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TRIUNE  BRAIN    Stuart  Shanker  

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Paul  MacLean  

• Began  to  talk  about  “Triune  Brain”  in  1960s  and  published  The  Triune  Brain  in  Evolu/on  in  1990  

• Self-­‐Reg  has  capitalized  on  this  idea,  but  is  the  point  that  Self-­‐Reg  is  based  on  a  new  model  of  how  the  brain  works?  

• What  if  MacLean’s  theory  is  flawed?  

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Argumentum  ad  verecundiam?  

Problem is if “Authority” you’re appealing to isn’t quite as impressive as you’d wish

Or your application not as straightforward as you think

Or you have nothing else to back up your argument

Is the Self-Reg use of the Triune Brain nothing more than rhetorical?

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Self-­‐Reg  View  of  Triune  Brain  

Triune  Brain  does  have  an  important  

role  to  play  in  Self-­‐Reg  

But  the  argument  is  not  without  

its  complicaKons    

And  for  that  maMer,  its  limitaKons  

Needs  to  be  seen  as  a  metaphor,  

rather  than  a  theory  

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The  “Three  Brains”  

RepKlian:  primiKve  survival  

mechanism  for  lower  organisms  

Paleo-­‐mammalian:  meet  the  social  

needs  of  mammals  

Neocortex:  serve  the  cogniKve  and  interpersonal  

demands  of  higher  primates  

RepKlian,  paleo-­‐mammalian,  and  neocortex  in  different  epochs,  each  serving  a  different  set  of  needs  

In  H.  sapiens  sapiens,  neocortex  is  said  to  be  layered  on  top  of  the  “earlier”  brains  that  were  retained  because  of  their  survival  value  

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The  CriFcisms  

His  view  of  neuro-­‐evoluKon  is  too  simplisKc  

Can’t  make  a  “cogniKve”  versus  “emoKonal”  division  in  brain  

Can’t  assume  that  same  group  of  nuclei  performs  same  funcKon  in  different  species  (e.g.,  the  amygdala)  

All  mammals  have  neocortex  (six  corKcal  layers);  smaller  mammals  don’t  have  the  sulci  and  gryi  

Some  structures  in  limbic  system  far  older  than  model  suggests  (e.g.,  hypothalamus  is  450  million  years  old)  

Few  assign  same  role  to  hippocampus  as  MacLean  

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Defenders’  Response  

Model  is  meant  to  be  seen  as  heurisKc  

Goal  is  to  think  about  the  interplay  between  prefrontal  and  subcorKcal  elements    

Not  to  be  aMacked  for  “technical”  shortcomings  

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The  Controversy  

“Controversy”  is  pu^ng  it  mildly  

Served  as  a  flashpoint  for  the  long-­‐standing  baMle  between  “conKnuity”  and  ”disconKnuity”  theorist  

Debate  between  “affecKve  neuroscienKsts”  (e.g.,  Panksepp)  and  “neurobehaviourists”  (e.g.,  LeDoux)  

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“ConFnuity  vs.  DisconFnuity”  

TB  picks  up  on  Darwin’s  idea  that  animals  display  similar  basic  emoKons  as  humans    

We  can  learn  about  human  emoKonal  experience  by  

studying  animals  

Neurobehaviourists:  only  language-­‐speakers  experience  

emoKons  as  such  

Difference  between  nonconscious  survival  

mechanisms  and  emoKons  

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Neurobehaviourists:  “NeurocepFon”  doesn’t  equal  emoFon    

•  Sound  of  family  dog  sleeping  said  to  send  an  “all  is  well”  signal  to  the  amygdala  

• Mechanism  operaKng  here  dates  back  40,000  years  •  Subject  can’t  be  said  to  feel  safe  when  amygdala  registers  this  sound;  this  is  a  UCR  

• Only  if  we  think  about  the  effect  of  hearing  our  dog  that  we  experience  emoKon  of  feeling  safe  

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A  “Limbic  System”?  

Neurobehaviourists  not  even  happy  with  idea  of  

“limbic  system”:  i.e.,  proto-­‐emoKonal  network  

Studies  show  direct  circuit  for  threat  detecKon  from  

the  thalamus  to  the  amygdala  

Possible  to  acKvate  a  threat  response  (changes  in  ANS)  

with  no  conscious  awareness  

On  deeper  level,  challenges  behaviourist  view  of  

behaviour  

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What  does  this  mean  in  Real  Terms?  Neuroscience  has  been  divided  b/w  those  studying  PFC  operaKons  in  humans  (using  fMRI,  dense-­‐array  EEG)  and  those  studying  limbic  processes  in  mammals  (behavioural  and  electrophysiological  measures)  

Self-­‐Reg  approach:  how  does  the  work  of  Panksepp  or  LeDoux  inform  our  views  of  “Blue  Brain”  processes?  

More  involved  here  than  simply  a  case  of  recognizing  how  limbic  processes  can  interfere  with  or  even  suppress  Blue  Bran  processes  

Equally  important  is  recognizing  a  fundamental  categorical  disKncKon  between  “blue  brain”  and  “limbic”  

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“Limbic  UPerances”  

Different types of “limbic behaviour”

are associated with distinctive types of

vocalization

Rats, for example, make “pleasure calls” in the 22-kHz range and distress calls in the 50-kHz range

Similar vocalizations evident in young

children when they scream in excitement

or frustration

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TreaFng  “Limbic  UPerances”  as  if  they  were  RaFonal  

Take  the  case  of  the  youth  who  is  being  threatened  with  all  sorts  of  dire  consequences  should  he  refuse  to  do  or  accept  something  

Invariably,  this  elicits  the  all-­‐too-­‐familiar  response:  “I  don’t  care!”    

This  only  infuriates  us  more  

But  pause  and  listen  carefully  and  you’ll  noKce  that  his  voice  is  high-­‐pitched  and  strained,  the  speech  rhythms  harsh  and  percussive  

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“I  don’t  care!”  May  be  trying  to  convince  himself  

An  escape  

behaviour    

A  surge  of  anxiety  

A  sign  of  panic    

Most  likely,  a  combinaKon  of  all  of  the  above  

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Help:  I  don’t  Speak  Limbic!  

Put  it  all  together  and  what  you  have,  plain  and  simple,  is  the  human  adolescent  version  of  a  50-­‐kHz  distress  cry    

Far  from  being  an  intenKonal  act  of  defiance,  it  is  much  more  typically  a  sign  of  feeling  paralyzed  because  of  being  constrained  

Something  that,  if  consistently  ignored,  or  sKll  worse,  punished,  can  indeed  lead  to  an  externalizing  disorder  

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Triune  Brain  and  Mindlessness  •  Category-­‐error  of  applying  concepts  that  apply  to  the  PFC  to  what  are,  in  fact,  limbic  behaviours  

•  See  the  child’s  insKncKve  reacKons,  triggered  by  subcorKcal  arousal,  as  due  to  “weakness”  or  to  a  lack  of  appropriate  “teaching”  (i.e.,  condiKoning)  

•  Treat  child’s  uMerances  as  an  affront  rather  than  an  entreaty  •  Fail  to  recognize  that  the  reason  why  we  are  so  easily  upset  by  the  child’s  behaviour  is  due  to  limbic  resonance:  i.e.,  it  is  because  our  own  limbic  system  is  aroused  by  the  child’s  that  feelings  of  anger  or  frustraKon  are  instantly  triggered  or  more  intense  

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Need  to  do  Self-­‐Reg:  For  both  our  sakes  

Ra/onal  behaviour  is  made  possible  by  self-­‐regula/on,  not  self-­‐

control    

Whole  point  of  Triune  Brain  metaphor  is  to  recognize  neural  shihs  occur  in  which  very  

different  capaciFes  are  operaKve  

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The  HolisFc  Benefits  of  Self-­‐Reg  

Limbic  state  is  extremely  

expensive:  not  just  in  terms  of  energy  consumed,  but  in  terms  of  effect  on  reflecKve  thinking,  awareness  and  

social  relaKonships  

In  helping  a  child  manage  his  stress-­‐load  we  aren’t  just  helping  him  to  create  the  

condiKons  in  which  he  can  exercise  and  develop  his  raKonal  

capaciKes  

We  are  helping  him  to  learn  how  to  stay  healthy  and  resilient  and  recognize  when  he  is  approaching  a  limbic  state  that  is  costly  in  all  sorts  of  

ways  

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“MacLeanian”  Response  

Interplay  between  top-­‐down  and  boMom-­‐up  processes  

Limbic  system  can  have  as  great  an  impact  on  prefrontal  processes  –  i.e.,  overload  and  even  subvert  them  –  as  prefrontal  systems  can  have  on  the  limbic  system  (i.e.,  self-­‐regulaKon)  

What  is  operaKng  here  is  not  an  either/or  situaKon  but  more  of  a  teeter-­‐toMer  effect  

Each  system  has  its  own  strengths  and  weaknesses  

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The  “Teeter-­‐ToPer”  Effect  

Fundamental distinction between determining how one acts and rationalizing how one acts

Subject is only truly capable of determining how she acts when top-down processes are dominant

Swings towards rationalizing behaviour when the processing dynamic has shifted to bottom-up

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What  is  Missing  in  Triune  Brain  

Most  significant  element  missing  in  MacLean’s  argument:  The  Interbrain!    

Child doesn’t know when he has “gone limbic” and doesn’t know how to get out of that state

We guide these transitions until he can do so on his own, similar to the way that an instructor helps a student in driver’s ed

This is why it is so important to distinguish the different kinds of “triune behaviour” and know how to respond accordingly

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Triune  Brain  is  Dyadic  

Impossible  to  exercise  these  raKonal  responses  to  a  child’s  distress  if  we  have  gone  into  a  limbic  state  

Child’s  capacity  to  pause  and  reflect  hinges  on  our  own  ability  to  pause  and  reflect  

No  more  a  maMer  of  self-­‐control  in  us  than  in  child  

It  is  a  case  of  being  aware  of  the  stresses  and  knowing  how  to  miKgate  them    

No  bigger  stress  when  it  comes  to  raising  a  child  then  misreading  the  signs  of  limbic  behaviour  

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