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spring. And you interviewed me for The Truth About Cancer. And one of thethings that I noticed immediately about you is you just have an amazingheart. I could tell for you, your expertise in immunity and cancer didn’t comefrom you trying to make a dollar. It really came from this passion I could justhear in your voice as you were doing interviews and as you were literallytraveling around the country.

I’d love for you to share a little bit about your story of what got you in tostudying the immune system and cancer and really led you down this path you’re on.

Ty: Sure. Yeah, that’s a great way to lead off the interview. As you know, Inever really dreamed 20 plus years ago when I graduated from BaylorUniversity—stick ‘em Bears, by the way—when I graduated from BaylorUniversity that I would be doing this. I have a degree in accounting, mastersin taxation. And I thought I’d end up running a CPA firm, which I did for a

while in Dallas.

But shortly after I graduated, my father got sick with cancer, July 1st of 1996,it was. And he died 25 days later. And he did not die from cancer. He actuallydied from the surgery to remove his stomach. He had stomach cancer. He diedfrom the surgery. And I didn’t realize at that time he’d died from the surgery.But over the course of the next several years after that, I lost bothgrandfathers, my grandmom, a close cousin, an uncle, and then my mother,all to cancer or to the treatments for cancer.

And I began to do a lot of research going down the rabbit hole of research

learning that we’ve got a lot of natural things out there that will do muchbetter than the way that we’re treating today, the conventional treatments ofchemo and radiation and surgery. But not many people have heard aboutthem. And they’re poo-pooed as being quackery.

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Ty: Yeah. And that’s one of the things, honestly, Dr. Axe, that I did not evenrealize the effect of the immune system on your propensity for cancer andmany other health issues until within the last several years. It’s only when I’vebegan to do a lot of interviewing and research on the gut and the immunesystem that I began to see this link. And it came through in many of theinterviews that I did last year and this year for our different summits on The Truth About Cancer.

But everyone that I’ve interviewed, whether it was immunologists or scientistsor medical doctors or homeopath, they all had the same message. And it wasthat we cannot be sick with cancer if our immune system is functioning. Andif your immune system is working at full capacity, there’s really little chance of you even worrying about cancer.

But every cancer patient to a T, if they have cancer, there is something thathas compromised that immune system because, see, the immune system is

what God gave us actually to fight off disease. And if it’s working the way thatGod intended for it to, then we don’t get sick.

But it’s only when we look at the toxicity that we’re exposed to on a dailybasis, especially today. If you look 100 years ago, we didn’t have the pesticides

and the fungicides on the food. We didn’t have the chlorine and the fluorideand all of the different additives to our water. We didn’t have planes flying overtop of us and pelting us with chemicals and exhaust. We didn’t have theelectromagnetic smog and the radiation that’s compromising our immunity.

We are living in a toxic smog today. And all of these toxicities arecompromising our immune system. And that immune system beingcompromised is what has led to this cancer epidemic. I believe wholeheartedly.And that’s the reason that we look at the rates of cancer in 1900. And 1 in 80people were diagnosed. And now according to the World Health Organization 1in 2 men, 1 in 3 women alive today, will face cancer. What has changed in justbarely over 100 years?


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And you can’t tell me that it’s genetics because genetics don’t change to thatextent in just two generations. Something else has to have happened. Andwhat’s happened is that we are living in just a toxic sludge of a stew oftoxicity. And this toxicity is compromising our immunity. And thatcompromised immunity is leading to cancer.

That’s my evaluation. Of the hundreds of interviews that I’ve done over the

last couple of years, they all have that common thread. And I really believethat’s at the root cause of this cancer epidemic.

Dr. Axe: Wow, Ty. Well, I’d like to break that down a little bit further and talkabout for you and all the interviews you’ve done as we’re talking about whatruins the immune system, which, essentially, again the immune system is your gut. Eighty-five percent of your immune system lives in your gut. Aswe’re talking about immunity, what are the foods that people are consuming—let’s pinpoint several—the foods that are most destroying our immune

systems?

Ty: Sure. The most detrimental in my opinion to the immune system is eatingrefined processed sugars because cancer thrives on sugar. Sugar compromisesthe immune system. I’ve seen numerous studies that have shown that just

ingesting one can of sugar-sweetened soda compromises immunity for up tosix hours.

I think it was Dr. David Jockers that was mentioning that just eating a meal

that’s high in carbohydrates, even if it’s not just refined sugar, but just high incarbs that have a very high glycemic index, then you’re compromised for up to6 or 12 hours, I believe he said. I can’t remember the exact quote.

So we’re talking about sugars compromise system. They fuel cancer becausecancer is anaerobic. It feeds on sugar, not on oxygen. And so I think thenumber one food that people should try to avoid and try to stay away from ifthey’re going to try to keep their immune system healthy and avoid cancer is


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processed sugars.

We’ve got a friend at church here in Nashville that has the last three or fourweeks, he was just sick, just not having all kinds of symptoms. He was verysick. And all he’s done over the last few weeks is cut out sugar. And he’sdropped 15 pounds. And his color’s come back. And he’s feeling better thanever.

So I think the number one thing to watch out for if you’re trying to you’re yourimmune system healthy is just stay away from processed sugars. That’snumber one on my list.

Dr. Axe: Yeah, there’s no doubt sugar is something that feeds yeast, feedscandida. And I’ve seen the same studies. You can shut down your immunesystem, a single tablespoon, for three to six hours. It’s incredible howdamaging that is to your system.

What are some of the other things, aside from food, that really can destroy theimmune system?

Ty: Okay, so other than sugar, what I would recommend to stay away from is

processed foods. Because with processed foods, I think that the statistic was75% and maybe 80% of processed foods…

When I’m talking about processed foods, I mean things that are in a package.

Seventy-five to eighty percent of processed foods contain genetically modifiedorganisms. And GMOs can destroy the immune system. They can destroy thegut because of the different BT toxins that are in some of the GMOs. GMOsliterally can create pesticide factories in your gut and just destroy your gut.And that will destroy the immune system because 70% to 80% of yourimmune system is your gut.


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So secondly from sugar is just stay away from…Shop on the outer aisles of thegrocery store. Go to fresh, buy fresh fruits, fresh vegetables, things thatactually have a shelf life that they will rot because if they’re in the middleaisles, they’re in these packages. They have like a shelf life of 2.5 billion years. They never rot.

They’re really harmful on your immune system and your gut because not only

are they just dead foods without any enzymes, but the main thing is, becausein my opinion, the genetically modified organism factor or the GMO factor,these foods that are processed that are packaged, they really have no foodvalue. They’re empty calories. So they’ll help you put on weight. They’ll help you become diabetic. They may cause cancer. And they will destroy your gutbecause of the fact that they contain the GMOs, which will wreak havoc on your immune system and your gut.

And so as far as a particular product, that’s probably hundreds of products

that are on the middle aisles of the grocery stores.

Dr. Axe: Gosh, you’re right. It is going to be a lot of products as you’re saying.Let’s talk a little bit about some of the things that people can do. I know thatthis is probably what you’ve heard about most and you’ve studied the most.

Give me maybe your top five or seven foods and what you like about them forfighting cancer. What are the best foods out there?

Ty: Sure. So one great food for fighting cancer—I don’t know if you’d consider

it a food or an herb—is curcumin or turmeric. If you watch The Truth AboutCancer or our Global Quest, I don’t know how many people mentionedcurcumin. And there is so many studies have been done on curcumin thatshow that it’s more effective than chemotherapy at fighting cancer. But itdoesn’t have any side effects.

As a matter of fact, if you are undergoing chemotherapy, if will help


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chemotherapy be more like a rifle, instead of a shotgun. And it will be lesstoxic on your system. So that’s number one is curcumin.

Grapes or raspberries, berries that contain ellagic acid. That’s something elsethat’s very powerful at fighting cancer because it targets the stem cells, and sodoes curcumin. So both of these substances target stem cells. So the way that you’re going to take curcumin is probably in a supplement. You can use curry

powder on your eggs or whatever you cook up to flavor. That’s one way to getin it. But you’re probably not going to get enough to have a therapeutic effectthere. So you’re probably going to have to take that as a supplement.

The ellagic acid is in a lot of different berries, though. If you can get organicgreen tea, I love green tea, because of the ECGC in it. And that’s somethingalso that fights. That will target cancer stem cells, and be selectively toxic tothem. And it’s very good at it being an immune booster, as well. That’s threethings.

I also, I love medicinal mushrooms. I know that we had in The Quest, one ofthe questions and answers that we had to answer, we had a lot of people wrotein and said, “Okay, so Dr. Russell Blaylock came in and said stay away frommushrooms because they contain glutamine. And your body can convert that

to glutamate. And glutamate can fuel cancer cells.”

Dr. Axe: I’d love to hear your opinion on this. I have mine already. But, yeah,I’d love to hear your thoughts on that because I actually don’t agree with him

at all.

Ty: Well, I didn’t want to put words in his mouth because he’s a really smartguy. And I know that he’s done a lot of research on glutamate fueling cancercells. And I know that the research is out there. I’ve read the research. And Ido agree with that.


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But I don’t know that I agree that you should stay away from foods that arehigh in glutamine because we’re talking about all the mushroom. We’retalking about tomatoes, broccoli. Even organic beans are high in glutamine.So I’m not sure that I agree with that statement that he said you should stayaway from that.

I think what he was trying to do was really just make people aware that if you

are a cancer patient—especially if you’re not active because glutamine fuelsmuscle cells, and so that’s why athletes take glutamine—if you’re not active, if you’re maybe cachexic, you’re an end-stage cancer, maybe you need to knowthat there are certain foods that maybe you thought were good for you before,but you should try to stay away from them if you’re an end-stage cancerpatient. And I really think that’s all Dr. Blaylock was trying to say.

Dr. Axe: Right.

Ty: But I do love medicinal mushrooms. I love all these foods. A lot of thefoods that are high in glutamine, I eat on a regular basis. And I would saythat, no, they are very healthy for you. They are very immunomodulating.

And so I don’t think that’s what he was trying to say. But if that’s what he was

trying to say that you shouldn’t eat these, I would disagree with himrespectfully. He’s a lot smarter than I am. So who am I to disagree with him?But I do think that there’s a lot of really healthy and immunomodulatingproperties in these foods. And I do love medicinal mushrooms as one. As a

matter of fact, I know that Dr. Daniel Nuzum who was on the Quest, he’sformulating a product now. It’s called Seven-M. And it’s got like sevenmedicinal mushrooms in it. So there’s a lot to be said for these mushrooms Ibelieve.

So you asked me for my top five. How many is that? I don’t even know, four,three or four?


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Dr. Axe: Yeah. Well, I’ll just jump in and say this on the discussion is I think you’re right as I really have dug in and done research. He is talking aboutglutamate. But the other thing is, yeah, if somebody is in a state where theirbody is catabolism, where it’s literally breaking down your muscular tissue,the body is continuing to look for sugar. And it’ll break down amino acids, aswell.

But that doesn’t mean you should not eat amino acids, just because cancerwill break them down. So, yeah, I agree with you. But I am a huge fan ofmushrooms. I just got back, as I was telling you, from a ranch trip. I wasmeeting a good mutual friend of both of ours, Jordan Rubin. And we’reworking on some supplement lines together. And we were actually talkingabout this medicinal mushroom supplement that contains [inaudible], reishi,cordycep, shittake, and others.

But that’s one of the things my mom did. In fact, when my mom had

severe…She had leaky gut. She was diagnosed with cancer. She had a verycompromised immune system. She got sick two or three times every year. Formonths, she was always sick. And we had her start doing some of thesemedicinal mushrooms. And I believe it was one of the things that transformedher health. We also had her do turmeric. Pretty much all of these things that

you’re saying are many of the things that she had done.

Let’s talk a little bit about treatment. I’d love to hear your thoughts on first,let’s talk about conventional treatment. What do you believe some of these

medical treatments are doing? What are the results you’ve seeing? I know youmentioned with your family. But what are some of the other stories you’veheard about conventional treatment.

Ty: Well, since this is pretty much what I do full time, I literally could gothrough—no exaggeration—probably 10,000 emails of people that haveemailed me over the years that have done conventional treatment, notsuccessfully, or their family died from it. And here’s the reason why, Dr. Axe.


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The conventional treatments are treating the wrong thing. See, we have cancerbecause our body’s sick. Our body’s not sick because we have cancer. We’realready sick. The immune system’s sick. And we get cancer as a result of that.

So any treatment that would successfully turn that body around, that sickbody around, will have to be something that will get the body well. Well,conventional treatments don’t focus on getting the body well. They focus on

shrinking the tumor. And the tumor’s just a symptom that the body’s sick.

So any time that we treat symptoms instead of the root cause, we’re not goingto have a very successful outcome, especially when we treat those symptoms,those tumors, the cancer symptoms with substances like chemotherapy thatwill destroy the immune system because the compromised immune system iswhy you got sick with cancer to begin with.

And if we further destroy that immune system with chemotherapy treatments

or with radiotherapy treatments or whatever, then the long-term prognosis isnot good. Because although you may have just shrunk that symptom, youmay have shrunk the tumor and the doctor says, “Hey, we got it all. You’recancer-free,” the reality is your body’s still sick. And injecting that sick bodywith toxic chemicals like chemotherapy didn’t make it well. It just masked the

symptom for a while.

And so that’s why we always see a year or two later, the doc says, “Hey, youknow, it came back. The cancer’s back.” Well, the reality is, as Bob Wright

said during The Quest, that the cancer’s not back. It never left. You may havemasked that cancer for a while. But it was always there. It just wentsomewhere else. You shrunk that tumor on the breast. And now it’s back inthe pancreas and the liver because the body’s still sick. And it just re-manifested in another organ.

And so I think that’s why with our traditional treatments likechemotherapy…And let me make a correction there. It’s not a traditional


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treatment. I fell for it just like we all do. Chemotherapy and radiation are nottraditional treatments. What does traditional mean? It means treatments thathave been used through the ages.

Well, chemotherapy and radiation have only been used for less than 100 years. The real traditional treatments are God’s medicine that he created innature, like herbs, like mushroom, like these natural substances that have

immunomodulating properties. Those are the real traditional treatments. Butwe’ve bought into the fact that they changed the words on us. They changedthe language. And now we say, “Oh, yeah, the traditional treatments arechemo and radiation and surgery.” Well, that’s not true. The real traditionaltreatments are God’s medicine and nature.

And so that’s why these conventional treatments, let’s just say, this Westernmedical treatments of chemo, radiation, they don’t work because they destroythe very thing that God gave us to protect us from sickness.

Dr. Axe: Wow, Ty. It’s amazing when you look at other conventionaltreatments. I know when my mom was going through chemotherapy, and Iremember as a kid seeing her hair fall out, how sick she got, and just sayingto myself, “I don’t want to see any other moms have to go through

chemotherapy.” Because it was, again, in no way did it help her.

As a matter of fact, after she went through chemo, she went from not onlyhaving cancer, she then struggled with chronic constipation, chronic fatigue,

Hashimoto’s thyroiditis. She developed autoimmune. All of these healthproblems to just spiral out of control. Literally, she spent half her life in bedafter that. So I know of all things, it didn’t save her life. It really destroyed herhealth in many ways. So, again, I know that your message is so true in what you’re teaching.

Let’s talk a little bit more about…So we’ve touched on some foods. We talked alittle bit about treatments. What are some of the more, I guess, advanced


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And he does not treat cancer per se. I have to say that. And I have to say thatbecause he wants me to make that clear because a lot of these doctors, youknow very well, they don’t treat cancer because if they claim to treat cancer, you’re in trouble. What Dr. Buttar does is he treats the body. He heals thebody.

Dr. Axe: Yeah. I think that a lot of times our medical profession trains us to

things that again you’ve got to treat a condition, when it’s really all aboutworking with your body and really supporting your own body’s healingmechanism.

Ty: It is. And the thing is if we give our body the fuel that it needs, if we giveour immune system what it needs, if we keep our gut healthy, our body doesthe work. And so in reality, we call this a global quest. We’re in quest for thecures for cancer. The reality is there are no cures for cancer. The only cure forcancer is your own body. And so the real cures come when we give our body

what it needs to function the way that God made it to function. It cures alldiseases because the body is miraculous. God made it that way.

And so all of these different treatment protocols, there are a lot of differenttreatment protocols that help your body to treat cancer effectively. But in

reality, that’s what they do. They supply the body with what it needs.

It reminds me of a supplement that we’ve been taking for years is it’s calledLife One. I talked about it briefly. And if you remember the interview with Todd

Jones, he’s the father of Jenay, the little two-year old, or maybe she’s five now.But she was diagnosed with leukemia up in Alaska. While she was takingchemotherapy, they would give her little syringes full of Life One orally to helpher immune system while she was going through chemo. And what Todd saidis while all the other kids were dying and were receiving ports, Jenay stayedhealthy through chemo. And so that’s a treatment protocol that anybody canuse at home.


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And all it contains is things that we’ve talked about on The Quest that you’revery familiar with like selenium and chrysin, resveratrol, diindolylmethane,turmeric, turkey tale mushroom, green tea, quercetin. All these things thatwere thrown out there a dozen times by different medical doctors, this onesupplement contains all of them. And no, I don’t sell it. I don’t make anymoney off of it.

It’s just a supplement that I know has been used by numerous cancerpatients across the globe to treat cancer on their own at home and also to helptheir immune system stay healthy if they’re being treated with chemotherapy.I know many, many families, so many that I can’t list, that have sneaked thisin to the hospitals and given it to their loved one who’s dying. And their lovedone has come through it. And I really believe it’s because their immune systemwas able to stay strong through the treatments.

Dr. Axe: Wow! As you’re saying here, Ty, so much of this comes down to

supporting the immune system. And I want to get into detoxing, cleansing alittle bit more.

But before I get into that question, I’d love to hear your thoughts on stresslevels. What impact do you believe that stress has on cancer and your entire

immune system, in general? But what is the relation between stress, yourimmune system? And if you believe there’s a connection there, what are somenatural things, some of the best things you’ve heard from some of the world’sleading experts on ways to reduce that or naturally take care of stress?

Ty: Yeah, so I do believe there’s a direct correlation with stress and sickness.And I’ve read studies about how stress and fear and anger, all of thesedifferent negative emotions, I guess I would lump them all together, that theydo have a direct effect on your immune system. And I was reading a report.And I can’t remember where it was published. But they can actually measure your white blood cells. They can measure different types of white blood cells.


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And they can measure your immune response to certain emotions, whether itbe happiness and laughter or fear, stress, anger. And they’ve shown that yourwhite blood cells, they take a hit after you’ve had just one minute of fear,anger, or stress and that your immune system is depressed for I think sixhours is the study that I was reading was a study that was referenced by Dr.Francisco Contreras in the Quest for the Cures last year. Whereas, they canalso measure the white blood cell response to laughter and to happiness and

to joy, that somebody’s feeling really good and show that that actuallyincreases your white blood cells and your immune system’s function.

So I do believe that there is a direct correlation. I know also that when you’retalking about in a woman with estrogen-sensitive cancers—and I’ve read thestudies and I’ve seen the research on this—that as a woman is stressed, thebody produces cortisol, which is we think of the fight or flight.

And as the body produces cortisol, if you’re in a constant fight or flight, if

you’re in constant stress, what a woman’s body does is it starts convertingprogesterone to cortisol. And then what that does is it throws the estrogen toprogesterone balance out of whack because it’s all about hormone balance. It’snot about levels. It’s about ratios. And that’s what really lends to good healthis if the ratio of your hormones are in balance.

And when a woman’s always stressed, the cortisol is used up, progesteronebegins to be converted to cortisol. And then that causes them to be estrogendominant. And what that estrogen dominance does is it stops the thyroid from

producing T3 and T4, which are like the keys that turn on our metabolismand gives us energy. So they become sluggish. You get overweight. And thenthey become estrogen dominant. And it’s just like a cycle that never ends.

And that’s what has led to I think a huge increase in breast cancer andovarian cancer, uterine cancer, cervical cancer, all of these cancers that wewould think of as being estrogen-relate. And I think that maybe a largepercentage of those are a result of this constant state of fight or flight that


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we’re in today because of the stressful circumstances in which we live.

Dr. Axe: Yeah, Ty, this is a huge deal. As you were saying, when you’restressed, that cortisol getting up, we know that can shut down the immunesystem and affect everything. As you’re saying, it is a key component. If youlook at some of the countries out there with lower incidences of cancer, you’llsee that they really incorporate more of a stress-free environment and

practices in their daily life. Like, I know I’ve done many trips over to Asia andhave really seen that about their culture.

One of the last questions I have for you—and I have one more after this, andthen, we can wrap up—but talk to me about the importance of detoxificationand cleansing when it comes to fighting cancer or preventing cancer and someof the best detoxes, cleanses, or even herbs and things like that that youbelieve are beneficial.

Ty: Sure. And in one of the episodes in The Global Quest here, we spentprobably a good half hour, forty-five minutes on detox. So I think it’s veryimportant. And this is one of the areas of health that is oftentimes overlooked,even by a lot of natural practitioners.

And to be honest, I didn’t know much about detoxification until probably five,six years ago. When I first published my book, Cancer: Step Outside the Box in2006, I didn’t even include anything about detox in it. I didn’t know anythingabout detox. And so I think this is an often overlooked area.

So if we’re sick because we’re toxic—and I believe that we really are sickbecause we’re toxic because of this exposure to chronic toxicity all the time— then it only makes sense that if we’re going to get well, we have to get rid ofthe toxicities. And that’s what we refer to as detoxification. And I think a full-body detox is essential for anybody. My wife and I try to do at least one full-body cleanse every year. And we try to cleanse on a daily basis, as well.


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But it needs to start with the colon. So you got to get rid of the toxic sludge in your colon. And that’s one of the reasons that I think people are so sick todayis because as our colon becomes impacted, we’re not detoxifying. We’re eatingthese foods that have no enzymes. We’re not digesting them. We get this toxicsludge in our colon that builds up around the lining. That’s going to cause awhole cascading effect of health problems in immune system beingcompromised. It’s going to cause digestive problems.

How many people have you seen, Dr. Axe, you go out on the street, just AnyCity, USA, and look at all the men that look like they’re pregnant? But they’renot all that fat, some of them. They’re toxic. Their colon is impacted. Andthat’s what causes them to have these huge bellies. And so we’ve got todetoxify the colon first.

And so there’s a wide range of herbs that we can use to detoxify the colon.You’re looking at psyllium husks or cascara, are two of the big ones that are

used. There’s another couple dozen herbs that you can use to detoxify thecolon. It’s up to you. There’s a lot of good products out there. I don’t reallyrecommend one over the other. But whatever you use, it’s got to be somethingthat’s going to stimulate peristalsis, which is the contracting the colon and getrid of all of that nasty sludge that you have in there.

And we have to go from the colon cleanse. Once that’s open—you have to dothat first—once those exits are open, then you can detoxify the liver, thekidneys, the gall. You can do a parasite cleanse. You can cleanse your blood.

Those all follow after you do the colon. But that’s the order that I wouldrecommend that people do for a full-body cleanse.

I’ve got a whole chapter in my book on full-body cleanse. There’s dozens offull-body cleanses that you can do out there. I don’t necessarily recommendone over the other. And you can educate yourself online easily on that. I thinkI was reading some stuff that you’ve written, Dr. Axe, on full-body detox. Have you written some stuff on that?


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Dr. Axe: Ah, yes.

Ty: I thought so. So yeah, there’s no shortage of information. But I wouldrecommend that anybody do this. Not somebody that’s just sick with cancer,but anybody. Everybody that’s out there needs to detoxify on at least anannual basis, if not more regularly than that to get rid of these toxicities thatare compromising our immune system and making us sick.

Dr. Axe: Well, Ty, you made a great point. One of the things that I know thatI’ve taught my patients to do, I’ve written about is the importance ofdetoxification. And with my mom, we really focused specifically on the colonand the liver. Those were two of the biggest areas. We also did some thingsthat really support the kidneys and adrenals.

Yeah, the colon was first. And then, we also really focused on liver. And so Iknow with the colon, as you said some of the different things that cause the

peristalses, that’s I know that we did some things…Actually, we used a lot ofherbs that were based in Chinese medicine for that. Things like there’s onecalled triphala, which is actually a combination with amla berry, which is veryeffective. And, of course, liver. I’ve heard talk about, as well, obviously alreadyon this interview, things like turmeric is good for liver, milk thistle, and things

along those lines are all fantastic.

Ty: And coffee enemas, too, are great for the liver, as well. Yeah.

Dr. Axe: Yeah, that’s a key component. I know as I’ve heard you interviewabout with Gerson, some of the people that you’ve talked to and some of thebenefits there.

Ty: Yeah. Yeah. Coffee enemas are great. And the main thing is that you just you make sure that you get the exits cleared first because if you’ve got animpacted colon, you can’t do a liver detox until your colon’s clear becausethere’s no place to get rid of the toxins that you just got rid of from the liver.


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And then you’ll reabsorb them. So the key is really you’ve got to do a goodthorough colon cleanse first.

And to be honest with you, Josh, when I first did my first colon cleanse rightafter my dad got sick because I was worried, I was living in a state of fear atthat point. I thinking, “Okay, dad’s 52. He dies of stomach cancer. I’m going todie of stomach cancer.” That’s what I thought, I was doomed to die of stomach

cancer.

So 20 years ago, I first started reading about detoxification, did my first coloncleanse. At that time, I was just coming of being a competitive body builder. Iwas like 225 pounds with 5% body fat. So I didn’t have much weight to use.But I did a colon cleanse, I lost like 15 pounds. But I didn’t lose fat. I got rid ofa bunch of impacted fecal material that was in my intestines that I didn’t evenknow was there.

And so I would really encourage anybody, if you’ve never done a colon cleanse, you need to! Because we’ve all got impacted colons because the fact that we’reeating toxic food. Even if we’re trying to eat clean, I guarantee you, we’ve stillgot impacted colons. That’s really number one. And once you get those exitsclear, you can do the liver.

And the liver really is the key. The colon has to be first. But the liver is thekey. As a matter of fact, I’ve heard it said, “Don’t tell a girl you love her with all your heart. Tell her, you love her with all your liver.” Because your liver is the

key organ that keeps your body healthy.

Dr. Axe: I love it! That’s great! I’m going to tell my wife that tonight. “I love youwith all my liver.”

Ty: All your liver.


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Dr. Axe: And see what she thinks. Actually, she probably will get it becauseshe gets this stuff and she’s a doctor. But, anyway, she will think it’s funnyanyways. That’s brilliant!

Ty: Make sure you give her a dozen roses when you say it.

Dr. Axe: I will. All right, Ty, well last question for you. For those people that

are out there now, they’re dealing with digestive issues and specificallyimmune-related problems, they’ve got a weak immune system, what is yourbiggest piece of advice or takeaway, for people that have a weakened immunesystem, of something they can start doing right now to radically change theirhealth?

Ty: Well, I think the key is that we do what we can the things that we’ve beengiven control over. And so don’t worry about the things that you can’t change. There are things that everybody can change now. And most of the time that

involves what we’re putting in our mouth because that’s what directly affectsour immune system.

So I would encourage anybody, you got a weakened immune system, you havecancer, you got another disorder or disease, whatever you want to call it, then

start taking baby steps right now. Just like what about Bob? Baby steps, youtake baby steps right now to what you can do to improve your health. Andthat will be changing your diet because no matter what you’re eating, you canimprove it.

And so whether that is right now, if you’re eating a fast-food diet, that’s easy.Stop eating the fast food. Start eating fresh fruit. Buy organic foods. And youcan afford it. People say, “I can’t afford it.” But the reality is most people thatthink they can’t afford it, can afford to eat organic and fresh fruits andvegetables. They just haven’t prioritized that.

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because that will directly affect your immune system. That will directly affect your gut health. And that will directly lead to better health in the future, if youstart changing what you’re eating today.

Stop eating the things that are making you sick and start eating the thingsthat will make you healthy. And if you want to learn what those foods are, goto Dr. Axe’s website because he’s got a gold mine of information and research

that he’s done on the foods that you should be eating.

So we know what we should be doing. The key is start doing it. Now, that youknow this, you’re responsible. You have this knowledge, don’t just have it in your head, implement it in your lives and start making good choices todaythat can affect your health. And those start with the things that you put in your mouth.

And so I would just encourage anybody that’s listening to begin taking baby

steps today to clean up your diet because we all need to do that. Even myself,I eat really well. But there are things that I can do better. And we should allmake an effort to do that today.

Dr. Axe: Absolutely. Well, just, Ty, I want to say thank you so much for

coming on. And thank you for your mission. If you haven’t checked out TheTruthAboutCancer.com, I encourage everyone to. I know that I was soexcited, Ty, that you were willing to come on and do the interview.

And I know that my co-hosts Donna Gates and Dr. Eric Zielinski, we’re justthrilled that you came on, as well, because we know you’re busy. And weknow that you’re one of the leading experts and interviewers now in theimmune system and cancer. And so, again, we’re excited to be able to have you come on as a special guest here on our Heal Your Gut Summit.

So, everybody, I want to say thanks again. You can visit


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TheTruthAboutCancer.com. Again, if you want to learn more, TheTruthAboutCancer.com. And I want to say again, thanks, everybody.

Guys, this has been Dr. Josh Axe and Ty Bollinger with The Heal Your GutSummit. Thanks, everyone!

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