do this on justhalf a gallon of jet fuel. (Letshave some of that technologyon the roads please).

The glide suits size and com-position makes it almost im-possible to detect on radarand, dropped from a high altitudemother-ship, the glide capabilitiesmean that every six feet of forward

travel only loses 1 foot of altitude.This equates to about 35 miles ofun-powered forward motion whendropped from 30,000ft and that

equation got the Australian flyerover the channel with miles tospare.

In military hands and with theadded power packs, distances of

over 100 miles will be achieved.

Kitted out with miniature electron-ics for guidance, life support sys-tems and thermal clothing, it ap-pears our troops are becoming

more Dan Dare or Buck Rogersthan we might care to accept.

The reports of flying men fromMexico and Chile might not be thatoutlandish after all.

Russel Callaghan

UNIDENTIFIED

FLYING

OFFICERS

Picture credit The Daily Mail (c)

Felix Baumgartner

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Once again UFO DATA are proud to hostThe Great British UFO Show here in the cityof Leeds and thanks to your brilliant supportat last years event, the 2006 show will be

held over two days.

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Information-packed lecture presentations onboth days and top class entertainment isbooked for your enjoyment on the Saturdaynight all included in your ticket price.

The UFO subject is never quiet. It might notbe reported in the mainstream media thesedays, but big money has been spent on docu-mentary series like The UFO Files from thesatellite broadcaster, The History Channel,so someone somewhere feels the need tokeep the public aware of happenings extra-terrestrial.

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The Condign ReportThe most highly-classified UFO docu-ment ever released was published onthe Ministry of Defence's website on 15May 2006. Here, the Government'sformer UFO expert reveals the sensa-

tional story.

byNick Pop e , Ministry of DefenceUFO Project, 1991 - 1994

On 15 May 2006, under the Freedom ofInformation Act, the Ministry of De-fence published a formerly secret re-port on UFOs. Much informationabout UFOs has already been released,both at the National Archives and onthe Ministry of Defence's website. The

Freedom of Information Act came fullyinto force on 1 January 2005 and one ofthe subjects that is most frequentlyraised under the legislation isUFOs. There is massive public interestin the phenomenon. But the release ofthis latest study is different and totallyunprecedented. The study was classi-fied 'Secret UK Eyes Only' and only 11copies of the report were ever made. Itran to over 460 pages and was code-named 'Project Condign'. Work startedin 1996 and the final report was not

published until December 2000. Thestudy's findings were sensational butthe story behind the study was evenmore bizarre.

The Ministry of Defence first becameinvolved in the UFO phenomenon in1950 when the Department's Chief Sci-entific Adviser, the great radar pioneerSir Henry Tizard, decreed that UFOsightings should not be dismissed with-out some form of proper, scientificstudy. The result was the most splen-

didly named committee in the historyof the civil service, the Flying SaucerWorking Party. Their conclusions, setout in a classified report from1951, were sceptical: UFO sightings

were misidentifications, hoaxes or de-lusions. Consequently, they recom-mended no further investigations becarried out.

Prime Minister Winston Churchillpressed the Air Ministry for answers in1952. His letter - available for viewingat the National Archives - says "Whatdoes all this stuff about flying saucersamount to? What can it mean? What

is the truth? Let me have a report atyour convenience". The reply simplyrestated the party line. UFOs were ofno defence significance. But later thatyear there was a high profile series ofUFO encounters involving theRAF. UFOs were tracked on ra-dar. Aircraft were scrambled. Pilotssaw UFOs demonstrate speeds and ma-noeuvres that went far beyond any-thing the RAF were operating. Andsome of these mystery objects werefilmed on the gun cameras carried on

some of our aircraft.

The MOD and the RAF were forced tothink again and the sceptical conclu-sions of the Flying Saucer WorkingParty were overturned. UFO sightingswere to be reported and investigated,but could not be discussed with themedia or the public. Guidance was setout in a 1956 document classified Se-cret. In 1965, in the course of liaisonwith the Americans, the Ministry ofDefence confirmed that UFO sightings

were investigated by "our Air ForceTechnical Intelligence Depart-ment". And in a statement that has ledto accusations of cover-ups and con-spiracies, the document went on to say"Our policy is to play down the subjectof UFOs and to avoid attaching undueattention or publicity to it".

The MOD continued to receive reportsof UFO sightings. Most were from thepublic, but some were from police offi-cers, civil pilots or military person-

nel. The numbers varied. In 1976 wereceived 200 UFO reports. In 1978 wegot 750. I joined the Ministry of De-fence in 1985 and in 1991 was posted tothe division then responsible for inves-tigating UFO sightings. My brief was tosee whether there was evidence of any-thing of any defence significance - anythreat to the territorial integrity of theUnited Kingdom's Air Defence Re-gion. What I found changed my lifeforever.

There has always been a sceptic versusbeliever debate raging at the heart ofthe Establishment in relation to theUFO phenomenon. Some people inGovernment thought the whole subject

was a waste of time and money, whileothers thought it was an issue of criticalimportance. There were some surpris-ing players in all of this. A formerChief of the Defence Staff, Lord Hill-Norton, believed some UFOs were ex-traterrestrial and that governmentswere covering up the truth. FormerRoyal equerry and Deputy Commanderin Chief of RAF Strike Command SirPeter Horsley wrote in his autobiogra-

phy about an encounter with analien. "Oh God, how unfortunate thatthe public will learn that the man whohad his finger on the button at StrikeCommand was seeing little green men"commented a senior officer, anony-mously, of course.

During my tour of duty on the UFOproject, my conclusions generally mir-rored those of my predecessors. MostUFOs could be explained as misidenti-fications of ordinary objects and phe-

nomena: aircraft lights, weather bal-loons, satellites, meteors and the planetVenus. But some of the cases on ourfiles were considerably more interest-ing:

On 26 December 1980 a UFO landed inRendlesham Forest next to the UnitedStates Air Force bases at Bentwatersand Woodbridge. One of the manymilitary witnesses got close enough totouch the hull and sketch the strangesymbols - which he likened to Egyptian

hieroglyphs - that he saw on thecraft. Indentations were found in theclearing where the UFO had landedand a Geiger counter was used to takeradiation readings, subsequently as-sessed by the MOD's Defence Intelli-gence Staff as being "significantlyhigher than the average back-ground". The UFO returned on thefollowing night, when witnesses in-cluded the Deputy Base Commander,Lieutenant Colonel Charles Halt.

On 30 March 1990 the Belgian AirForce tracked a UFO on radar andscrambled two F-16 fighters, with or-ders to intercept the UFO. The twoaircraft 'locked on' to the UFO withtheir onboard radars, but the UFO re-peatedly broke the lock and a bizarregame of cat and mouse played itselfout over the next hour or so. I madeenquiries about this with staff at ourembassy in Brussels, and was told thatthe Belgian Government had assessedthis event as real - an unknown craft

had indeed been involved.On 5 November 1990, RAF Tornadoaircraft flying over the North Sea werecasually overtaken by a UFO.

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The pilot's report stated "UFO ap-peared in our right hand side ... wewere travelling at Mach point 8. Itwent into our 12 o'clock and acceler-ated away. Another 2 Tornados saw it".

On 30 March 1993 a massive wave ofUFO sightings occurred over the UK,culminating in a massive triangular-shaped craft flying over RAF Cosfordand RAF Shawbury in the Mid-

lands. Witnesses included members ofan RAF Police patrol, and a meteoro-logical officer who saw a UFO that hesaid was several hundred feet in diame-ter, emitting a low frequency hummingsound and firing a narrow beam of lightdown at the ground. It moved slowlyacross the countryside before shootingoff to the horizon several times fasterthan an RAF fighter jet.

The MOD's UFO Project had also beensent a number of intriguing photos and

videos of UFOs, and had the means tohave the images enhanced and ana-lysed by various technical special-ists. Some intriguing imageshad arrived via the Scottish Daily Re-cord in 1990, and a poster-sized photo-graph had been produced from one ofthe negatives and pinned to my officewall by one of my predecessors. Thephotograph had been taken in daylightand showed a vast, diamond-shapedUFO, metallic silver in colour, appar-ently hovering low over the Scottish

countryside. The photograph was re-moved in 1994 by the then head of thedivision, who had convinced himselfthat the picture showed a secret proto-type aircraft codenamed Aurora - a hy-personic replacement for the SR-71Blackbird that the US Government de-nied existed. A question was asked inParliament in 1996 about the locationof this photograph, and the matter hassubsequently been raised in a Freedomof Information Act request. Unfortu-nately, the photograph

had disappeared, and could not be lo-cated.

This was the background to ProjectCondign. For 40 years a debate aboutUFOs had raged within the MOD andthe RAF, with first the sceptics then thebelievers gaining the upper hand. Weneeded resolution. We needed aproper, in-depth scientific study thatwas going to look at all the evidencewe'd amassed, and come to a definitiveview about the UFO phenomenon. My

opposite number in the Defence Intelli-gence Staff had first discussed this withme in 1993. Like me, he seemed in-trigued by some of the UFO cases onour files, and some of our discussionsabout UFO aerodynamics and propul-

sion systems were like something froma 'Star Trek' script. Nothing was saidopenly, but when terrestrial explana-tions for some UFO cases were elimi-nated, fingers were pointed sugges-tively upwards. And whenever thequestion of UFO occupants was men-tioned, the marvellous phrase "thesepeople" was trotted out. "What did hemean 'these people'?" my boss askedme, on the way back from one particu-

larly surreal briefing.

But how were we going to get a studycommissioned when so many of ourcolleagues thought the MOD shoulddrop its UFO investigations altogether -as the United States Air Force had in1969, when their research programme,Project Blue Book, was closeddown. One of our tactics was a simplelinguistic sleight of hand - we bannedthe phrase 'UFO'!

One mention of the phrase 'UFO', andpeople's prejudices and belief systemskick in, be they sceptics or believ-ers. The term was too emotive and hadtoo much baggage. So we devised'Unidentified Aerial Phenomena' (UAP)as a replacement, and tried to use thisin all internal policy documents, retain-ing the phrase 'UFO' only for our deal-ings with the public.

It worked. With the phrase 'UFO' hav-ing been quietly dropped, we pushed to

get a study approved. To my surpriseand delight, given some of the moresceptical voices in the Department, re-sources were eventually obtained. Iassessed the formal proposal, when itarrived, and recommended to mybosses that the study be commis-sioned. Against my expectation, myrecommendation was accepted. How-ever, the project was subsequently de-layed, and in 1994 I was promoted andposted to a different section. Accord-ingly, I played no part in the study and

am certainly not - as has been allegedon the internet - its anonymous author.

So what did we get? After four yearsand 460 pages of analysis, have wesolved the UFO mystery? Well, no, wehaven't. "That UAP exist is indisput-able", the Executive Summary states,before going on to say that no evidencehas been found to suggest they are"hostile or under any type of con-trol". What we have is a comprehen-sive drawing together of some existing

research, coupled with some exotic newtheories. But by its own admission, thereport has not provided a definitiveexplanation of the phenomenon:"although the study cannot offer thecertainty of explanation of all UAP phe-

nomena ..." it says, leaving the dooropen.

One of the areas that will be most con-tentious relates to what the report re-fers to as "plasma related fields". Elec-trically-charged atmospheric plasmasare credited with having given rise tosome of the reports of vast triangular-shaped craft, while the interaction ofsuch plasma fields with the temporal

lobes in the brain is cited as anotherreason why people might feel they werehaving a strange experience. The prob-lem with this is that there's no scientificconsensus here, and as a good rule ofthumb one shouldn't try to explain oneunknown phenomenon by citing evi-dence of another. In other words, youcan't explain one mystery with anotherone! That said, the opportunities pre-sented here are recognised and thestudy recommends further investiga-tion "into the applicability of various

characteristics of plasmas in novel mili-tary applications".

The report also deals with flight safetyissues. There are numerous UFO sight-ings involving pilots, and the CivilAviation Authority has records of someterrifying near misses between aircraftand UFOs. In one such case, on 6January 1995, a UFO came dangerouslyclose to hitting a Boeing 737 with 60passengers on board, on its approach toManchester airport. The CAA com-

mended the pilots for reporting theUFO and the official report states thatboth the degree of risk to the aircraftand the cause were"unassessable". Numerous RAF pilotshave seen UFOs too. I have spoken tomany such witnesses, not all of whomever made an official UFO report.Project Condign has an intriguing rec-ommendation when it comes to suchaerial encounters: "No attempt shouldbe made to out-manoeuvre a UAP dur-ing interception".

15 May 2006 was a good day for allthose with a serious interest inUFOs. The longest and most compre-hensive UFO study ever undertaken inthe United Kingdom is published, un-derpinning the MOD's commitment tothe Freedom of Information Act andthe principles of open govern-ment. Although some parts of thestudy have been quite properly with-held, as they relate to areas such as thecapabilities of radar systems, the media

and the public now have an insight intoa world that was previously closed tothem. The real X-Files have beenopened and proof revealed as to justhow seriously some of us in govern-ment viewed the UFO phenomenon,

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and how much hard work went into theeffort to resolve one of the last greatmysteries of our time.

Some commentators recently suggestedthat interest in UFOs was declin-ing. The publication of this reportlooks set to reignite the debate and pro-pel the subject back into the spot-light. UFOs - sorry, I mean UAPs - areback!

Nick Pope.

Project Condign was posted on theMOD's website on 15 May 2006 atwww.mod.ukin the Freedom of Infor-mation section

Nick Pope's website iswww.nickpope.net

The Condign report was uncovered by

the work of a group of well known UFOresearchers Dr David Clarke, AndyRoberts and Gary Anthony.

They discovered references to the docu-ments while searching the Public re-cord Office files and, through our re-cently acquired Freedom of (some) In-formation Act, managed to get the 460page report released into the publicdomain.

When UFO DATA heard of the find and

the pending release of the document wesoon realised that only if someone hadaccess to a Broadband Internet connec-tion would they be able to realisticallydownload the document. Having saidthat, the MOD divided the file intosmaller chunks but still by their ownadmission without broadband thedownload could be slow and unreliable.

UFO DATA contacted the press officeof the MOD and offered to make thedownloaded file available on a free CD

with our magazine.

The MOD thought we were suitablecandidates to licence the report to andagreed to our suggestion after we hadpaid the licencing fee.

What licencing fee? we asked. Thedocument is in the public domain. Yes,came the answer, but it is Crown copy-right and we think you are trying tocommercially market your own productwith ours.

With my professional editors hat on Iwrote back and explained we were notChat or Hello magazine and our read-

ers were in fact the people who morethan likely contributed to a lot of theinformation contained in the reportand what we wanted to do was makethe report available to everyone whowanted a copy. We then went on to of-fer a reproduction service on CD Romto everyone for the price of a stampedaddressed envelope and we wouldstand the cost of the CD rom.

The MOD insisted that we would haveto pay the licencing fee. How much willit cost then? We asked.

60.00 for the first 2000 words

50.00 for every other 1,000 wordsused.

50.00 for the first two images

50.00 for any further image

This meant that UFO DATA wouldhave to cough up about 6,000 to giveyou a Freedom of Information Docu-ment.

Not forgetting the MOD have no realUFO images of their own we couldn'thelp but notice the images in the docu-ment seemed sourced from the internetor out of books.

Are the image copyright owners awarethat the MOD are selling images that

dont belong to them? I asked.

A while later another email came intomy inbox, stating that only images theMOD owned would be supplied.

So in reality we again suggested wewere trying to take the pressure offwhat is probably one small office with abig photocopier getting inundated withrequests for hard copies.

Can you cope with that? I asked.

460 pages is almost a ream, if 2000UFO enthusiasts applied for a hardcopy that would be a problem I sug-gested.

The MOD came back with it was theirduty to supply copies of documents tothose who request them who dont havereasonable access to the internet.

I asked where our readers should applyfor their copy and I got this reply.

Members of the public who do not haveaccess to the Internet can establish theavailability of information and, where

freely available, obtain a copy, by writ-ing to the following department.

D ir e c t o r a t e o f I n f o r m a t i o n(E xp lo i t a t ion)

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The MOD is committed to providinginformation to those with disabilitieswho would find it difficult to accessinformation in the way describedabove. Every effort will be made to pro-vide information in the format pre-ferred.

Regards

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By Min LeeAssociated Press Writer

HONG KONG (AP) - Famous astro-physicist Stephen Hawking said

Thursday that the late Pope John Paul IIonce told scientists they should notstudy the beginning of the universe be-cause it was the work of God.

The British author, who wrote the best-seller, "A Brief History of Time", saidthat the Pope made the comments at acosmology conference at the Vatican.

Hawking, who didn't say when themeeting was held, quoted the Pope assaying, "It's OK to study the universe

and where it began. But we should notenquire into the beginning itselfbecause that was the moment of crea-tion and the work of God."

The scientist then joked during a lecturein Hong Kong, "I was glad he didn't re-alize I had presented a paper at the con-ference suggesting how the universebegan. I didn't fancy the thought ofbeing handed over to the Inquisitionlike Galileo."

The church condemned Galileo in the17th century for supporting NicholasCopernicus' discovery that Earth re-volved around the sun. Church teachingat the time placed Earth at the centre ofthe universe.

But in 1992, Pope John Paul II issued adeclaration saying that the church's de-nunciation of Galileo was an error re-sulting from "tragic mutual incompre-hension."

Hawking is one of the best-known theo-retical physicists of his generation. Hehas done groundbreaking research onblack holes and the origins of the uni-

verse. He proposes that space and timehave no beginning and no end.

His hour-long lecture to a sold-out audi-ence at Hong Kong University of Scienceand Technology was highly theoreticaland technical. During the question-and-answer session, Hawking was askedwhere constants like gravity come fromand whether gravity can distort light.

But there were several light, humorousmoments.

Hawking, who must communicate withan electronic speech synthesizer, said heonce considered using a machine thatgave him a French accent, but he could-n't use it because his wife would divorcehim.

The astrophysicist is wheelchair-boundand uses an electronic voice because hehas the neurological disorder calledamyotrophic lateral sclerosis, or ALS.

Hawking was asked why his computer-ized voice has an American accent.

"The voice I use is a very old hardwarespeech synthesizer made in 1986," hesaid. "I keep it because I have not heard

a voice I like better and because I haveidentified with it."

But Hawking said he's shopping for anew system because the hardware heuses is large and fragile. He also said ituses components that are no longermade.

"I have been trying to get a software ver-sion, but it seems very difficult," he said.

He urged people with physical disabili-ties not to give up on their ambitions.

"You can't afford to be disabled in spiritas well as physically," he said. "Peoplewon't have time for you."

The moderator at the lecture told theaudience that at a recent dinner, sheasked Hawking what his ambitionswere. He said he wanted to know howthe universe began, what happens inside

black holes and how can humans sur-vive the next 100 years, she said.

But she added he had one more greatambition: "I would also like to under-stand women."

Hawking ended his lecture saying, "Weare getting closer to answering the age-old questions: Why are we here? Wheredid we come from?"

Q u o t e s b y S t e p h e n H a w k i n g

Thirty years ago I was diagnosed withmotor neurone disease, and given twoand a half years to live. I have alwayswondered how they could be so preciseabout the half.

BBC int erview 1996

Even if there is only one possible uni-fied theory, it is just a set of rules andequations. What is it that breathes fire

into the equations and makes a universefor them to describe? The usual ap-proach of science of constructing amathematical model cannot answer thequestions of why there should be a uni-verse for the model to describe. Whydoes the universe go to all the bother ofexisting?

A Brief H ist ory of Tim e: From the Big

Bang t o Black H oles , (New York 1988)

You can read more of

Prof. Hawking at the web address below

www.h awk in g .o r g .u k

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U F O g r o u p s a n d a s s o c ia t i o n s a r et h e b a c k b o n e o f so l id i n f o r m a -t i o n g a t h e r i n g w h e n i t co m e s t ot h i s p a r t i c u la r s u b j e ct . I n m a n yc a s e s it i s a s m a l l g r o u p t h a t i s awi tnes s f ir s t po in t o f con tac t a f -

t e r a s i g h t in g .

B e lo w a r e c o u p l e o f i n t e r e s t i n gr e p o r t s c o v e r e d b y N o r w i c hbased Nor fo lk UFO Soc ie ty.

NORWICH AIRPORT

18 t h F e br u a r y 2 0 0 6

Mr Richard Garwood works shifts for acompany on the Norwich Airport in-dustrial estate. Its location is adjacentto the airfield and from its location itoffers clear views of the terminal build-ing and runway.

At 9.20am Mr Garwood decided to popoutside for some fresh air as usual, dueto the location of his work place hechecked the sky for any planes. It was aclear morning with very little cloudcover.

While facing north, just opposite theairport buildings, he noticed two bluelights at a high altitude travelling in aSouth West to North East direction.Mr Garwood then picked up a furthertwo red lights in front and a silver lightbehind, all travelling at the samespeed.

The red and blue lights seemed to beflashing and gave the impression ofspinning and reflecting sunlight. Notknowing what he was witnessing, MrGarwood fetched three workers frominside who also couldnt make out thestrange phenomena. There then ap-peared another group of lights, consist-ing of two silver ones, one red and afurther blue one on the same flight

path, travelling at the same speed andkeeping the same distance from eachother.

Behind this group came a further two

groups consisting of mostly silverlights. Mr Garwood believes there wereat least eighteen objects in total. Afterwatching these objects for almost sixminutes, the first group came to a stopabove the airport and slowly grouped

together.

The following lights joined the groupand they all hung in the sky. Duringthis time Mr Garwood witnessed twocommercial aircraft flying underneaththese lights. The aircraft were on aflight path heading west to east at analtitude of at least twenty thousandfeet. Mr Garwood estimates the lightsat around thirty thousand feet. Whilststationed above the airport, the lightsheld their independent colours and no

noise could be heard. After a very shorttime all the lights gave the impressionof travelling straight up and one by onedisappeared.

One of the witnesses is an avid hot airballoonist and discounted them as bal-loons. Another witness took a photowith his mobile phone and althoughthe lights were very faint under a mag-nifying glass showed a cylinder shapein a vertical position. Mr Garwood isbaffled and cannot comprehend what

he witnessed.

Report By Philip Mitchell

STOKESBY, NOR FOLK2 9 t h Se p t e m b e r 2 0 0 5

Mr Steve Langridge who lives in Bal-combe, West Sussex, was having ashort break on the Norfolk Broads withhis son, Mark, and two friends. Afteranother enjoyable day cruising the net-work of waterways, they decided tomoor up for the night at a small villagecalled Stokesby. The only mooringavailable was on the Great Yarmouthside, facing Horning, which wasapprox 200 yards from the pub.

Once settled, they all made their wayover to the pub for the evening and leftminus Mark at approx 9pm. At10.20pm, Steve walked back to the pubto tell Mark they were settling downfor the night and can he return once hehas finished his beer. On Steves walk

back from the pub, he was admiringthe clear night sky and just as he wasboarding the rear of his boat he no-ticed an object travelling at a fantasticspeed. Steve was facing a North West

direction and the object was travellingNorth West to South East at approx. 45degrees above the horizon.

The object was described as a fluores-cent green tube with no obvious ap-

pendages, no noise and no flashinglights. Although Steve found it veryhard to determine its altitude, he wasunder the impression it was very lowand estimated its size to be at least 30feet long. After a few seconds, the ob-ject dropped down in a fast but con-trolled decent, then lessened its angleand its light flared up. The object wasnow at such a low altitude that it wasobscured by a nearby wood and al-though Steve waited for it to reappear,nothing else was seen. Steve consid-

ered walking the short distance to thewood, but decided not to as his friendswere trying to settle down to sleep.

Steve has no explanation for what hehas witnessed and the whole event hasleft him speechless.

Report by Philip Mitchell

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The UFO subject has for many yearsbeen its own worst enemy when itcomes to sharing high quality evidencethat could help convince some doubt-ers, sceptics and possibly those in thescientific community as to the reality ofthe UFO phenomenon.

As a film maker myself, I am only tooaware of the actual costs involved withlow-budget and even no-budget pro-ductions.

Yes even a no-budget production whenscrutinised will have costs involved thatcan burn a big hole in many a wallet.Just transportation, film stock, accom-modation, not to mention the actualequipment involved in not only captur-ing footage, but getting your workthrough the editing process and on to amedia type that makes it available toothers to either enjoy or criticise, howdare they...

Then of course there is this big$$$$ sign flashing in wit-nesses heads that sug-gests they are aboutto become instantmillionaires withtheir 4 secondclip of the mostamazing foot-age ever seen.I am afraidthis in thereal world is

a myth.

The UFOcommunity atlarge mustshare its evi-dence and I to-tally agree thatwhen a companydraws up plans to make aDVD production they shouldbe allowed to recoup their costs be-cause if we cant then there wont be

any information getting out to the peo-ple that matter.

I personally dont have a problem with

a small usage fee being paid to wit-nesses but that is all it can be.

When broadcasters want to use some-thing then that of course is a differentmatter. Having said that budgets forcommissioned programmes are noth-ing like they used to be so dont expecta big fat juicy cheque.

UFO DATA has in six short months

shared much UFO Material and lec-tures with its readers by way of a freeDVD or CD inside the magazine. Issuefour looks at different types of craftthat have been reported and observedin the modern history of the subjectand it was these different type of craftthat had me ask UFO researcher andfilmmaker, Christopher Martin, if hewould like to share some of his experi-ence with our readers. What Chris didwas in the true spirit of this subject.

He gave his DVD compilation UFOsthe Evidence to us as a cover disc forissue 4.

It features several daylight and somenight-time footage of strange objects,many recorded over the city of London.

We hope you enjoy this compilation byChristopher. It is accompanied by agreat soundtrack and was filmedmainly on digital video so the quality isfirst class.

Keep a look out forChris on the lec-

ture circuit andif you get

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entationdont forget

to go up tohim and shake

his hand and saythanks for this unique

DVD compilation.

Two UFOs dance across the sky

A strange orange boomerang UFO

This micro light has a close encounter

UFO passes under Airbus at air show

The above images are actual screenshots from the DVD.

It also includes a luminosity pass-ing over a crop formation, severaldaylight orbs and some night timeUFOs.

UFO DATA would like to thankChris Martin for use of this DVD...

FREE COVER DVD

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The theme for this issue is UFO shapesand sizes and there have been manydifferent types reported over the years.Our resident researcher Steve Johnsonpresents this article.

All Shap es an d S izes

This issue of UFOData focuses on thecraft we call UFOs. As we all know,these enigmatic objects come in allshapes and sizes. Here we will exploresome of those forms that have beendescribed by witnesses.

In antiquity, when inexplicable thingswere seen in the skies, they were oftendescribed as being messengers of thegods, angelic chariots or other suchthings. It was the only way our ances-

tors could put into words what theywere seeing.

One of the most famous sightings fromancient times was that of the prophetEzekiel. In the Bible, almost six hun-dred years before the birth of Christ, hedescribed a visit from a bizarre craftthat disgorged several beings:

The craft described by Ezekiel has puz-zled researchers since the year dot.Early artists interpreted the wheel invarious ways.In 1974, a NASA engineer, Josef Blum-rich suggestedthat what was

described wassome kind ofhelicopter, or atleast a craftthat used heli-copter-like ro-tor blades. Hemade technicalsketches ofwhat he be-lieved the craftlooked like(right). Erich

Von DanikentrumpetedBlumrichs de-sign and it hasbecome a cen-trepiece of hisresearch eversince.

Of course, making a technical drawingusing descriptions from a man whobelieved that he was seeing a spiritualevent requires certain leaps of faith(forgive the pun) that what Ezekiel sawis accurately transcribed. Did he seealiens in some sort of craft or had heeaten hallucinogenic mushrooms, assome sceptics have suggested?

In 322BC, the army of Alex-ander the Great laid siege tothe Phoenician city of Tyre.The story goes that silver

discs appeared in the skyand blasted the city wallswith beams of light, ena-bling Alexander to enter.TheNotab ilia Tem porum byAngelo de Tummulillis, writ-ten in 1465, describes aflaming monolith that ap-peared in the sky over Italy(below ).

More strangeness was en-countered in Nuremberg,Germany, in 1561, whenspheres and discs were re-ported to do battle over thetown. The smaller craft were

described as emerging fromlarge cylinders .

See next page.

I l o o ke d , a n d I s a w a w i n d s t o r m c o m i n g o u t o f t h e n o r t h , a n i m m e n s e c lo u d w i t h f la s h i n g

l igh t n i ng an d su r r oun ded b y b r i l li an t l i gh t . The cen t r e o f t he f i r e l ooked l i ke g l owing m e t a l ,

and i n t he f i r e was wha t l ooked l i ke f ou r l iv ing c r ea t u r e s . I n appea r ance t he i r f o r m wa s t ha t

o f a m an , bu t each o f t hem had f ou r f aces and f ou r w i ngs . The i r l eg s wer e s t r a i gh t ; t he i r

f ee t wer e li ke t hose o f a ca l f and g l eam ed l ike bu r n i shed b r on ze . Under t h e i r w i ngs on t he i r

f ou r s i des t hey had t he han ds o f a m an . A ll fou r o f t hem h ad f aces and w i ngs , and t h e i r

w i n gs t o u c h e d o n e a n o t h e r . E a c h o n e w e n t s t r a i g h t a h e a d ; t h e y d i d n o t t u r n a s t h e y m o v e d .

The i r f aces looked l i ke t h i s : Each o f t he fou r had t h e f ace o f a m an , an d on t h e r i gh t s i de

each ha d t he f ace o f a l i on , and on t he l e f t t he f ace o f an ox ; each a l so h ad t he f ace o f an

eag l e . S uch wer e t he i r f aces . The i r w i ngs wer e sp r ea d ou t upw ar d ; each ha d t wo wi ngs , one

t ouch i ng t he w i ng o f ano t h e r c r ea t u r e on e i t he r s i de , and t wo wi ngs cove r i ng it s body . Each

one wen t s t r a i gh t ahead . Wher eve r t he sp i r i t wou l d go , t hey wou l d go , w i t hou t t u r n i ng a s

t hey wen t . The appea r ance o f t he l i vi ng c r ea t u r e s was l i ke bu r n i ng coa ls o f fi r e o r l i ke

t o r ches . F i r e m oved back and f o r t h am ong t he c r ea t u r e s ; it was b r i gh t , and l i gh t n i ng

f la shed ou t o f i t. The c r ea t u r e s sped back an d f o r t h l i ke fl a shes o f li gh t n i ng .

As I l ooked a t t he l i vi ng c r ea t u r e s , I saw a wh ee l on t he g r oun d bes i de each c r ea t u r e w i t h i t s

f ou r f aces . Th i s was t he ap pea r ance an d s t r u c t u r e o f t he whee l s : They spa r k l ed l ike ch r y -

so l i te , and a l l fou r l ooked a l i ke . Each app ea r ed t o be m ade l i ke a whee l i n t e r sec t i ng a wh ee l .

As t hey m oved , t hey wou l d go i n any one o f t he f ou r d i r ec t i ons t he c r ea t u r e s f aced ; t he

w h e e l s d id n o t t u r n a b o u t a s t h e c r e a t u r e s w e n t . T h e ir r i m s w e r e h i g h a n d a w e s o m e , a n d a l l

f ou r r i m s wer e f u l l o f eyes a l l a r ou nd .

When t he l i vi ng cr ea t u r e s m oved , t he whee l s bes ide t hem m o ved ; and when t h e l iv i ng c r ea -

t u r e s r o se f r om t he g r oun d , t he whee l s a l so r o se . Wher eve r t he sp i r i t wou l d go , t hey wou l d

go , and t he wh ee l s wou l d r i se a l ong w i t h t hem , because t he sp i r i t o f t he l i vi ng c r ea t u r e s wa s

i n t he whee l s . When t he c r ea t u r e s m oved , t hey a l so m oved ; when t he c r ea t u r e s s t ood s t i l l ,

t hey a l so s tood s t i l l; and when t he c r ea t u r e s r o se f r om t h e g r ound , t he whee l s r o se a l ong

wi t h t hem , because t he sp i r i t o f t he l iv i ng cr ea t u r e s was i n t h e whee l s .

( Ezek ie l Chap t e r 1 Ver se 4 - 21 New I n t e r n a t i ona l Ver s i on )

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Leaping forward to the late-nineteenthcentury and mysteriousairships were spottedover North America,sometimes with theoccupants interactingwith shocked onlook-ers. They were alsoassociated with animalmutilations and, possi-bly, human abductions.

In the modern era,

UFOs exploded ontothe scene after the 1947sighting by pilot, Ken-neth Arnold (right witha drawing of what he

saw ), of nine, crescent-shaped aircraft overWashington State. He described themas moving like a saucer skippingacross water and the term flying sau-cer was born.

It has been argued that ever since that

time, all that has been seen are saucer-shaped objects, drawing off the erro-neous title spawned by the press, butnothing could be further from thetruth.

While saucer- or disc-shaped objectsaccount for a good percentage of sight-ings (as they have done throughouthistory, I might add), many UFOshave displayed themselves in all sortsof other forms.

The Adamski flying saucer is proba-bly the most famous and recognizableshape we know, with its portholes,

ball-shaped undercarriage andpressure-cooker ring on the top. Longderided as fake photographs and cinefilm, Adamski still has a large follow-ing and many believe his tales of con-tact with beings from other worlds.

Another, equally controversial, contac-tee is Swiss farmer, Eduard BillyMeier. Despite being handicappedwith only one arm, Meier has man-

aged to capture what many say are thebest photo-graphs andmovies ofUFOs ever.Of course,some say hehas hoaxedthe lot andhis case was-nt helpedwhen modelsof the

Pleiadianbeamshipswere foundat his house.

In the Eight-ies and Nineties, disc-shapedUFOs gave way totriangular ob-jects, or flyingtriangles (FTs).These FTs

have beenexplained asalien space-craft, topsecret pro-jects suchas

Au rora or the Stealthfighter and bomber, ex-perimental balloons, kites, or mis-identified, conventional aircraft.

What cannot be dismissed, though, isthat in Belgium in 1989-90, manysightings of these craft resulted in theBelgian Air Force scrambling F-16fighters to intercept. The manoeuvra-bility of the craft picked up on radarcould not be explained by conven-tional means.(Above is a rada r screen shot from t he

Belgian Airforce)

A video appeared in the late-1990sthat was allegedly smuggled out of

Area 51. What it appears to show isfootage from a range-finding cameraof a craft that appears to change shapeand moves so erratically that the cam-era sometimes has difficulty keeping

up with it. Is it a genuine UFO or someform of secret, terrestrial technology?Whatever the video shows, it is cer-tainly bizarre and notshaped like aflying saucer!

In 1996, a video emerged from Israelthat also indicated that UFOs do notonly appear in the form of discs. Whatwe see in the footage is an irregularobject in the sky, almost box- or

house-shaped. There have even beensuggestions that an alien can be seenpeeking out of the UFO!

The video proves, whether you believeor not, that UFOs need not be stream-lined saucer-shapes.

One of the most controversial UFOcases of recent years is that of Ed Wal-ters and his photographs of strangelyballoon-shaped craft. You basically

believe in Eds pictures or you dontand there is evidence from both sidesto support or disprove what we areseeing. Like the Meier case, Walterstook a major blow when models of hisUFOs were found in a former resi-dence, although some have said thatthe models were planted by somebodywishing to discredit Walters. Sceptics

have also showed how easy it was forhis photographs to be faked.

These arejust a smallselection of

what is re-ported and, as

we have seen,not all are so-

called flyingsaucers. Indeed,

UFOs come in allshapes and sizes

and no doubt, they willcontinue to do so.

Steve Johnson 2006

Picture credits: Ezekiel copyright Joe Johnston & Mike Lord

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SummerSummer

SolsticeSolstice

20062006The darkness pierced by a glimmer of lightThe darkness pierced by a glimmer of light

heralds the start of the longest day and the shortest nightheralds the start of the longest day and the shortest night

A glorious view, a magical sightA glorious view, a magical sight

As it soars into the sky on its wingless flightAs it soars into the sky on its wingless flight

Worshipped down the ages for its power and mightWorshipped down the ages for its power and might

It brings varied blessings from delight to plight.It brings varied blessings from delight to plight.

An identified object, not Venus or a bloody KiteAn identified object, not Venus or a bloody Kite

We know its the Sun, admit it! Im right.We know its the Sun, admit it! Im right.

Crops fail or thrive in its piercing glareCrops fail or thrive in its piercing glare

Never ever look directly, never even dareNever ever look directly, never even dare

The Earths axis gives us our seasonal shareThe Earths axis gives us our seasonal share

of the Suns healing properties on skin black or fairof the Suns healing properties on skin black or fair

Our protector against the biting winter coldOur protector against the biting winter cold

As the warmer and longer days unfoldAs the warmer and longer days unfold

Spring, Summer, Autumn and Winter are rolledSpring, Summer, Autumn and Winter are rolledYear after year as we gradually get oldYear after year as we gradually get old

The Sun is connected to our fertility and zestThe Sun is connected to our fertility and zest

It makes us feel good and at our very bestIt makes us feel good and at our very best

We want to celebrate life, relax and restWe want to celebrate life, relax and rest

As it travels the sky and sets in the West.As it travels the sky and sets in the West.

Poem by Denette France Poem by Denette France

June 22June 22ndnd

20062006

Picture credit Denette France

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An Ai r m a n s E n c o u n t e r

We are constantly being told that the UFOenigma began in 1947, with the Kenneth

Arnold sighting in Washington state andthe Roswell Incident a few months later,

but any student of ufology will know thatthe subject has been with us for much,much longer.

The following story dates not from antiq-uity, but from 1943, yet it demonstrates

how unsuspecting folk have been encoun-tering UFO-related phenomena since long

before the term flying saucer was dreamedup.

John Warren was an armourer serving inthe RAF during World War II. At the timeof his encounter, he was stationed in Nor-folk at RAF Ludham, a radar facility close tothe large airfield at RAF Coltishall. Whatfollows is from the archives of our featureseditor, Philip Mantle. Philip interviewed Mr

Warren back in 1987 and he recounts a fas-cinating sighting during a late-night walkthrough the East Anglian countryside.

The text is taken from Philips transcript ofthe taped recording and has been editedpurely for clarity. Mr Warrens drawings of

what he saw can be found at the end of theinterview, as well as a letter sent to Mr War-ren from BUFORA.

T R A N S C R I PT O F I N T ER V I E W W I T H

M R J OH N W A R R EN A T H IS H OM E

O N A U GU S T T H E 4 t h 19 8 7 . M R W A R -

R EN W IL L H ER EA FT ER B E R E-

F ER R E D T O A S J W . T H E I N V E S T I -

G A T O R I S P H I L I P M A N T L E ( P M )

A N D T H E IN T ER V IEW TOOK PL A CEA T 10 .0 0 a m .

PM) Right.

JW) You can just read that letter (copywas enclosed) and

PM) If you would just like to go throughbasically what you said to me over the tele-phone in your own words. Just go through

what you can remember.

JW) Yes. I've made a little plan out (seepla n) of the camp and what was there. Well,it was early May, 1943. I just couldn't tell

you the date, do you understand what Imean?

Now, I'd been to a place calledNorth Walsham in Norfolk. I don't knowhow far that is from Catfield, but you couldget a train there, or you could, I think, we

went on a coach, actually, or somebody gaveus a lift on a wagon or something. Now, Imissed the coach back and decided I'dsleep. Instead of walking it, I'd sleep under-neath this signal box, which was like a little

work place underneath, but how long I waslaid down, I wouldn't like to say. I woke up.

I was cold. Even though it was May, I wascold, you know. I thought, Aw, sod it, Imight as well walk.

I should say about a mile and halfor poss-ibly a mile from the camp, as I

come down this, you know, country lane.They were only narrow lanes, no causeways.

You walked on a bit of a grass verge. Just inthe distance, I could see this kind of a fig-ure. This light had attracted me. There wasa light, but this, this person, I couldn't, Icouldn't get. Naturally, I couldn't run back.I wouldn't run away, if you understand

what I mean. I was running away from mybloody camp really. There was no waywhere you could skirt round, so I just car-ried on walking. Now, when I got more or

less opposite, just to the right a bit, out ofthe corner of my eye, there was a figure! It

was normal, it looked like a normal figure,but had a round face, if you understandwhat I mean (see witness draw ing). Nowthe smile, it was as though it was there per-manent and it was not a smirk but a it waslike permanent in a way to me. There wassomething on the chest, and this was like agreenish, which threw off a greenish effectonto the face if you understand?

Now, there were all fields there and allfields here, you see. Now there weren't bigtrees or anything like that. There were whatfarmers have for keeping cattle in or some-thing like that, you know, low things aboutthis height, and [I saw] what I thought wasa bell tent. I thought it was a bell tent just

beyond where this figure was standing. Itwould probably be a bit further than the topof our garden, from here to the top of ourgarden, at the back there, probably aboutanother 10 or 20 yards away, but there wassomething there and I thought it was a belltent. You know these things in a fair-ground

where they have a stall, we used to roll pen-nies down them, then at night time theyused to put?

PM) I know what you mean.

JW) It was like a bloody bell tent to me -what I call a bell tent. Now the blooddrained out of my head, I was really terri-fied. I was bloody frightened, frightened to

bloody death, but I didn't want to run. Ididn't want to quicken my steps, like sort ofgoing hell for leather. I didn't see anythingat all in this persons hand. I didn't see auniform, I wouldn't say there was a uni-form, but there was something strapped onthe chest with a light that sort of glowedinto the face, to light the face up. Then inthe background, I saw this article [the belltent SJ] and I could just see two figures.These two figure wore like a greyish [outfit],not as white as an envelope, but more orless like a stony grey colour, thats all I saw.I didn't see any lights in there at all. It wasas though they were doing something, if youunder-stand what I mean.

When I got back to camp, we were in Nissenhuts, and there were only about 4 or 5 of thelads. The rest were on leave and one or two

were on duty, night duty. I come in throughthe door and I was still shaking - I was thatfrightened. I locked the door because I'm

the last in and my bed was about 5 or 6down on the right hand side of the billet.There was a long window and it was open,

but I locked the door and I got into bed andI thought, That's it, Im just gonna get into

bed. I was still bloody trembling, when, allof a sudden, this bloody figure's comingthrough the window! I thought, Jesus! Thatthing's after me, whatever it is down there!

but when he got in, this person was shak-ing. Now they either called him Jennings orJenkins, I couldn't say what, Ive forgotten.Its forty odd years since, and I said to him,Whats up Taffy? (I know he was a Welshfella)I don't know, he said. I don't know, I

don't know, Im going to bed.

He was a cook, this fella, and the followingmorning he was on the early shift, I thinkhe was on at 6 o'clock. I went for my break-fast, after I'd finished, I said,What was up with you last night Taffy?I don't know, he says. Hed been sleepingout with a woman, you see, in a place calledStalham. There's Stalham here, then Cat-field and then Ludham, our camp. I don'tknow what time it was then, but he musthave stopped with her so long and thendecided, Well, Ive got to get back camp I'mon duty at 6 and I'll have to be there beforequarter to six.I don't know what it was, he said. I sawsomething down.Whereabouts? I asked.Just round as you come out of Catfield

village, he said. I don't know what it was.It frightened me to bloody death. I ran.I didn't tell him that I'd seen the samething, because I hadn't booked out. I didn'tknow whether he'd booked out. I knew he

would-n't be booked out, because he'd havebeen put on a charge if he had.

UFOs never entered my mind. Well, nobodyever thought about them in them days didthey? What it was I don't know, but I

thought after I've read that many bloodyspy books, I wondered if it was Jerriesplonking something in the ground. Thesetwo figures seemed to be doing something,

you know, in the ground. If [the figure] wasan air ministry fella, he should have chal-lenged me at that time. It was probably halfpast two in the morning, or two oclock, youknow. It was just a round face. It neverspoke, you know, never said good morning,goodnight or kiss my arse or anything youknow, it was just

now I've drawn a little plan of nearenough what I could. This is the countryroad here (pla n en closed) and this is Lud-ham village. At the top of the village, there

was no way out. There probably will benow, but in those days, there was just a postoffice on the corner. There was a pub here,and I think it was the Kings Head, Im notright sure, but there was a pub here. Thatcould have been the Kings Head. There

were two pubs in this village. This roadwent on, turned left and when you got intomore or less Ludham village, where the postoffice is here, a little village post office, youcould turn left and that took you to PotterHeigham in Norfolk. It also took you to

Great Yarmouth. You went through one ortwo little villages. We used to bike there. It

was a straight road, all bloody fields and allthat, and then this road here turned right attop of the road here, this took you

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to Norwich and to a little village off themain road called Horning, where a lot ofrich people lived. There were beautiful little

bungalows up there. Now this road here,then, was Ludham. All these were fieldshere. The airfield was here, there were run-

ways and that was all. It wasn't grass, it wasrunways. There was a little guard roomhere, but it was always one of the lads that

was on duty, booking people in and out.This is where we were. We were down this

way. This is going to Catfield, a little village

called Catfield, here, and these were theNissen huts - I was in this one here. I thinkthere were 8 all together. Then there was apathway up here to the works lights, up tothe airfield. There were some WRAFs that

were wireless ops and all that. Their quar-ters were here. If we were going to Ludham,

we would have to pass this little guardroom. There was a gate here and we wouldhave to book out. If we were coming upfrom, say, Potter Heigham or going to any-

where up this way, to the pub at the top oranywhere, a dance, little village, we had topass so you had to book out you see. Occa-sionally, there would be an SP, a corporal. ABradford fella was the corporal and one wasfrom Leeds. Apart from weekends, one ofthem would be on duty Monday to Friday,and then Saturday and Sunday there would

be one of your mates on, so you didn'tbother booking out because you would beback late probably. There was a water towerhere. Just at the back of the guard roomthere was the sergeants mess for all thesergeants. The officers mess was a bit fur-ther up the pathway and then there werethe officers' quarters. There were a lot oftrees just here by officers' quarters. They

were in Nissen huts by the way, but they

were not, say, ten in a bloody hut. Theirquarters were there, sergeants' quarters

were here, and the mess was here. Now,coming down into Catfield, just about here,probably about half a mile, these was a rowof terraced house, just here. Just one rowthat was all. The first house, belonged to the

boiler firer on the camp. He saw to the boil-ers, sergeants' mess, officers' mess and theairmens mess.Now then, when you got into Catfield, there

was a railway line which ran through Cat-field village. It stopped in Catfield, then it

went on to Great Yarmouth, did that train.When you got into Catfield, its more or lessa dead end, then youve come from thecamp, here. Just here there was a little vil-lage pub, I can't think of the name, and thenthere were a few little cottages dotted abouthere and a few on here, and then as you gotinto Catfield, then it was a sort of a deadend there. You had to go round a bend likethat. When you got round the bend, there

were little cottages here and here and oneor two here. All fields here, by the way.Then the road went on like that to a placecalled Stalham, and there was a pub here.

What was it called? An old lady kept it withher daughter. The Windmill, I think that's

what they called it, the Windmill. I camefrom Stalham, walking on the road here,and I got into the village at Catfield. I'mcoming round the bend at Catfield villageand the pub's here somewhere. All these

were fields there were all fields here, withlittle bloody bushes etc., and just when I gotround the bend, I was probably about 20

yards, that's when I saw this bloody thingabout here. I thought, Bloody hell! Whatsthat? and that's what I saw.

PM) Could you tell me a little bit moreabout the base,I mean its activities duringthe war and what you did at the base, I pre-sume it was RAF you were in?

JW) Yes. I was an armourer.

PM) You were....

JW) An armourer.

PM) Armourer. How old were you at thetime, Mr Warren?

JW) Lets see, that was 43, so I was about22, I think.

PM) 22.

JW) About 22.

PM) And how long did you spend in thearmed forces?

JW) Five and a half years.

PM) Can I ask you one thing...

JW) Yes.

PM) Why did you [not] think to reportthis to anyone like your Commanding Offi-cer or someone of that sort?

JW) Well, I hadn't booked out you see,for one thing, so automatically you were ona [charge]. Now, I didn't know what to re-port. What could I have reported? Do youunderstand what I mean? If Id now who

was the CO at the time? If you can just letme, let me think. Now the first CO on thecamp was a fella called Squadron Leader

Angel. He was a First World War pilot. Hehad been something like that and he wasknocking on. When I say he was old he was

well into his 50s then, so he wasn't active,not actively flying. I think he got postedabout 1942 and then we got a drunkenSquadron Leader. He was a drunkard, buthe wasn't a pilot, he was admin. He wasalways drunk. I remember I was once onguard duty. It was, I think, about a fortnight

before this incident happened and it was aSaturday night. The phone rang and I wasthe only one on that night, so I went andanswered it in the guard room and it wasthis bugger, but I can't think of his name. Ihad to get onto MT section to get a bloodytransport driver out to bring him back fromsomewhere. I can't think where it was. He

was drunk, so I told this bloke in the MTsection. He said,Oh, who is it?

Well it's CO that's phoned up, I said. Hesdrunk again, a drunken little get he was.

Anyway, I remember them bringing himback and this was about 3 or 4 o'clock in themorning. I remember the driver coming up,

so I lifted the barrier up for him to get upwith the car. I opened the door of the carand challenged them - you know, Halt!

Who goes there? all this bloody tripe, andit was the CO. He half fell out of the bloodystaff car, you know, he half fell out! I had toshove him back because the driver was acorporal and he said:Get him back in, Yorkie![The CO] was drunk and I got him back in.

Anyway, I think he took him to the officers'mess and got a couple of the bloody batmen

to throw him in bed, but I can't think of hisname.

PM) Did you reach any rank during yourtime in the forces?

JW) Well I couldn't get promoted. High-est I got was LAC, you see I was a splittrade.

PM) What's an LAC?

JW) Leading Aircraft man. But that was asplit trade. If I had taken a course for gen-eral armourer, thats guns and bombs, Icould have got a promotion, you see, proba-

bly a corporal. It takes time, but with mebeing a split trade, what they call a splittrade, thats as far as I could go. This rule

was brought out in 1943 to encourage youto go on a general course.

PM) Could we just go back to you meet-ing this figure on the road? Did you noticeanything else about him? I mean, you saidhis facial expression was very prominent,

what about the rest of his face?

JW) Well all I know was that it was a

round face, do you understand what Imean? I don't mean as round as an orange.I've seen an advert on where there is anorange which smiles. The lips go, and that's

just what it looked like to me. When I seeany come on the telly I think, By hell, itreminds me of that bloody Catfield incident,

you know.

PM) What about the other facial features,did you take any notice of those?

JW) No, it was probably just a normalheight, like if you were standing on a bankand you looked to be taller, because the

bankings were raised up. I had to look up,to see across. It wasn't a little bloody body,

where I had to look down; I just cocked myeye to right. It was this glow you see thatfrightened me. I didn't know what the hell it

was. I was terrified. There was definitelysomething strapped on the chest, here, butthere was a glow coming from it, a sort of

box affair and it gave a greenish effect onthis persons bloody face, but then in the

background what I thought was a bell tent.It was something round and after, Ithought, It was a bell tent, was that.

PM) Did you notice anything, did theyhave any hair or things like that, did younotice?

JW) No, I didn't, no.

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PM) You didn't take any notice.

JW) No. Do you mean on the face?

PM) Yes.

JW) Oh, no. There was no hair on theface. Otherwise it would have shown upagainst the light, do you understand what Imean? It was just a cheerful, healthy com-plexion, put it that way.

PM) Did he have any hair on his head?

JW) Well I couldn't say.

PM) Didn't notice?

JW) I didn't notice, I didn't notice, Ididn't notice that at all.

PM) Did the figure acknowledge you atall?

JW) No, it was just as though it was, itwas this bloody permanent smile, youknow. Never, never moved.

PM) Did he look at you?

JW) Well, as I was passing, I just caughtit out of the corner of my eye. I was bloodyterrified. I was terrified and it was just asthough it was a hello, nice to see you. Do

you understand what I mean? No chal-lenge, no mugging or anything like that,

you know. After the war, I got readingthese bloody spy books. I thought, Well, ifit were Jerry, why didn't he kill me? If hekilled me, they'd find out that it was a

bloody foreign bullet

a Jerry bullet. I [wondered] how the hellhas Jerry got here. The coast is about, asthe crow flies, 12 or l4 miles away, so they

would have to come by U-boat off the eastcoast, off the Dutch coast and then ontothe coast of Norfolk. I thought, well theyhave a long walk unless they have got thesemobile bikes, but what the hell is thatthing in the field? They couldn't get thatthing in the field on a bloody bike, on apush bike. Then I thought, well was it wasit some of our lot? But normally if there

was a crash anywhere, armourers werecalled out in case there were any guns or

bombs on board, but nobody was calledout. There were no crashes reported at all.

PM) This bell tent-shaped thing, wereyou able to make out the colour of it? Iknow it was dark, but

JW) Well no, all I saw, it was like a stonegrey colour, and height of it probablymight have been as high as this floor to theceiling, but it was just like a bell tent. Imean if somebody would have asked methen what it was, Id have said a bell tent.Now if I went up there tonight and sawsomething in that field, I'd say that's a

bloody flying saucer, obviously, because Iknow they exist. Well, I don't know theyexist, I only think they do exist, but I meanI didn't believe in anything. If I hadn't have

seen this bloody thing, if there had been arumour before the war that there werethings like that, I would have said, By hell,I've seen a flying saucer! I saw it in 1943,

but that word was never used.

PM) This chap called Taffy, did he giveany more explanations for what he hadseen when you asked him about it, did hetell you at all?

JW) No, he said I didn't go down [to thevillage] and its true. I never went down tothat village for about another fortnight, toCatfield. I was frightened. Even if I werecoming back at half past 10 at night and it

was summer, I was bloody terrified. As amatter of fact, between Catfield and Stal-ham, when it was our day off, we used togo swimming in a little river near Stalham.

We used to go have a dip, but I didn't evengo bloody swimming. I thought, Bugger it,Im not. If I went for a drink, I went intothe NAAFI or up to Ludham village, but

PM) Did Taffy explain to you what hehad seen?

JW) No, I don't think. Taffy was postedabout a fortnight, or maybe three weekslater. I think went to, he was posted over-seas and I think he finished up in India. Isaid to him, oh, about a fortnight after,Have you been down to Stalham lately,Taffy?No, no, he said. No, I'm not going downthere.I mean he was in the same condition as

when he came in through the window. Hewas in a worse bloody condition than mereally.

PM) So he didn't tell you what he hadseen?

JW) No. He said he didnt know what hesaw.I saw something down there. It was all litup, he said.Thats all, you know, but I didn't tell himthat I'd seen the same thing. I told himthat I thought he was joking, but he deniedit. I asked him whereabouts he had seen itand he said,In Catfield. I run.I thought, Well I saw it and I didn't bloody

run!, but I was bloody frightened to death,which I was, honestly, that's the truth. I'venever been as frightened in my life.I've been in some scrapes, air raids andstuff like that, but I've never been as terri-fied as I was when I saw it. I couldn't re-treat and go back a bit, I had to walk, but Ithought, What the hell is that up there?I could see the glow and I was probably200 yards away. I could see it from theroad side, the side of the ditch. I thought, I

will have to carry on walking. I can't runback and I've just walked about 8 bloodymiles. I can't be running across fields goingthrough hedges! You know, I carried on

and more or less when I got level to it, Ijust, glanced out of the corner of mybloody eye onto the right, which was whereit was. There were bushes there and that's

when I saw a figure with this thingstrapped on the chest. It threw a light, butno light down below, no reflection of any-thing on the floor, just into the face. Ithought, Well, that bugger must not beable to see, without this bloody light. It

was a greenish effect was this light and itwas sort of transparent. It just went ontothe face, the light. It was a round face andthe lips were that way.

PM) How close did you come to thisfigure?

JW) Well I was on the left hand side,walking up and this was on the right handside. The country road will only be as wideas from the kitchen there to here. Thats allthere was, country roads, it was just a littlecountry road. Ludham was at the top thereand then Catfield at the bottom, which waslike walking from Batley to Dewsbury, butthere was nothing, only fields, with ourlittle camp in the bloody middle of them.But, er, as a matter of fact I never saw athing on the bloody road at all.

PM) Was that unusual?

JW) Well, no, I mean, you see we were asatellite airfield, which was an off shoot ofa place called Coltishall, which was the bigairfield. There were 3 or 4 squadronsthere, so there was about 3000 men, butours was just a little airfield. We had onesquadron of, er, 14 pilots, no navigators,

because they were Spitfires, the armourysection, station armoury, with 3 or 4 ar-mourers on the squadron, half a dozenflight mechanics, half a dozen riggers, halfa dozen electricians.

Then you had the admin staff, the orderlyroom and all that, but I mean, most that

would be on there was about 300, and theywere spread out you see. We were on onepart, nearer that row of houses at Catfield,and then there were lads that were withthe squadron more or less over to the rightof us, but over the top. There was a ladfrom, er, I think he lived in Ludham. He

was a school kid at the time and he used tocome onto the airfield. We had wire round,

but they used to cut the wire and theycould get through.

They used to ask, if I were up on the air-field, if they could watch them take off.They would ask where the planes weregoing and we'd say that they were going ona sweep over the North Sea or Holland orsomewhere. Roy Gallant was his name. Hestill lives in, I don't know whether it'sHeckmondwike or Cleckheaton or Batley.He used to be in a group, in this town justafter the war, that's how I came to meethim. He was at a club one night called TheRamblers. He used to go in a group calledThe Ramblers. There were 4 of them,country and western type of style. He said,I know you.

I think I know you, I replied.He said, You were in the air force werent

you?I said yes. He was about, 22 or 23 then and

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Id be about 30 at the time. He said that Iused to be at Ludham and I said,Yes, I was.Don't you remember me?Ooh, I said, I do. You and another kidused to come through the bloody wire.

There were all fields and you would see thekids. They weren't trespassing in the field,they were only about, probably, 100 yardsaway from the barbed wire, but this kidcalled Roy Gallant and his mate used to ask

if they could come through the wire. Yousee, though, these 300 on the camp, we

weren't all in one block, if you understandwhat I mean, we were part 5 or 6 huts thatwere here and then there was sergeants'mess going from here to the bottom of theroad here. The officers' mess was more orless in the same area, but about two orthree hundred yards away their billets werethe same, the sergeants' billets were thesame. We were billeted here and some ofthe other mechanics were billeted threequarters of a mile over that way.

The WRAFs (Womens Royal Air Force),there were a few WRAFs that were wirelessops, but there werent many of them. There

were only a few cooks, officers' mess, ser-geants' mess and there might have been 4

women in the officers' mess,4 in the ser-geants' mess, half a dozen in the airmensmess, probably half a dozen wireless ops,one or two worked in the orderly room,typists. Maybe 30 or 40 WRAFs, that wasabout it, but there was no more than 300, Ishould say, at full strength of the staff.

PM) And you never saw anyone else onthe road apart from these figures?

JW) No.

PM) Would you say that was unusual ornot unusual?

JW) Well, I, yes.

PM) Would you have expected to seesomething on your journey that morning?

JW) No, I don't think you would. I mean,once it got after 11 oclock, it was bloodydead until probably 7 or 8 o'clock the fol-lowing morning, because there was noth-ing. You see it was like being up top of

bloody Howley (old ruins in Batley), youunderstand what I mean?

PM) Now you reported this originally toa Mr Whitaker of the British UFO Research

Association. Youve got a letter here fromhim in 1973. How did you come to reportthis to Mr Whitaker, how did you?

JW) I didn't report it to him, I reported itto, er, it was in one of the papers, and it

was Cambridge University. I wrote to thisaddress at Cambridge University and I said

that I'd seen something which I have neverbeen able to fathom out what the hell itwas. I put in the letter what I told you, whatI've just more or less told you. Well then Igot a letter back from them, saying to get in

touch with

PM) Mr Whitaker.

JW) Well, I think that's from, er, Cam-bridge University isn't it?

PM) No this is from Mr Whitaker (copyof letter enclosed PM).

JW) Oh is it? Oh well, they got in touchwith Mr, with, with this fella (Mr

Whitaker). Here look, I never saw this. Imoved, you see. I was living up Staincliffethen and I went working away, so I nevergot in touch. I was living up Staincliffe es-tate then, but then we moved up Healy, so Inever got in touch with him and then I

went working away. I was working away fora few years, you see, coming home everyfortnight for the weekend. It was just in anenvelope in the drawer and that was it. I

just, er, I never bothered after that, do youunderstand what I mean?

PM) Since the war finished, over theyears have you ever taken an interest in thesubject at all (UFOs), have you read any-thing about UFOs, or anything like that?

JW) I tell you what I did see. I got de-mobbed in March 1946, and I think this

would be about 1947. I think it was the yearafter I got de-mobbed. Im nearly sure it

was. I know I was on my holidays, and Iused to have my holidays about September.

We had only a weeks holiday then, by theway. I was in Batley town centre and lookedto the Town Hall clock. I remember lookingto see what time it was, and it was betweenhalf past 10 and 11 oclock. As I looked up

towards the clock, I saw something, but Icouldn't describe it. It was there one sec-ond and then it was out of view.

There was a fella called Billy Fletchen (notsure of this name PM), but he's dead now.Its a pity really, because hed have given

you the same explanation as me, becausehe said, Did you see that JohnI said, Aye, what was it?He said he didnt know. It was just to theright a bit of the clock but high up, higherup than the clock. It was, Ill tell you what it

was like - it was like an ice cream cornet. Itwas just like an ice cream cornet, but it wasonly there for two or three seconds. It was

just hanging there. Thats all I've ever seen.I've never seen anything else.

PM) You've never read anything on thesubject or anything like that?

JW) No. I never read anything about thisuntil probably in the fifties. Ive read someof Jenny Randles books, you know, aboutthat thing down in Suffolk, that crash. ThenI saw a programme on the telly not long

back. Ive convinced the wife, the wife be-lieves in them, but I said to her that I didnt

know what it was that I saw. I said it was1943 when I saw this bloody thing on thefloor and this bloody figure. I explainedtoday what it was like. Ive told you what it

was like. I said I was frightened to bloody

death and I've been in bloody air raids!Weve been bombed and machine gunned,obviously with Jerries that were comingover to bomb Norwich, and, er, when I wasstation at Hull at one time, just outside ofHull, I was caught in a raid. I was onlyabout 18 or 19 then, but I was more fright-ened when I saw this, this thing, than I

was, you know, although it didn't harm me.It wasn't aggressive, it just stood there.Never spoke and I never spoke, I was toofrightened. I don't think I could have

opened my mouth to tell you the truth, so

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JW) You know, they reckon that one ortwo have crashed, UFOs. Now whether I

believe that there is something some-where? I don't think we are the only bloodypersons in the Universe at all.

PM) Do you think it would be possiblefor you to do a little sketch of this blokesface? Well just make an attempt anyway.

You don't have to be any great artist.

JW) Well, this is where he was here. Iwas coming up this side. All here was fields,there was nothing, just all bloody fields,and this persons face was definitely around face and the mouth was that shape(see drawing PM). It would be, Im only

what, five foot seven, now whether he wasstood on a banking or what I don't know,

but he was definitely taller than me be-cause I had to look up.

On the chest there was definitely some-thing that was sort of square, but whetherit was strapped on the chest or a fixture. I

dont know. It had a glow that came to theface and it was a greenish glow. Im notsaying the face was green, but with thisgreenish glow, it illuminated the face and it

was as though that was permanent. I justobserved it for a few seconds, that's all. Thelips didn't move, I didn't see any handsmove, because I didn't look for any hands.

All I was bothered about was getting bloodypast. In the background there, probablytwenty or thirty yards past, the field is di-

vided, but not divided with fencing, withkind of little bushes. That figure was sort ofstanding here, but then beyond, probablyabout 30 or 40 yards away from where thisfield was divided, there was definitely around thing there. It was sort of a stonygrey, but I couldn't see any lights, but then,

just about here, just to the left of it here,there were definitely two figures.

They looked to be wearing what looked likea bakers or a painters bloody uniform. It

was a greyish white, but I don't mean snowwhite, more like a greyish white, like aboiler suit. I could see no faces, but therewere definitely two figures and they werejust to the left of this thing here, just abouthere (see drawing PM). What they were

doing, I don't know, I couldn't tell you.Now then, about a month after that, whenit was light until about 11 o'clock at night,there were two or three of us that wentdown to the pub one night and as we were

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going down, I sort of slowed the pacedown and I had an idea of just where, justto 50 yards, where it was, but there wasnothing, I couldn't see anything.I wondered if it was Jerry that was plant-ing something in the bloody ground. Isupposed they could probably come fromthe coast, which is here, from the Dutchcoast to East Anglia, probably brought bysub. Then they would have to paddle a

bloody boat! They would have to get upthe side of the bloody cliffs. If they had

these bloody bikes that they could fold up,but they'd have a bloody tent and all, butthe coastline would be 14 miles away, so Idon't know what the hell it was.

PM) Was it shaped anything like that?

JW) I, well you see that's a bell tentisn't it? Thats a bell tent. As I said, it waslike a stall in the fairgrounds, where youused to roll the pennies down and it wasround and then they used to put a cover

PM) Over the top.

JW) Over the top,(indistinct),well Icalled it a bell tent you see.

PM) Now these other two figures defi-nitely had some kind of garments on.

JW) I thought they were in, I thoughtthey were in what I called painters bloodyoveralls, because theyre what only bloodypainters and bloody bakers wear.I thought after, if they were bloody Jerryagents, what the bloody hell were themtwo fellas doing in a white suit in the

bloody field? Theyd have been in camou-

flage gear wouldn't they? And then thisfella wouldn't have been at the roadside,

with a bloody glow going into his bloodyface, he'd have been out of the bloody

way! Hed have been at the other side ofthe bloody fence. He never spoke, nevermoved, just there.

PM) And you didn't notice anythingabout his clothing, this figure at the sideof the road?

JW) No. No. You see, it was this bloodyglow what I saw and this is what fright-ened me. It was just a figure with some-thing strapped on the chest, a light, aglow, you know, coming up onto the face,

you know like a sea diver, you know, theold sea divers? Im going back 40-50

years. The old sea divers used to wear akind of a glass where you could see all oftheir f